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    We are already in a third war, this time against people, against the living and this pitiful war is against ourselves. It is this war that we must fight against, against our own thoughts, against the harmful information of the media, against the diabolical plan which consists of wanting to find solutions outside, the solutions are inside anord of ourselves...

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    https://x.com/squatsons/status/1724465102404157783



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    More And More Soldiers Refuse To Follow Orders Of The Ukrainian Command. Military Summary 2023.11.14



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    ❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kherson direction: narrowing of the fighting zone in the neighborhood of Krynky

    Russian troops are fighting in the vicinity of the village of Krynky, where the AFU assault units managed to enter and gain a foothold almost a month ago.

    Despite the fact that a couple of days ago the AFU managed to expand its zone of control in the wooded areas south of the settlement, the Russian fighters squeezed the Ukrainian formations out of the plantations.

    The AFU is trying to attack in the eastern direction and expand the bridgehead, but due to the constant strikes of the Russian Armed Forces on the enemy's concentration areas, such attempts are thwarted. However, the Russian troops are not yet able to clear the center of the village, although they are using rocket artillery and TOS-1.

    At the same time, Russian troops thwarted another attempt by the enemy to land sabotage and reconnaissance groups in the areas of the Antonovsky Bridge and the small railway bridge and prevented them from advancing towards Poima and Peschanivka.

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    Several resignations are being prepared in Ukraine - they are going to remove them from their posts:

    ▪️Commander of the North group of troops Sergei Naev;
    ▪️Commander of the Medical Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tatyana Ostashchenko;
    ▪️Commander of the operational-strategic group of troops “Tavria” Alexander Tarnavsky.

    This was reported by Ukrayinska Pravda sources. The resource notes that paramedics and volunteers who provide medical support to the Armed Forces of Ukraine insist on Ostashchenko’s dismissal. The publication’s sources do not report anything about the reasons for the probable dismissal of Tarnavsky and Naev.

    At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine called information from the Ukrainian media about preparations for the resignation of commanders as inconsistent with reality.

    Earlier, on the proposal of the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Umerov, Viktor Khorenko was unexpectedly dismissed from the post of head of the Special Operations Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The military man himself stated that he did not understand the reasons for his resignation.

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    🇺🇦 The head of Zelensky's office, Yermak, said that next year would be "decisive" in the Ukrainian conflict.

    During his visit to the US, Yermak also called for more sanctions against Russia and additional weapons systems for Kiev regime, Bloomberg has reported.

    Earlier, AFU commander-in-chief Zaluzhny admitted that the conflict in Ukraine had reached a stalemate and that Ukrainian troops would not be able to make a breakthrough on the front without new Western weapons.

    @ukraine_watch

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    'Difficult' Ukraine Conflict Likely To Drag On, Says Stoltenberg

    The NATO gen sec called on nations to help support Ukraine more as the situation on the battlefield is not going Kiev's way, and he worries that the conflict might become "entrenched."

    NATO is bored with that toy, Jens...

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    In Kharkov, Ukrainian mobilised men are being issued with old military uniforms and equipment, a military expert, retired LPR lieutenant-colonel Andrey Marochko, has said.

    💬 "At one of the "sorting" points in Kharkov, before being sent to the combat zone, newly recruited fighters are given second-hand uniforms of the 2nd and 3rd categories. The clothing is mostly unwearable, damaged and smelly. The same goes for the armour they are given," Marochko has stressed.

    According to the expert's own sources, senior officers offered the "disgruntled" servicemen to buy new uniforms at their own expense. Otherwise, they are threatened with disciplinary punishment and being sent to the assault troops.

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    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba Acknowledges Bleak State of EU Industry, Confirms Absence of Promised Munitions

    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba has publicly admitted the "sad" state of the industrial and warehouse capacities of European Union countries, confirming reports from Bloomberg that the promised one million ammunitions pledged by the EU will not be delivered to Kyiv by March 2024.

    Organizational Hurdles and "Pathetic" European Defense Industry Blamed

    Kuleba pointed to not only organizational and bureaucratic hurdles but also the genuinely "pathetic" condition of the European defense industry and the lack of stored munitions. He emphasized that the hindrance goes beyond logistical challenges, indicating a lack of political will and reluctance to provide arms to Kyiv free of charge, dismissing any clownish insinuations.

    Call for Swift Action and Warning of Pressure from Ukraine

    Expressing urgency, Kuleba urged Europe to promptly address the situation. He underscored that Ukraine would exert pressure on the EU to fulfill its commitments. While hinting at potential coercion, Kuleba emphasized the need for swift corrective action from the EU to rectify the situation.
    Source: Ostashko

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    EU's Ambitious Munitions Goal for Kyiv Deemed Unrealistic by German Defense Minister Pistorius

    Berlin

    In a stern assessment of the European Union's commitment to supply Kyiv with one million projectiles, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius declared the goal unattainable. Pistorius, during discussions with NATO Secretary-General Stoltenberg, bluntly admitted that the production capabilities of EU member states fall significantly short of meeting the proposed munitions quota.

    The Minister highlighted the foresight of those who had previously questioned the feasibility of such a massive commitment, asserting that a substantial acceleration of production is imperative to bridge the existing gap. Notably, Pistorius subtly suggested that Germany's production capabilities stand apart from the challenges faced by other EU nations.

    Previous Dispute: Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba Challenges Projectile Delivery Promise

    Adding to the complexity of the situation, Ukraine's Foreign Minister Kuleba had already contested the promised delivery of one million projectiles to the Kyiv regime. This dispute raises serious doubts about the EU's ability to fulfill its commitment and underscores the pressing need for a realistic evaluation of production capacities within the bloc.

    The unfolding scenario poses a critical test for the EU's strategic coordination, demanding a comprehensive reassessment of the union's commitment to support Kyiv amidst the ongoing conflict. As diplomatic exchanges continue, the EU faces the formidable task of reconciling ambitious promises with the practical limitations of member states.
    Source: Ostashko

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    French instructors accustom Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers to the “smell of death” by scattering animal corpses in the trenches

    As Politico writes, in this way France responded to Kiev’s request to prepare soldiers for the harsh conditions of battle “in a cold, noisy environment, deprived of sleep,” the publication claims.

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    ⚡️⚡️⚡️From the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated November 14, 2023.

    Yesterday's enemy losses were:
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    895 soldiers
    9 armored vehicles, including a Bradley infantry fighting vehicle
    12 artillery systems and MLRS
    16 units of special vehicles
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    Independent reporter in Donbass Pavel Kukushkin on the air of “IzolentaLive” about the situation in the Avdeevsky direction.

    “Our guys are moving forward, bypassing Avdeevka from the north. We entered Stepovoye and secured a foothold there. Serious battles are taking place in populated areas near the highway leading to Orlovka. It connects the Avdeevka group of Ukronazis with the “mainland”. We are systematically working to cut it. This will create a cauldron that will force them to either surrender or we will destroy them.”

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    Forbes keeps counting other people's money Russian missiles

    According to the publication, Russia has fired 3,081 missiles at Ukraine since the beginning of the Northern War, costing $22.8 billion.

    By October of this year, the intensity of shelling had decreased, the publication notes.

    (Russia appears to be saving up for something big &#128521

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    ⚡️⚡️⚡️Ukrainian soldiers, captured while trying to land on the left bank of the Dnieper, turned to their colleagues

    Captured Ukrainian servicemen from the 1st and 2nd companies of the 501st battalion of the 36th brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces appealed to their colleagues who remained in the trenches with an appeal not to die senselessly, to lay down their weapons and return home. In their appeal, they drew attention to the dignified attitude towards them on the part of Russian military personnel⚡️⚡️⚡️

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    Is the Financial Theft of the Ukraine War Over?
    by Dr. Joseph Mercola
    November 14, 2023
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1964870123

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    "STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    For years, Ukraine was recognized as one of the most, if not “the” most, corrupt nation in Europe.
    The country is now struggling to rein in corruption as that is becoming a key hurdle to obtain more financial support
    According to official aid trackers, the U.S. had sent $76.8 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as of the end of July 2023.
    The European Union contributed another $85.1 billion in that same timeframe.
    In mid-October 2023, Biden proposed yet another $105 billion foreign aid package, $61 billion of which will go to Ukraine
    According to U.S. officials, at least 70,000 of Ukraine’s 500,000 troops had been killed by mid-August 2023, and another 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.
    Another 9,614 Ukrainian civilians had also been killed as of September 10, 2023
    The supply of cannon fodder is running so low that Ukraine recently updated its conscription law to include women.
    Women between the ages of 18 and 60 with medical backgrounds must register for military service as of October 1, 2023
    Corruption may be a primary driver of this war.
    The American public being robbed and Ukraine drained of its youths while a relatively small number of corrupt individuals stuff their pockets with cash.
    American and European taxpayers are paying for the destruction of Ukraine and the elimination of huge numbers of its inhabitants, so that technocrat globalists and central bankers can then profit from the privatization and rebuilding of Ukraine into a “smart country” model for the rest of the world

    For years, Ukraine was recognized as one of the most, if not "the" most, corrupt nation in Europe. It held on to that reputation all the way up to the day Russia invaded in late February 2022, at which point media worldwide suddenly started rewriting history.

    As noted by Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, in a sober and clear-eyed article, published in April 2022:1

    "Statements from U.S. and other Western officials, as well as pervasive accounts in the news media, have created a stunningly misleading image of Ukraine. There has been a concerted effort to portray the country... as a plucky and noble bulwark of freedom and democracy ...

    The notion that Ukraine was such an appealing democratic model in Eastern Europe that the country’s mere existence terrified Putin ... is a myth ... Even before the war erupted, there were ugly examples of authoritarianism in Ukraine’s political governance ...

    The neo-Nazi Azov Battalion was an integral part of President Petro Poroshenko’s military and security apparatus, and it has retained that role during Zelensky’s presidency ...

    The country is not a symbol of freedom and liberal democracy, and the war is not an existential struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. At best, Ukraine is a corrupt, quasi‐democratic entity with troubling repressive policies.

    Given that sobering reality, calls for Americans to ‘stand with Ukraine’ are misplaced. Preserving Ukraine’s independence and territorial integrity most certainly are not worth the United States risking war with a nuclear-armed Russia."

    Indeed, while President Biden kept sending tens of billions of American taxpayer dollars to Ukraine in the name of "defending democracy," Zelensky banned all opposition parties in the country and blacklisted American politicians and journalists who questioned the U.S. involvement in the conflict.2 So much for democracy and democratic values.

    Is Ukraine Aid Part of a Money Laundering Scheme?
    According to the Panama Papers3,4 released in 2016, which have been described as "a giant leak of more than 11.5 million financial and legal records [which] exposes a system that enables crime, corruption and wrongdoing," Zelensky is likely just as corrupt as his predecessors, as he, his wife and several associates all own "hidden offshore assets."

    With that in mind, why is the U.S. sending billions of dollars to Ukraine without requiring any kind of accounting for where all this money is going? According to official aid trackers, the U.S. had sent $76.8 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as of the end of July 2023.5,6

    The European Union contributed another $85.1 billion in that same timeframe.7 And, in mid-October 2023, Biden proposed yet another $105 billion foreign aid package, $61 billion of which will go to Ukraine.8,9

    The lack of oversight combined with the lack of Ukrainian progress in the conflict and the refusal to enter into peace negotiations raises suspicions that these aid packages may simply be another money laundering scheme like we saw with FTX.10,11 At least $178 million sent to Ukraine through the now-defunct FTX crypto exchange may have been laundered back to the Democratic Party in the U.S.12

    Ukraine Still Rife With Corruption
    Lately, mainstream media have started to revisit the issue of corruption in Ukraine, probably because public perception of corruption may undermine the entire operation.

    For example, October 2, 2023, Politico reported receiving a "sensitive but unclassified" strategy paper in which Biden administration officials warn that "Perceptions of high-level corruption" could "undermine the Ukrainian public’s and foreign leaders’ confidence in the war-time government." According to Politico:13

    "The administration wants to press Ukraine to cut graft ... But being too loud about the issue could embolden opponents of U.S. aid to Ukraine, many of them Republican lawmakers who are trying to block such assistance. Any perception of weakened American support for Kyiv also could cause more European countries to think twice about their role.

    Ukrainian graft has long been a concern of U.S. officials ... But the topic was deemphasized in the wake of Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion ...

    More than a year into the full-scale war, U.S. officials are pressing the matter more in public and private. National security adviser Jake Sullivan, for instance, met in early September with a delegation from Ukrainian anti-corruption institutions.

    A second U.S. official familiar with the discussions confirmed to POLITICO reports that the Biden administration is talking to Ukrainian leaders about potentially conditioning future economic aid on ‘reforms to tackle corruption and make Ukraine a more attractive place for private investment.’"

    No such conditions have been proposed for military aid, however, which makes up the bulk of the money spent on Ukraine. Similarly, in mid-September 2023, Reuters reported14 that "billions of dollars of aid earmarked for Zelensky's government as well as ambitions to join the European Union ride on Ukraine proving that it is serious about fighting corruption and embracing good governance."

    Zelensky, for his part, has increasingly tried to portray himself as a staunch corruption fighter, firing more than a dozen senior officials on corruption charges in January 2023.

    In August he also fired all the heads of the draft offices across the country, after it became known that men were bribing their way out of military service by paying for medical exemptions.15 In September he also fired his minister of defense over allegations of corruption within the ministry. A Ukrainian Supreme Court justice was also arrested this past summer for taking bribes.16

    Yet, such mass firings and arrests of high-level individuals have done little to quell rumors and accusations that Zelensky still tolerates corruption within his inner circle,17 perhaps because it’s true. According to a top adviser to Zelensky, who spoke to a Time journalist off the record, "People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow."18

    An Expensive Unwinnable War
    In a September 2023 meeting with U.S. senators, Zelensky pleaded for more funds saying "You’re giving money. We’re giving our lives."19 Indeed, according to U.S. officials, at least 70,000 of Ukraine’s 500,000 troops had been killed by mid-August 2023, and another 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.20

    Another 9,614 Ukrainian civilians had also been killed as of September 10, 2023.21 So many Ukrainian youths have been thrown into the meat grinder that the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is now 43. Men up to the age of 60 face the risk of being drafted at any time.

    The supply of cannon fodder is running so low that Ukraine recently updated its conscription law to include women.22 Women between the ages of 18 and 60 with medical backgrounds, including doctors, nurses, midwives, dentists and pharmacists, must register for military service as of October 1, 2023.

    However, unlike their male counterparts, women are not barred from leaving the country unless they’re called in for active duty.23,24 Ukraine is also trying to get as many Ukrainians back from other countries as well. To that end, Norway recently announced it will pay EUR 1,500 in cash to any Ukrainian willing to go home.25

    Yet despite the enormous sums of money being poured into Ukraine, the weapons sent, the conscription of women and aged civilians, Ukraine is making no headway and have no conceivable way of winning. Even some of Zelensky’s closest aides are now saying he’s "deluding himself" thinking he can still somehow win.26

    NATO countries are running out of ammunition and warn of shortages,27 while Russia has ramped up its military hardware production more than tenfold.28 And, even if we continue to supply the weapons, Ukraine is running out of able-bodied fighters to use them.29

    Preplanned Post-War Profiteering
    In the final analysis, one wonders whether corruption might actually be a primary driver of this war. Is the American public being robbed and Ukraine drained of its youths while a relatively small number of corrupt individuals stuff their pockets with cash?

    It looks that way, especially in light of the news that BlackRock, which already owns most of the private assets in the world, is positioning itself to profit from a post-war Ukraine. As reported by Business Today in early May 2023:30

    "President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, recently met with the management team of BlackRock, the world's largest asset management company, to discuss the creation of an investment fund aimed at restoring the country's economy through public and private capital. Netzines have not taken well to the news with many criticizing Zelensky over the meeting.

    A Twitter user said, ‘Taxpayers pay the war bills, private firms get the profits.’ ‘Ukraine being privatized and sold off to companies like Blackrock,’ another said.

    According to the press service of the Office of the President, the parties discussed the details of the investment fund's creation and implementation of large-scale business projects in Ukraine."

    The U.S. is also keen on Ukraine privatizing its banks,31 which will open the door for central bankers to take over. And let’s not forget that the big picture plan for Ukraine’s post-war reconstruction is to turn the whole country into smart cities with "smart governments" run by artificial intelligence.32,33

    It’s also a testing ground for warfare-related AI technologies34,35 said to be "paving the way for AI warfare in the future,"36 although it doesn’t appear to provide them with much advantage at the moment.

    In short, it appears American and European taxpayers are paying for the destruction of Ukraine and the elimination of huge numbers of its inhabitants, so that technocrat globalists and central bankers can then profit from the privatization and rebuilding of Ukraine into a "smart country" model for the rest of the world."

    - Sources and References
    1 Cato April 6, 2022
    2 Fox News July 25, 2022
    3 ICJJ.org Panama Papers
    4 Panamapapers.org
    5, 7 Council on Foreign Relations September 21, 2023
    6 Kiel Institute for the World Economy Aid to Ukraine Tracker
    8, 15, 18, 19, 26 Time November 1, 2023
    9 ABC News October 18, 2023
    10 CNBC November 15, 2022
    11 YouTube, How FTX CEO $32 Billion Fraud
    12 Peace Liberty Prosperity Substack November 13, 2022
    13, 31 Politico October 2, 2023
    14, 17 Reuters September 19, 2023, Corruption accusations continue to plague top Zelenskiy aides
    16 BBC May 16, 2023
    20 New York Times August 18, 2023 (Archived)
    21 UN Human Rights Ukraine Civilian Casualty Update 11 September 2023
    22 Aljazeera October 6, 2023
    23 Visit Ukraine Military Registration for Women
    24 Kyiv Post September 8, 2023
    25 Visit Ukraine Norway Will Provide Money to Ukrainians Who Want to Return Home
    27 VOA News October 4, 2023
    28 Reuters September 19, 2023
    29 Insider October 27, 2023
    30 Business Today May 6, 2023
    32 Journal of Cleaner Production September 2023; 419: 138323
    33 KMU.gov.ua Draft Ukraine Recovery Plan July 2022
    34 Washington Post May 31, 2023
    35 US Embassy in Georgia July 26, 2023
    36 National Defense March 24, 2023
    Each breath a gift...
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    As conflicts go what we've certainly been witness to extraordinary footage, from all angles. This, near Artyomovsk, and Simplicius provided the following commentary:

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    Watch how real men storm and fight against equals, not embarrassing manchildren like IDF fighting women and toddlers.

    "The assault group of Ivanovo paratroopers captured the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the western flank of the Artemovsk direction

    After the cannon artillery strike, the fighters of the Ivanovo “Storm” unit began clearing the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ fortifications.

    During the assault, the paratroopers eliminated Ukrainian militants and were able to gain a foothold in their positions."
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    Russia is preparing for a long war.

    A new school course is being introduced in Russian schools: “Fundamentals of Security and Defense of the Motherland,” which involves studying the basics of combined arms combat and the use of UAVs, according to the draft document with the requirements for the subject. Putin signed the corresponding law.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    As conflicts go what we've certainly been witness to extraordinary footage, from all angles. This, near Artyomovsk, and Simplicius provided the following commentary:

    Text:
    Watch how real men storm and fight against equals, not embarrassing manchildren like IDF fighting women and toddlers.

    "The assault group of Ivanovo paratroopers captured the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the western flank of the Artemovsk direction

    After the cannon artillery strike, the fighters of the Ivanovo “Storm” unit began clearing the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ fortifications.

    During the assault, the paratroopers eliminated Ukrainian militants and were able to gain a foothold in their positions."
    I stopped in the middle and thought about it, reflecting a bit about us 'onlookers', then decided not to go on.
    I mean, seriously, friends ... What will become of us when we do this on a regular basis? Do we really need the newest scoop of slaughter as a movie?

    I have no good feelings or at least mixed feelings watching this. Especially the creators of the videos like this (there was a similar one posted here a few months ago) adding some tension background movie music as if it was a cinema flick. Please, this is real, not a Hollwood movie.

    Is this a form of new porn? War porn? Do we really need this. I know we want to stay in the know and all that, but is this necessary 'information'?

    Doesn't anyone else here feel this way?

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    As conflicts go what we've certainly been witness to extraordinary footage, from all angles. This, near Artyomovsk, and Simplicius provided the following commentary:
    I stopped in the middle and thought about it, reflecting a bit about us 'onlookers', then decided not to go on.
    I mean, seriously, friends ... What will become of us when we do this on a regular basis? Do we really need the newest scoop of slaughter as a movie?

    I have no good feelings or at least mixed feelings watching this. Especially the creators of the videos like this (there was a similar one posted here a few months ago) adding some tension background movie music as if it was a cinema flick. Please, this is real, not a Hollwood movie.

    Is this a form of new porn? War porn? Do we really need this. I know we want to stay in the know and all that, but is this necessary 'information'?

    Doesn't anyone else here feel this way?
    You ask some really good questions here - I really get it; I really do.

    The music dubs always leave me grating, they're so unnecessary, and don't really contribute anything meaningful except in amplifying the already macabre, and attendant tragic brutality.

    I do know that the only reason I choose to share these at all is so we don't become complacent: that the real horror and reality of war is so awful that we may always continue to strive to avoid it wherever possible. One of the ways to do this is of course through this kind of imagery, as impossibly very tough as it always is to watch
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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