Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[shaberon]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
This is quite interesting, in that Edwin Montagu (1879 – 1924), one of the first Jewish members of Parliament, labels Zionism as "anti-semitic", because it equates religion with nationalism and statehood, and because it seeks to remove Jews from the mainstream of society in most European nations.

Of course, nowadays, if you don't favor Zionism or show too much sympathy for the Palestinians, there are people who will try to label you as an "anti-Semite", even if you are Jewish.

Unfortunately, he was a bit late. Woodrow Wilson accepted Zionism into U. S. policy in 1917 just like he did the Federal Reserve. In England, among his other points, Montagu astutely remarks:



"...it may well be that the Government were practically committed when Lord Rothschild wrote and before I became a member of the Government, for there has obviously been some correspondence or conversation before this letter."


Yes, there had been NGO Zionist organizations for over twenty years that must have been working behind his back.

1917 = a type of officially published recognition by the US and UK, which was coordinated, but choreographed to appear separate.

If Zionist schemes evolved in certain English churches, and, Montagu is a Jew, perhaps that is why he was not aware of it.

Most Protestants either joined it or found themselves in a minority considering it a threat, i. e., they were aware of it.

In light of which he should be thanking Oliver Cromwell for this:

"We have obtained a far greater share of this country's goods and opportunities than we are numerically entitled to."


Most poignantly he is criticizing Rothschild's supremacist view of Britain and Jews.

Again, yes, it it had been an equitable thing, it probably would not have been a problem. I am not sure that Palestinians as a whole ever said no person can actually move here. Coming en masse with terrorism would be a different thing.


Concerning the Arab leaders, it seems likely they are confined by their own oligarchies, which probably have a lot of reliance on the U. S. and Israel. Lebanon is like that with France. Syria is different because it was more recently tied to Nazi Germany. Anywhere that a batch of people sit and nest up hoarding their wealth while nothing else matters should be considered an internal threat. That again is why it is pivotal to think of this in terms of Saudi--Israeli normalization being blocked.

Also why paramilitary organizations are the actors. The state militaries are mostly defanged by countries being influenced by "national interests" that are dealing with what would be enemies.

[shaberon]

Another odd consequence:

A container ship owned by an Israeli billionaire came under attack in the Indian Ocean, The Associated Press quoted an American defense official as saying on Saturday.

The defense official, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said the CMA CGM Symi, Malta-flagged vessel, was suspected to have been targeted by a triangle-shaped, bomb-carrying Shahed-136 drone while in international waters.

The drone exploded, causing damage to the ship but not injuring any of its crew.

“We continue to monitor the situation closely,” the official added as he declined to explain why the US military “believed Iran was behind the attack.”

CMA CGM, a major shipper based in Marseille, France, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. However, the vessel’s crew had been behaving as though they believed the ship faced a threat, AP added.

The ship had its Automatic Identification System tracker switched off since Tuesday when it left Dubai’s Jebel Ali port, according to data from MarineTraffic.com analyzed by the AP.

Ships are supposed to keep their AIS active for safety reasons, but crews will turn them off if it appears they might be targeted. It had done the same earlier when traveling through the Red Sea past Yemen.

Supposed to keep it on, like a transponder, but these cargo vessels routinely shut them off in the Red Sea.

Indian Ocean is a different story and that is a bit weird. You obviously won't affect a shipping vessel much with a small drone. Fifty of them might mess up the deck, but, a single one, unless it finds something sensitive, would do little but make a mess.

Blaming Iran is silly. Obviously, if they want to, they will hit something with a powerful projectile and explain it.

This qualifies as target practice, maybe?

Anything to raise the insurance cost and maintenance requirement, and possibly discourage the whole process, may irritate the billionaires who expect people to hand them this money.


Also from the wire:


Israeli media reports several explosions in Eilat


Along with some stuff still going on in West Bank and Galilee.


The whole thing is impossible, I am not going to use the ostrich head in sand image because I heard they don't really do that, but these do:

Israel's military intelligence knew of Hamas' plans to attack Israel a year before the conflict escalated and reported the information to the Israeli Security Agency, but decision-makers did not take the threat seriously, Israeli newspaper Haaretz has reported, citing defense ministry officials.

Israel's political leaders knew at least some of the intelligence data, but it appears they did not believe Hamas could proceed with the attack plan and breach the border, the officials were cited as saying by the newspaper.

On Friday, the Financial Times newspaper reported that a high-ranking Israeli military intelligence officer had called a detailed warning predicting a Hamas attack on October 7 an "imaginary scenario."

That, apparently, is how the women's brigade was treated on the day of.

None of that means Netanyahu, personally, had anything to do with it.

The first suspicion would be on military elements, which Hamas says were cooperating.

Secondarily would be a political will to ignore it.

However the political momentum was in a Saudi rapprochement, and again the explanation is that it is specifically this which is being attacked. Seems to have been successful, but, the Saudis do not become overnight enemies, even if they control the major pilgrimage sites of Islam, they must have a lot of rich people who are neck deep in American, British, European affiliated business they would rather keep.

Everything about China is really only the future, they do not have enough interest around the Gulf to simply replace the westerners today.

In the short term future I suppose everyone will listen to Israel promise to resume attacks immediately after concluding the deal, and no one will do anything.

[Rizotto]

Sorry if this is a repeat. Just want to ensure everyone catches this important presentation by professor Jeffrey Sachs at the UNSC. Professor Sachs gives an overview of the causes of the current wars, and suggest solutions, one is to simply cut off weaponry funding.

"On November 20, 2023, The UN Security Council held an open debate on "Promote sustaining peace through common development" under the agenda item "Maintenance of international peace and security." SDSN President Jeffrey Sachs was invited to brief the Security Council."

Jeffrey Sachs Testimony at the UN Security Council Meeting - November 20, 2023

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wm4qLWc_Co0

Edited to add:
Not sure why the above video is marked as unavailable. The link should work though. Admins, please advise. Thanks.

From Bill:
It simply means that it can't be played as an embedded video here.
(But yes, the link still works fine)

[Rizotto]

Quote: "#FreePalestine hashtag has 25.5 billion views, #StandWithIsrael has 440.4 millions views"

Is Israel losing the social media war?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O48XUHCzd_s

[Vicus]

The Evidence Israel Killed Its Own Citizens on 7 October
Asa Winstanley
The Electronic Intifada
Thu, 23 Nov 2023


An Israeli veteran has admitted his forces may have killed Israelis.

A retired Israeli army major has admitted Israel probably killed some of the 1,200 Israelis the government claims Hamas murdered on 7 October.

The confession, discovered by The Electronic Intifada, is one of the highest level confirmations to date that Israel killed many, if not most, of the civilians that died during the Palestinian offensive.

On Saturday, it was revealed that an official Israel source had concluded for the first time that Israeli fire hit at least some Israelis.

This growing body of evidence undermines the official Israeli narrative of savage Palestinian terrorists invading Israel bent on slaughtering civilians. Hamas maintains that its targets were military and that it did not intentionally kill civilians.

The Israeli officer's admission came in a series of videos about 7 October posted by Legacy Conversations, an obscure YouTube channel run by military and police veterans of South Africa's apartheid regime.

Their star guest is a South African-born man who settled in Israel aged 18 and spent 29 years in the army. He took part in the 2006 invasion of Lebanon and the 2014 invasion of Gaza.

The veteran is named as "Major Graeme," using the apparent pseudonyms "Graeme Ipp" and "Graeme I."

In a video posted only one week after 7 October, Major Graeme said that Israeli detainees in Palestinian custody were "possibly killed by Israeli airstrikes when the Israeli Air Force attacked vehicles that were returning into Gaza."

Speaking almost two weeks before the start of Israel's wider ground incursion into northern Gaza, Major Graeme explained that after the airstrikes "there was some bodies there that the special forces went and collected."

This demand follows growing concern from the families of the #hostages and missing persons that burials are being hastened for religious reasons - without exhausting all identification measures.

https://www.sott.net/article/486311-...s-on-7-October

[Gwin Ru]

...

... Scott describing the dumb to dumber Israeli "Intelligence":

Scott Ritter: Israeli intelligence is killing IDF by collecting too much information in Gaza 32:28

Nov 26, 2023

JVC GAMING PRO

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DXko5dDhcWM

[ExomatrixTV]

• Israeli Children Sing Of Gaza Annihilation In HUGE Public Relations Epic Fail!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=67KXRi4gCSw

[shaberon]

Seems fairly quiet even around Lebanon, and now this off the wire:


Associated Press: The “Central Park” oil tanker, owned by Israeli businessman Eyal Ofer, was seized near the coast of Aden


No big surprise. Again, the key being that it is too far away for Israel to respond if it would.

[Kryztian]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• Israeli Children Sing Of Gaza Annihilation In HUGE Public Relations Epic Fail!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=67KXRi4gCSw

This is unbelievably disgusting! My mother grew up in Nazi Germany and was in the Hitler youth and the children were never taught to exult in genocide or sing songs about the destruction of a people, but this is exactly what you have here in Israel, children singing "In a year we will annihilate everyone."

Any humane civilization teaches it's children to value and respect life, including the lives of other people. Yet here we have a video produced by a culture that embraces genocide and sees as a value fit for it's children to joyfully sing about.

Ironically, at the beginning of the video, the song refers to the people of Gaza as "the swastika bearers". But the most horrific irony comes at the end of this video when name of the song is mentioned: "The Friendship Song".

Meanwhile, the German government is criminalizing anyone who dares to attribute genocide as a value of Zionism. Perhaps they should also criminalize those who dare to say the sky is blue.

[Agape]

Hmm yes I have got this feel, this message while ago ..refrained from posting that perhaps the same ( or opposing ) Space Force got involved here with us this time fiercely .

If we fail to protect the “other people” and their rights they will be annihilated .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qSIRK3MtIQ4

Israel has about consumed most of its religion converted it to digital code and currency read information. Israel the prodigious son got little angry and bored of the normies.
I have great feel for Israel ( but it does not help a lot).

All efforts to offer Israel some form of therapy failed, in current era.

Israel is not humble Colombia, not even Russia or the US who face international responsibility for their actions.

Under the law against anti-semitism Israel can’t be punished by any sanctions or controversies really because The Kid Israel is holy.

I can see how it all ends one day ..

But it depends on us and Israel how do we get around it after all.


Peace and respect

🙏💫

[Agape]

I think the world is appalled if not desensitized , we are watching in tears the release of hundreds of hostages who were taken care off
after some 14500 people well killed in Gaza and more are missing.

I beg both sides should step back now and lay down weapons.

[shaberon]

A few more details on Boarded II:

A tanker linked to an Israel-affiliated company has been boarded off the coast of Yemen, the maritime security firm Ambrey said on November 26.

Ambrey said that “United States naval forces are engaged in the situation” after the incident involving the Liberian-flagged Central Park tanker owned and managed by the United Kingdom-based Zodiac Maritime, which ultimately belongs to Israeli businessman Eyal Ofer.

The Houthis (Ansar Allah) had previously threatened to attack the tanker if it did not divert to the Yemeni Red Sea port of al-Hudaydah, Ambrey said.

It added that communications from a U.S. coalition warship had been intercepted warning the Central Park to disregard the messages.

The boarding took place offshore from the Yemeni port city of Aden, Ambrey said, adding that another vessel in the area reported “an approach by eight persons on two skiffs wearing military uniforms”.

As to things they can reach:

A series of strikes hit Damascus International Airport on November 26, knocking it out of service just a day after its resumed operations.

Israel was behind the strikes, according to the Syrian Al-Watan newspaper, which said that all flights destined to Damascus were rescheduled to airports in Lattakia and Aleppo. There was no imminent comment from the Syrian Ministry of Defense.

Meanwhile, Syrian activists said that air defenses deployed at Mezzeh Military Airport in the southwestern outskirts of Damascus were struck just a few minutes earlier. Photos from the scene showed the aftermath of a large blast at the military airport.

There were also reports of Syrian air defenses firing at targets over Damascus and nearby areas more than half an hour after the attack.

Just a day earlier, Damascus International Airport resumed operation following a long pause forced by Israeli strikes that took place on October 22. Two civilian workers were killed back then. No casualties were however reported after the latest attack.

Something hit, but, they got rid of the rest of it:

A military source said in a statement to SANA that, “At approximately 4:50 on Sunday afternoon, the Zionist enemy carried out an air aggression with missiles from the direction of the occupied Syrian Golan, targeting Damascus International Airport and some points in Damascus countryside.”.

The source pointed out that the air defense forces responded to the enemy missiles and destroyed most of them.”

The source added that the aggression caused Damascus International Airport being out of service and some material losses.

Always the same, Israeli planes do not have to penetrate Syria as Damascus is rather close to Israel. So it is relatively easy for them to take practically free shots. Syria has reasonable, but not 100% means of interception. They don't foreseeably want to heat the conflict. It is like the Iranian rhetoric; if these countries were going to "do something", it was probably 10-20 years down the road, which again makes it strongly look as though Hamas acted under its own initiative. Ran out of patience.

[Rizotto]

Until I read the article below, I had no idea there were UN peacekeeping forces in southern Lebanon. Why aren't there any in Gaza and the West Bank...

https://www.rt.com/news/587990-un-pe...tacked-israel/

Israel attacked peacekeeper patrol – UN
The incident occurred in southern Lebanon during a period of “relative calm”

The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon has accused the Israeli military of attacking a peacekeeping patrol on Saturday, during a temporary truce between Israel and Hamas.

The incident allegedly occurred at around midday, near the Lebanese village of Aytaroun, on the border with Israel and 125 kilometers from the Lebanese capital, Beirut. According to UNIFIL, it was “during a period of relative calm along the Blue Line.”

“Today at around 12 pm, a UNIFIL patrol was hit by IDF gunfire in the vicinity of Aytaroun, in southern Lebanon,” the UN peacekeepers said in a statement on their X (formerly Twitter) page, adding that no peacekeepers were injured, but the shelling caused damage to their vehicle.

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in October, the Israel-Lebanon border has seen frequent exchanges of fire, mainly between the IDF and the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. According to AFP news agency, the cross-border fire has killed 109 people in Lebanon, including 77 Hezbollah fighters and 14 civilians, three of whom were journalists.

Last month UNIFIL, which was created by the UN Security Council in 1978 to observe Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon, said that one of its members was injured in an artillery strike on the mission’s base near the village of Houla on the border.
Following the announcement of the four-day Gaza truce on Friday, Hezbollah said it would adhere to the terms of the ceasefire if Israel did, according to a Hezbollah source cited by Al Jazeera.

The UN peacekeeping mission strongly condemned Saturday's attack, calling it “deeply troubling” and urging all sides in the conflict to “safeguard peacekeepers.” UNIFIL warned on Friday that further escalation in southern Lebanon could result in “devastating consequences,” and urged all sides to “halt this cycle of violence.”

Israel has not yet commented on the incident. Previously, the IDF stated that it was striking targets belonging to Hezbollah in response to rockets fired into northern Israel.

[Rizotto]

Mainstream media is mostly silent about these Isreali attacks against Palestinian civilians.
Let’s call it what it is: TERRORISM.

Israeli settlers steal Palestinian farmers’ land in occupied West Bank
26 November 2023

Emboldened by curfews and raids on Palestinians, illegal settlers have stepped up violence and property theft.
Farmers in the occupied West Bank face near-daily incursions and violence from Israeli settlers, to the point that they live in fear of having their homes and land stolen, they say.

Added to that is the violence they witness in nearby urban areas, like Jenin city and refugee camp that the Israeli army stepped up raids on, killing 10 people and wounding 20 in just one week.
(continued)
Full article at this link:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...pied-west-bank

Israeli forces carry out deadly raids in the West Bank amid Gaza truce
26 November 2023
Five Palestinians were shot dead in Jenin, while three others were killed elsewhere in the occupied West Bank on Sunday.

Israeli forces have killed eight Palestinians, including a child, in the occupied West Bank, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, taking the total number of Palestinians killed in the West Bank to 239 since October 7.

Israeli forces shot dead five Palestinians in the city of Jenin late on Saturday and early Sunday, and killed three others elsewhere in the West Bank, the ministry said on Sunday. Six other Palestinians were injured in the Israeli raid in Jenin.
(continued)
Full article at this link:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...mid-gaza-truce

[Rizotto]

"Human Rights lawyer Noura Erakat reveals what we know really happened on October 7 which we're not allowed to say. "

00:00:00 irresponsibly linking October 7 to Holocaust
00:01:20 what ACTUALLY happened on October 7
00:02:06 the bodies found
00:02:23 why we're not allowed to discuss what really happened
00:03:00 what is Hamas and why were they formed?
00:04:40 Hamas' charter
00:04:50 Hamas NOT Isis
00:06:50 Hamas is Israel's partner
00:07:53 why won't Israel negotiate?
00:09:30 why Netanyahu needs to extend genocide to save political life
00:10:00 "unique opportunity" for Israel
00:10:50 how could people be shocked by October 7?
00:12:00 colonialism is violence and breeds violence
00:12:30 apartheid consensus
00:13:51 Palestinian fractures
00:15:30 The Dahiya doctrine
00:16:40 Biden's 40 baby lie
00:17:05 Biden is being politically self-destructive

What REALLY Happened On October 7? With Noura Erakat - Katie Halper interview

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yBUdjI3rAUg

[Tintin]

Recommended by the folks at 21st Century Wire here as a part of their "Sunday Screening" series,
‘Visit Palestine’ (2005).

Here's how they describe the film:

Our weekly documentary film curated by the editorial team at 21WIRE

Activist Caiomhe Butterly’s definitive journey into the dire human rights situation in Palestinian refugee camps. Working as a human shield to protect Palestinians, she experiences the plight of the native population there at first hand. What prompts a young, well-educated Westerner to risk life and limb as a peace activist in the Middle East? With her striking red hair and bright lipstick, Caiomhe defies initial expectations of the ‘typical’ activist. Motivated by idealism, she blocks bullets with her body and ignores threats to her own safety to alleviate the suffering that surrounds. Her story provides a rare insight into the everyday lives of Palestinians, moving beyond usual depictions of one-dimensional heroes or victims. During a siege of Jenin, her luck finally runs out and she is shot and wounded. With its harrowing frontline footage and intimate character portraits, this is surely one of the most powerful films to come out of Palestine in recent years.

Run time: 1 hr 17 min
Directed and Produced by Katie Barlow
Narrated by Caiomhe Butterly
Production: Journeyman Pictures (2005)

[Bill Ryan]

Another fascinating 30 minute interview with Alastair Crooke, just published. In my opinion, Crooke has deeper experience and knowledge of all the surrounding factors on this situation than anyone else I'm aware of, even including Scott Ritter and Douglas Macgregor. (The briefest summary: Israel is in greater danger than anyone is currently presenting in the western media.)

Is Israel Losing the War?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1DdbxjHyL8

[Arcturian108]

Video of Elon Musk touring Gaza with Netanyahu and Israeli military:
https://twitter.com/theurigeller/status/1729112804190560688

[Vicus]

Israel, Elon Musk Agree on Starlink Operation in Gaza 7 hours ago

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Israeli Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi announced on Monday that he had reached a preliminary agreement with US billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk to deploy Starlink satellite communication services in the Gaza Strip.

In late October, Musk said that his company SpaceX, which operates Starlink, would support communications with internationally recognized aid groups in Gaza amid a telephone and internet blackout in the enclave.

"As a result of this significant agreement, Starlink satellite units can only be operated in Israel with the approval of the Israeli Ministry of Communications, including the Gaza Strip," the minister wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.

He also welcomed Musk's visit to Israel and expressed hope that the billionaire would strengthen his "relationship with the Jewish people and [their] values."
On Sunday, The Times of Israel reported that Israeli President Isaac Herzog would meet with Musk on Monday.
Earlier in the month, Palestinian Authority Communications Minister Ishaq Sadr told Sputnik that Musk had not provided satellite network services to Gaza because of threats from Israel.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20231127/is...115229234.html

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

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My mother grew up in Nazi Germany and was in the Hitler youth and the children were never taught to exult in genocide or sing songs about the destruction of a people,

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Thank you Kriztian. I share your indignation ...and stronger feelings.

Yet – just singling out the above point in your post... For sure, the Nazis did not inspire the Germans or the HJ to sing about the extermination of Jewish people (although that was “in the works”)... but I am practically certain that they were taught to at least despise, and probably even hate, their Jewish fellow citizens. That definitely was part of the propaganda.

The Zionist insanity however goes beyond that: those who were probably also despised and hated (in songs as well?) are now being served the “final solution”. Mr Netanyahu and friends had their Wannsee-Konferenz some time ago (a guess: a week before Netanyahu’s UN speech).

Anti-Jewish racist “incidents” are currently happening in Europe. I caution my Jewish acquaintances that at the latest now is the time to clearly distantiate themselves from Zionism. This advice, or that distanciation, is not antisemitism or condoning antisemitism. It is Semitophilia. The antisemites are those who reserve white phosphorus and more for the Palestinians, who are of course Semites “in the first place”.