Nibiru: What Sitchin did not tell us

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Anyone, and I mean any competent Sumerian translator who knows proto-Sumerian symbol languages would recognize them instantly as belonging to that group. Yes, there are only about 70 in the world now that are competent in those symbols, but all 70 (except myself) are in positions of authority at Universities or working for the NSA. So, it is intention that they are throwing us in the wrong direction.

Where there is truth there is interference from those attempting to crush it or hide it. It's likely coming from the very same regressive source that's dogged humanity (and the truth) for millennia. I extend my highest admiration and respect to you Jim for carrying out this noble work despite the interference coming from the Secrecy Industrial Complex, which is embedded it seems in every conceivable sphere of human activity. The truth must out; it is a force of nature and it must vent somewhere. This forum is truly one of the few remaining outlets where that may take place. Long may it remain!

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
I believe that outsiders did indeed cause this loss, and further that they knew about, or steered, a comet or other body that resulted in the lowering of mankind's intelligence over the millennium.

Yes the comet, as discussed in this thread. That may indeed tie into this time-frame. If I recall correctly (from somewhere), there is mention, or perhaps myth, of a comet or meteor dropping in the Indian Ocean, slated to have occurred around 7-8000BC. While it doesn't exactly correlate with the third Atlantean destruction, or indeed the Noah myth (or does it?), intriguing riddles remain in various ancient oral histories. One is the Hopi, as written in the Book of the Hopi, that records that the "third world (which could match Cayce's third destruction of Atlantis) was one of "great flourishing cities, and where there were flying boats called 'patuvota' in which people could travel in, and were used in wars." But the people became evil and warlike and their world was destroyed. "Waves higher than mountains rolled in on the land and continents broke asunder and sank beneath the seas." One wonders if these were tsunamis caused by an ocean impact of an object from space.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
In fact we know that the Neanderthal had 1900 CC brains, the Boskop man in South Africa 2100 CC, and when we first started out as Cro-Magnons we had 1650 - but we are now down below 1300, (and even lower for some groups).

Cayce mentions many times the "things" or "automatons" employed by the Atlanteans for slave labour. Some were formulated (engineered) by the Atlanteans themselves and were very bizarre, having both human and animal traits. These may have given rise to our ancient myths of strange creatures like the cyclops, mermaid, or minotaur. But there were also other creatures of a more human kind, but were treated and regarded as savages: a sort of sub-human that had scarcely any human rights. I've often wondered if these sub-human "automatons" could be classified, actually, as proto-hominids, i.e. what we call Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal. I think there's a very good chance these were what the Atlanteans were using as slaves.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Anyone, and I mean any competent Sumerian translator who knows proto-Sumerian symbol languages would recognize them instantly as belonging to that group. Yes, there are only about 70 in the world now that are competent in those symbols, but all 70 (except myself) are in positions of authority at Universities or working for the NSA. So, it is intention that they are throwing us in the wrong direction.

Where there is truth there is interference from those attempting to crush it or hide it. It's likely coming from the very same regressive source that's dogged humanity (and the truth) for millennia. I extend my highest admiration and respect to you Jim for carrying out this noble work despite the interference coming from the Secrecy Industrial Complex, which is embedded it seems in every conceivable sphere of human activity. The truth must out; it is a force of nature and it must vent somewhere. This forum is truly one of the few remaining outlets where that may take place. Long may it remain!

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
I believe that outsiders did indeed cause this loss, and further that they knew about, or steered, a comet or other body that resulted in the lowering of mankind's intelligence over the millennium.

Yes the comet, as discussed in this thread. That may indeed tie into this time-frame. If I recall correctly (from somewhere), there is mention, or perhaps myth, of a comet or meteor dropping in the Indian Ocean, slated to have occurred around 7-8000BC. While it doesn't exactly correlate with the third Atlantean destruction, or indeed the Noah myth (or does it?), intriguing riddles remain in various ancient oral histories. One is the Hopi, as written in the Book of the Hopi, that records that the "third world (which could match Cayce's third destruction of Atlantis) was one of "great flourishing cities, and where there were flying boats called 'patuvota' in which people could travel in, and were used in wars." But the people became evil and warlike and their world was destroyed. "Waves higher than mountains rolled in on the land and continents broke asunder and sank beneath the seas." One wonders if these were tsunamis caused by an ocean impact of an object from space.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
In fact we know that the Neanderthal had 1900 CC brains, the Boskop man in South Africa 2100 CC, and when we first started out as Cro-Magnons we had 1650 - but we are now down below 1300, (and even lower for some groups).

Cayce mentions many times the "things" or "automatons" employed by the Atlanteans for slave labour. Some were formulated (engineered) by the Atlanteans themselves and were very bizarre, having both human and animal traits. These may have given rise to our ancient myths of strange creatures like the cyclops, mermaid, or minotaur. But there were also other creatures of a more human kind, but were treated and regarded as savages: a sort of sub-human that had scarcely any human rights. I've often wondered if these sub-human "automatons" could be classified, actually, as proto-hominids, i.e. what we call Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal. I think there's a very good chance these were what the Atlanteans were using as slaves.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm a victim (actually an inheritor and proud of it) of my background. I was born poor in Florida, educated in public schools, and thus had no chance to attend the Ivy leagues of the rich. In fact, we moved so often - changed schools every year or so, that I had no chance to develop roots until much later. I thus rejected it entirely and went my own way - and never a day has passed that I am not glad that I chose that route.

I wonder if Atlantean is truly a code word for advanced human beings or if they would have been considered as sky gods if presented to the Sumerians and Hebrews? When I read reports like those from Cayce, my mind tries to automatically tie all of the connections and solve any of the puzzles extant. Which leads me into a sort of rabbit-hole of lost time, caused by my own focus. So I have to admit that I have never read Cayce, although I admire what I have heard of his work - mostly what I have heard on Dark Journalist episodes. For the same reason I have not studied Nostradamus.

I do, however, believe that Plato was speaking of the hills near Panama - on the Atlantic side, pre-canal, since they would make a much better Pillars of Hercules as they grant entry into the Pacific, or the land of Lemuria. And I have a reason for that idea:

In the reports of the second or third voyage of Columbus, written by one of his sons, there is mention of them rounding the coast of modern Panama. And they report a large city near the beach - seen from their boat - all in white, with tall spires and obvious signs of high civilization - but they don't mention people. This has been scrubbed from history, but still exists in those reports, and none have ever found it, or at least not to our knowledge. Today that area is absent roads and exists as a haven for drug operators and thieves - you might very well not come back if you try to walk through there. Those passing from South America to the States sometimes go through there - but then again the coyotes that direct them are from the same group, so they apparently get a pass. How do you disappear a city, even an ancient one?

But a White City, near Pillars, might point to what Cayce was speaking of.

[Jim_Duyer]

UPDATE on the writings from Egypt that were not proto-Canaanite. Well, interesting.
I finished the second writing carved into stone. As background, when the Sumerians speak of "mixed" they indicate (determined by repetitions and the theme) one of mixed human and sky-god blood. Not in a test tube, but certainly not willingly. Think of the Watchers who came down and took wives of whoever they wished.
This one, written 1500 years before Abraham, is by a Cain tribal member living in southern Egypt - the seat of power at that time of 3500 BC. This equates to perhaps Enoch, or between Noah and Abraham by the biblical calendars.

Here's what it says:
In older days, a young man arrived by ship. He was one of the principal ( sons/offspring/descendants) of ENLIL.
A descendant of Enlil , son of Ninurta (who was himself a son of Enlil and the agriculture god). but yoked to Enlil the bull.
A mixed offspring with forethought and understanding, and he arrived with authority (or power granted to him).

Notice that he was mixed, much like Gilgamesh, and that he came with knowledge and authority to do .... something.

So here we have the offspring of Enlil and company, mixed pre-Hebrews, in Egypt, prior to most of the Pharaohs.
Apparently they did not just persecute the Sumerians and early Hebrews but the Egyptians as well.

So, who made the pyramids? Under whose direction? We have a sky god there at the time when many of the monuments were made in Egypt.

But probably not all of them since, from my own research I believe the Sphinx to be 11,000 years old or more.

We know he was from one of the Amorite tribes that lived in Elam, Iran, near the border with Iraq, that he was from the lineage of Adam through Cain (all of this from the first message on stone that I translated) and now we have written evidence that a tribal member of what would much later become the Hebrews, had the art of writing, lived in Egypt, and all of this in 3500 BC. So we don't have to rely upon handing down oral history any longer, when we have proof that they wrote very early on.

[Mark]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
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Thanks for commenting. The false flag will probably be run as the Anti-Christ, with an association to Satan, but the actual returner was known by many names through history, the first was Enlil, then Marduk, then Baal or Bel, then perhaps Yah. We have relations of these same groups living among us now. We generally call them Sir. Or Mam.

That makes perfect sense, given where we are at right now. Do you recognize the difference between YHWH and Yahweh? I wonder because you say "perhaps" when you mention "Yah". What are your thoughts on the gnostic connection to Yldeberoth? Which is also connected to some of those names that you mention above? Thank you for your time and for being present to these questions.

I totally get you shutting down your real communications on other forums and just commenting here. I'm not here all the time but I come back regularly because this space is the ONLY one where you can get consistent, informed commentary and discussion on topics of interest to the world, but of particular import to those of us who have been conducting real, immerse experimentation and research for decades.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Mark (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
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Thanks for commenting. The false flag will probably be run as the Anti-Christ, with an association to Satan, but the actual returner was known by many names through history, the first was Enlil, then Marduk, then Baal or Bel, then perhaps Yah. We have relations of these same groups living among us now. We generally call them Sir. Or Mam.

That makes perfect sense, given where we are at right now. Do you recognize the difference between YHWH and Yahweh? I wonder because you say "perhaps" when you mention "Yah". What are your thoughts on the gnostic connection to Yldeberoth? Which is also connected to some of those names that you mention above? Thank you for your time and for being present to these questions.

I totally get you shutting down your real communications on other forums and just commenting here. I'm not here all the time but I come back regularly because this space is the ONLY one where you can get consistent, informed commentary and discussion on topics of interest to the world, but of particular import to those of us who have been conducting real, immerse experimentation and research for decades.

You know I was just looking at your comment and for the first time noticed San Marcos. I used to own some land in Canyon Lake, not far from there. Before coming to Costa Rica I lived in San Antonio for a few years. Small World.

I use Yah to avoid offending Christians. I mean Yahweh YHWY, the "I will be what I will be".

I think the Gnostics have a great amount of correct information. Here's an example from me that ties to them as well. They hated Yahweh, that much is clear. They called him a few things.
Read the NT. The part where Jesus is asked to tell which commandment are important. He names six of the ten originals and then adds one new one. Yes, it's in the book, in two of the books actually. (Mark 10: 17-20).

Here are those six, with the ones left out bracketed.
Items omitted by Jesus are bracketed:
[Thou shalt have no other gods before me]
[Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image...]
[Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy god in vain...]
[Observe the Sabbath Day,to keep i tholy...]
Honor thy father and thy mother . . .
Thou shalt not kill
Neither shalt thou commit adultery
Neither shalt thou steal
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor
[Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s wife
...]

And what are the four that he leaves out? The ones with the name Yahweh/Jehovah in them.

In fact he only later mentions the Father part when he makes it clear that "his father is not their father". (Your Father [Yahweh) is not my Father [El]).

Your Father was a liar and a murderer from the beginning (only Cain fits the murderer and liar from the beginning). So he is telling us that Yahweh and Cain are the group that the Jews of his day followed - and we know that the Kenites (Cainites) of Jethro married into the family of Moses, and many scholars will tell you that they introduced Yahweh to Moses - as he says himself "I was not known as Yahweh to Abraham and Noah etc, but rather as El Shaddai" El is the creator God, Father of Jesus, and Shaddai means two mounds, and refers to a city in modern Syria where the tribes of Cain were in control.

There are two main groups of tribes of Amorites, or pre-Hebrews and Hebrews. One is the right-hand, righteous, southern tribes of the Bene Yaminites, related to Job and Enosh and perhaps Abraham, and the left-hand, evil, northern tribes of the border region between Iran and iraq originally, and closely associated with the Elamites. These were called the Simalites. All of these names can be pulled up in wakipedia.

The right-hand wrote the first portions of the Bible. We know that because Job wrote a good deal of it and his book is the earliest written based on language used and many other factors. They lost out to the more powerful left-hand group sometime after Abraham left Egypt.

Moses, of the evil ones, met Yahweh through his relatives the Cainites, and together they went on a spree to take the lands and the slaughter began. But what most won't or don't tell you is that they also became the scribes and insiders of the Temple. They were the ones that Jesus threw out and who he had to contend with, and who eventually killed him.
They also went back in and wrote additional portions of the Bible. They could not start fresh since so many copies existed, so they simply added. That's why we have two creations, two flood stories, each similar but different. And there are other parts as well.

BUT, they did not know that Job and his group, trained by the descendants of Enosh in Eden, had a method of hiding their version inside of the text. So they wrote very interesting verses that were sure to be kept safe, and meanwhile hid the truth inside of it.

Such things as Cain was a female. Able got her pregnant. Cain abandoned her daughter, who was raised by Enosh, the grandson of Adam (not Enock) to become an expert in what they call the mystery work.

That's what I have translated. And a great, great deal more - some three or four hundred pages with over a thousand translations to date. That's why it is taking me so long. But it is done - just arranging into chapters, doing my normal, nervous rewrites, and hoping to get it out ASAP.

But the God of Job, surprise surprise, is kind. He taught the people in Eden (there were two full tribes) how to write, and other things. In other words, the idea of a tree of knowledge of good and evil was written by the Cain group.
And he cared for them, and when he had to throw out both groups dues to the scandal of Cain and Able, and his hopes that it would not repeat, he guided the Job group to their new homes in the bend area of Syria, after the flood (which merely washed them down river, and they were able to save their goods in wooden coffin-like boxes, after God warned them it was coming.
This, this, is the God that has been hidden from us.

The one that murders, tells us to kill women and children, claims he is a jealous god, an angry god, etc. is Yahweh and
not El, the God of Enosh, Job, Abraham, Melchezidek and Jesus.
So they got some of it right (Gnostics).

Of course people have been killed for this knowledge, historically, and kept from spreading it (today).

And if that is not more than you ever wished to know, I have a question ... Think it will be an interesting book?

[Ernie Nemeth]

For me, this topic has given rise to my idea of little gods, the above entry emphasizes it.

These are all little gods.

Not God at all.

[Lunesoleil]

Don't know if shared in the forum. For François Brousse, author of numerous books, caught my attention with this thought. He said that in each comet there was a planet that would be discovered.
Niribu would have been attributed to many other names and why not all these discovered and hidden planets?
Imagine if we had found other planets, astrologers would eagerly use them in their prediction.

In 2012, we were talking about Niribu, Planet X, then named Némesis and history repeats itself... take the information back to the beginning...

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
For me, this topic has given rise to my idea of little gods, the above entry emphasizes it.

These are all little gods.

Not God at all.

Well, I can certainly understand your point. I still believe in the original sayings of Jesus and by that I mean what was attributed to the original Matthew, Mark, Luke and John writings. But that's just me, personally.

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Posted by Lunesoleil (here)
Don't know if shared in the forum. For François Brousse, author of numerous books, caught my attention with this thought. He said that in each comet there was a planet that would be discovered.
Niribu would have been attributed to many other names and why not all these discovered and hidden planets?
Imagine if we had found other planets, astrologers would eagerly use them in their prediction.

In 2012, we were talking about Niribu, Planet X, then named Némesis and history repeats itself... take the information back to the beginning...

Seems like another possibility to me. Although I go with Nibiru itself being an indication of Enlil, there could be some connection between comets and planets that we are not aware of yet. Thanks for your comment.

[The Moss Trooper]

Posted by Mark (here)

Posted by The Moss Trooper (here)
Maybe the effects that precede Marduk's arrival, like the waterline dropping excessively before a tsunami reaches the shoreline, maybe the nature of Marduk's arrival itself could be massively damaging in ways we are not aware of......... Bare in mind, these mention nothing of Marduk himself, his form, his intentions or why he has indeed, come back.

Not long, in the scheme of things, to wait.

Indeed. Considering the nature of the times and the solar systemic response to the mounting of the galactic current sheet, increased meteoritic and asteroid strikes, the increasing heating of the planets of the solar system all presuage what has been a cyclical journey of becoming for oceanic humanity. I'm curious as to the form especially, as well as the energetic nature of this shift's apex expression. The fall and rise of civilizations, the inevitable clash of contradictory core value systems and the rising intensity of psychological emergencies on the part of a significant proportion of humanity all seem to accompany this shift.

Velikovsky's work seems more and more salient each day.

Bolding mine.

Great point Mark, indeed Velikovsky's work is where I'm at with this. I believe that there will be a massive, observable sign in our skies for days before 'Marduk' arrives, and it will be electrical in nature.

[Jim_Duyer]

UPDATE: I've confirmed that the inscriptions found in Egypt are in proto-Sumerian. But the reason that the authors (from Yale and Harvard) don't wish to acknowledge this is that they are being used to prop up an idea that the Hebrew people had an alphabetical writing system in 1800 BC, some 800 years earlier than previously thought. My discovery pushes this back to 3300 BC, but it will get no traction because they are so very entrenched in everything connected to either Egypt or the Holy Lands.
I have decided to drop that book altogether. It seems that the Christians don't like it, and the others don't wish to read about anything relating to the Biblical text, which kind of puts me out in a pasture by myself. I will work on another one, which will not relate the alternate version of the bible text hidden inside of the traditional text, but rather scoot to another side and report on the other aspects of what I have uncovered.
In closing, thanks to all for you input - very stimulating and interesting, and well-thought out.

And remember that the evidence that the Sumerians were in Egypt in 3400 BC is not new - it is documented, but the evidence that proto-Canaanite as a written alphabet existed in 1800 BC is fabricated, and can easily be refuted (if they would allow me).

[lucine]

It's very interesting to me that you mentioned Edgar Cayce because I've heard this name before in a totally different context. So, long ago I was consulting the Sumerian King's List, and since they explicitly mention exactly when the great flood happened, you can just add up all the years succeeding that, and that led to a number for the flood, something like 27K years ago from now or from 0 AD, I forget exactly. I kept entering numbers in that area to find of someone else had that date for the great flood. I found one blog post by someone who had arrived at that number by completely different calculations in the bible. He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood. It's just totally mindblowing that Cayce somehow knew that during his time, and then someone found independent corroboration to that in the Bible.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by lucine (here)
It's very interesting to me that you mentioned Edgar Cayce because I've heard this name before in a totally different context. So, long ago I was consulting the Sumerian King's List, and since they explicitly mention exactly when the great flood happened, you can just add up all the years succeeding that, and that led to a number for the flood, something like 27K years ago from now or from 0 AD, I forget exactly. I kept entering numbers in that area to find of someone else had that date for the great flood. I found one blog post by someone who had arrived at that number by completely different calculations in the bible. He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood. It's just totally mindblowing that Cayce somehow knew that during his time, and then someone found independent corroboration to that in the Bible.

Thanks for your comment. I have not read Cayce, but from what I have read in reports from others, he did mention something in that 27-30K range.
I believe that there have been many periods of floods. In fact, when someone proposed the idea that there had been many forms of humanity that rose and fell into dust only to rise and begin again, I can see some agreement to that as well.
The Sumerian Kings list is a mathematical prop. They left it to their ancestors. It provides, when handled properly, the circumference of our Sun, accurate to 96 plus percentage. Another tablet of theirs gives the circumference of Venus and Sirius, also accurate to that high degree. My opinion, without evidence, is that the only reason they were not 100% in conformance with what we believe those measures to be today are due to their rather odd way of arriving at PI. It wasn't that bad, but it could have been better, and this probably threw them off.
The Bible gives us the generations. One group provides the circumference of the Earth, accurate to almost 98% and the other the circumference of the Moon, at about 96.40%. But here I know why it was not 100 - because they followed the Egyptian method of PI but rounded each operation and then came up with their answer - which distorts the results. It's fairly simply to follow along with them and discover where they were slightly off.
This begs the question - were they helped? Their texts both say that they were.
Astounding? It was to me when I uncovered it.
As to the flood of the Sumerians, this I can place in 7300 BC +- 200 years. And I can do this with accuracy based on geological evidence of the size and shape of the Persian Gulf over time. I have a map, from Sumeria, of Eden, and it is dated to just prior to the flood. If we examine the historical record, this was about the same time that the land of Doggerland, in the English Channel went under for good, and the Black Sea joined the Mediterranean, so it's probably accurate.

I'm moving along a bit faster today on publishing - I bought a template to help me lay out the print version, so things are going in a better direction.

Not that I am finally blind, but I just noticed that your language is listed as Afrikaans. I have done some research on the Dogon home, prior to their move South, back when their lands of origin were green and watered, and there is a large piece of the human heart buried in the sands of central Africa. A big chunk of our shared history seems to be missing. For sure it was dynamic and important, because I found remnants, mentions of it, in the scripts of the Aymara in Tiwanaku in Bolivia-Peru. Not that they came from Africa, but that they had some cultural exchanges and probably commercial as well, and way, way back - prior to 8000 BC.
In fact my research was so startling that nobody believed it at all - and I withdrew it from publication. Doesn't mean it isn't true, but it was bizarre - they give longitude - latitude measures on the temple walls, and they work out to the Sahara. Well, some things are just too far ahead of when we are supposed to learn them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by lucine (here)
He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood.

The date Cayce gave was 28,000BC for the event known as Noah's flood. This was the second of three destructions to befall Atlantis, and is not (in my opinion) connected to other, later flooding events.

If we're to consider Noah as an Atlantean, and a survivor of the second epoch, we can infer he was perhaps the founder and indeed progenitor of the third Atlantean epoch, and was therefore something of a mythical hero figure -- one who would be remembered and recorded by scribes and adepts of the mystery schools to be handed down the ages. The deluge or cataclysm that triggered a rise in sea levels circa 7000BC that Jim mentioned *may* have been married to, or later confused with, this earlier (but still remembered) epic of Noah.

Just airing the theory. Sorry for derail!

The Three Atlantean Catastrophes

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by lucine (here)
He also said that he had grown up reading a lot of Cayce, and the reason he started his investigation because Cayce had mentioned 27-30k years (it's a specific number, I just don't remember now) as the year of the flood.

The date Cayce gave was 28,000BC for the event known as Noah's flood. This was the second of three destructions to befall Atlantis, and is not (in my opinion) connected to other, later flooding events.

If we're to consider Noah as an Atlantean, and a survivor of the second epoch, we can infer he was perhaps the founder and indeed progenitor of the third Atlantean epoch, and was therefore something of a mythical hero figure -- one who would be remembered and recorded by scribes and adepts of the mystery schools to be handed down the ages. The deluge or cataclysm that triggered a rise in sea levels circa 7000BC that Jim mentioned *may* have been married to, or later confused with, this earlier (but still remembered) epic of Noah.

Just airing the theory. Sorry for derail!

The Three Atlantean Catastrophes

I followed your suggested link. Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us? Yes, I have found evidence of that. Was Noah and the pre-Hebrew tribes alive than? Perhaps "A" Noah, and those reports were guarded and passed down in writing. We haven't found them, but lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. If Noah or someone like him had been around in 28,000 BC or so, they would have been in the region of southern Russia or modern Georgia. We have traces of them back to 12,000 BC, but the fierce ice sheets could have covered up other traces that we have not found yet. Or at least not disclosed yet, since artifacts that old are generally held from us.

You've read my post that I found the name Moses in the upper Syrian area about 3000 BC, so perhaps Noah was another recycled name and there were several Noah's. I don't know to be honest.


Thanks for the information. I should mention that Noah was from the same region of the Caucasus mountains, and we know this because of his "white" hair and "shocking" eyes, with blond and blue coming to mind, as was Esau with his red hair, also first noted in that Caucasus region.

I mentioned Noah as a point of reference. I do not believe that the flood of 7300 was the flood of Noah. Mainly because that is from the visible text. The hidden text tells us that the flood was warned about in advance, that God (El) helped them relocate down below, that they were washed away and used boxes of wood to keep their goods and children dry while they floated along with the horrible flood. In other words, no Ark, no need for Noah, etc.

I don't say this - they do. I am repeating what it clearly and unmistakenly tells us - you may recall that I decided not to publish for just this reason - it is too upsetting for too many.

As to Atlantis floods back then - you will not find me in disagreement with that. In fact I most certainly do agree that there were floods and other disasters and that this led to the loss of the Arctic kingdom and perhaps Atlantis and Lemura as well. All could be true.

I merely used the flood of 7300, which is indeed recorded in maps and supported by the geological evidence, as the flood that caused the Adamic group to leave Eden for Syria and that region, which at that time was under the control of, militarily and otherwise, of Sumeria, and thus was called Sumer in the texts.
There was probably another flood about 2800 BC, and this may be the origin of the reports of the flood of Noah, but in any event, we're speaking of two main tribal groups - and each wrote part of the traditional Bible stories while one encrypted messages with a different story inside the text.

There is nothing that I can do to avoid this coming out. My template can and will be used by others than myself, and it is crystal clear in its message. We may not like it, we may not believe it, but it will still be there. All I can do is not publish what I have found in regards to those details, which I choose to do.

But to the point, you have no argument from me in re Atlantis, 28,000 and Cayce. I wish that I had his gifts.

When I read of El, a God who taught his children to read and write, who was not jealous, who killed nor ordered the killing of nobody, who walked with them and protected them, who helped them get set up in the Syria area and who they speak of in such loving terms, it adds to my enjoyment of the Bible, not takes away from it. But that's probably just me. The authors of this version were Job, Enosh and perhaps Abraham, along with their descendants.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us?

I don't have any knowledge of such ancient writing, but I think it has to be a given in some form. A civilization as advanced as the Atlanteans must have had a writing system.

There are a few clues in Cayce. I think it was Ra-Ta the High Priest, founder of a post-Atlantean colony in Egypt, who helped establish and promote a new language and a new form of writing that the (primitive) natives too could understand. This may have evolved into what one might called pre-hieroglyphic, or proto-Egyptian.

We may also consider that "Noah" is not the only Atlantean name to survive into modern times. According to Casey, Hermes and Ra too were Atlantean, and were the architects and builders of the Great Pyramid at Giza (long before Khufu!). Not only Cayce. Hermes is credited as its builder by several ancient scribes and scholars (one I believe was Ibn Battuta).

There is in fact a whole canon of names of, let's say, "advanced Atlanteans" that may have been deified by a variety of early Neolithic peoples in the places they settled after the cataclysm, and gave rise to a pantheon of familiar characters such as: Isis and Osiris, Zeus and Hera, Odin and Thor -- and who knows how many more. Their later progeny could account for certain Biblical figures with strange powers, or extraordinary lifespans, such as Enoch/Metatron, and Methuselah.

It is possible the first mystery schools sprang up around these figures, to protect and preserve the ancient knowledge and the real history of the world. According to Dolores Cannon, the Essenes (with whom Jesus was associated) was one such school; they knew of Atlantis also and called them 'the Kaloo' (phonetic), and in fact guarded one of the Atlantean crystals of power at Qumran. I conjecture that is was through these schools that the legend of Atlantis was passed down the ages and eventually reached Solon, and thereby Plato.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Was there writing in 28,000 BC to allow the story of Noah to have even been passed down to us?

I don't have any knowledge of such ancient writing, but I think it has to be a given in some form. A civilization as advanced as the Atlanteans must have had a writing system.

There are a few clues in Cayce. I think it was Ra-Ta the High Priest, founder of a post-Atlantean colony in Egypt, who helped establish and promote a new language and a new form of writing that the (primitive) natives too could understand. This may have evolved into what one might called pre-hieroglyphic, or proto-Egyptian.

We may also consider that "Noah" is not the only Atlantean name to survive into modern times. According to Casey, Hermes and Ra too were Atlantean, and were the architects and builders of the Great Pyramid at Giza (long before Khufu!). Not only Cayce. Hermes is credited as its builder by several ancient scribes and scholars (one I believe was Ibn Battuta).

There is in fact a whole canon of names of, let's say, "advanced Atlanteans" that may have been deified by a variety of early Neolithic peoples in the places they settled after the cataclysm, and gave rise to a pantheon of familiar characters such as: Isis and Osiris, Zeus and Hera, Odin and Thor -- and who knows how many more. Their later progeny could account for certain Biblical figures with strange powers, or extraordinary lifespans, such as Enoch/Metatron, and Methuselah.

It is possible the first mystery schools sprang up around these figures, to protect and preserve the ancient knowledge and the real history of the world. According to Dolores Cannon, the Essenes (with whom Jesus was associated) was one such school; they knew of Atlantis also and called them 'the Kaloo' (phonetic), and in fact guarded one of the Atlantean crystals of power at Qumran. I conjecture that is was through these schools that the legend of Atlantis was passed down the ages and eventually reached Solon, and thereby Plato.

Thank you. I did not know that about the Kaloo, but then again I have never read Dolores Cannon.
Until sometime in 2015, I think it was, I did not believe in extraterrestrials as begin on Earth.
And to this day I have not read any of the channeled works of anyone. It's not that I don't believe them, it's that I need to be able to provide written evidence in support or at least documented symbols, else my work will fall into the category of the seers, and I have none of those talents.
Yes, there is writing in Europe from 28,000 BC - in a half dozen or more locations, and it continues down to about 7000 BC or so. In fact, that was the syllabary that helped me to develop the template that I use for the proto-Hebrew.
I have translated the earliest, to date, example that I have seen, and it is from South Africa, dated to 63,000 BC by three teams of archaeologists. It's a poem, but one that we would have a difficult time reproducing. Half is written on one side in symbols, and when you turn this artifact upside down, the same markings change into other symbols in the same language, and provide the exact other half of the message without a pause of any type. Impossible to say the least, without a computer. I believe it is the work of either Boskop Man or Neanderthal, and we have both in that area, although our scholars assure us that Neanderthal left Africa some 400,000 years ago. What a story they come up with!
No, Neanderthal man was never in Africa in that time period. It's Boskop for sure. What is not clear is if he was an Atlantis connected one or not.
When I say poem, I should also say that it is a love poem, and a quite good one at that.
The others, from 28,000 in Russia are tips on how to grow crops. Oh, wait, domesticating crops that early? Impossible. And yet there it is. The ones from Serbia are fishing tips, the ones from France are astronomical in nature.
So yes, not sure if it is Atlantis like my friend Leonard believed but it for sure is a culture that was here on Earth.
Were they humans? Perhaps. Earth-born? Perhaps. But then again, according to the early texts mankind is not from Earth originally, but was transplanted here.
Could the teachers who accompanied the first transplants to Earth have been the ones who were later called the Atlanteans? Perhaps. And they were called "gods" and "sky-gods" as well. Or the "great fathers" of the Native Americans.
Here is my take on the important part of all of this confusing mess of history. Our ancestors interfaced with a group that taught them, from the very beginning. These were caretakers, but later some went off the script and declared themselves gods and goddesses. And their half-relations and quarter-relations lord it over us to this day - believing themselves above us, and calling the shots so to speak. Few in number, great in power.
Whether we call them Atlanteans, demi-gods, or whatever, it doesn't really mean much to name them. We need to understand how our earliest ancestors dealt with them and what they had to do to survive. The Sumerians didn't, survive that is. As soon as they began writing tablets about these monsters they were sent Ki****es, Akkadians, Gutians, Elamites, Amorites, and Assyrians, until their place in history was wiped clean.
So we probably should get our stuff together, soon, and figure out how we will respond when they return in force.
And which of the visitors we can count on as allies - and contact should begin with them.
Just my opinion.

By the way. the word UR, which is where the scribe Abraham is said to have come from, is an early city
in Sumeria. It is written in Hebrew as aleph vav reah. And that translates to ge-ir, or "where the writing of the sayings and proverbs" was. Something to think about.

[Jim_Duyer]

I would like to offer a group apology for the misspellings or errors that appear to represent dyslexia in my posts. I'm just now trying to get used to my new glasses - first pair in my life. Wonderful what mileage does to one.

[Mark]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
You know I was just looking at your comment and for the first time noticed San Marcos. I used to own some land in Canyon Lake, not far from there. Before coming to Costa Rica I lived in San Antonio for a few years. Small World.

Very cool! I lived in San Marcos for 14 years, just moved to San Antonio. Between the two homes, as we sold one and bought another, we lived in an Air B&B in Canyon Lake. How's that for a coincidence?

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
I use Yah to avoid offending Christians. I mean Yahweh YHWY, the "I will be what I will be".

I understand. It has become my understanding that some differentiate even more drastically between Yahweh and YHWH, referring to the familiar spelling as the Hebrew Mountain/Storm god and the consonant form as the Most High, capitalization intended. I've never heard of this differentiation until very recently and so was wondering if you acknowledge the difference or is it something that proselytizers use when faced with the argument that their storm god is not the highest form of divinity in creation.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Read the NT. The part where Jesus is asked to tell which commandment are important. He names six of the ten originals and then adds one new one. Yes, it's in the book, in two of the books actually. (Mark 10: 17-20).

Here are those six, with the ones left out bracketed.
Items omitted by Jesus are bracketed:
[Thou shalt have no other gods before me]
[Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image...]
[Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy god in vain...]
[Observe the Sabbath Day,to keep i tholy...]
Honor thy father and thy mother . . .
Thou shalt not kill
Neither shalt thou commit adultery
Neither shalt thou steal
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor
[Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s wife
...]

And what are the four that he leaves out? The ones with the name Yahweh/Jehovah in them.

Ok. You blew my mind with this one. I've never noticed that before and it makes total sense.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
In fact he only later mentions the Father part when he makes it clear that "his father is not their father". (Your Father [Yahweh) is not my Father [El]).

Your Father was a liar and a murderer from the beginning (only Cain fits the murderer and liar from the beginning). So he is telling us that Yahweh and Cain are the group that the Jews of his day followed - and we know that the Kenites (Cainites) of Jethro married into the family of Moses, and many scholars will tell you that they introduced Yahweh to Moses - as he says himself "I was not known as Yahweh to Abraham and Noah etc, but rather as El Shaddai" El is the creator God, Father of Jesus, and Shaddai means two mounds, and refers to a city in modern Syria where the tribes of Cain were in control.

There are two main groups of tribes of Amorites, or pre-Hebrews and Hebrews. One is the right-hand, righteous, southern tribes of the Bene Yaminites, related to Job and Enosh and perhaps Abraham, and the left-hand, evil, northern tribes of the border region between Iran and iraq originally, and closely associated with the Elamites. These were called the Simalites. All of these names can be pulled up in wakipedia.

My blown mind was further dissipated with this information and spent DAYS researching this, going to read the biblical text, looking for scholarly articles on Cain and his progeny, on the history of that region and the many tribes that you've mentioned and their interrelation. Some of that research I'd done before, but much of it was new with this new focus based upon the names you've shared here. Of course your work is legit. As a scholar myself, I pride myself on my ability to research and I have to say that your work is singular and important. I'm glad to have run across your thread and to have been able to engage on these topics that are so important in sieving off the academic and hysterical slough that has accrued across the centuries and millennia that cast these characters and stories in so much indeterminacy.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Moses, of the evil ones, met Yahweh through his relatives the Cainites, and together they went on a spree to take the lands and the slaughter began. But what most won't or don't tell you is that they also became the scribes and insiders of the Temple. They were the ones that Jesus threw out and who he had to contend with, and who eventually killed him.

I guess it follows, when you think about who Jethro and his people were and that Moses came in and basically just became their interlocuter, like Joseph for the Egyptians when the Hebrews arrived in Egypt. Is there another location or books that you've perused that speak on this deeper, or are these inferences you've made directly from the text?

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
They also went back in and wrote additional portions of the Bible. They could not start fresh since so many copies existed, so they simply added. That's why we have two creations, two flood stories, each similar but different. And there are other parts as well.

BUT, they did not know that Job and his group, trained by the descendants of Enosh in Eden, had a method of hiding their version inside of the text. So they wrote very interesting verses that were sure to be kept safe, and meanwhile hid the truth inside of it.

So the later additions are simpler, more direct, with no secret, hidden messages. Perhaps that comports with the difference in the origin, the different fathers, and, perhaps, the different capacities of the people involved if that was a thing as well?

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Such things as Cain was a female. Able got her pregnant. Cain abandoned her daughter, who was raised by Enosh, the grandson of Adam (not Enock) to become an expert in what they call the mystery work.

That's what I have translated. And a great, great deal more - some three or four hundred pages with over a thousand translations to date. That's why it is taking me so long. But it is done - just arranging into chapters, doing my normal, nervous rewrites, and hoping to get it out ASAP.

Mind triple-blown now. 'Nuff said on that.

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
This, this, is the God that has been hidden from us.

The one that murders, tells us to kill women and children, claims he is a jealous god, an angry god, etc. is Yahweh and
not El, the God of Enosh, Job, Abraham, Melchezidek and Jesus.
So they got some of it right (Gnostics).

Of course people have been killed for this knowledge, historically, and kept from spreading it (today).

And if that is not more than you ever wished to know, I have a question ... Think it will be an interesting book?

Hell yes. It would be an amazing book. I think I read in later posts that you've decided not to follow through with it because there is so much resistance to the information. Which is always the case when people have been raised in lies and their virtual lives depend upon propagating those lies.

I think you should continue with the work. Self-publish it. The PTB don't have the time or the space to be killing all of the truth-tellers out there today, only to manage the illusions as best they can and I think they are getting more and more concerned about the more basic things, like living through these times themselves. I think the audience for your work is wider than you may believe.

[Jim_Duyer]

Thank you, Mark. Yes, I will publish it after all. I have figured out a way to make it readable by the majority, regardless of their beliefs. Perhaps all of the groups will find something to love and something to hate in it. Ha Ha.

Good to see that there are some thinkers out there, such as yourself and many others here on PA.

I have just finished a piece today, but it's so involved that it will take me a few days to make it interesting to the public - a lot of associations. Basically, I have translated, with success, not all, nor nearly any good percentage, but at least one of the phrasal groups from Mohenjo-Daro, in the Indus Script. It's seven characters above a figure of a lion-bull god who is in a Yoga position. And it actually connects to the Vedas very clearly - their earliest astronomy and the symbols plus others I have deciphered speak of the imaginary lines in the sky that they call Rahu-Ketu.
But in an even more interesting find, it speaks of a position for meditation. Much like the Islamic and Jews who face Mecca and Jerusalem, and the Native American and South Americans who had their divisions of the compass most favorable for meditative contemplation, this explains that facing this direction (which can be easily determined and free to all - just have to look up at night), your energy or spirit or whatever becomes more tightly aligned. It's like tuning in a radio antenna, except in the Vedic literature and Jainism - Tibetans, China, Japan, etc.

I don't anticipate taking the time to figure out all 400 symbols in Indrus Script, but this phrase is tight - 100% sure it is correct. Speaks of a mother goddess among other things. Which makes it very much pre-Hindu, but with earlier versions of the same gods. Also interesting is that it ties in with the Sumerian ideas of having moved humanity from their origin in the stars and teaching them enough to survive.

I don't know flip about Yoga, Hinduism, Vedic texts, well - you name it. But I'm learning quickly.

I'll put it up here as soon as I can smooth it out.