Two dreams of a reality ?

[thepainterdoug]

I'm in  awe of some things , some realities I'm perplexed and presented with as I try to keep my sanity day to day and move ahead.
I don't like this feeling of being so one sided, yet I don't see a way to bring things together.
Its like there are two dreams of a so called "reality"
 
So this is Dream no 1.
I saw a vid of Barbara Streisand being interviewed .
She stated that she feels Biden has done a fine job, keeping things calm and all. 
And when asked what she would do with another Trump Presidency,  her answer was, as it was the last time, that she will leave the country and live in Sweden or Italy or whatever. But she will leave because it will be that bad! She has many others who agree with this .
What does she mean, it will be that bad?

Then we have Dream 2

Looking at the  facts left to us by the first Trump term,
Meeting and mending with world leaders,  a controlled border, energy independence, little inflation, low gas prices, no new wars , good trade deals, bringing back businesses, lowered prescription drug prices,food and supply chains active, school moms able to have a say with their children at school board meeting ,well there is much much more, not even getting into kids and sex implications etc
 
Add Derek Johnson, all he has unearthed regarding COG, all the white hats the anons, the people fighting to expose corruption in the jabb, the politicized justice dept and all the rest,far too long to list .
Is this all a dream?

So how can two camps of rational people be so widely apart ? What is reality? 

The majority of all people want safety, family, kids, want to afford to live , buy food, travel, have freedom to choose etc.  
How can the "Streisand reality" and the many on board with her mesh with what I see ?
 
I just don't understand which dream is more reality based ?
I would have once thought, the one more "fact based" was?
 

[T Smith]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

I saw a vid of Barbara Streisand being interviewed .
She stated that she feels Biden has done a fine job, keeping things calm and all. 
And when asked what she would do with another Trump Presidency,  her answer was, as it was the last time, that she will leave the country and live in Sweden or Italy or whatever. But she will leave because it will be that bad! She has many others who agree with this .
What does she mean, it will be that bad?

 

The best understanding I have of this phenomena is literally a Trump Derangement Syndrome. This term is bandied about with derision and mockery, but I'm honestly not trying to be hyperbolic. There are many, many people afflicted by this condition. TDS creates in the minds of the afflicted their own reality (dream 1) based not on reason, but rather on impulse and implanted negative feelings and emotions severed from factual reality. These negative emotions and feelings, like bad dreams, are very real in the minds of the afflicted.

It's a form of hypnosis, mass formation, etc.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I just don't understand which dream is more reality based ?
I would have once thought, the one more "fact based" was?
 

I think you (and I) do understand which dream is more reality based.

What is difficult to understand is how so many can be "convinced and/or duped" to believe in a false reality that is absolutely lacking logic, reason, and common sense.

It's a non- sensible psychobabble reality vs. sensible worded reality. A reality in which two people are standing together on a beach looking up at the beautiful blue sky and one demands it's actually a green sky because that's what the news is reporting. Visual proof becomes irrelevant....

There is absolutely two reality's, one that is and one that isn't.....

[thepainterdoug]

What we say here regarding this condition has nothing to do with intelligence. Thats why it is so baffling to me.

If it were not Trump, do you still feel it would still be a path of denial?

If it were RFK or Desantis, with the same term and results of Trump, would it be the same refusal of these facts by what I now call "The Streisand Syndrome" folks?

Or does it really just prove that once the MSM and the agiences got after Trump and started their brainwashing campaign, , that poisoning was a fate acompli

[lightwalker]

So, here is my 2 cents worth: I contain both of these dream realities. Both valid, both true, (coming from the perspective that all truths are true). I get to decide which "true" is the one I want for my dream. The challenge is not which one is valid...they both are. For me the challenge is to be OK in the dream that I chose to make as mine AND to allow others to chose the other dream. It is when I start saying that your dream is wrong and mine is right that the separation comes in. When I focus on my dream and it feels good but also allows for integration and not separation I don't really worry about those who chose the other dream. It doesn't matter. Which dream do you choose ?

lightwalker

[thepainterdoug]

Lightwalker. I get you, and thats fine. However, one dream says , all is as you feel it and percieve it to be. Not making either right or wrong.
The other says, the facts are laid before you and so you choose otherwise

This usually gets cleared up when for example , someone says, is that your car? and you say well yes it is. And they reply , well I think its my car, then drive off and say , see you later.

I dont come from the opinon that these are both truths that are true. Trump accomplished those things or he didnt. You own the car or you dont.

[East Sun]

To me there is the unseen "hand" that controls every president. Some presidents are given
a role to play that they follow.

I think that Biden should be totally ignored by those who know who is illegally controlling
the process. The afforementioned hand will always be there, until sometime in the future, I
hope not very far from now, a big change will be brought about, that will change everything.
I am not predicting anything. I just believe that it's long overdue.

Let it be!!!

[Tyy1907]

This suspension of common sense you speak of Doug can only be explained one way and thats mass mind control. What if peoples subconscious are being messaged constantly, the conscious mind being oblivious to it, and in turn creating "beliefs" according to what leanings the said human mind has already. Samsung or Apple, Democrat or Republican, pineapple on pizza or no pineapple, on amd on it goes.
We're all being played here. Its part of the test of us. Can we overcome the mass psychosis? Will we find a way tap into the unlimited (divine) source of healing, love, peace, joy and happiness?

[Cruissser]

I think this is truly proof of some level of brainwashing. I have yet to get a negative response when I ask anyone if our country is influenced by corruption and people that are making decisions for their own gain instead of the well being of our country. Everyone agrees this to be true.
But when I ask how they envision this being corrected my question is met with anger and rage.

I think most would agree, Trump had an influence on corruption. All you have to do is look at the amount of CEOs that retired out of fear once he came into office.
The trouble is most don't understand that the people currently in power are not going to just walk away, they have to much at stake. I would love it if someone is clever enough to come up with a method
to make people understand this. Any ideas?

[thepainterdoug]

tyy1907

i suppose we are all being played because we are all playing a part. we are all actors here. the parts we are playing are chosen for us ? with us? or by us? And for whos benefit?
Do you feel there is an e t element in all this?

If we continue to play loosey goosey with language, truth, facts logic and common sense, it may be amusing to the detached onlooker, but when we ourselves are involved, and nothing makes any sense, we will shout !wondering why no once cares

[Tyy1907]

I 100% think there's an E T element to all this.
I also think divine partnership for the coming year is critical.

[thepainterdoug]

Crussier. very good points. And yes, they arent going to walk away. They are very sophisticated , so sophisticated as to put up a scarecrow in the field , having the birds believe its real
Gonna have to let this thing ride into the coming months

[Delight]

I feel into the shattering of the separate realities that I see people are creating in ever widening rings of abstraction from what I call the original matrix (mother of our creations).
Why will the seeker of information receive confirmations and be led away into the realm of an abstract scene. We think too much and about all the distractions when we COULD agree on some basics and cooperate. People have experienced a break up in the mind of all the ideas, all the THOUGHTS and IMO something BIGGER in the realm of the astral is using our mind to broadcast the message of DOOM to all creation.

Think about it... what does every plan and propaganda aim toward and hold as a common Value? Death.

I can only turn my mind to contemplating God and the Mystery to keep my sanity. I am 100% convinced that every presentation is an attempt to capture our souls.

I imagine a world of such beauty in creative cooperation. That is all I want to talk about. I talk to God about this world beyond this break up. I don't talk to anyone. They have their own "world". Politics is a definite adversarial game to capture people. No one cares if it is no longer about taking care of the infrastucture. Politics blinds us to the daily LIFE we really choose. People knowingly vote based on blind propaganda. Knowing so FEW people and being at a loss with two, I see MY WORLD is so much different. I am focused on how we COULD keep the best of all possibilities and leave the rest. But who is able to cooperate? IMO it's a person who knows we DO create our experiences.

I get very excited about analog kinds of human doing. I love so many technologies. Frankly I do not intend to live in a world that is not WONDERFUL. I sincerely believe in Divine intervention. Who Divine IS? I don't know but feel Presence here. My friends feel alien to me. Who can focus on what is truly groping ME? Maybe no one except God. The Good News to me is that God is here in our chest.

That is what I call it. The Great Shattering when we HAD to move our focus to our hearts and meet God. I am sure all who have will be on a same place to communicate between souls. That is my dream. We all meet God.

[palehorse]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Lightwalker. I get you, and thats fine. However, one dream says , all is as you feel it and percieve it to be. Not making either right or wrong.
The other says, the facts are laid before you and so you choose otherwise

This usually gets cleared up when for example , someone says, is that your car? and you say well yes it is. And they reply , well I think its my car, then drive off and say , see you later.

I dont come from the opinon that these are both truths that are true. Trump accomplished those things or he didnt. You own the car or you dont.

interesting how you put that, regarding the car, or could be a house as well.. same idea, I would go further and say, that the state has part of it, so no one fully own anything. We have to pay taxes right? and if we don't pay, the government take over our possessions right? so who actually own anything?

[T Smith]

Posted by lightwalker (here)
I contain both of these dream realities. Both valid, both true, (coming from the perspective that all truths are true). I get to decide which "true" is the one I want for my dream. The challenge is not which one is valid...they both are. For me the challenge is to be OK in the dream that I chose to make as mine AND to allow others to chose the other dream.
lightwalker

The problem is, these dreams diametrically oppose each other, are conducive to tension and conflict, and beg for resolution. Coexistence of these constructs ultimately elicits a fight or flight response (resolution) and stirs the collective consciousness to war, violence, and upheaval.

I would suggest this is by design. The objective appears to be civil war and destruction, where people (and not some outside conquerer or enemy) become the driving force tearing down civilization.

In Barbara Streisand's case, she will flee. But there are others who will fight.

If one embraces these dreams as constructs (as you describe) there is room for resolution and integration and the program may fail. But it seems to me people rather embrace one dream or the other as reality... not a construct.

What Doug describes appears to be an engineered Hegelian dialectic inflicted on humanity en masse. Sorry to say (for Barbara Streisand) there may be no place to run, and whatever force is behind this program may contain a non-human origin.

[T Smith]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

This usually gets cleared up when for example , someone says, is that your car? and you say well yes it is. And they reply , well I think its my car, then drive off and say , see you later.

I dont come from the opinon that these are both truths that are true. Trump accomplished those things or he didnt. You own the car or you dont.

Under the influence of hypnosis, there is no objective reality. There is only subjective reality, created in the mind. Your car is your car, yes. You have title to it, an objective history linked to it, and could prove it is your car in a court of law.

But when in a hypnotic state, it wouldn't be unusual at all if someone else drove off in your car believing it was theirs. In their reality, they have title to it, an objective history linked to it, and would go so far to try to prove as much in a court of law. And if the court of law is also in a hypnotic state, the judge may even validate the absconder's subjective reality.

To some degree all reality is subjective, but we humans nonetheless do our best to objectify our experience and try to recognize a shared truth outside ourselves.

(IMHO) what we are seeing now is a collective state of being where the lines discerning the two are becoming ever blurred.

[Ratszinger]

When I was younger my father said when I asked about this very subject matter, with a question something akin to "What are you seeing in L. Johnson that I am missing Dad?," He being a Union member and very staunch about it said, "It's hard for some to see what their livelihood depends on them not seeing. I have to vote democrat its who "WE" support and who supports us". So to him it didn't make a lick of difference that the guy was a sleeze balll so greasy you could tell even as a teenager, and so evident one could detect it even on the TV back then. I knew he had something to do with Kennedy's death even then.

Anyway we all witnessed this again with Bill Clinton when he was 'Placed' in AR and the voters apparently voted for him for two terms there even knowing full well that he was kicked out of Oxford for sexual assault and that he had assaulted Juanita Broderick of his own Campaign and raped her as well as others all the way up to the Lewinsky scandal as he lied about getting BJ's in the oval office with that famous line and democrats didn't miss this at all! They simply didn't care and don't care even now. The way they go on about Trump is just pretend. The truth is they let it all and more slide with their own side many times. They do that even now with Joe Biden. It appears to be just the way my father described himself! Sadly!

[T Smith]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I have to vote democrat its who "WE" support and who supports us".

I totally get this ... and yes, this is exactly how the democratic party coerces votes out of the working classes; but the thing that astounds me is the magic trick behind it all. The fact is, the policies of the democratic party don't support the working classes; they just pretend to and provide lip service to it. Just as its core ideology does not really support equity and inclusion. Lyndon B Johnson was probably the most racist President we've had since the coup d'etat that installed him.

It's all a magic trick.

For that matter the other party isn't much better, but the difference is they don't appear as duplicitous in their solicitation of votes.

[Lunesoleil]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I just don't understand which dream is more reality based ?
I would have once thought, the one more "fact based" was?
 

Manipulation is dangerous for our mental health, and your reflection Doug echoes my Full Moon reflection on knowing how to distinguish false from true, truth from lies. We live in a modern society of media manipulation.
Whatever happens, let's be discerning about what we believe to be true and what we believe to be false.
Do you take the red pill or the blue pill?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by T Smith (here)
But when in a hypnotic state, it wouldn't be unusual at all if someone else drove off in your car believing it was theirs.

It's even wilder than that. Hypnosis has proven how pliable the mind can be. Ever read 'The Holographic Universe' by Michael Talbot? That book is a monster of a rabbit hole. It will have you up nights asking questions to the darkness. Is reality really reality? And if so, what does 'real' even mean?

True story as told in The Holographic Universe
In the mid 1970s an experiment was conducted to test the powers of hypnosis. A subject, 'Tom', was put into trance. First came the usual tricks performed by a stage hypnotist. Tom was told that a giraffe was in the room. For several minutes Tom gaped at the imaginary giraffe with wonder. Tom was then convinced that a potato was an apple and he ate the potato with gusto. The highlight came when Tom was told that when he came out of trance his daughter, Laura, would be completely invisible to him.

Laura was instructed to stand in front of the chair in which Tom was sitting. The hypnotist awakened him and asked if he could see her.

Tom looked around the room and his gaze appeared to pass right through his giggling daughter. "No", he replied. The hypnotist asked Tom if he was certain, and again, despite Laura's rising giggles, he answered no.

Then the hypnotist went behind Laura so he was hidden from Tom's view and pulled an object out of his pocket. He kept the object carefully concealed so that no one in the room could see it, and pressed it against the small of Laura's back. He asked Tom to identify the object. Tom leaned forward as if staring through Laura's stomach and said it was a watch. The hypnotist nodded and asked Tom if he could read the inscription. Tom squinted as if struggling to make out the tiny writing and recited both the name of the watch's owner (unknown to Tom and not present in the room) and the message. The hypnotist then revealed that the object was indeed a watch and passed it round the room so everyone could examine it and see that Tom had read its inscription correctly.

Afterwards, Tom was asked about this experience. From his perspective, his daughter had been completely invisible to him. All he had seen was the hypnotist standing and holding a watch cupped in the palm of his hand.

***

They say that we create our own reality. I say, if you don't have a strong connection to who you really are (in other words are susceptible to the power of suggestion) others will step in and create your reality for you. This is what happened to Tom, and I believe that's what happening right now in the world at large.

I also say -- or suggest -- that objective reality may not itself actually exist. Not in the way we think it does. The above is just one small illustration that speaks to that idea. Tom didn't just believe his daughter was absent from the room, she literally was absent from the room in his reality. My basic premise to explain this phenomenon is that ALL reality or permutations of reality exist simultaneously, and what we perceive of it is determined by what we choose (or are told) to filter out.

This maybe slightly off-topic, but I thought it an interesting tangent to bring into the conversation.