Don`t Buy! Don`t Comply! Ask Why!

[Carmody]

*NOTE* The original post to this thread starts at post #16.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post166513.

Posts #1 - #15 were moved from another thread because they are better suited for this topic. Jake.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Carmody (here)
every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

Close, but not quite.
Would you believe that the funds did exist?
That isn't the fraud, it is the source.
YOU are the source, when you sign the promise to pay, that is when the funds came into existence.
YOU created your own credit.
The fraud is they charge you interest and payments for your own credit.

[Jake]

I have zero debt. I have closed all of my bank accounts. I must not be worth a dang thing!!!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jake (here)
I have zero debt. I have closed all of my bank accounts. I must not be worth a damn thing!!!

Incorrectamundo Senor Fawkes.
Do you have a birth certificate, marriage lisence, drivers lisence, a registered car, a credit card, a property?

[Carmody]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

Close, but not quite.
Would you believe that the funds did exist?
That isn't the fraud, it is the source.
YOU are the source, when you sign the promise to pay, that is when the funds came into existence.
YOU created your own credit.
The fraud is they charge you interest and payments for your own credit.

I'm well aware of that. turn the tables.

Nail them on the point of the money creation.

Take them to court over it.

it does not matter if you win or not.

Expose the lie in the system.

One's bringing of value into the system is, right now, being expressed as debt ---owed to the bankers.

This is the lie that needs be exposed.

[araucaria]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

Close, but not quite.
Would you believe that the funds did exist?
That isn't the fraud, it is the source.
YOU are the source, when you sign the promise to pay, that is when the funds came into existence.
YOU created your own credit.
The fraud is they charge you interest and payments for your own credit.

I beg to differ. If YOU create your own credit with ME, who am not a bank, I may not charge you interest and payments for your own credit, but I am certainly putting myself to some inconvenience that you may see fit to recognize if only by buying me a drink. Any fraud can only be in the amounts they charge. Thirty years ago, a mortgage cost 13% here, now it's a fraction of that

[Jake]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
I have zero debt. I have closed all of my bank accounts. I must not be worth a damn thing!!!

Incorrectamundo Senor Fawkes.
Do you have a birth certificate, marriage lisence, drivers lisence, a registered car, a credit card, a property?

Birth Certificate (Indian Nations) and Drivers License (Washington State) No cards no properties no debts no bank accounts. I only have my Licence becuase it is required by the powers that took over my country. My birth certificate is locked away. WAY AWAY!!! Trust me! They have taken everything. Financailly speaking of course.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
every person who takes out a loan should sue the bank that 'lent' it to them as a statement of not having to pay the bank, as the money never existed. sue them for proof of the funds existing, within the same month the loan is 'created'. Ie, stop payment, block payment, in the first few days of the literal 'creation' of the loan.

I did a personal loan about 4 years back, and sat there in the given office...and literally WATCHED the bank employee do that exact thing.

I literally saw her create the funds INTO my account.

The purpose...... is to control your emergent 'worth' in the integrated world of humans exchanging and bringing value into the world.

To re-iterate..as you emerge into the wold of how values have arisen to be "exchangeable 'money'" (an estimated unit value system of exchange and flow)...they ascribe value to you and own it in the same moment.

The given person's insanity or lack of depth of thought on the matter, is failing to see this for what it is. They (people) step into it with a lack of knowledge of the depth of what is happening.

Machiavellian half truths in an event sequenced system of control, on the individual level.

Close, but not quite.
Would you believe that the funds did exist?
That isn't the fraud, it is the source.
YOU are the source, when you sign the promise to pay, that is when the funds came into existence.
YOU created your own credit.
The fraud is they charge you interest and payments for your own credit.

I'm well aware of that. turn the tables.

Nail them on the point of the money creation.

Take them to court over it.

it does not matter if you win or not.

Expose the lie in the system.

One's bringing of value into the system is, right now, being expressed as debt ---owed to the bankers.

This is the lie that needs be exposed.

Yeah, that works for me.
Good tactic, vampires can't take sunlight.

Posted by araucaria (here)
I beg to differ. If YOU create your own credit with ME, who am not a bank, I may not charge you interest and payments for your own credit, but I am certainly putting myself to some inconvenience that you may see fit to recognize if only by buying me a drink. Any fraud can only be in the amounts they charge. Thirty years ago, a mortgage cost 13% here, now it's a fraction of that

You should go back and read what I said again. Which part of they use YOUR credit and bill you for it isn't fraud?
Did they tell you they would do that?
Bearing that in mind, who cares what interest rate they charge?

[shybastid]

http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html Stated as FACT

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread447086/pg1 Shredded as FACT.

This has been debated on other sites..but still creepy. "Supposedly" we're already part of U.S. debt as individual citizens to Federal Reserve and our birth certificates prove it.

My opinion is still out on this one.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by shybastid (here)
http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html Stated as FACT

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread447086/pg1 Shredded as FACT.

This has been debated on other sites..but still creepy. "Supposedly" we're already part of U.S. debt as individual citizens to Federal Reserve and our birth certificates prove it.

My opinion is still out on this one.

First link good, second link bad.
The birth certificate is NOT a promissory note.
It is a stock receipt.
You know when you have stocks in a company and they give you a certificate to show how many you hold?
That is what it is.

[shybastid]

I just clicked it in your repost Lord and it went right to it.

And thanks for cleaning up my slop.. Sorry about that.

You've helped me many times.. Much appreciated and I'll be more careful.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by shybastid (here)
I just clicked it in your repost Lord and it went right to it.

And thanks for cleaning up my slop.. Sorry about that.

You've helped me many times.. Much appreciated and I'll be more careful.

No, ya nugget.
I meant the first link had good info, the second link had bad info, probably my fault in phrasing it that way.
No apology accepted as none was needed.

[Lunar]

That's a very interesting way of looking at it Carmody. I wonder if it would have a sound legal argument? It's a great vision to think of a collective mass suing the banks

I paid off all my debts (from being a wild teenager and early twenties) because I realised with them they are literally shackles. Life becomes all work and you are bound to it, a good ploy to detract you from the quest for the self and what's really going on in the world.

[Revere]

This whole idea of society valuing it's constituents as per their value via their ability to increase monetary value is disturbing!!I have felt like an edentured servant for years with my length of term being increased faster than I can work it down. It is all a part of their never ending game.

I do not know what work life is truly like out of the US but, here wow I wonder if many understand the stress most every American lives with during our working lives. Right now "true unemployment is just under 20% and many dare not take a vacation because that would set the wrong perception. So, we work years at a time with no real break trying to keep up appearances so we are not the poor sucker let go. Now, if you are let go you may never make the same wage again or not find a new job you can live off of for years. The stress for many is killing them. The crap many put up with is unreal. I could go on and on about the "Corporate Ocracy" that we really live under. We got the best government that the Companies could buy. So...is it the same abroad? I am curious?

-R-

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Lunar (here)
That's a very interesting way of looking at it Carmody. I wonder if it would have a sound legal argument? It's a great vision to think of a collective mass suing the banks

I paid off all my debts (from being a wild teenager and early twenties) because I realised with them they are literally shackles. Life becomes all work and you are bound to it, a good ploy to detract you from the quest for the self and what's really going on in the world.

Yes, it does have merit as a legal argument.

[Circe]

Don`t Buy! Don`t Comply! Ask Why!

INTERNATIONAL STRIKE APRIL 15-17 2011

United We Strike!
Withdrawing Support From Corrupt Military Industrialists, Banksters, Globalists, And Their Minions!

The time for Peaceful Non-Compliance has come.
We must unite as ONE RACE, the HUMAN RACE.

MISSION STATEMENT
"WE the PEOPLE" Declare Our INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY & GOD GIVEN RIGHTS
We will no longer participate in wars that profit the global powers at the expense of the people.
We will no longer hand over the fruits of our labour to those who abuse and misuse us.
We will not submit to Global Government or Tyranny or Fascism.
We will stand as ONE and withdraw support from Governments Gone Wild.
We will Create A Future We Can ALL Live In
http://www.unitedwestrike.com/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycfxDBqJ4Qk

https://youtube.com/user/RealityChickAhead

[king anthony]

Does it not take a 'foot' to make a step; does it not take 'feet' to walk!?

[Circe]

Posted by king anthony (here)
Does it not take a 'foot' to make a step; does it not take 'feet' to walk!?

We (The Sheeple) need to start walking the walk... peacefully and non violently of course.

[king anthony]

Posted by Circe (here)
We (The Sheeple) need to start walking the walk... peacefully and non violently of course.

Has not peace and 'self-preservation' been confused!? Is not how one begins the reflection of objective with a desired result!? Is it not so, that to some, not to conform to those things imposed is not acceptable regardless!?

Has it not been bred, and enforced, for the herd to comply and do so in a specific way; while others continue!? Has not the success of passive resistance been promoted with no evidence of success!?

Who has perpetuated this type of thought for the herd and for what purpose!? Why must one avoid, at the risk of so much, while the other do what they 'wilt'!? Is it not the fear of conflict a part of conforming to the standards imposed; why have most been given less and less and what little taken - while the few have been given more and more and taken everything!?

I say, can a parent not raise their child in peace, that is until another imposes non-peaceful actions; what strength are words against an aggressor with a 'sword'!? Yes, non-compliance and non-consent are peaceful methods and surly is what one should choose; as anything other is the foundation of how things are. Know and understand yesterday - as tomorrow is the mirror of today.

Who is really the victim and who is really the victimizer; or have both become one of the same!?

[ghostrider]

be very careful, the elite want chaos in the world to justify a need for a NEW WORLD ORDER, I say lets give them the opposite and spoil centuries of planning and make it all for nothing, leave the ptb or illuminate/gov pic your poison with nothing to have or control... free your mind... count me in.. together we can stop them...