Israel and Iran in conflict

[Sue (Ayt)]

Sadly, it appears it is now necessary for this conflict to have a thread of its own.

Constant updates are now appearing here:
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...-24/index.html
(Yeah - CNN... I know. But this is what is being run by MSM)


What we're covering:

Israel has carried out a strike inside Iran, a US official told CNN, in a move that threatens to push the region deeper into conflict. The Israeli military said they "don't have a comment at this time" when asked by CNN about reports of explosions in Iran.

Multiple explosions were heard near a military base in Isfahan province where fighter jets are located, according to reports from Iranian semi-official FARS news. Iranian air defenses have been activated in several provinces.

Reports of the explosions came hours after Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told CNN that if Israel takes any further military action against Iran, its response would be “immediate and at a maximum level.”

Israel had for days been weighing its response to Iran's unprecedented weekend strikes, most of which were intercepted. Iran launched the attack in retaliation for a suspected Israeli strike on its embassy compound in Syria earlier this month.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...-24/index.html

[norman]

Here's some historical context for the Iran situation and the post 2013 middle east arrangement.

In 2014 or 15 Kerry Cassidy interviewed Kameran Faily. Her interest seemed to be mainly focused on a theory of his about 'Planet X' and she was unprepared what he said about the situation in the middle east. She was struggling, slow on the uptake and dragging along as he laid out a very precise and clear picture of what transpired in the middle east in 2013, when:

The then heads of NATO revolted against Obama

The Trilateral Commission was side-lined by the higher-ups,

A deal was offered to Iran,

The Muslim Brotherhood were removed from the whole area,

Israel and Saudi Arabia had their noses pushed out of joint,

Britain and Iran eliminated each other's spy channels to seal the deal.


The deal was to give control of the middle east to Iran in exchange for joining up with the NWO system. Iran had one up front condition which was for the Muslim Brotherhood to be completely removed ( they had just taken power in Egypt and were involved in the Syrian conflicts ).

What followed ( even in the main stream press ) was a rapid completion of all the agreed changes in that deal. The following year, Iran turned up at Davos and merged it's banking system in with the rest of the club.

MP3
The 2013 Iran Deal - (Kameran Faily)

[Rizotto]

This is a very interesting analysis. Was the latest Israel attack on Iran just a minor operation for the sake of saving face? The Iranians deny that anything of consequence happened. But this is probably not over... The Israelis previously said that they would wait until after Passover (April 23) before conduction any retaliation.

⚡EMERGENCY UPDATE: WTF JUST HAPPENED? ISRAEL NEARLY STARTS NUCLEAR WW3 BUT SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fad0X8bqSg

[ExomatrixTV]

So sad to see that there are people still depending on how CNN "sell it to the world" ... in a specific way (just like so many other horrific wars of the past) ... not to mention all other Deep State (WEF/Agenda2030/Woke driven) type mass media.

• And sure, not everything is a lie not everything is a "spin" ... but how much serves a direction they want to us push towards?

Would be nice to have an overview of all non-Deep State (WEF/Agenda2030/Woke driven) type media reporting daily on the Iran/Israel situation.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Open Minded Dude]

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
Sadly, it appears it is now necessary for this conflict to have a thread of its own.

Constant updates are now appearing here:
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...-24/index.html
(Yeah - CNN... I know. But this is what is being run by MSM)


What we're covering:

Israel has carried out a strike inside Iran, a US official told CNN, in a move that threatens to push the region deeper into conflict. The Israeli military said they "don't have a comment at this time" when asked by CNN about reports of explosions in Iran.

Multiple explosions were heard near a military base in Isfahan province where fighter jets are located, according to reports from Iranian semi-official FARS news. Iranian air defenses have been activated in several provinces.

Reports of the explosions came hours after Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told CNN that if Israel takes any further military action against Iran, its response would be “immediate and at a maximum level.”

Israel had for days been weighing its response to Iran's unprecedented weekend strikes, most of which were intercepted. Iran launched the attack in retaliation for a suspected Israeli strike on its embassy compound in Syria earlier this month.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...-24/index.html

Can't bring myself to open a CNN page, never gonna happen.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
Can't bring myself to open a CNN page, never gonna happen.

Ha- yeah, I know. Was just an example of the mainstream hype that broke last night.
It was also prominent on Fox, ABC, NBC, etc etc.

But please do post any relevant reports that can help us get a handle on this evolving situation. Your insights are always welcome!

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[Referee]

Breaking news

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zpVrNonqs7M

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ffEV48zhkuc

[shaberon]

The "missiles" are a spent booster from an unknown air launched missile possibly similar to the Israeli Sparrow that was found in Iraq:

While Iranian media reported that the attack was carried out using drones, wreckage of missiles used in the attack was found in central Iraq, close to the towns of Latifiya and Aziziyah.

That constitutes a reprisal?

How do you know it's not the missile that shot Syria?




Is there any explanation for this:

Posted by norman (here)
The following year, Iran turned up at Davos and merged it's banking system in with the rest of the club.

[Bill Ryan]

From Pepe Escobar today. (Scott Ritter has posted that he does not believe this. His twitter post is below.)

https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/11024

EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.

An EMP attack.

However...

... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.

Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.

In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.

~~~


Scott Ritter's opinion:

Pepe Escobar has written a post where he reports that an Israeli F-35 carrying a nuclear weapon was shot down over Jordan by a Russian fighter.

While I respect Pepe as a journalist, his source is wrong.

Israel would never take such a precipitous action. Not only would it provide public acknowledgment of Israeli nuclear weapons capability, thereby putting Israel in open violation of existing agreements between it and the U.S., it would also put Israel in violation of the 1968 Outer Space Treaty prohibiting the deployment and/or use of nuclear weapons in space and the Biden administration’s recent admonishments in this regard.

Moreover, the scenario describes makes no sense in terms of the characterization of the weapons involved, both in terms of the alleged Russian-Israeli engagement, and what Israel would hope happens regarding EMP.

This is, in every way shape and form nonsensical reporting.

Pepe should retract his post.

~~~
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/...98093320593574

[grapevine]

Putin's Big Anti-Israel Move? Russia To Arm Iran With Its Most Advanced Fighter Jet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZfCDLlRS53Y

(3:42) (Irritating soundtrack - recommend mute)
Iran will receive the first delivery of (12 of) Russia's Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets in the next few days, Iranian media reported on April 20. The delivery of Russian fighter jets to Iran came amid heightened tensions between Israel and the Islamic Republic since the latter’s alleged inception

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
From Pepe Escobar today. (Scott Ritter has posted that he does not believe this. His twitter post is below.)

https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/11024[INDENT]EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

[ ... ]

Here's Ray McGovern, who was immediately asked for his opinion on this. McGovern is as wise as the Old Man of the Mountains, and he replied:

1. It sounded a little hard to believe, but he could not rule it out.
2. Such an incident could not remain hidden for very long, so if this really happened we'll be sure to know the truth fairly soon.
3. In the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wVB7X7mWy3k

[shaberon]

This perhaps is based on another version of is this real:

Iran International published on April 21 what it said were images of before and after the April 19 Israeli attack at an air defense site near the heavily-fortified Natanz nuclear facility close to the city of Isfahan.

The images, which are yet to be verified, indicate that the radar of one of Iran’s S-300PMU2 long-range air defense systems was hit during the attack.

Iran International is an opposition outlet, critical of the Iranian government. It is reportedly funded by Saudi Arabia and headquartered in London, the capital of the United Kingdom.

Neither Israel nor Iran said anything happened.

I would expect Iran has any number of sleeper cells armed with drones and other light weapons, almost none of these being "independent Iranians", but, on some foreign payroll. Therefor Israel can probably minorly "attack" it sometimes. I am not too sure about "secret mysteries of the air force".

[pounamuknight]

We are in epic times

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE

[Bruce G Charlton]

Thanks to Bill for "breaking" this important possible news. As usual, it is worth reminding ourselves that what matters most is what the Big Players believe or know - rather than what we can find-out.

My conclusion is that when a person or nation deliberately cultivates a reputation as a mad dog that might do anything at any time; over the short term, others will try to avoid confrontation with you - and you will probably get your own way... In the short term.

So, this is a tempting strategy.

But in the longer term, a mad dog cannot be tolerated in the vicinity. If it cannot be cured or safely-confined, it will probably be destroyed sooner or later.

And such a reputation is more easily gained than lost.

And because a mad dog can do anything at any time; sooner or later the mad dog will be blamed for atrocities it did not actually commit.

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
From Pepe Escobar today. (Scott Ritter has posted that he does not believe this. His twitter post is below.)

https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/11024[INDENT]EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

[ ... ]

Here's Ray McGovern, who was immediately asked for his opinion on this. McGovern is as wise as the Old Man of the Mountains, and he replied:

1. It sounded a little hard to believe, but he could not rule it out.
2. Such an incident could not remain hidden for very long, so if this really happened we'll be sure to know the truth fairly soon.
3. In the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see.

Absolutely, "Wait and see" or as I have contrived as a motto: "In tempore veritas"

In the meantime, another update from Pepe Escobar via X, below:

VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE

I now have TWO separate, definitive confirmations from TWO ultra high level intel sources from TWO separate Asian nations. Working to get a third - at least a partial acknowledgment.

I moved to Asia 30 years ago. Built a unparalleled network. Trust my top sources a billion per cent.

The original source that led to my first post reconfirmed he stands by it. His words:

"I'm honestly surprised that people are surprised. Do they really think if something like this happened it's gonna be presented to them in front of their TVs? It's like history has taught them nothing."

Working on a first column - probably out tomorrow.

Many thanks to all who offered informed, sharp comment and criticism. This should be a collective effort to get to what might have happened: the shape of it, not necessarily the details as they were leaked.
12:56 PM · Apr 21, 2024

The commentary in the thread is worth noting too.

[Dick]

if they shot down the airplane with a nuclear bomb, what happend with the bomb itself?? didn't it explode.......

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm no expert, but if this shoot-down did occur I would not expect the bomb to explode. To detonate the core of a nuclear device you need a specially shaped implosion. These bombs really aren't that fragile. However, the radiological material within, being most likely plutonium, is highly radioactive. If the housing to this bomb gets damaged leaking plutonium would cause a lot of problems where ever it comes down.

[norman]

Then there's the age old lore around here that 'ET' won't allow use of nukes.

[Bill Ryan]

This Judge Napolitano interview with former CIA analyst Larry Johnson is scheduled for a couple of hours from now.

Did Israel Plan to Nuke Iran?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F6MtZO694Xo