ETs and the Alien God Theory: Fact or Fiction?

[Tam]

Hello, all. I hope you're all doing well.

For a long time now, I've felt that something was...off about UFOlogy. The precise nature or meaning of this "offness" has been something I've had trouble articulating, or pinning down. It's something to do with an insidiousness. A hidden aspect. Deceit.

I've seen bits and pieces of this being discussed on this forum over the years, but as far as I'm aware, there isn't a dedicated thread whose purpose is to discuss and debate the precise nature of the UFO phenomena from a more critical lens. (Mods, feel free to close this thread if there is one)

There are many that discuss the Phenomenon in-depth: its history, figureheads, whistleblowers, key events, eyewitness testimonies, documents, etc.

This thread can have bits of the above peppered in when relevant, but its intention is something a little more specific, and tackles a more unpleasant question:




What if we're completely wrong about the whole thing?





Assuming this to be true, the how and why is the interesting part.

I don't want this thread to posit or promote a singular specific answer as The Factual Truth™.

Instead, I think it should be a place where we discuss all of the various possibilities, regardless or one's own beliefs or opinion. (Meaning you can play Devil's Advocate, as long as it's in good faith )

Perhaps you lean towards the idea that it's all demonic in nature.

Perhaps you lean towards Jacques Vallee's theory, that the Phenomena is some kind of mysterious, unseen intelligence that masquerades as various spiritual manifestations, from fae to djinn to machine elves.

Perhaps you believe it all to be some kind of elaborate psy-op, using a combination of top-secret aircraft technologies and elaborately hoaxed OBEs.

Or perhaps you have an entirely different idea altogether.

Agree or disagree, all perspectives are welcome, and (respectful!) debate encouraged.




== Some questions to open up the floor: ==

• Are aliens really extraterrestrials in the strictly conventional sense (example, Pleiadians really are from the Pleiades physically)?
  
• If not, then what are they, and where are they from?
  
• Why the sudden push for Disclosure?
  
• Why are contactees always so...off?
  
• What does the Phenomena have to gain by telling us they're our creators?
  
• Is there really such a thing as the Galactic Federation, and if so, why are they interested in us?
  
• Why does the hybridization program exist? What is the end goal?

Feel free to add to the list. For now I'll let others state their opinion, before beginning to reveal where my own generally skews towards (so as not to lead the thread in a specific direction)

[Tam]

Just realized that I completely forgot to mention one of the main parts of the title 🤡

The main part in question being the Alien God Theory.

I (personally) have felt this aspect of UFO debate to be particularly fishy.



The theory in question being that humans are not indigenous to planet Earth, that our existence is entirely the result of [INSERT ALIEN RACE HERE'S] game of cosmic Build-a-Bear, and that these space-faring ETs are actually what every deity there ever was...was.

I'm sure you're all familiar with it, since you're reading this thread, on this forum, in the first place. If not, let me know and I'll give a more formal summary.


It is my opinion that this theory is at the crux of the issue as much as the hybridization program is, and I feel there really isn't enough critical discussion of this. Instead it seems most of us said, "Yep, that makes sense" and went on to discuss more important things like how many abdominal muscles a Nordic alien has rippling under their blue spandex.


I always found the Alien God Theory to be dubious for reasons I couldn't (until recently) articulate, but I'll keep quiet on it for now until others have chimed in with their 2 cents, for the same reason as my first post.


Here's another fresh batch of questions to get the ball rolling:


Why would an ET/entity benefit from evangelizing the idea that they created us?

What is it about us that would lead them to tell us this?

Is there something about Earth that makes it particularly precious, or are we just an (admittedly pretty) backwater planet?

If ETs/entities did create us, why would they have done so, beyond what we've been told already?

[Agape]

Hello Tam , from my “experiential” viewpoint , the “offness” has a lot to do with two things ( at least):

One is time dilatation phenomenon and other space-time variables. Some of the contact events we experience last seconds or maximally hours of our “human time”
yet they’re loaded with new information , of “another kind”.

There may be (inaccurate) technical example of what happens in our brain .
For example : if you try to install the latest OS on obsolete smartphone with limited memory capacity without license , you’re performing “jailbreak”.

Your smart device may “simply crash” , “perform far better but with errors”,
“=>go to wonderland”( show things you’ve never seen but behave as it wish ).

Secondly and that’s a bigger yet sortable problem for humanity,
brains operate in custom frequency range.

It’s not a “constant”! Even mere hundred years ago human “natural”, “frequency” and operational - processing brain capacity differed from today and then of course depending on where on the earth have you been born in this and that time.

In our grandparents time ( and older) people talked much less and many never ( ever in their life) fully verbalised their emotions and subtle experiences YET - and unless the time did not virtually attack them they were better understood in their manner than people of today.

Their children - our parental generation- struggled to “break through” the silence and tabu of “sensitive expression” that included anything intimate, religious , spiritual or even “true to themselves”.

In our generation we have been encouraged to be “as true to ourselves” as possible by themselves while they had to fight and compromise against “all that honesty” in us.

If the above did not happen ; some of the society would still adhere to ancient social norms and hierarchical protocols but suppressed abuse would have never ended - in families, schools etc.

Parents are not “Gods”, just realize that for a moment , teachers are not “Gods”, the government is not “God”.

Yet any of the sufficiently adamant, self assured , conceited people with sense of authority can put our brain “off” for a while if they insist.
Worse, by exercising dominance they can artificially create whole range of psycho-pathological damage .

There’s hidden brain centre that can do that and “spills poison” each time when triggered. Maybe some of our latest brain research could find out precisely where is the “evil snake” located and how can it be treated better.

Not talking of criminal intents but nearly normal people, with high IQ - usually , excellent moral profile ( on surface) who start firing at any weaker “subject” or “object of interest” in the way predator tries to paralyse their prey.

Only about 1/3 ( one third) of human populace functions in such clandestine manner.
The other two are either “too good to be true” or “entirely dull” from the first groups perspective.

The “control key” is somewhere there in my distant opinion . A sac of toxins near the limbic complex ( pops up on your neck vertebrae when your life is threatened , in sci-fi movies, don’t test at home : it belongs to animal nature).

If an animal or suppressed human predator are confronted with anything unusual their endocrine system blow up the whole experience almost immediately.

The rest of us .. may go off for a bit after it happens.

In fact probably the above third of human populace would not handle any other “contact” than one from their carefully listed acquaintances.

They are the ones who get extremely enraged at sight of anything unusual in their neighbourhood and “territory protection” means the most to them.

Like it or not it has lots to do with brain development , historical and individual under-development and participation in “animal instincts”( that include carnivorism , cannibalism etc) and perhaps incapacity to function on levels we have not familiarised ourselves with , with ease.

If we take the chance to evolve ourselves ( instead being evolved by somebody according to their norms) our ET contact experiences may be far less “off” in future.







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[ExomatrixTV]

As far as I am aware, the vast majority (if not all) of my fellow UFO researchers (1000s) worldwide NEVER assumed: "Aliens are Gods" ... but they may well be perceived like that in ancient times and because of that it initiated all kinds of (worship based) religions to control the many ... Discussing this possibility is for many religious people highly annoying!

• In my view, Prime Creator is WAY too big for any man-made and/or alien-made religions!
• "ET's and the Alien God Theory" to me sounds like a typical Christian-based title, often with the assumption that many UFO "believers" think we have to "worship" aliens as "gods" (NOT!) ... and "deny" Jesus as our only Savior.
• So many interwoven false assumptions/conclusions that it is not funny anymore.
• Many Christians I personally met face to face in the physical world when I gave 80+ UFO lectures in 5 countries last 34 years, see this as a "spiritual battle" that they have decided NOT to consider anything of what I have to say >>> as their minds are already made up with their tunnel vision judgment: UFOs/Aliens are "Demons" and/or "Fallen Angels" no matter what.

How many assumed assumptions about "The Aliens" are:

• Projected fears?
• Self-imposed limitations?
• Just labels for our limited comprehension?
• Judgments based upon interpretations made by others having a limited agenda?
• Not based upon own experience, rather what others dictated you how to see them?
• Scared to be tricked or being fooled or being lied too, meanwhile those who project those fears are victim of exactly that ... but are not aware of the hypocrisy.
• People who love to be told "how to think & act" not taking own responsibility.

If we all are Alien Souls having a limited human experience with temporary amnesia ... is it possible there are hundreds of different type of aliens (good & bad, just like with humans) that are related to SOME humans on this planet on a soul level?

You see, in my view, most who are FIXED in a narrow path of thinking & judging become just a tool to serve a specific limited agenda claiming to "save souls" but actually do the opposite ... They INJECT fear-based limitations and demand you follow their "conclusions/assumptions".

If you fear cats or dogs because you had a traumatic experience in the past as a child >>> your FEARS can be detected by them in the present, and they will act differently because you become unpredictable & irrational, even dangerous to them. Now imagine that ANY alien would sense something similar but 100 times stronger. In short: You reap what you sow.

And "demons" which is just a label we use ... may not be interested in you if you are 100% fearless ... so it begs the question ... how much fear is spread to feed the perception of being "victim of demonic creatures"? ... It is almost like the same question as: "what was first, the chicken or the egg"?

And I am all for being highly skeptical of the intentions of ANY alien contacting you, me, all of us ... that is not my issue ... the main issue is: PRESUMPTIONS blocking you from having a genuine positive experience falsely assuming "it can never happen" based upon injected fears done by someone else.

• Similar to what Christians said about the Native Americans, calling them "dangerous savages" in the 1500s, 1600s & 1700s Century. Very similar rhetoric with huge long-term consequences.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

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[Open Minded Dude]

For what it's worth, I came across the view quite often now that all of reality is virtual and that we are consciousness(es) that experience this with avatars (we as humans, the player being our 'higher selves'). I share some elements of it but not all.

Aliens and any other 'beings' - good or negative (demons, angels, fairies, etc.) - are just NPCs to 'test' us or to play with us and thus no 'real' entities. In some variations of this hypothesis, even the rest of the 'universe' such as outer space, etc. (and here this way of thinking aligns somewhat with the 'flat earth' theories) is just bogus or a tapestry. It's almost like the pre-set theatre stage for our play that we enter and use since we ourselves are 'merely' players (remember Shakespeare?) for a while in this virtual reality game called 'Earth Life'.

Within this game, anything that presents itself as 'alien' or otherwise paranormal intelligence is explainable by the larger consciousness system (reality computer) 'testing' us or playing with us, kind of just a prop on that stage .. or an NPC in a game. On a positive note, it is all seen as educational tools/devices/'props' that are setting parameters and cause events for our own soul growth, or to make the game more interesting by including 'external' factors.

Not sure what to make of this but it is interesting. And can we really entirely discount it all?

[Bill Ryan]

This might be relevant and interesting... copying this from my January 2024 post on my thread titled Two ET civilizations: speculations to consider:

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I was reading this (copied below) yesterday, and it struck me that there may be a close connection between what 'Janus' is explaining, and the second, highly advanced ET civilization that I was trying to describe.

The extract comes from a terrific book called Sounds from Another Room, by Sir Peter Horsley, a former senior English RAF commander, who was very well connected in the highest echelons of British society and has his own Wikipedia page here. The book is in The Avalon Library.

He has a whole chapter devoted to UFOs, which he took extremely seriously, citing a bunch of evidence that he had personally collected. Then out of the blue, in 1954, he was invited by a correspondent to meet with a man who was introduced to him as 'Mr Janus'.

He only met him once, and 'Mr Janus' presented to Horsley an authoritative account of the UFO/ET phenomenon that Horsley wrote down immediately after the meeting in as much detail as he could. He was impressed that 'Mr Janus' seemed to know exactly what he was thinking and feeling, and the strong impression he came away with as that this man was not human.

The whole section is worth reading carefully. It can be found easily by searching for 'Janus' in the PDF. But below is the part that caught my attention and prompted me to make this post.

My only added comment is that I don't think this is necessarily the full explanation for 'God' per se, but simply what I felt was a fully plausible account of how some highly advanced ETs had long ago attained what we would consider Godiike powers and abilities, and in that guise may sometimes be interacting with us right now. This is a very close match to what I was trying to describe above in this thread.

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It was at this juncture that I felt the full force of this strange man’s personality as he spoke with such authority and conviction.

‘Go back to the very beginning when the giant wave of elements left the galaxies behind as it swept through space. Within these galaxies suns and planets mixed in the right conditions for biochemical action to give birth to all sorts of cellular life, and in just one to develop the first men and women in exactly the same way that they evolved on Earth – the first Man, only billions of years older in a distant planet, a replica of Earth. According to the laws of probability not an unlikely event. In the course of time they developed, as you have, into highly intelligent beings, experiencing their dark ages as well as their golden ones, periods of great scientific and technological achievements, exploring the universe and the abundance of life forming around them. But they were only too aware of the one essential thing missing; their universe was nothing but a natural phenomenon. Their world was like a ship without a rudder, coming from nowhere, going nowhere. There was no captain, no creative intelligence shaping the destiny of the universe.

‘They witnessed only the bubbling in a vast cosmic test tube – birth, a span of life, death with no future, no hope. The irrationality of infinite space became intolerable and the determination to create something more beautiful, more lasting, became overpowering. So, over a vast span of time, they struggled to overcome decay of the physical body and finally to develop a spirit separate from the body. Medical science gave them the means of prolonging their own lives almost indefinitely, their society developed to the most remarkable degrees of will and intelligence. They had overcome the urge to kill and wage war, and had come to love intensely all life but particularly their own kind of life, Man. They developed great powers, the power of will over matter so that they were able to influence and control nature and events. In the end they found the ultimate key, to dispense with their physical bodies altogether and become intelligences free from the shackles of time and space, to integrate finally into one great universal intelligence. This Great Force was then able to influence and bring order into the whole universe and where life was most prolific and creative it steered the evolution of Man in their own original image.

‘Man, wherever he developed, could not help being aware of this influence and called it by all sorts of names in different religious groups, but the wand and the wizard is the same. Man touched by the current strives too to overcome death and join the heavenly force, constantly charging and revitalizing this cosmic battery so that its power remains everlasting.

‘The universe is full of planets sustaining higher forms of life, millions in the galaxies, thousands in our own where Man is growing in various stages of development, some like yourselves in the early stages and some close to the very source of the creator.

‘Man was given the gift of tapping this source. Whenever Man cries out for help he appeals to the original promise – to Jehovah, God or whatever he has come to call him. His prayers and collective will-power are the essential link to the source and when it is ignored Man sinks to his lowest level. There is no personal God who rewards or punishes each individual. It is a far more exciting and grandiose concept than that. The gift gives man incredible potential for both good and evil since within the source itself there are memories of Man’s weaknesses and evil, and Man was given the choice to be Cain or Abel.

‘There is nothing in this concept of God to offend any religion and, indeed, it does not radically contradict any of the great religious books. There are many different paths leading to the top of the spiritual mountain. Only the words are different. You talk about God, miracles, life after death, Heaven. Why God gives his grace and gifts in profusion to some and withholds it from others remains a mystery, but faith and trust remain essential to divinity. God provides enough evidence through his emissaries and their power of the miraculous to encourage Man in this faith.

‘What happens to the spirit when the physical body decays? Do all live on after death, even the little dead babies and the mentally afflicted? This remains another of God’s mysteries, although there are clues; in Christianity, Christ said it was no easy matter to achieve everlasting life. It was no automatic right. Divinity has to be earned and depends upon Man’s own willpower and spiritual recognition of God’s existence, however weak; after all, Christ thought the thief on the cross was worth enough to justify redemption.

‘There are those, however, who have rejected God’s touch and to these mindless creatures life becomes an automatic process. These are the takers, never the givers, the destroyers never the creators. In their case almost as soon as the match was struck they blew it out. They have no part in the eternal plan but pass through it sightless. The plan is a great one requiring all sorts of spiritual talents to fulfil, and many seeds and crops are scattered over the fields of the universe. As long as the search and desire for truth lives on the seed ripens and matures, but when it does not then it withers and dies.

‘I have tried to give you a glimpse of the great concourse of space because it is against this background that you should consider its exploration and its explorers. There are differing views and theories about the objects you call flying saucers. There are those who would have them travelling along the trails of space to deliver prophetic messages of nuclear doom or those who see them as a substitute for a tribal God. There are the fiction writers who portray their crews in every horrible guise, invading and pillaging the world.

‘But in reality they are none of these things but like yourselves, inhabitants of a planet exploring the outer islands of their galaxy. You may well ask, why come to Earth at all? The answer is that this traffic is only a thin trickle in the vast highways of the universe; the Earth after all is a galactic backwater inhabited by only half-civilized men, dangerous even to their own neighbours. However, that does not stop explorers wishing to find out more about Earth just as your own people travel to some particularly uncomfortable and dangerous spots in your own planet.

‘Why, you may say, don’t they land and make contact? Most of these vehicles are robot-controlled, space probes monitoring what is going on. Some are manned in order to oversee the whole programme and to ensure the probes do not land or crash by accident. They must also ensure that evidence of their existence is kept away from the vast majority of Earth’s population. You must be well aware of the damage which your own explorers have done by appearing and living among simple tribes, often leading to a complete disintegration of their society and culture as happened to the Indian and Eskimo. Such impact is far too indigestible and only the most developed societies can cope with such contact.

‘Imagine what would happen if the headlines in the world press announced the arrival of a spaceship with a mission of space people. Apart from the psychological shock that there actually were other races far superior to any developed society on Earth there would be complete panic about the motives of such an invasion. There is little doubt its crew, if you could catch them, would be subjected to the most humiliating interrogation and treatment.

‘The knowledge you might acquire through contact and communication could have effects as disastrous as the so-called benefits of civilization had on the Indians and the Eskimos. This knowledge must come slowly to those most able to assimilate it in the fullness of time. The basic principle of responsible space exploration is that you do not interfere with the natural development and order of life in the universe any more than you should upset or destroy an ant heap or bee-hive. Man has a lot to learn before he embarks on deep space travel. If you were ready now, which you are not, you would only approach other inhabitants with the deepest of suspicion, inflicting your weapons and diseases upon them in the same irresponsible manner that you are busily destroying wild life on earth. You will have to grow a lot older and learn how to behave on your own planet, if indeed you do not blow yourselves up between times, before you are ready for galactic travel.

‘Since time immemorial there have been tales of vessels coming out of the sky bringing strange visitors. Observers do come among you and make contact on a very selective basis where they judge that such contact could not harm either party. These observers have studied the Earth for a long time. With advanced medical science they have been fitted with the right sort of internal equipment to allow their bodies to operate normally until they leave. It is not very difficult to obtain the right sort of clothes and means to move around quite freely. Your own explorers will appear enormously cumbersome in comparison but then at first they will be operating in the very hostile environments within your solar system. The observers are not interested in interfering in your affairs, but once you are ready to escape from your own solar system it is of paramount importance that you have learnt your responsibilities for the preservation of life everywhere.

‘It is equally important that other planetary travellers and inhabitants know something about this outer island, its society and intentions. While you are still far away from travelling in deep space, such contacts will be infrequent and must be conducted with great secrecy. Life in your own solar system is rudimentary and you can do little damage, but once you discover the existence of higher forms of life and intelligent men then the dangers will arise through your own fear and misunderstanding.

'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

It was what Janus had left unsaid that was fantastic. He had subtly separated himself during the conversation to leave me with the impression that he was not one of us, gradually insinuating that he was an observer. His personality was so powerful and hypnotic that already I was wondering what to do about him. Janus once more read my thoughts correctly. ‘Because what I have told you is entirely foreign you are sensing danger. You are wondering who or what I am?’ At this juncture he stopped and I felt that was all he had to say. I thanked him and said I would have to think about his request as I was not in a position to promise anything now. He showed no sign of disappointment at my apparent lack of enthusiasm and as I was clearly expected to leave I did so with brief goodbyes.

[Ernie Nemeth]

In the real world there are no degrees. Pertinent to this particular discussion, there is no outside or inside, only totality.

The outside world is a wish. It is a manifestation of a question. What is that question, succinctly: "What if?". It matters not what the "what if?" question refers to. Any questioning leads to the necessary condition of 'not knowing'. It is this 'not knowing' that populates the outside world with ghosts and phantasms.


We are, in our present self-inflicted condition, merely a membrane between the two worlds. Our stance of 'not knowing' brought about by our continual "what if?" fantasies creates chaos inside and outside so that both become 'alien' to our supposed reality. We cannot stay faithful to either position because we have chosen not to know.


There is a correction.

The peace of God is totally incapable of being shaken by error of any kind. It denies the ability of anything not of God to affect you. This is the proper use of denial. It is not used to hide anything, but to correct error.

This is where the miracle comes in.

The miracle, being a way of perceiving, is not knowledge. It is the right answer to a question, but you do not question what you know. Questioning illusion is the first step in undoing them. The miracle, or the right answer, corrects them.

That is why miracles are natural and can be easily performed by anyone if even merely temporarily in their 'right' mind.
You do not have to be a saint to perform miracles, only temporarily sane.

[TrumanCash]

As far as the ETs being "gods" subject goes, I stumbled onto that subject in the mid-90s while working with numerous abductees. In 1991 or thereabouts I just wanted know why I was being abducted. I never studied or was interested in UFOs or ETs even though I had seen a typical "flying saucer" with my brother, sister and mother in 1957. I never studied the ancient gods in "mythology". My research documentation is on my "Matrix Revealed" thread and my books, "The Programming of a Planet" & "The Eye of Ra" are free to read here on Avalon: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ysis-Solutions

They were called "gods" because they told their "chosen ones" that they were "gods" and demanded to be worshipped and obeyed. Anyone can do the same research with abductees and verify this. It took me several years of research with abductees to discover this so it can't realistically be done in a short amount time and requires a great deal of dedication. Anyone who takes the time to do this research will be amazed how all the dots connect and can be historically verified.

[East Sun]

i think that crop-circles and a certain type of ET are closely related.

Anyone who knows about crop circles knows that they are mysterious.

Add them to the questions about ET's.

[Agape]

It just occurred to me to add something most people of today get to understand, regardless their faith.

Of ETs and Humans : Suppose there is a moment in the multiverse of reality ( comprising of many momentums = dimensional navigational vectors) that provide opportunity of meeting , encounter, there is the reality of knowing of each other ( personally).

The rest is an hearsay.

Without direct knowledge, you don’t know real nature of this and that person , even if they’re your “idol” in whatever terms unless you’ve met them personally it’s nearly impossible to say who and how they come through in real times. This is not because they could “conceal so many details” , not even because the food we eat,
they may be spinning quite differently .

Perhaps the opportunity we have so daringly taken to discuss people “of another kind” is because they’re more harmonious and more alike.
To those who have encountered them they’re for most part better readable than many humans.

Now the important part, for those who have not met them directly but develop their own semi-religious system around it I say that no advanced entity encouraged you to do that.

As DNA (our member) said in another thread,”they’re also but corporeal beings”.

Anything sufficiently advanced will look like God to humans,

believe me : we are done and over with that civilisation nonsense in the year 2024.

Perhaps we have not conquered global poverty and did not tame all the wars yet.

But even here in India where everyone is somewhat religious or used to be ; there’s nothing in the material world that would convince anyone of being God because we have all the idea and knowledge of all times on “how to create Divine Experience” by any means, over millennia and ages of human evolution.
We know how to create the way Hollywood or State Opera create, perfect allusion of another reality.

So if no one can convince us verbally or metaphysically of anything that truly is, how can you have “faith”.

You don’t need faith , you know.

It’s the same for all the rest of religions , the same for judicial and legal systems and your Faith in them , faith in politics and governments, faith in Nations, faith in mega projects and so forth ,
we all realize now - perhaps more painfully than ever - that your faith won’t save your life but your knowledge will .

People commit the gravest mistakes in their destiny for believing, relying on something, be it a system ,
in case of today’s global systems replacing major religions and empires , the mass of billions of people crawling out of the mud bowl where someone else threw them previously they too realise they’re again asked “to have faith”.

Even the few people who claimed to met God face to face, claimed him “ a friend”. Not a frenemy.

But people who have “never dialed his number”,
develop complicated rules and fantasies about what time to talk to God , in what dress , what to offer etc. and call it religion.

[ God who are those people deceiving us all the way along ?]


I had a communication with the heavenly lore one day, some time ago , who knows about what really but it sequentially followed some rituals in the village ,
each in their own faith and customs .

And then I had a funny moment one morning someone “from above” was saying , in very casual unexcited voice: “I’m surprised you people have any good customs. To me it’s not important ...”.

I laughed , at all the circus.



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And further the problem with human faith : wherever you place your faith , if sufficiently strong , the faith will manifest as a vector of possible reality.
You may manifest as many as possible navigational vectors of inter or extra dimensional realties , well unless - and that’s our close circuit situation - we crash in the global traffic.

It IS A state of reflection but hardly a way out of it.

A way to create more chaos
how can it lead to better reflection.


In order to make contact with advanced and benevolent civilisation we would have to create such circumstances on Earth that are peaceful and benevolent.

Why waiting for “them” to come to tell us that Peaceful and Benevolent manners are the only acceptable norm in “intelligent universe”?


Or are “we humans” playing Gods , the only ones in galaxy defending our peace with missiles sharply pointing out our undisclosed fear of being alone ,

are we able indeed to get over the paradigm we have created in dark hours of social repression , the Kraken we woke from our own Soul Abyss .

We have been , mostly subdued through the last decades of technical indoctrination of recent but we were not asleep. Some worked 24/7 to move the horizons and so also now,

our horizons are bigger ..and of standing.




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[norman]

Posted by Agape (here)

So if no one can convince us verbally or metaphysically of anything that truly is, how can you have “faith”.

You don’t need faith , you know.

There's a lot of confusion about this. 'Faith' is just a word and that word may or may not have at one time been distinctly different from belief based religion or religious conviction but at this time it's always used interchangeably with those kinds of word definitions. I don't know where the word 'faith' came from or the other words either. All I know is that when any of those words are used to try to drag people up from being disinterested into a state of alignment with those who use those words to influence it's an inversion of the true condition or state of what I still use the word 'faith' for.

You used the word 'know' for it just as distinctly but neither of us with our words 'know' and 'faith' can flip the meaning back from an intellectual facsimile of the true meaning to the true meaning just by applying or inserting those words within an intellectual discussion or argument. 'Knowing', as you call it, is not an intellectual thing. That tends to baffle intellectuals because they intellectually associate the word with their highest objectification of their own pre determining intellects. Language, applied in the abstract of the intellect can only go around in circles confined by it's own pre determination and resulting rules of objectivity.

To wander a little astray, I'll say that I suspect our human cerebral 'real-estate' has been, in the past, captured and forcibly intellectualised into degenerating through a kaleidoscopic array of translation processes by which most of what you call knowing and I call faith has been lost in those translation processes and replaced by the impossible intellectual conundrum, leaving the way clear for externalised fakery of our faith or knowing.

[Agape]

Norman & all : I came to conclusion ( non colliding type of ..) that “Faith” and “Knowing” in their purest sense are eventually equal to us because we base our decisions in internal principles , no matter what’s the case.

Sometimes we “don’t know” but have faith ,
sometimes we know and have faith,
sometimes we don’t have faith and either know or not

yet our decisions do not depend it, not overly so,

we still follow what we consider the best pathway,

practically speaking.

Everything in our observable universe that is distant from us is also delayed from us and then it’s a matter of time when it “comes to our direct knowledge”.

We may spend lots of time on deliberations on why something/someone is late to show up or whether it will , in the meantime we can do what we are capable of doing.

In more than one way, clear mind is happy mind.

Not burdened too much with what we know ( information overload) or what we believe would be the best ( pure faith sometimes “knows better” than “know, know” because it may be intuitive intelligence even if circumstances deny it).

In life matters I figured out, what we know is the best solution or approach often gets denied, hijacked , destroyed.

So again we have no option than to rely on guiding principles we trust the most . I believe .

[Kindred]

Humans have called Some of the 'ET's' 'Gods' because these particular beings KNOW that they Create their Reality - INCLUDING their corporeal bodies and EVERYTHING around them, Knowingly creating those objects that they require As Needed, and then Un-creating them when they Don't .... EACH OF US do the Same Thing - it's just that we Don't remember that we do so, and because we don't remember, (and believe that the 'physical' objects are 'permanent'), the objects persist. This is the 'veil' of forgetfulness that envelopes us when we are born. (this phenomena regarding the 'veil' is detailed in Thiaoouba Prophecy)

Each of us is a holographic fractal of Source - we Each contain the Whole. The Infinite Energy that Creates our Universe Radiates Outward from the center of Each of our beings. If one person sees a 'green' object, another person may see that 'same' object as 'blue-green'... that's because We Each Create Our Own 'object' from our individual viewpoint, for each of us Creates our Own Universe. Because we are in telepathic communication with EVERYTHING Around Us, All The Time, we Create a Consensus Reality where we all agree to the size and placement of 'objects' that we Create. (This phenomena ties into the 'veil' aspect and is described by 'Seth' (by Jane Roberts) in several of his books. As Seth has stated, many of our scientists know that the phenomena exists, but don't understand the mechanisim involved.)

Now... as to this aspect of 'forgetfulness'. I was reviewing the book Iarga (a book about a UFO first-hand account from 1969) and was Struck by a portion of the 'introduction' by the author. I had forgotten this part as I had read it over a decade ago, but will paste that portion here for everyone to read. Here is the link to the pdf version of that book from the Avalon Library which includes the introduction.
https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Wen...et%20Iarga.pdf

The partial intro:

The reason for their visit is so strange that preliminary explanation is necessary. The human race lives in complete isolation from the other intelligent races for as long as the so-called "transformation phase" continues. The plan of creation demands that we, like all others, complete the transformation phase in ignorance of our origin and our purpose. Through this we, create our individual identity and, at the same time, have the opportunity to develop our godlike talents by exploiting our creative powers and defining them, thereby earning our immortality.

The number of talent fractions is not infinite, so the time must come that the numbers of man are fulfilled . When this happens, the transformation phase will be terminated by certain external encroachments that will subjugate the will and sovereignty of the human race. The plan of creation forbids interference in the development of an ignorant race, thus the necessity for the planting of knowledge here on Earth. This knowledge appears to be comprehensive.

To begin, the complete scientifically verifiable story of the creation, from the creation of time, matter, and energy from nothing; to the goal of the creation of the universe: the cosmic integration of all the intelligent races in one all-encompassing consciousness that is beyond our understanding. In this we are given a glimpse of the wonderful future that awaits Us. Beside this, a great deal of information regarding ourselves, our origin, our development, the present transformation process, the spiritual development after death, our creation mandate, and our future is given.

The first point is the most important, only when we under-stand the creation process, and in particular the development process of man, can we understand and accept the reason for the external interference that will take place in the near future. Without this knowledge the interference would be useless and therefore undesirable.

Lastly, their information includes a general description of other intelligent races and their different evolution cycles, which will enable Us to approach a determination of our unique position in the midst of an incredible number of intelligent races.

The fundamental reason for this book is the abolition of Earth's isolation and the announcement of the fulfilling of the numbers of man . Our first mandate was carried out in ignorance, the second will be carried out in full consciousness. The only question that remains is to what extent does this book reach its goal of removing the Earth's cosmic isolation.

The question is all the more impelling when it is said that I had to give my word never to attempt to prove the existence of Iarga, because this would damage the individual freedom of mankind. I have fought with this problem for many years, until at last the problem solved itself. Even though I shall continue to avoid giving a direct answer to the question of the veracity of this story, the immensity of Earth-alien knowledge contained in this book will serve to prove beyond a doubt that the planet Iarga is not fiction, but fact.

-----------end of excerpt

You will note that I highlighted some phrases... particularly the 'numbers of man'. When you read the book, you'll find that this refers to the Actual # of People on the Planet... if We Do NOT achieve this #, we will be unable to Fulfill humanity's destiny 'this time around'... i.e; we will remain in ignorance and thus subject to Continued Enslavement to the 'powers that shouldn't be'.

NOW do you understand WHY the 'powers' want to kill as many of us as possible? It's so that THEY can continue to rule over what's left of Us - at least for another 12,000 years, which the 'reset cycle' that occurs on Earth due to it's orbit around the galaxy and it's passage through the electro-magnetic current sheet which is fleshed out via the 'electric universe' theory by both the Thunderbolts Project, the Diehold Foundation, and Ben Davidson/Suspicious Observers.

P.S.) I'll also point out that the Iargans confirm the Fact of Jesus... and to flesh that narrative out, you Really need to read Thiaoouba Prophecy.

in Unity, Peace and LOVE

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Tam (here)
...

If ... BIG "IF" ... some Alien Races in far ancient times were actually "Master Geneticists" (100,000s of years ahead of us!) that needed to adjust certain native Earth genes in such a way they adapt to the physical circumstances/environment that is "hostile" for them >>> but not for the native creatures roaming the earth for millions of years.

On top of that they may know (somehow) how to "incarnate" in new physical bodies that are made much smarter ("upgraded brain capacity") than the rest of the native Earth creatures (like: apes, neanderthals, reptilians etc. etc.).

• If this is what happened, would you see them as "Gods" >>> or much more like parasitical manipulators & predators posing as "Gods" exploiting the weak?

You see, most Christians I personally met last 34 years do not like to consider this possibility, they rather keep their focus on "demonology" & "fallen angels" concepts and dismiss any other option >> by default!

What if we all are "fallen angels" to a degree ... learning to be humble again as we fell from grace on a Soul level ... So we are here to learn something we can not learn in an "eternal paradise" where "everything is perfect" (no "challenges" over-there!).

• yeah, this would super-duper annoying for many religious people to consider! (and understandable so).

I would not be surprised that this actually the reason WHY so much is "allowed to happen" over here.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳

100% related:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qDmuvOIDO7w

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M1PIXZr-ZpU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QZIS0AnNa9c

See also this.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Kindred]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

What if we all are "fallen angels" to a degree ... learning to be humble again as we fell from grace on a Soul level ... So we are here to learn something we can not learn in an "eternal paradise" where "everything is perfect" (no "challenges" there!).

Why would you play around with 'physical matter' once you KNOW you Actually CREATE IT via your Conscious Thought?

John 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”

John 10:34 King James Version (KJV)
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Edit: OOPS! I messed up and didn't leave the correct quote from Exomatrix's post: here is the passage I Meant to include:

"If ... BIG "IF" ... some Alien Races in far ancient times were actually "Master Geneticists" (100,000s of years ahead of us!) that needed to adjust certain native Earth genes in such a way they adapt to the physical circumstances/environment that is "hostile" for them >>> but not for the native creatures roaming the earth for millions of years.

On top of that they may know (somehow) how to "incarnate" in new physical bodies that are made much smarter ("upgraded brain capacity") than the rest of the native Earth creatures (like: apes, neanderthals, reptilians etc. etc.)."


I'll also add that, since we actually Create our corporeal being through Unconscious AND Conscious thought, it stands to reason that our DNA is ALSO a product of these same processes... as Seth has said; "Consciousness evolves and creates it's own form."

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." Max Planck, father of Quantum Physics

ALL THERE IS, is CONSCIOUSNESS.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Kindred (here)
...

Where we came from (our Soul origins) "existence is a gift" ...
When we are here on Earth ... "experience is the gift".

John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
Near Death Experiencer

• see also this.

[Helvetic]

"Observer" = Watcher

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

[norman]

Posted by Helvetic (here)
"Observer" = Watcher

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

And "Watchers" equals entities of dubious intent.

All the work of others I've listened to points to them being Lucifer's Goons more than watching.

[Helvetic]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Helvetic (here)
"Observer" = Watcher

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

And "Watchers" equals entities of dubious intent.


All the work of others I've listened to points to them being Lucifer's Goons more than watching.

Not really Norman. From my own experiences I can tell you that they also call themselves Lucifer. But Lucifer means "Light maintainer" this has nothing to do with the devil. The statue of Liberty is also a Lucifer. The watchers are the middle men between the "The Collective" and people with certain tasks, missions.

By the way, in the book Bill Ryan mentioned there is a very nice description of what "The Collective" is:

"In the end they found the ultimate key, to dispense with their physical bodies altogether and become intelligences free from the shackles of time and space, to integrate finally into one great universal intelligence. This Great Force was then able to influence and bring order into the whole universe and where life was most prolific and creative it steered the evolution of Man in their own original image."

[norman]

Posted by Helvetic (here)

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Helvetic (here)
"Observer" = Watcher

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

And "Watchers" equals entities of dubious intent.


All the work of others I've listened to points to them being Lucifer's Goons more than watching.

The statue of Liberty is also a Lucifer.

Exactly, that's how deeply fake and IN IT we are.

And, someone more literate than I really needs to write about 'Light'. A well polished turd will sparkle with it but it's still a turd.