Is CIVIL WAR in America coming?

[ozmirage]

The Achilles Heel

Thought bomb - what if all those "illegal aliens" were to learn that if they expatriated, acquired a domicile, and thus became free inhabitants, they would rise to sovereign status?

As non-citizens, they don't participate in the democracy, so they don't aid any partisan party.
As non-resident inhabitants, they cannot enroll in SocSec (Nor would they wish to - because they'd lose sovereign status).
As non-socialists, they are not eligible for taxpayer funded freebies.

BUT
They would have all their Creator endowed rights, and the "right" to be in America. They would have the right to life, natural and personal liberty, inherent powers, absolute ownership of private property, and so on.
In no other country could they rise to such status.
They would be the social and legal equals of every other monarch on the planet. All other nobility would be a step down from them.
I would think that they would no longer be any threat to the government insituted to secure THEIR SOVEREIGNTY, from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Of course, the Powers That Be might be miffed.

[Ratszinger]

It would have to be squatters because if they bought a domicile they would have to pay the taxes to buy it and annual taxes based on tax value to keep from the man from taking it from them and squatters usually have to answer to a court at some point unless they flee. Squatters arrested

[norman]

This interview is really a promo for a book.

Matt Bracken, ex navy seal and now author of several doomy fiction works, has the doomiest outlook for America of anybody's.

He says complete collapse is now inevitable and the subject of the book he's nearly completed is about the brutal recovery method for just Texas and Louisiana, based on fuel creation and a ruthless purge of all non local born people. His first few books accurately predicted real turns of events 15 years ahead of time so maybe his new book is worth a read.

Bracken has only scathing contempt for real world US military capabilities.


Matt Bracken joins Mike Adams with ominous prediction about the DEFEAT of the US military and the COLLAPSE of the empire
Feb 1st 2024

- US civil war risk with guest Matt Bracken. (0:00)

- Texas-US border crisis and potential collapse of global economy. (1:14)

- US military capabilities and geopolitical tensions. (10:32)

- Post-collapse recovery efforts and geopolitical tensions. (14:47)

- Geopolitics, military technology, and potential conflicts. (19:36)

- US military obsolescence and profit-driven defense policies. (24:45)

- Military technology and incentives for engineers. (30:04)

- US military spending and foreign policy. (34:50)

- US Empire collapse triggers and geopolitical tensions. (39:45)

- Post-collapse economics and patriotism in Texas. (48:03)

Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/788181ea-a851-4700-ba1d-32994771181f

[Ernie Nemeth]

What is free about 'acquiring property'? Certainly not the property or the perpetual taxes levied against it. Who owns the property before it is acquired? Do we imagine niceand poor little normal Janes and Johns, or to make it current, Mahameds and Prias, exchanging property amongst themselves?

How civilized. How Democratic.

Also, let's examine this action of 'to acquire' to see what it truly means.
For most it means ask the bank to buy it in your name. So 'to acquire' really means get the bank to buy it. Then we plebs have to work 20 - 30 years to pay the bank back with interest, which amounts to buying TWO homes in reality - one for yourself and one for the bank...

Good deal...for the banks.


So this vaunted concept of freedom, whether in a parliamentary form or republican form still results in the fact that freedom is not free at all. In fact, freedom is the most expensive state imaginable. The unholy truth is that most people cannot afford 'freedom' of this sort at all.
'Freedom', like life on this planet, is nothing but an illusion.

[palehorse]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
...
Also, let's examine this action of 'to acquire' to see what it truly means.
For most it means ask the bank to buy it in your name. So 'to acquire' really means get the bank to buy it. Then we plebs have to work 20 - 30 years to pay the bank back with interest, which amounts to buying TWO homes in reality - one for yourself and one for the bank...

Good deal...for the banks.
...

and if Mohamed or Prias can't afford to pay the installments anymore for whatever reason, they will be toasted losing it all. So banks can go to hell, I would rather become a squatter than a mortgagor, the truth of the matter is many squatters start to pay taxes after several years and become the "owner" of the land, it works mainly for land and some squatters live their entire life without paying a single penny in taxes, so no mortgage in the process either way. But most people see it as politically incorrect HAHA

De facto freedom is illusion.


I say that openly for many years now, grab your piece of public land from your beloved government, if they ever catch you, then go through the process of "legalizing" it, in most cases if one is far away from big centers nobody will come to bother.

[scotslad]

apologies if covered elsewhere, but this is a trailer for an upcoming movie
about a potential civil war in the usa...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w

Got me thinking (perhaps too much, but curopus what you think...)

At its core, does this movie (out April 24), raise thought-provoking questions about the relationship between art and reality? In a time when political tensions are running high and social divisions seem deeper than ever, will this film challenge audiences and viewers to consider the ways in which art can both reflect and influence the world around us?

Is it sewing a seed that many are thinking, or is it just another big budget action flick popcorn fest?

Does the portrayal of a modern civil war on screen serve as a cautionary tale, a mirror held up to our society's flaws and vulnerabilities? Or does it risk romanticising violence and perpetuating harmful stereotypes, narratives and divisions?

Perhaps just another action film, but is the role of Hollywood attempting to shape public perception and discourse? In an era dominated by blockbuster spectacles and glossy entertainment, will this movie offer a stark contrast by presenting a gritty, morally complex exploration of a timely and urgent subject matter and to serve as a warning to all?

Will it prompt audiences to critically examine the ways in which the media can manipulate, distort, or sensationalise reality for the sake of entertainment or profit, and what the potential consequences of such manipulation can have on public opinion and the collective consciousness, or am I just the only one wrongly looking at this?

Will viewers get drawn into the gripping narrative of a "fictional" modern day civil war and thus, are compelled to confront uncomfortable truths about the fragility of democracy, the power of propaganda, and the inherent human capacity for both empathy and cruelty?

I'm unsure, but I feel it might just challenge us all to reflect on our own roles as citizens, consumers, and participants in the ongoing "drama" of society, and to consider the responsibilities that come with wielding the power of storytelling in an increasingly fractured world (and more so now with the use of Deep fake ai and cgi)

Then again, should I just wait for its release on Netflix and switch off, and allow it to enterdrain my brain for a couple of hours?


Curious to your take.

[shaberon]

Posted by palehorse (here)
...and if Mohamed or Prias can't afford to pay the installments anymore for whatever reason, they will be toasted losing it all. So banks can go to hell, I would rather become a squatter than a mortgagor

Sharia law forbids mortgage and the Quran recommends debt forgiveness.

Mortgage was certainly a practice the American Revolution and Jeffersonian policy were vehemently against. Nevertheless, in the 1800s, it turned into a program of acquiring farm land, transferring it from the little people to the banks.

Nothing beneficial can come from non-productive dampers on one's home or labor.

Something probably is useful about the Soviet system that would guarantee you a small, cheap apartment. If you have the ambition for something more then go for it, but there is no excuse to drive everyone into legions of homelessness just "because".


The English have learned to talk like American dictators:


Victory in the war on inflation will require British workers to accept lower pay deals and companies to rein in their profits, a senior Bank of England policymaker announced.



First of all quit announcing a war on everything. It is fantasy, like a Zionist ground assault with no objectives. You can't attack an abstract. This is plain stupid.

The rest of the article is unnecessary, it is a set of excuses about why the Bank of England, nominally in control of everything that has ever been seen by the Hubble telescope, has no difficulty with you poor and the government giving your future to the immediate detriment of Ukraine and Israel.


Here, no, I would still say no Civil War is possible, because that would mean some faction is fighting to gain control of the government. What we would have is the opposite, to get rid of it. In fact, we have already tried this one time, and what did we get, more or less a genocide. Just look at some of the things the U. S. Army did where it claimed the people were its own subjects. That is what dragged us into the chains of subjugation.

Or, the perpetual debt started with this National Bank grew to become friends with the Big Brother Bank of England.

To exalt some other abstract like "freedom" while proceeding in this manner is just a ruse. Anything to keep you off of fundamentals like these assumed notions that "have to be this way" most definitely do not.

[Bill Ryan]

[Lilyofthestars]

Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

Thanks for your view .... in your personal opinion (maybe even a guess!), what form might it take? If this was a movie, what would the storyline arc be? And how would it end?

This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)

• US state secession: are differences irreconcilable?

[Lilyofthestars]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

Thanks for your view .... in your personal opinion (maybe even a guess!), what form might it take? If this was a movie, what would the storyline arc be? And how would it end?

This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)

• US state secession: are differences irreconcilable?

I really hate to even be referencing this as I'm not the type of person to take films all that seriously unless they truly move me, but there was a film which was released recently, none the less by a brit (Alex Garland), about what a civil war in America might look like..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w

On a rainy gloomy Oregon day a few weeks ago I decided to go ahead and see the thing out of sheer curiosity to what Garland had envisioned. He has been quoted as explaining he genuinely thinks this kind of a scenario is within reason.

My personal feelings on the film -- I was impressed at the thoughtfulness of the characters and how they interfaced with such horrors beyond comprehension, casually, as if they felt nothing. It was a study on the darker side of human nature to just "shut off" their feelings and look at humans as nothing more than bodies.. It was incredibly difficult to get through this film, I found myself almost shaking at the end. Perhaps one of the most terrifying films I've ever seen about the desensitization of people's hearts and souls... Something I feel is already happening. We live in a nation where people are addicted to shoot-em-up overly realistic video games, films which glorify violence, pornography, poor food choices, darkness, partying, and truthfully sin on every corner.. Granted this has probably been a deliberate dumbing down of the American people for decades by darker forces. Even those college educated with successful careers spend a great deal of their free time partying and deadening their own hearts.. The desensitization of American souls has gone on for too long. Because of this, I think that Americans are "ripe for the picking" as the saying goes...

I don't know how I personally feel it'll go down, but I have had visions about what will come to our land mass since 2010. Those visions began at a time in my early 20's when I don't think I had ever read a conspiracy theory in my life. I was a very proper "right think" liberal form the city. "Woke" even ... as we were just discussing. The visions were non stop for years. I did see civil war come to our nation, but the reason seemed to be natural disasters which had triggered it. Earth events such as earthquakes and tsunamis, etc seems to be the trigger for it. I was also having visions of a Chinese/Russian invasion often.. The main thing that was always shown to me was that the entire grid of the entire United States goes black, and that it's during this time China begins it's efforts to take over. What I am confident about is that no films, media, or things I had been reading fueled these visions all those years ago. I was far too invested in university and work for that. There must have been 100's of them and I couldn't shut the water faucet of in-streaming astral projection off. I've never forgotten all of these, most are like photographic memory in my soul at this point. Fast forward to today, and I can see many things taking center stage which are showing those visions to be viable possibilities now...

Anyway, I'll leave it there. There's a sense for me that something very large is going to happen by next year, not sure about other Americans on this thread. I haven't read through much of it yet...

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by scotslad (here)
apologies if covered elsewhere, but this is a trailer for an upcoming movie
about a potential civil war in the usa...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w

Got me thinking (perhaps too much, but curopus what you think...)

At its core, does this movie (out April 24), raise thought-provoking questions about the relationship between art and reality? In a time when political tensions are running high and social divisions seem deeper than ever, will this film challenge audiences and viewers to consider the ways in which art can both reflect and influence the world around us?

Is it sewing a seed that many are thinking, or is it just another big budget action flick popcorn fest?

Does the portrayal of a modern civil war on screen serve as a cautionary tale, a mirror held up to our society's flaws and vulnerabilities? Or does it risk romanticising violence and perpetuating harmful stereotypes, narratives and divisions?

Perhaps just another action film, but is the role of Hollywood attempting to shape public perception and discourse? In an era dominated by blockbuster spectacles and glossy entertainment, will this movie offer a stark contrast by presenting a gritty, morally complex exploration of a timely and urgent subject matter and to serve as a warning to all?

Will it prompt audiences to critically examine the ways in which the media can manipulate, distort, or sensationalise reality for the sake of entertainment or profit, and what the potential consequences of such manipulation can have on public opinion and the collective consciousness, or am I just the only one wrongly looking at this?

Will viewers get drawn into the gripping narrative of a "fictional" modern day civil war and thus, are compelled to confront uncomfortable truths about the fragility of democracy, the power of propaganda, and the inherent human capacity for both empathy and cruelty?

I'm unsure, but I feel it might just challenge us all to reflect on our own roles as citizens, consumers, and participants in the ongoing "drama" of society, and to consider the responsibilities that come with wielding the power of storytelling in an increasingly fractured world (and more so now with the use of Deep fake ai and cgi)

Then again, should I just wait for its release on Netflix and switch off, and allow it to enterdrain my brain for a couple of hours?


Curious to your take.

False questions rising from the assumption that this such films are art.

Art is resistance by definition. It condemns how current "reality” (as corresponding to what was predictively programmed) destroys faith in truth, hope for goodness, love of beauty.

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

[Lilyofthestars]

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

Yes, partially, and sometimes they're honest considerations of an accumulation of decades of observations regarding the cultural condition of human beings, in this case particularity in America. I just said I didn't take it entirely seriously.

I did say what I do take seriously is a lifetime of visions which predates the "predicative programming" infiltrating our media. My visions came before I had ever seen such a film or read such a conspiracy theory in my life. I have a right to take them seriously whether they are funny, foolish, or nonsense to those ignorant souls around me.

I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film. By the 100's. In fact there are millions of American men right now stock piling guns and preparing for civil war. They were doing it before the fancy War films about civil war in America were being released left and right. They have never trusted our government and yes, they are prepared.

With all due respect, I have lived amongst all types of people as an American and have observed much regarding the cultural state of things. Have you lived here?

[bojancan]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)
Yes. Yes it is. As an American who has seen too much of the two opposing sides and having lived amongst many different demographics by choice, I'd say it's blatantly obvious Americans are not mature enough to transcend the illusory two-party propaganda in order to save themselves. I'm voting RFK Jr, though I know he has zero probability of making it.

Regarding about Civil War in US... in my opinion, wouldn't look like the one, you had in 1861... nearly all of US have a GPS pin on that moment in history... and this way, I see more as an Information War and big riots instead of civil war...

I would vote as American also RFKJr... independent line.... it is so much time ahead, to really be inform about him and see the difference he would bring in your country... and with that also to the world. I am not there in US.. but my positive energy will go in his direction... I said in different thread, that I am sensing him as a winner... he is already rising up fast... check!

Will be no Civil WAR!

[Lilyofthestars]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DBsyKY4NfT0

This is a former border patrol agent who describes the realities of what is going on with the current invasion of America and the billions of dollars SECRETLY being funded by the US government to ensure it's success. Only those who have been following this matter acutely over the last six months to a year would understand this is far from propaganda, alarmist talk, or exaggeration/lies by "crazy right wing extremists".

And yes, I've seen the buses dropping off nearly all military age angry men who are not here to "work" right here in a tiny small western coastal town no where near the cities. One might ask "but how do you know they're not there to work"? If you've seen enough footage spreading of this invasion you'll see that these are mostly angry violent young men who are being instructed on how to get here. A majority are not here to work or start a new life. While many know this is going on everywhere to a much smaller extent, it is at a far more extreme level in the US than Europe. It's being paid for directly behind closed doors. Hence the 600 million dollar checks referenced in the video which are being written out to catholic, christian, jewish and non religious organizations alike in order to keep the trafficking going. Compliments to our government. Most are not here with their families or to work. They're here preparing for something else.

eta: A few months ago an incredibly famous terrorist who's face is apparently known by many, was filmed crossing the border. Redacted shared the video. He valiantly declared "Americans will soon know my name" and bragged about their plans. He knows there's a plan. Did the US government stop him? No. They welcomed him with open arms. We have millions who have come in the last six months that are all military aged men, most are very angry and dark. This isn't "honest immigrants" who are just here to have a new life and work.

Just one leg of the stool that will probably lead to a very insane situation within 2-5 years time.

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This thread might be interesting, about how the US might split itself apart. (I know far less about the US than many members here, but it doesn't seem to me to be 100% impossible.)

I try to present what I have as a knowing member of "settlers" or "colonists".

I understand that, rather than conquistadors, my ancestors were more like refugees who understandably wanted to escape the many generations of mostly-religious violence that plagued Europe. In migrating to the "New World", I do not know of a single instance where, for example, they took rifles and shoved Natives off of land. Such land was for all intents and purposes unlimited, and you literally settled somewhere and started everything from scratch.

At a certain point, the idea was to remove the authority of the British Parliament, primarily over Taxation, as well as how to acquire more citizens. There was not really an idea to make a United States, or even overthrow Monarchy, because Washington would gladly have been accepted as the New King. Here, the king's governors were simply replaced. That is why there are states. It was just a transfer of control from one authority to another.

The issue of unifying these states was hotly debated in some areas, and the Constitution faced a resistance of 1,000 armed men in Rhode Island. The issues we face, now, are essentially the same as then: Wall Street (consolidated government) vs. Agricultural Economy (such as Thomas Jefferson).

The disruption to the Agricultural Economy was so bad, that, almost immediately after unification, South Carolina began educating her populace on "states' rights" issues, contrasted against the distant authority of a "consolidated government".

So there was *a lot* of awareness before the attack on Fort Sumter.

This was *never* a "Civil War", which means two sides fighting for control of the same government, such as happened in England. It was a secession, that is, an attempt to throw off the D. C. authority, as had been done to the British Parliament.

In our memory, of course, Union troops were completely guilty of genocide, rape, and looting, on people which it claimed were their own citizens. At the same time, Lincoln delivered a National Bank, which, for the first time, relied on a supply of Treasuries, that is, similar to the Bank of England, we get a central bank making loans to the federal government. This relationship has not changed ever since. When we think of what got unified, cemented, preserved, it is that. Afterwards, you see the beginnings of market crashes and panics devised by Wall Street, which continues to grow, and effectively cancels agriculture as once was known.

So it's not really unified by much. I suppose some think of it as their cash cow to go and do a bunch of military stuff. I consider it a hijacking. This is exactly why we did not want a "consolidated government". The dispute is still at the level of the Constitutional Conventions and local debates. To summarize the mess, I might say:


Fluff issues were over-discussed

Significant issues were sidelined

It was rushed through in a "race" to eliminate any chances of substantial issues being handled.

It was soon dominated by Wall Street, just as warned.



These days, it would be impossible for me to jump on anyone's wagon if it is not grounded in the close similarity of early America and Russia, in the sense of both being wary of European Money Power.

America got the slow crawl of Wall Street, Russia got the hard snap of the Bolsheviks. One of them has mostly washed its hands. It isn't here.


If something were to prove fatal to our current consolidated government, then, my first suggestion is one must look at the petroleum intakes, and then draw out their effective range of supply at a reasonable price. That would define zones which could be considered survivable in the modern sense. To have anything more than domestic production, then, you need to learn how to talk up favorable points for exchange, not take over the foreign producer.

You have to keep this infrastructure intact until such a time as oil is truly replaced. If managed properly, most of us would not bat an eyelash in transiting to some different government.

When I see the platforms that bring in ideas like "attack the local courts", then, instead, I go into a kind of counter-guerilla thing where I want to suppress the rebels. Any kind of "advocacy for change" brings so many platforms under its blanket, it is hard to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That is why we might say the French Revolution was, in the long run, unsuccessful. The American was successful, temporarily.


Since I doubt anyone influential is going to consider my view, then, I am personally more inclined towards emigration.

It may be that millions have been cast in to various fighters' corners that is still a bit "quiet", in terms of insurrections, but I do not see how a Zionist assault on a campus protestor can be anything but:


Rabid ideology


or

Violence for cash


If that represents "what's going on" and how to paint our future, I'm not in the discussion. And, unfortunately, it is deeply seeded, to the federal level. I don't even want to hear what IHRA has to say. This is a moot argument that I do not find to be part of civilization.

On the ground I'd say we are quite "gerrymandered" in a way that no longer has much to do with the borders of the states.

If I go one way, I find Nationalists who are armed to the teeth. If I go the other way, I find Internationalists disarmed to helplessness. I've discovered what it's like to care about what is said in a Synagogue mostly by Germans. And then there are those who like to pretend they didn't shoot the power station.


All I can do is advocate for a slow, educational process that leads mostly to legal changes, so it disrupts as little as possible. This is something other than the "right to vote" under the present circumstances. However, I will probably be surrounded by superficial, knee-jerk reactions.

[jaybee]

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Watched this dramatic presentation from Alex Jones on InfoWars yesterday -

I didn't make notes to give a break down of the content with time stamps but it was basically Alex announcing ... 'This is it!....the Big One'....he's still saying and believing (more like hoping, I think) that the situation can be mitigated but somewhere he says that for the first time, he has his 'bug out' truck organized and ready to go...just in case...to get out into a rural area...

It's about the lead up to the Presidential election in November (5th)...that the Globalists have begun advanced moves towards Civil War and Marshal Law with the Student Protest organizations happening now - and societal breakdown will get worse closer to Nov 5th so the elections are not able to take place... one scenario is that Trump could be killed and following that, key communicators like, for example, Tucker Carlson. Joe Rogan and himself will also be in danger of being killed / disappeared - plus key politicians like Rand Paul, Matt gaetz, MTG and that besides preventing the election and another Trump win the societal breakdown, Marshall Law will then usher in other big NWO moves like Digital Currency and World Government -


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Perhaps this is why the ludicrous situation with Biden is continuing - the Democrats aren't bothering with a real candidacy choice because there isn't going to be an election - RFK jr is battling away but it doesn't worry them - because there isn't going to be an election...? Trump is tied up with corrupt courts and is still the leading contender - but they aren't worried - because...........

Later in the presentation Alex addresses and appeals to the Globalists and there high ranking Puppets, like Gates and Zuckerberg for example -------- to just stop it - give up the crazy plans because it will be the end of them as well - they will spend their last days in bunkers and will never be forgiven by the masses - (if the societal breakdown in the US and a wider World War destroys civilization as we know it, especially in the West...)

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A quick note from me regarding this.... I have wondered how the Global Elite think they can continue with the 24/7 brainwashing and tight control if there is serious societal breakdown and the infrastructure that supports advanced tech like Smart Phones (for example) are not up and running smoothly - - - - perhaps they know there is an element of gamble with it all and this gives them a buzz... ??

Anyway..... here it is .....


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/200Pg3uj1ozO/


ALEX JONES [1 OF 4] FRIDAY 5/3/24 • CIVIL UNREST LEADING TO CIVIL WAR, NEWS, REPORTS & ANALYSIS - (49:36)

EMERGENCY! ALEX JONES HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE GLOBALIST DEEP STATE HAS ALREADY SET IN MOTION CIVIL UNREST LEADING TO CIVIL WAR & MARTIAL LAW — WE CAN MITIGATE THIS! SHARE & WATCH
It’s all right in front of you! The defunding of police, implosion of borders, Biden funding Hamas to strike Israel, Israel standing down, Soros funding the leftists — all of this is ONE BIG CLASH!

will it happen the way Alex is saying?..... time will tell..... but InfoWars is 'Tomorrow's News Today' so we will see -

fingers crossed the situation isn't so dire...but all the signs are there.... unfortunately

[Bill Ryan]

A kind of side note to this thread. I got very curious about Alex Garland's new Civil War movie, and found it online here. I'll not embed it, because it's not very high quality (it has irritating commercials, was recorded on a camcorder in a theater, and the sound isn't that great). But the whole movie is right there to be seen if anyone wants to.

It's not a fun watch. There's a great deal that's worrying and disturbing, much of it looks pretty realistic on screen, and (as many may know) it follows the journey of a small group of journalists, now war reporters with cameras in their hands 24/7, who are together seeking to find or somehow get the best stories and photos of the violent crisis that they possibly can.

No spoilers here. But the whole thing ends (literally, the end of the film) with the youngest of the war reporters now so 100% totally desensitized that she becomes completely immune to the sheer continuous traumatic horror in front of her eyes and in front of her camera lens.

It reminded me of the closure of Stanley Kubrick's iconic 1987 Full Metal Jacket, where we see the film's main protagonist Sergeant Joker with the 'thousand yard stare' — a very real Vietnam syndrome and a known sign of someone having witnessed extreme trauma.

Alex Garland's intent in the film, it seems to me, was simply to portray that trauma — to almost every individual affected, not to mention the entire nation — as vividly as he could. (He succeeds. )

[Bill Ryan]

Here's David Baumblatt, an FBI whistleblower, talking to Ania K a couple of days ago. He talks a lot about FBI surveillance (of which he's been a victim), and is pretty angry about a whole bunch of things.

But at 18:23, he refers to what he calls 'Civil War, Collapse, and Revolution', and feels (a) that it may be close to inevitable, and (b) would be the only realistic way now to change anything.

Former FBI Agent on the Collapse of the USA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nce7plKgNAA

Edit to add:

The briefest summary of his views:

• Civil war in the US may be close to inevitable, and would be the only realistic way now to change anything.
• Trump, whom he wholeheartedly supports, won't be able to really fix anything if he's elected (unless he somehow starts or triggers a civil war).
• The only way to 'Take America Back" will be at the state level. The signs of a coming civil war will be the governors of more and more red states pushing back hard against the US federal government.
• The US is more of a Corporation than a Country. "Diversity is our Strength" is a communist ideology.
• The primary conflict (both in the world and in the US) is Globalism vs Nationalism.
• China (where he lives and speaks fluent Chinese) isn't communist. It's far more nationalist or fascist. But there's more genuine freedom of speech in China regarding issues such as gender, race, color, and other topics that are verboten in the US. Strong family values in China are also very important (Regarding political discussion in China, however, David says one has to be careful.)

[Bruce G Charlton]

I don't suppose my opinion is worth much on this, but (FWIW) I regard a real civil war in the US as vastly improbable.

"would be the only realistic way now to change anything"

My interpretation of such statements predicting CW is that they are a species of wishful thinking. In other words, people realize that CW (or secession of some states from the federal government) would be the only way to change things fundamentally. And because many old-style Americans are ashamed of their nations docile acceptance/ embrace of an alien and self-hating ideology; and cling to the hope that it will suddenly reverse.

But I don't see the slightest sign of that kind of organized resistance; on the contrary All major US states, institutions, bureaucracies, corporations are on-board with the major planks of federal mainstream policies - at most dissenting on only one or two major issues (and, typically, over-compensating for this on other issues, as-if to prove their fundamental loyalty to The Agenda).

If any serious organized resistance to The Agenda existed in the US; then it would long-since have been evident; and things would not be as they are.

There may be an assault on native, white, Christian, middle states population within the US implemented by the federal govt; but I would predict that genocide is more likely than that it would be met by war.

There would be some significant (albeit futile, on the large scale) resistance presumably, some of it bitter; but local, scattered and grossly asymmetrical - and to some degree false flag, to provide 'excuses' for greater state aggression. But more like the legend of small groups or individual Japanese (suicidally) holding-out against the USA following WWII. More like guerrilla resistance than a civil war. But without state or official backing.

The reason for lack of US resistance to the lethal policies of their rulers is lack of sufficiently strong and cohesive motivation. This motivation used to be provided by religion, but all religions are now grossly enfeebled and ineffectual in The West (but not Russia - which for me is not The West).

For a couple of generations (only) nationalism took the place of religion as a motivator, but nationalism too has now been subverted and indeed inverted among the masses.

There is no other adequate motivator/ organizer. The material war against Western civilization and all the Western nations is long-since lost; the real war now is spiritual - and it happens at the level of each and every individual person.