The Earth is encompassed in a Magnetic Vortex: 2024? No, 1693 A.D.

[Jaak]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)

Posted by Jaak (here)
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Can I ask where you got the top drawing? You won't believe how similar that is the the inside of the pre-Unified Field Torus in Edge theory III. Who is Ken Wheeler?

Drawings are made by Ken Wheeler ,his Youtube channel is called Theoria Apophasis.
https://www.youtube.com/@kathodosdotcom
He has too many videos but some of them that explain magnetism and electricity are top notch.

[shaberon]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
Edge theory is a mathematical description of the Aether

Which Aether?


Taken on a scientific basis, we would study something like "the medium in which light waves vibrate", or "the fluid of gravity", or even "dark energy" or something.

Does the math describe an observation?

Michelson-Morley led to the observation that the ray-like nature of light bent two or three degrees when passing something like the sun, which is said to be caused by gravity. I don't understand that, because it is self-contradictory for the ray to travel at light speed, and, enter a curved path, which is a form of acceleration. It's forbidden to accelerate; something seems violated by this observation.


I am not yet sure how I would ask math or science questions on the following.


The Greek use of "Aether" is a proper name, part of the tradition of Pythagoras and Cornelius Agrippa.

Another pentagram from Agrippa’s book. This one has the Pythagorean letters “γιεια” or Hygieia, Health, inscribed around the circle, which was used by adherents as a form of greeting:

In the image above of the two points up pentagram from Agrippa's book, the notion of Health that is within and inside a living being, is "bounded between the rings". According to myth, Tartaros was locked away by iron (fashioned by Zeus) and bronze (fashioned by Zeus' brother Poseidon. The iron of Zeus is the aither spoken of earlier ("space") and the bronze is demiurgos, or the waterforce which binds things into matter (Poseidon was often referred to as "he who shakens the earth" and the god Proteus, who carries the seals of Poseidon has ever since Antiquity been seen as a representation of matter.)

To sum it up; even if seen as the medieval elements, Living Things are the things traveling the Wheel of Life, and not directly connected to or part of the Pythagorean pentagram itself, which is at their core in the center, a Core of Inner Being (the "soul" of "the stuff"). When one had Health, they were considered Zoös and in their hearts there was Eros (the word did not mean "erotic" in the sense we mean it today at all). To not have Health was to be Thanatos - a word that does not exactly mean dead as in "dead and buried," but means dead inside but alive, like a shell.

This is derived from the Pentemychos of Pherecydes of Syros:


In the older cosmogony of Hesiod 8th–7th century BC the initial state of the universe is Chaos, a dark void considered as a divine primordial condition...

A comparatively large number of sources say Pherecydes was the first to teach the eternality and transmigration metempsychosis of human souls. Both Cicero and Augustine thought of him having given the first teaching of the "immortality of the soul". It is not surprising that some considered Pherecydes to have been the teacher of Pythagoras. That he was the first to teach such a thing is doubtful, but that he was among the first and that he did profess this teaching is certain.


This is meaningful because ideas change as soon as one steps away from Hesiod:


FAMILY OF TARTARUS
PARENTS

[1.1] NONE (one of the first to emerge at creation) (Hesiod Theogony 116)

[2.1] AITHER (or OURANOS) & GAIA (Hyginus Preface)



That would give us two different stories--Aether is the "parent" of Tartaros, or, a certain type of boundary to it "iron of Zeus".

The difficulty I sense, is that the Aether of the Pentagram, has only one measuring device, a human being.

In very early Greek thought, Tartaros was the first existing Darkness from which the cosmos is born. While it was locked away after the emergence and ordering of the cosmos, it still continued to have an influence. In fact, it was known as "the subduer of both gods and men" (Homer), and it was from this that the world got its "psyche" (soul) and its "daimon". The Boundless Darkness held influence through Mychos or Krater.

The Underworld as the source of wisdom was the rule...Note that she speaks of the Heart. The inmost chamber is the Mychos...this Underworld of the Greeks and Pythagoreans is also the "inmost chamber" and the Core of Inner Being.

Curiously, the Pentemychos fragment actually begins as the doctrine of a Trinity:

CHRONOS and Zas always were, and also Chthonie (Ζὰς μὲν καὶ Χρόνος ἦσαν ἀεὶ καὶ Χθονίη). Once Chronos, alone and without a partner, cast forth his seed. From his seed he made fire, air, and water, and deposited these in five hollows. Lo, from the mixtures of fire, air and water in the hollows arose another generation of gods. The fiery gods dwelt in Ouranos and gleaming Aither, the gods of wind in gusty Tartaros, the watery gods in Chaos, and the gods of darkness dwelt in black Night.

After the generation of gods, born of the seed of Time, assumed their habitations, Zas became Eros and married Chthonie.

So he is saying these are the abodes of Fire:



Ouranos (Ancient Greek: Οὐρανός, lit. 'sky', [uːranós])

The basic Indo-European root is *ṷérs- 'to rain, moisten'

Sanskrit varṣá 'rain', Hittite ṷarša- 'fog, mist'




Aether is related to αἴθω "to incinerate", and intransitive "to burn, to shine" (related is the name Aithiopes (Ethiopians; see Aethiopia), meaning "people with a burnt (black) visage").

Ancient Greek: Αἰθήρ (Brightness)

For the ancient Greeks, the word aether (unpersonified), referred to the upper atmosphere, a material element of the cosmos. For example Homer has Sleep climb:

a fir-tree exceeding tall, the highest that then grew in Ida; and it reached up through the mists into heaven [aether].



In that sense, Aether is something you can find in your sleep. It is rarefied, and it is bright, the residence of Fire. Its close kin, the Rain, is how the soul descends to earth/incarnates. We are told this Aether is used to "bound" the human aura.

This is the original Greek meaning as preserved by the Alchemists.

I would be certain that yes, something like this can be experienced subjectively, and, I have no idea what that may mean physically.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
Edge theory is a mathematical description of the Aether

Which Aether?


Taken on a scientific basis, we would study something like "the medium in which light waves vibrate", or "the fluid of gravity", or even "dark energy" or something.

Does the math describe an observation?

Michelson-Morley led to the observation that the ray-like nature of light bent two or three degrees when passing something like the sun, which is said to be caused by gravity. I don't understand that, because it is self-contradictory for the ray to travel at light speed, and, enter a curved path, which is a form of acceleration. It's forbidden to accelerate; something seems violated by this observation.


I am not yet sure how I would ask math or science questions on the following.


The Greek use of "Aether" is a proper name, part of the tradition of Pythagoras and Cornelius Agrippa.

Another pentagram from Agrippa’s book. This one has the Pythagorean letters “γιεια” or Hygieia, Health, inscribed around the circle, which was used by adherents as a form of greeting:

In the image above of the two points up pentagram from Agrippa's book, the notion of Health that is within and inside a living being, is "bounded between the rings". According to myth, Tartaros was locked away by iron (fashioned by Zeus) and bronze (fashioned by Zeus' brother Poseidon. The iron of Zeus is the aither spoken of earlier ("space") and the bronze is demiurgos, or the waterforce which binds things into matter (Poseidon was often referred to as "he who shakens the earth" and the god Proteus, who carries the seals of Poseidon has ever since Antiquity been seen as a representation of matter.)

To sum it up; even if seen as the medieval elements, Living Things are the things traveling the Wheel of Life, and not directly connected to or part of the Pythagorean pentagram itself, which is at their core in the center, a Core of Inner Being (the "soul" of "the stuff"). When one had Health, they were considered Zoös and in their hearts there was Eros (the word did not mean "erotic" in the sense we mean it today at all). To not have Health was to be Thanatos - a word that does not exactly mean dead as in "dead and buried," but means dead inside but alive, like a shell.

This is derived from the Pentemychos of Pherecydes of Syros:


In the older cosmogony of Hesiod 8th–7th century BC the initial state of the universe is Chaos, a dark void considered as a divine primordial condition...

A comparatively large number of sources say Pherecydes was the first to teach the eternality and transmigration metempsychosis of human souls. Both Cicero and Augustine thought of him having given the first teaching of the "immortality of the soul". It is not surprising that some considered Pherecydes to have been the teacher of Pythagoras. That he was the first to teach such a thing is doubtful, but that he was among the first and that he did profess this teaching is certain.


This is meaningful because ideas change as soon as one steps away from Hesiod:


FAMILY OF TARTARUS
PARENTS

[1.1] NONE (one of the first to emerge at creation) (Hesiod Theogony 116)

[2.1] AITHER (or OURANOS) & GAIA (Hyginus Preface)



That would give us two different stories--Aether is the "parent" of Tartaros, or, a certain type of boundary to it "iron of Zeus".

The difficulty I sense, is that the Aether of the Pentagram, has only one measuring device, a human being.

In very early Greek thought, Tartaros was the first existing Darkness from which the cosmos is born. While it was locked away after the emergence and ordering of the cosmos, it still continued to have an influence. In fact, it was known as "the subduer of both gods and men" (Homer), and it was from this that the world got its "psyche" (soul) and its "daimon". The Boundless Darkness held influence through Mychos or Krater.

The Underworld as the source of wisdom was the rule...Note that she speaks of the Heart. The inmost chamber is the Mychos...this Underworld of the Greeks and Pythagoreans is also the "inmost chamber" and the Core of Inner Being.

Curiously, the Pentemychos fragment actually begins as the doctrine of a Trinity:

CHRONOS and Zas always were, and also Chthonie (Ζὰς μὲν καὶ Χρόνος ἦσαν ἀεὶ καὶ Χθονίη). Once Chronos, alone and without a partner, cast forth his seed. From his seed he made fire, air, and water, and deposited these in five hollows. Lo, from the mixtures of fire, air and water in the hollows arose another generation of gods. The fiery gods dwelt in Ouranos and gleaming Aither, the gods of wind in gusty Tartaros, the watery gods in Chaos, and the gods of darkness dwelt in black Night.

After the generation of gods, born of the seed of Time, assumed their habitations, Zas became Eros and married Chthonie.

So he is saying these are the abodes of Fire:



Ouranos (Ancient Greek: Οὐρανός, lit. 'sky', [uːranós])

The basic Indo-European root is *ṷérs- 'to rain, moisten'

Sanskrit varṣá 'rain', Hittite ṷarša- 'fog, mist'




Aether is related to αἴθω "to incinerate", and intransitive "to burn, to shine" (related is the name Aithiopes (Ethiopians; see Aethiopia), meaning "people with a burnt (black) visage").

Ancient Greek: Αἰθήρ (Brightness)

For the ancient Greeks, the word aether (unpersonified), referred to the upper atmosphere, a material element of the cosmos. For example Homer has Sleep climb:

a fir-tree exceeding tall, the highest that then grew in Ida; and it reached up through the mists into heaven [aether].



In that sense, Aether is something you can find in your sleep. It is rarefied, and it is bright, the residence of Fire. Its close kin, the Rain, is how the soul descends to earth/incarnates. We are told this Aether is used to "bound" the human aura.

This is the original Greek meaning as preserved by the Alchemists.

I would be certain that yes, something like this can be experienced subjectively, and, I have no idea what that may mean physically.

Thanks for your contribution -

Again, I agree - it is my belief that light rays can not bend around the sun due to the force of gravity. Gravity implies a reaction in relation to a mass. Light is composed of photons, so we could ask if the photon has mass. The answer is then definitely "no": the photon is a mass-less particle. If light rays, which are but another side to frequencies of radio or other waves, had mass, then Einstein's theory of Energy being equal to mass at the speed of light squared would no longer equate. And if light rays had mass, then beams of radio waves could have tiny amounts of mass added, which would be transported at the speed of light, and then perhaps reassembled at the other end, thus proving the Star Trek mode of short-distance transport.

[Neptune7]

Hi Shaberon & Jim_Duyer. Thank you very much for your comments and questions! I devoted my entire adult life to receiving Edge theory and sorting it out and find it very gratifying to have finally achieved a level of understanding where I can begin to share and discuss. Everything below comes from my current understanding, which for sure will change and grow, especially with such great links and questions.

The Edge theory Aether:

1. generates a quantized gravity
2. produces 9 point sources of waves in a curved surface, or which 4 are gravity waves, (the gravity waves generate photon's which are the graviton that the Standard model seeks. I other words, the Wave and the Photon are One and are both always present.)
4. is Dark matter,
5. generates Dark energy,
6. is the morphogenic field of i) plasma, ii) planets, suns, & galaxies with magnetic fields, and DNA based life,
7. generates magnetism
8. generates consciousness

The key thing to understand the mythological & philosophical references you quote is that the Edge theory Aether spontaneously generates both Life and Matter. DNA based life is spontaneously generated by the Edge theory Aether in the exact same way that Gravity and Magnetism are. In Edge theory, Life appears to be an un-spiralling photon and Matter appears to be Frozen Aether. Edge theory demonstrates this with mathematical rigour. (The first paper linked above is just the first baby step towards the full math in order to, hopefully, make it easier to understand.)

This appears to me to exactly match:

"the notion of Health that is within and inside a living being, is "bounded between the rings". According to myth, Tartaros was locked away by iron (fashioned by Zeus) and bronze (fashioned by Zeus' brother Poseidon. The iron of Zeus is the aither spoken of earlier ("space") and the bronze is demiurgos, or the waterforce which binds things into matter"

& the exact same as

"the parents as: AITHER (or OURANOS) & GAIA. (Aether & Matter)

The first paper linked above ends with the generation of a Heart/Beat, which powers all of the other effects of the Edge theory Aether, including life, gravity, magnetism, consciousness, etc. This is the same as:

"Note that she speaks of the Heart. The inmost chamber is the Mychos...this Underworld of the Greeks and Pythagoreans is also the "inmost chamber" and the Core of Inner Being."

As the Edge theory Aether gives structure to all matter, and generates consciousness, this is the same as:

"The fiery gods dwelt in Ouranos and gleaming Aither, the gods of wind in gusty Tartaros, the watery gods in Chaos, and the gods of darkness dwelt in black Night."

In other words, the Edge theory Aether that gives structure to Water, as example, is Conscious and IS Poseidon, or as I prefer to say, Ulmo from Tolkien's Silmarillion.

Chapter 16 of Robert Temple's book 'A New Science of Heaven' documents the Aether based mist that many have seen rising from the dead, which appears to be the same as:

"The basic Indo-European root is *ṷérs- 'to rain, moisten'. &. Sanskrit varṣá 'rain', Hittite ṷarša- 'fog, mist'


To explain the bending of light around Ra, and the references to the Aether as burning or fire and the most rarefied of the elements, you have to grok the idea that we see both Infinite & finite time spans and dimensions in our Universe. All things in our Universe are simultaneously Infinite and finite in the same way that a 12" ruler has both i) 12 x 1" divisions and ii) an infinite number of infinitely thin divisions at the same time.

The Aether is the half of the Unified field that embodies the Infinite, while Matter embodies the finite. (It appears to be the 'embedding' of finiteness in the Unified field that causes the Freezing of the Aether into Matter). Thus, the Aether has infinite energy, and is easily described as the 'highest' element, or as burning, fire, etc.

Science went off the rails when they eliminated the Aether, although it is easy to understand why they did so, since their finite instruments cannot detect something that has infinite layers and time spans.

The bending of a photon around the toroidal Aether field of a star is a bit tricky to understand, although with a little time, it really becomes simple. Here goes.

It is a natural effect of all toroidal fields in Edge theory having both Infinite & finite dimensions at the same time.

When we look at any star in space, we are seeing the finite dimensions of the star. When we see the finite dimensions, that means that the Aether field of that star is curved. As light travels in the Aether field, it bends when it interacts with the field.

In Edge theory, gravity is NOT a property of Matter, it's a property of the Aether toroidal morphogenic field that gives shape to the Matter.

So, no accelleration, no violation of any rules. And the math when fully understood, describes everything we observe seemingly perfectly.

I would be especially grateful if either of you, or anyone, would review the math in the paper linked above and point out any errors or hard to understand bits. Part II is almost done and improves the information architecture describing the math above quite a bit.

Gratefully,

N7

[Jim_Duyer]

N7 - I will check it out. Whether or not I can understand it, or even begin to find errors, is another question entirely.
Two tidbits - how did the gold discovery at Orofino Mountain get explained? Or rather, how did the mountain get its name - fine gold? I was not aware of that many Spanish speakers in BC in the early days.

Second - the Etymology for the word may come from Germanic words like dusk-regn, regn-dusk, dusel, dysja, dust ("mild showering rain; dust"). Or earlier from Indian words like duṣ-, duš- ("bad, ill") ..., and if so,
rain seems to be linked, early on, with particles of matter, presumably having mass greater than the simple water, and, according to the Hindu, bad or evil attachments to it.

[Jim_Duyer]

N7 - OK, I read it and cannot discover any errors but I can make some comments. Whether they will be helpful or not is up for grabs. These are my personal opinions - your mileage may vary as they say.

1) Introducing Edge Theory. It's like String theory, except... ...It's the edge of this unique torus that vibrates at the edge shrinks to zero length and disappears.

Do the vibrations (a manifestation of the expenditure of energy) shrink to zero because they have run out of the material that powers them, as in a nuclear bomb reaction, because the limits of their force have been reached, the reaction slows, and at some point we can no longer "observe" any vibrating energy and thus it just appears to shrink and disappear, or is this constraint a part of their design? We often believe that UFOs "disappear", but actually, any object moving from zero to near light speed in a short period of time would seem to "disappear" to human eyes.

2) Put simply, this new math involves a mathematically rigorous, but novel, way to embed Oneness & Duality, Balance & imBalance, Infinite & Finite, & The Conservation of Energy with Creation from nothing, in a transformation of this unique torus:

When early man could not explain to his satisfaction the evidence that some "handlers" were more intelligent or rather more learned than "normal" humans, they looked for answers to fill that gap. Well, they're gods, some claimed, and that's why - others went the other direction - it's because we sinned, and they did not, and we will always inherit this sin and live with it. I don't believe in original sin, but mainly because I have re-translated those parts of the text and it says nothing of the kind. In fact it states that God was kind and helpful and loving, even from the beginning, and that man was forced to leave his ideal existence because two groups fought and God was afraid that this would shape their dynamics forever if he did not separate them. Why did they fight? It says (not me, the text) that Cain was a female, Able took advantage of her, Cain slew him, and the two groups fought over who was most right.
We adore, and embrace, the concept of left vs right, light vs dark, illuminated vs dull, good vs evil - and yet we fail to understand that without evil there could be no good. Without darkness there could be no light. The wholeness is found in the two halves, melding together, holding on to each other dearly, and only becoming separated in human thought - when we simply refuse to recognize that the whole is indeed greater than the sum of its parts.

3) To make it even harder, when I started working on this puzzle, one of the first decisions I made was that I could not continue to 'pattern my mind' with what was already known or that very patterning would prevent me from solving the puzzle.

To me, that's the beginning of understanding - first putting down our childhood toys and then thinking for ourselves, without the limitations of behaviors that were beat into us in one form or another.

4) or 15) This state of the Light field, where the Edge disappears and the torus becomes a 'perfect' model of Oneness & Duality, appears to be the Monad, Ylem, the Philosopher's Stone, the Throne of God, The Holy Grail, and the Secret Fire of Illuvatar. This state exists when the Light field has no manifested shape other than an In/Finite number of toruses multiplying at an infinite rate. In Edge theory, this appears to be the state of the Light field as it lies between a Black Hole and a Sun & transfers the energy between them.

In that space where the light field no longer has a manifested shape, if we were able to look deeper, would we not find infinite battles between the two forces, and thus the deeper we looked the more this continued? It's the battle that holds the all together. Without this, everything dies of indifference and becomes unobserved and thus unattended and unobserved, waste.

5) Edge theory also offers an explanation of the strange sayings in the Gospel of Thomas, especially Saying 22:"When you make the two one and make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside and the above like the below, and that you might make the male and the female be one and the same, so that the male might not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye and a hand in place of a hand and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image - then you will enter the kingdom."

Thomas speaks of marriage (two one) of either man and woman or human and spiritual worship. The inside is our hidden thoughts, fears, feelings, worries, which are not always evident on our outer forms or shapes that we are judged by, rightly or not. When you recognize that our very atoms are replaced over time, and that only by making changes today can we hope to see a difference later, then your path is open to improvement by your own intent.

23. Sound impossible? It gets better. Edge theory drastically simplifies both the mathematics underlying our science and the science underlying our Theology. If you understand p (pi) and can apply the formula for the area and circumference of a circle, as well as the Pythagorean theory, you can understand Edge theory, and the conscious living Universe, in much more detail than today's Science or Theology allows.

The Hebrews furnished wisdom that was encoded in the text of their bible in order to preserve it. One is the measure of the circumference of both the earth and the moon. Yes, it is in there and it is 94% accurate in comparison to what we now believe. Why not 100%? Because, having lived with the Egyptians for so long, they copied their understanding of PI measuring, but they made one error. They simply rounded each result as it appeared, rather than rounding at the end as the Egyptians had done. Thus the Egyptian measure was more accurate. All of this I can prove, by the way, so it's not conjecture.

28. By Disclosure, I mean the Disclosure the UFO crowd keeps seeking. This Disclosure, however, is the re-membering of our original unifying geometrical language that we 'lost' during the 'Tower of Babel' event.

The original charter of the watchers or keepers or overlords, whatever name you wish to give them, was to make humanity, which consisted of the survivors of seven planets in a system that was destroyed by an event not mentioned, into a single group - because they understood that you "can not hate truly someone that you truly understand". We were to be tan, and not black, red, brown, white, super-white, green, etc.
With one language both spoken and written. The other side of the coin decided to make themselves into gods and split the humans and move them apart - in order to divide their learning, power, and abilities to exist peacefully. Mixing the language was a part of that - and of courser all of this worked quite well.

31. This Higher intelligence 'spoke' to me many times since age 13. At age 17, this Intelligence told me, in the middle of a Functions and Relations class at Ashbury College in Ottawa, Canada, that I had been created specifically to solve & under stand Edge theory, draw these pictures, and write these words.

On the one hand, I shudder to think what would have happened had anything spoken to me. And yet I envy the fact that you were driven from an early age - not many know their intent that young. Humanity, or rather the future potentials of humanity, depend on people such as yourself - thinkers.

As you can probably tell, I am more or a verbal thinker than a mathematical one. But we need both kinds, right?

Just a thought that occurred to me as I was writing this - suppose, just for conversations sake, that there is a third force. Three has always had special meaning to humanity. One force of light, one force of darkness (or any other balance-imbalance you wish to name it) and the third is the unifying one - the one that glues the other two into a shape that they can live with. This unity force can be called conscious - they small voice that warns us when we might be approaching too close to the evil side, the small voice that whispers "well-done" when our hearts go out to those in need? The edge is thus not a limit of force of energy, not the extent of a powerful field, but the effects of a unity that reigns in both sides and causes the universe to go skipping along on its long journey.

[shaberon]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
- it is my belief that light rays can not bend around the sun due to the force of gravity. Gravity implies a reaction in relation to a mass. Light is composed of photons, so we could ask if the photon has mass. The answer is then definitely "no": the photon is a mass-less particle. If light rays, which are but another side to frequencies of radio or other waves, had mass, then Einstein's theory of Energy being equal to mass at the speed of light squared would no longer equate.

Would this suggest that "spacetime" is not a thing fit to be measured?


I have often thought that Einstein came up with a great approximation, that is, Relativistic effects may be observed -- but, that, fundamentally, it is not the complete and final word compared to slightly stranger quantum processes.

I also think it may be looking the wrong way.

99% of the observable universe is plasma, whereas a black hole, by definition, cannot be observed.

The plasma builds and operates me, whereas I will not survive anywhere near a black hole.



With respect to Edge Theory, this is of course new to me. If it is at least able to respond to Hesiod's evolution of Aether somewhat smoothly, and, addresses multiple points with respect to observables, I can at least say it doesn't seem ridiculous at first glance. Last year or so we had a guy post on a book he was publishing which advanced the notion of one dimension, Time. I tried to give some editorial tips on how to tighten up the draft so it would be more comprehensible, and, he just gave me circular links back into the same thing he posted. So that didn't go very far.

However, it does match the core of Yoga, which is to say that what we call Time is a series of static states, like frames of a movie, except pulsing at the quantum of time, 10^-34s.

It is a change in appearance of one total volume, which hasn't got any length or breadth, the only thing that moves is the whole thing in Time.

With respect to the Greeks, the math of creation is in the evolution of Platonic Solids. The final stage being the Icosahedron morphs into the Dodecahedron, material plane, suggestive of the twelve months.

We have been thinking this has much to do with Plasma, and that consciousness must be a property of "matter" of some kind at least as sublime as plasma. Tentatively, then, it sounds axiomatically like Dark Matter generates magnetism/plasma/consciousness in Edge Theory. Until further review, to me, at least, this is more like "looking the right way" than it seems like Einstein was not.

I would also like to point out the Science sub-forum has a copy of Maxwell's Quaternions. You may be aware that calculus is used to form a special case or over-simplification known as Four Fundamental Forces. This is *not* what Maxwell originally had, which seems to open the door for...the four forces not to have been any better than Relativity in their completeness.


You might say that mist rises from the dead same way that Rain is how man incarnates.

The original Greek is quite similar to original Sanskrit with minor differences. Hesiod described Aether as "beginning" above the clouds, although when understood as a "substance", that would mean the "same kind of space" is simultaneously present here. The "location" is just a way to attempt to describe its nature. Calling it a "person" with a story is just a way to suggest that it is something real and present in our psychology. And so you have to blend a slightly inaccurate physical description with a somewhat imaginary person in order to taste what is being symbolized.

I would say the Pythagoreans trained themselves pretty similarly to the Yogis. Among the more extensively-written neo-Platonists, my criticism would be to say the Greeks were too intellectual, believed too much in rationality. But these people originally learned this training because it will induce non-material perception, at which point there isn't any doubt that there are "other states" besides solid/liquid/gas, and that consciousness rides on something much weirder.

I am much more of an adept in Yoga who has an interest in "translating" to both Greek and scientific systems.

[Neptune7]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
N7 - ..how did the mountain get its name..
rain seems to be linked, early on, with particles of matter, presumably having mass greater than the simple water, and, according to the Hindu, bad or evil attachments to it.

1. The mountain is part of the very northern tip of the Sonoran desert that stretches from Mexico to Southern BC. We still find the remnants of old log cabins where the Mexican labourers lived high up the mountain. The only economic reason for being up there would be cattle herding and the mine, so probably came from them.

2. I see the zig zag pattern in Egyptian mythos as a symbol for the watery like nature of the Aether, and as it appears to me that Matter if Frozen Aether, which I can imagine being visualized as precipitating out of Aether, then those word meanings make sense, except for the 'evil' connotation of Gnostic and now Hindu thought. Thanks for that tidbit. Did not know the Hindu associated it with 'evil'. I don't accept either 'good' or 'evil' as valid.

N7

[Neptune7]

Thank you very much Jim, very very much!

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

1) Do the vibrations (a manifestation of the expenditure of energy) shrink to zero because they have run out of the material that powers them..?

5) The Hebrews ...having lived with the Egyptians for so long, they copied their understanding of PI measuring, but they made one error. They simply rounded each result as it appeared, rather than rounding at the end as the Egyptians had done. Thus the Egyptian measure was more accurate. All of this I can prove, by the way, so it's not conjecture.

31. ...I am more or a verbal thinker than a mathematical one. But we need both kinds, right?

35. Just a thought that occurred to me as I was writing this - suppose, just for conversations sake, that there is a third force.

1.It's the edge that shrinks to zero, not the vibrations. The vibrations, or waves in the memeBrain, hit infinity when the edge shrinks to zero, which causes the torus to radiate an infinite number of copies of itself, which I believe at this point models the repulsive phase of gravity.

5. I would appreciate seeing that proof. Sounds interesting. π takes a big place in part II

31. Absolutely!

35. In Gospel of Thomas, Jesus says, '...Where there are One and Two, I am with You. Where there are three, there are gods..." Small g in original, I believe. One of the dualities, Oneness and Duality, or a One and Two sidedness at the same time, eliminates the need for 3 to hold them together...

Thanks again Jim. I will change version 2 to clarify point 1 more.

[Neptune7]

Many thanks for the very thoughtful response!

Posted by shaberon (here)

1 ...whereas a black hole, by definition, cannot be observed.

2...Last year or so we had a guy post on a book he was publishing which advanced the notion of one dimension, Time...

3. However, it does match the core of Yoga, which is to say that what we call Time is a series of static states, like frames of a movie, except pulsing at the quantum of time, 10^-34s.

4....the math of creation is in the evolution of Platonic Solids. The final stage being the Icosahedron morphs into the Dodecahedron, material plane, suggestive of the twelve months.

5....t sounds axiomatically like Dark Matter generates magnetism/plasma/consciousness in Edge Theory. Until further review, to me, at least, this is more like "looking the right way" than it seems like Einstein was not.

6...calculus is used to form a special case or over-simplification known as Four Fundamental Forces. This is *not* what Maxwell originally had, which seems to open the door for...the four forces not to have been any better than Relativity in their completeness.

7...Hesiod described Aether as "beginning" above the clouds, ...The "location" is just a way to attempt to describe its nature. Calling it a "person" with a story is just a way to suggest that it is something real and present in our psychology. And so you have to blend a slightly inaccurate physical description with a somewhat imaginary person in order to taste what is being symbolized.

8...the Greeks were too intellectual, believed too much in rationality. But these people originally learned this training because it will induce non-material perception, at which point there isn't any doubt that there are "other states" besides solid/liquid/gas, and that consciousness rides on something much weirder.

9...I am much more of an adept in Yoga who has an interest in "translating" to both Greek and scientific systems.

1. Gasp! But that is heresy! Lol

2. I wrote a response to that thread asking him what created Time, Mass (if I remember) & the Intelligent designer. No answer so far.

3. Where did the 10^-34s Time scale come from? The only discrepancy I see is that each vibration in between the still points are not quite static in Edge theory. More like a smooth sine wave than an instantaneous square wave, which your Yoga description seems to describe, if I understand that correctly?

4. I see the Platonic solids as a simplification of the relationships between the centers of manifested things. Make sense to you?

5, 6, 8. They saw what they could see standing on the shoulders of their predecessors. We see what we see standing on their shoulders. The future will stand on our shoulders.

7. We agree about 'location' but the Plasma Life hypothesis seems to provide some level of evidence that the person may not be so imaginary. Using Language, as Jim_Durer does, to describe what might be better expressed as topology, requires such.

9. I am just beginning to practice physical Yoga. Can you link to any sources of the 'philosophical' yoga you reference?

Thanks again.

N7

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
- it is my belief that light rays can not bend around the sun due to the force of gravity. Gravity implies a reaction in relation to a mass. Light is composed of photons, so we could ask if the photon has mass. The answer is then definitely "no": the photon is a mass-less particle. If light rays, which are but another side to frequencies of radio or other waves, had mass, then Einstein's theory of Energy being equal to mass at the speed of light squared would no longer equate.

Would this suggest that "spacetime" is not a thing fit to be measured?


I have often thought that Einstein came up with a great approximation, that is, Relativistic effects may be observed -- but, that, fundamentally, it is not the complete and final word compared to slightly stranger quantum processes.

I also think it may be looking the wrong way.

99% of the observable universe is plasma, whereas a black hole, by definition, cannot be observed.

The plasma builds and operates me, whereas I will not survive anywhere near a black hole.



With respect to Edge Theory, this is of course new to me. If it is at least able to respond to Hesiod's evolution of Aether somewhat smoothly, and, addresses multiple points with respect to observables, I can at least say it doesn't seem ridiculous at first glance. Last year or so we had a guy post on a book he was publishing which advanced the notion of one dimension, Time. I tried to give some editorial tips on how to tighten up the draft so it would be more comprehensible, and, he just gave me circular links back into the same thing he posted. So that didn't go very far.

However, it does match the core of Yoga, which is to say that what we call Time is a series of static states, like frames of a movie, except pulsing at the quantum of time, 10^-34s.

It is a change in appearance of one total volume, which hasn't got any length or breadth, the only thing that moves is the whole thing in Time.

With respect to the Greeks, the math of creation is in the evolution of Platonic Solids. The final stage being the Icosahedron morphs into the Dodecahedron, material plane, suggestive of the twelve months.

We have been thinking this has much to do with Plasma, and that consciousness must be a property of "matter" of some kind at least as sublime as plasma. Tentatively, then, it sounds axiomatically like Dark Matter generates magnetism/plasma/consciousness in Edge Theory. Until further review, to me, at least, this is more like "looking the right way" than it seems like Einstein was not.

I would also like to point out the Science sub-forum has a copy of Maxwell's Quaternions. You may be aware that calculus is used to form a special case or over-simplification known as Four Fundamental Forces. This is *not* what Maxwell originally had, which seems to open the door for...the four forces not to have been any better than Relativity in their completeness.


You might say that mist rises from the dead same way that Rain is how man incarnates.

The original Greek is quite similar to original Sanskrit with minor differences. Hesiod described Aether as "beginning" above the clouds, although when understood as a "substance", that would mean the "same kind of space" is simultaneously present here. The "location" is just a way to attempt to describe its nature. Calling it a "person" with a story is just a way to suggest that it is something real and present in our psychology. And so you have to blend a slightly inaccurate physical description with a somewhat imaginary person in order to taste what is being symbolized.

I would say the Pythagoreans trained themselves pretty similarly to the Yogis. Among the more extensively-written neo-Platonists, my criticism would be to say the Greeks were too intellectual, believed too much in rationality. But these people originally learned this training because it will induce non-material perception, at which point there isn't any doubt that there are "other states" besides solid/liquid/gas, and that consciousness rides on something much weirder.

I am much more of an adept in Yoga who has an interest in "translating" to both Greek and scientific systems.

Shaberon - good to have a thinker adding his wisdom, thank you.

I've thought about time as a river of events, both past and future (if acted upon in the present).

To me, Time is a record of lost potentialities; possiblities that fell by the way. Were they to have been acted upon, that slice of time would be remembered differently and the new possibilities that are extant in the future would be ameded as well. In fact, if they are acted upon in the supreme fashion, it would result in a seamless blend of events such that we do not have any conscious memory of the impact ever occurring. Because to our minds those events did not represent a radical change but were "always that way", our minds become accustomed to accepting nearly any command, order, rule, law, or doctrine that is imposed upon us - it's just always been that way we begin to feel.

Conversely, time is also a record of changes; possibilities or potentialities that were acted upon and applied during some time frame in the past, and ones that put us in our conscious world of today inside of the framework that we inhabit. Thus our "world", according to what we "know" is constructed of sealess changes blended over time frames until they form into our own "dimension" of reality, if you will.

That's why I do not personally believe in the possibility of time travel - to time travel we would have to have the ability to shape the events of the past to "accept" our arrival from from the future - to snip and cut time frames is one thing, but to adjust acceptance in the minds of all humanity something else. And were it to be towards our future, that time travel could not be possible because our future selves would already have embraced the potentialites that were changed in their own human memory of their past - and so it seems quite impossible to me to go either way.

[[We have been thinking this has much to do with Plasma, and that consciousness must be a property of "matter" of some kind at least as sublime as plasma. Tentatively, then, it sounds axiomatically like Dark Matter generates magnetism/plasma/consciousness in Edge Theory. Until further review, to me, at least, this is more like "looking the right way" than it seems like Einstein was not. ]]
I have absolutely no belief in the theories of Einsten in regard to the limitation of the speed of light. Plain observation tells us that many UFOs simply seem to "disappear". One simple (Occam's Razor) answer for that is that they are able to go from zero to faster than light speeed in a very short period of time. This would make them seem to disappear to human eyes. Conversely, they could have retreated at less than light speed had they employed light rays as a cover, with said light rays being in the ultraviolet range - again invisible to us.


[[ I would also like to point out the Science sub-forum has a copy of Maxwell's Quaternions. You may be aware that calculus is used to form a special case or over-simplification known as Four Fundamental Forces. This is *not* what Maxwell originally had, which seems to open the door for...the four forces not to have been any better than Relativity in their completeness. ]]
I think Maxwell and some of his peers were approaching the truth of the matter (no pun intended). Thus the PTB had to bring out an Einstein to throw us off the track.


[[I would say the Pythagoreans trained themselves pretty similarly to the Yogis. Among the more extensively-written neo-Platonists, my criticism would be to say the Greeks were too intellectual, believed too much in rationality. But these people originally learned this training because it will induce non-material perception, at which point there isn't any doubt that there are "other states" besides solid/liquid/gas, and that consciousness rides on something much weirder. ]]
I sometimes imagine that the Greek scientists of Platons day were so rigid because they were at war with the information being disseminated by the Oracles workers of their day - sort of the original struggle of science against religion, but in this case not a Christian religion.

I've never studied Yoga, as I mentioned in an earlier post. I'm starting to develop an understanding, which of course leads to appreciation, of their practices, and so I will very probably look a bit more deeply into that pool of understanding.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
Thank you very much Jim, very very much!

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

1) Do the vibrations (a manifestation of the expenditure of energy) shrink to zero because they have run out of the material that powers them..?

5) The Hebrews ...having lived with the Egyptians for so long, they copied their understanding of PI measuring, but they made one error. They simply rounded each result as it appeared, rather than rounding at the end as the Egyptians had done. Thus the Egyptian measure was more accurate. All of this I can prove, by the way, so it's not conjecture.

31. ...I am more or a verbal thinker than a mathematical one. But we need both kinds, right?

35. Just a thought that occurred to me as I was writing this - suppose, just for conversations sake, that there is a third force.

1.It's the edge that shrinks to zero, not the vibrations. The vibrations, or waves in the memeBrain, hit infinity when the edge shrinks to zero, which causes the torus to radiate an infinite number of copies of itself, which I believe at this point models the repulsive phase of gravity.

5. I would appreciate seeing that proof. Sounds interesting. π takes a big place in part II

31. Absolutely!

35. In Gospel of Thomas, Jesus says, '...Where there are One and Two, I am with You. Where there are three, there are gods..." Small g in original, I believe. One of the dualities, Oneness and Duality, or a One and Two sidedness at the same time, eliminates the need for 3 to hold them together...

Thanks again Jim. I will change version 2 to clarify point 1 more.

Neptune7 - you're very kind. I was hoping to contribute even a small portion to your good works. Good luck to you in your journey towards understanding.

[Kindred]

Magnetic Vortexes seem to be EVERYWHERE... Here's a recent article on SOTT (Signs of the Times) about how scientists have discovered huge Magnetic Toroids in the Milky Way halo... https://www.sott.net/article/491390-...Milky-Way-halo

Now, combine this discovery with what Nikola Tesla was investigating/discovering... this is a short excerpt from a longer piece on another thread..

"Subject : Telsla's Electric Car
Date : Mon, 07 Apr 1997 02:15:31 GMT

This is an excerpt from the book, "Secrets of Cold War Technology - Project HAARP and Beyond", by Gerry Vassilatos. - ISBN 0-945685-20-3

Tesla had already considered the condition of charged particles, each representing a tightly constricted whorl of aether. [A Torus] The force necessarily exerted at close distances by such aetheric constrictions was incalculably large. Aetheric ponderance maintained particulate stability.

Crystalline lattices were therefore places within which one could expect to find unexpected voltages. Indeed, the high voltages inherent in certain metallic lattices, intra-atomic field energies, are enormous. The close Coulomb gradient between atomic centers are electrostatic potentials reaching humanly unattainable levels.

.... Thereafter, Tesla shifted his attentions from the appreciation of the gigantic to an appreciation of the miniature. He sought a means for proliferating an immense number of small and compact aether power receivers.

With one such device, Tesla succeeded in obtaining power to drive am electric car." Link to full posting: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1613406

And then you have the Biofield of EVERY Living Thing...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p4SYv95cP68

However, do not confuse the biofield with the Astral Body that I described in a previous post on this thread. These are distinct aspects of the 9 energy bodies within humans. The biofield is primarily generated by the flow of blood (what the Thiaooubans describe as the Crystalline of the blood) as it is pumped throughout the body by the heart.

There are those that connect the Aura with the Biofield, but they too are distinct aspects of the human energy bodies, but certainly, they are ALL connected as all the energy bodies are. The Aura reflects both the physical aspect AND the Emotional aspect of an individual, particularly that of your Beliefs and Intentions.

It is unfortunate that we have lost (for the most part) the ability to see the Aura for that would help us tremendously in both healing as well as assessing / understanding more completely those around us.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Edit 5/18 - In reference to the blood (crystalline)... blood contains Iron and the shape of the blood platelets is that of a TORUS... and is thus Highly Affected / Imbued by/thru Magnetic Fields - and these Magnetized Iron Torus' are being circulated throughout the body.. THIS is how the biofield is generated.

[Jim_Duyer]

That's very interesting Kindred. It seems Tesla had some things figured out. I've studied Tesla for a book that I am working on - he was much deeper and more secretive than most would imagine. Remember when he claimed to have gotten a message - that the press said was from Mars? What he actually said was that it was from the direction of Mars, or where it was in the sky on that night.

And the message that they sent? I deciphered it. It was a simple "Hello" type of short, 3 letter code, but it was in Serbian, the language of his youth. And yes, it was from the quadrant of space that matches with what the Sumerians first told us was one of the planets of origin of our "masters".

[leavesoftrees]

Posted by Kindred (here)

They were particularly adamant that loud, discordant noise such as a motorcycle engine, or even 'music', can terribly 'upset' these electrons which can have negative repercussions upon the physical body. They point out that ALL these electrons are capable of storing INFORMATION, - Each Electron has the capability of storing all the information of a small library.. (all your thoughts and memories). The mechanisim is that these discordant noises introduce 'parasites' in these electrons - much like if you run a power drill next to a cathode-ray tube and cause a bunch of white dots on the screen. These parasites may take several lifetimes to be returned to their 'base state', dependent upon how badly they've been distorted. Obviously, beautiful soothing music or sounds can produce a positive effect... food for thought.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

I have always been affected by loud discordant noises. Motorbikes, power tools, barking dogs can be torture. Several lifetimes seems a long time to calm the parasites down to their base state. I would think that meditation, hiking far from mechanical noise would be of some help

[Kindred]

Posted by leavesoftrees (here)
I have always been affected by loud discordant noises. Motorbikes, power tools, barking dogs can be torture. Several lifetimes seems a long time to calm the parasites down to their base state. I would think that meditation, hiking far from mechanical noise would be of some help

You are absolutely correct... Meditation is a Key point, and Nature is the Best healer, as is sunbathing, beautiful music... being with and connecting with loved ones and others of like mind.

I try to do at least one meditation a day as well as daily walks / hikes over a mountain near me as I'm in a fairly suburban area with a highway... when I get above a certain level, all that noise fades away, and when I get to the top. all there is are fields and the sky with a grand view of the surrounding countryside. Magical!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Kindred]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
. Who is Ken Wheeler?

Ken is / has been on Youtube for a number of years under the avatar Theoria Apophasis...

If you go to his 'videos' page on Youtube, choose the oldest first... he's got Hundreds of videos on all aspects of energy, field theory and his investigations into the nature of Reality... just SO MUCH that it is overwhelming.

This is just one of several pieces on magnetism he's produced. To find more, just put in the youtube query field "secrets of magnetism"... you'll find that virtually ALL the video suggestions are from Ken.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h9S3ikiL3Ow

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Pam]

Posted by Kindred (here)

Posted by leavesoftrees (here)
I have always been affected by loud discordant noises. Motorbikes, power tools, barking dogs can be torture. Several lifetimes seems a long time to calm the parasites down to their base state. I would think that meditation, hiking far from mechanical noise would be of some help

You are absolutely correct... Meditation is a Key point, and Nature is the Best healer, as is sunbathing, beautiful music... being with and connecting with loved ones and others of like mind.

I try to do at least one meditation a day as well as daily walks / hikes over a mountain near me as I'm in a fairly suburban area with a highway... when I get above a certain level, all that noise fades away, and when I get to the top. all there is are fields and the sky with a grand view of the surrounding countryside. Magical!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Kindred, I have learned so much from your contributions to the forum. I remember being quite young and having some serious issues with back pain. I knew absolutely nothing about the benefits of "grounding". I simply noted that when my back was giving me problems laying on the ground and exposing the area of inflammation and pain directly to the earth had what I would call a drawing effect, I knew absolutely nothing regarding any science or meta physical understanding at this time.. Just a simple observation and a solution.

Little did I know that this observation would lead me down a never ending rabbit hole of mysteries and wonder.

I just want you to know that you are appreciated and provide those that are ready a whole field of interest ,study and possibly a whole paradigm shift into the nature of reality.

[shaberon]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
3. Where did the 10^-34s Time scale come from? The only discrepancy I see is that each vibration in between the still points are not quite static in Edge theory. More like a smooth sine wave than an instantaneous square wave, which your Yoga description seems to describe, if I understand that correctly?

4. I see the Platonic solids as a simplification of the relationships between the centers of manifested things. Make sense to you?

Hi,

I will try to get back into this, a little bit at a time.

Firstly, what we call Quantum Physics is derived from Optics. The study of light resulted in the observation that energy is "quantized", i. e., occurs in discrete packets, like a digital clock that "blinks" rather than an analog clock which "sweeps".

Because the smallest unit of energy has a definition, that means distance and time also have certain minimums--smaller than this, nothing can be observed, or, "time"--a subjective way to measure motion--can only occur in such a quantized manner.

At the speed of light, or Event Horizon, all time blends back together in a single instant--thus there would be no such thing.

I won't accuse medieval Indians of having advanced enough mathematics to compute/predict these conclusions; what Yoga says is that the Mind creates and destroys the cosmos every instant. Because this process is removable, therefor, Yoga is able to claim an additional or Transcendent view, which does not seem likely to happen, following the (later?) Greek adherence to Intellect.

I am not too sure how it works physically, or mathematically, but I will say that Transcendence is real, or even "more real" if you will.


Platonic Solids show the evolution of the Elements from stillness or darkness, from which, in the western or Alchemical language, a perfected compound or Quintessence is to be extracted. This, I would say, is their answer to Transcendence.

The Solids are transformed by Spherical Trigonometry. Maxwell's Quaternions are algebraic arrays. Neither one of those is Calculus. We hold that "academic" forces buried both Newton's Alchemy and Maxwell by imposing this math and their own lesson over it. More descriptively, I call it the Dead Souls philosophy.


What I am seeking is something like an Olive Branch. Comparatively, the problem with India is that she has been re-educated in her own works by English and European professors since the 1700s. It's not physically possible for any of those men to have understood what they were "translating". Therefor India is filled with all kinds of distortions, and so I am attempting to "clean up" Eastern and Western thought and find a reconciliation.


Now, Hesiod sounds quite a bit like the older Indian material, and we can be pretty sure India and Greece had something broadly in common at a basic level. Accordingly, I would say there is a Greek tradition that is virtually a copy of Yoga in its early stages:


Orthodox Hesychasm


As Europe is not an Orthodox country, then, towards the west, we find only a heavily veiled version within Alchemy, which had momentum from the Florentine Renaissance up to about Isaac Newton, and, since then, has perhaps gotten a little weirded out.

The difference with India is all her original material has remained fully intact, there is continuity, and it is a matter of scrutiny to weed out the extraneous, unnecessary, or foreign-induced material. India broadly has all ranges of theological/philosophical schools from atheistic materialism up to God as a Big Brother. What it does not have is the "aberrant" ideas, such as half-eternity, which I suppose is the major belief of the modern west.


India can also be differentiated by being resistant to the following:


a) wheat, which had spread eastward from Anatolia over thousands of years

b) writing

c) monuments


We are in an unusual position because of b), since we have been taught how "advanced" Egypt and Mesopotamia were, by showing evidence of writing since an archaic period, ca. 3,000 B. C. E..


Well, with a Rosetta Stone and a "Book of the Dead", do we have some kind of continuity of living tradition from the elders? Of course not.

India relied on spoken tradition.

There is only one sense in taking this as "revealed scripture". That is "the Vedas" of India, which may just as well be called "the Veda". Why? As the main example, the Rg Veda contains over 1,000 hymns, consisting of over 10,000 verses. Yet, this is identical from Gujarat to Orissa, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, covering a vast geographical area and numerous "peoples".

Is there anything like this in the world?

No.


On the other hand, for works from the "age of writing" such as the Mahabharata, from the handmade originals, no two copies will be found alike.


The Veda has been described as a "human tape recorder".

I'd like to suggest a few "ages" of mathematics related to observables. Currently, since the 1880s, we have the "discovery" of Plasma and the development of Quantum Mechanics, up to the point we are, now, sort of trying to work past the "Standard Model" or sensing that something is incomplete. Along the course of research, medical plasma has suggested a reason for Vedic mantras, or, why they seem to be male-dominated. The reason is that male DNA is more susceptible to damage or mutations, and that the mantras operate the Plasma Individual in such a way as to protect/heal this.


Interestingly, it turns out that "Rg" is a term developed in the history of the hymns, and that, originally, the subject was simply Mantra Veda, or, that is, mantra knowledge.

So we go from something with zero evidence, to something that is among the most advanced language in the world, in terms of meter, nuances of grammar and double entendre, inter-textuality, and so forth, again it is something almost beyond compare.

By "Yoga", I mean this as the "Root", to which some kind of commentarial tradition is necessary. I, personally, am a Buddhist, which I would describe as simply its own Yogacara which is different from other schools in only a few ways.


As you can probably tell, I am going to claim that Sanskrit is Immaculate, to an ancient time, and then I am going to deny that this is as ancient as the "oldest writings".

The Vedas contain six of their own supplements, called "Vedangas", most of which are simply linguistics such as the grammar, and a ritual manual. There is only one "subject", Astrology. Time.

If we look at this, there actually is such a thing as Day Zero.

This is pivotal, because we have to consider "observables" intuitively.

For example, the Temple at Thebes ca. 3,000 B. C. E., was made at a certain stellar alignment; over the course of centuries, humanity would be forced to discover "equinoctical precession".

Mythologists seem to find this a common problem among ancient cultures, such as if you had a Bull God presiding the Spring Equinox, he would be dethroned, eventually turn worthless. This may cause a religious problem or other confusion. But also, the stars were, of course, crucial for directions, especially since man had been sea-faring in these early times.

The next thing that happens is the Pole Star is no good anymore.

Whatever people may have thought of as Divine Revelation about Time and Directions became warped, as if reality was melting.

In India, we can determine the older construct in the "IVC culture" based on using Draco as a pointer to the Pole Star. The Veda is a transition to the Porpoise.

The Day Zero that is employed is, most likely, beyond "prior estimates". We have some uncertainty due to sizes of things and acceleration, but, it has a likely minimum age of around 1,350 B. C. E., up to perhaps maybe 1,800 B. C. E.. This would represent the point where a "standard table" in vernacular was compiled into a collection of revealed hymns. The hymns themselves call it Secret or Concealed Knowledge.


From there, we can track western developments that are not part of Indian Astrology, such as the Decanates and the Zodiac. The Zodiac is absent from Indian lore until being absorbed in the ca. year 200-500 range. I think this represents the bane of the west, as well as its possible salvation. I would suggest that what the west has to offer may be expressed by:


Gemini


with the result being:


Music


Particularly in the area of Harmony. Indian music is ultra-melodic. The Harmony we use as chord voicings and so forth is developed from Music of the Spheres--mathematical ratios similar to the Platonic Solids. For India, Music is the Fifth Veda, so this would not be a deviation.

Most of the other "foreign developments", such as the Tropical Zodiac, or half eternity, do not fit or will not work.

In Greece, the "Spheres", or planets, are theoi, which is the same as divinity. "To move, to wander" sounds to me like a form of Prime Motion, which is the same as the Vedic One Power, Asura.

Modern scientific work confirms that nothing is ever truly "at rest" and there is no inert vacuum anywhere.

Here is what the Veda postulates axiomatically:


Immortality in a state of Liberation from sin and sorrow


Moreover, it specifically says its Masters have already achieved this.

It is *not*, itself, directly a Yogacara, that is, it does not provide detailed instructions for what it is talking about. That is because it is a recording of hymns of praise, which would have been understandable to the audience. One of the most obvious things is that it discusses Solar Energy flowing through all the kingdoms on earth, thus the Sun is life and consciousness itself.

Unfortunately, the Veda has had two periods of being buried and forgotten, first probably by 1,000 B. C. E. to the time of Buddha, and, then again, from around year 200 to present. It is probably not until Sri Aurobindo around the 1930s that anyone has gotten back to it asking some of the right questions.

Well, as a Buddhist, as I have studied the understanding and use of Indra and Agni, and, then I turn to "Puranic Hinduism", I'm going, what is this? A lot of what I am able to find on a popular level does not match what I am pursuing, which, instead, seems to go straight through the Rg Veda, in the sense of the meaning of its mantras.

On a practical level, I am what you could call handcuffed, that is, I can only give one answer on matters of Yoga. Otherwise I am constrained to say "that belongs to such-and-such a school". My response would be the collective force of 3,000 years of Sanskrit exegesis from the Rg Veda through King Ramapala.


The phrase that caught my attention in Edge Theory is the contrast of Infinite and Finite. This is like the Greek "wall of Aether" which in turn is pretty similar to the Vedic description.

I would say the practice of Yoga is a subjective, personal way that causes one to experience the Plasma Individual, without having the deductive computations. It's not that mathematically advanced. The old Astrological measurements are off, and their calculations go to inaccuracies. And then in the cutting edge sense, we get the observation that Plasma, a sun-like material, really is the main vehicle of health and consciousness. This is like a huge bubble of the Unknown from then to now that is going to collapse.

It has no real meaning outside of Sanskrit, it cannot really be translated, as the active agent is the Speech itself. The original Sanskrit is Mantra, which means "to protect" (tra) the Mind (Manas). We may note this same "Manas" is used indifferently for "soul, spirit", or if you were to talk about astral projection. The language itself has a spiritual purpose. It has a value system already built in. This is the language and culture of Friendliness, that is its own self-definition.

I have learned it is awkward for some people to get used to "deities". In Theravada it doesn't matter if the idea or image of meditation is a coffee cup. Advanced Buddhist Yoga is nothing other than Deity Yoga. It would be, so to speak, a personalized or individualized way of augmenting something similar to a Vedic rite. What is happening is that we are "harnessing"--by way of slowing down--a natural process which is the same as going to sleep or dying.

Vedic failure is Darkness, success is Light, i. e. one sees clearly through all conditions without the "swoon of consciousness", loss of continuity, disorientation, fear, etc., untroubled.

[Kindred]

Back in about Oct 2010, before I joined PA, I had a Profound Experience in the form of an early awakening at 4 am where I had a DIRECTIVE to write the following piece. I don't/won't/can't say where this DIRECTIVE came from, but it consumed me for about a half hour. It became the focus of my VERY FIRST POSTING on PA, and this thread prompts me to repost it here. I will also provide a 'rendering' that I created a number of years back relative to this DIRECTIVE in regards to this question of duality, and particularly with the idea of masculine and feminine energy.
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When thinking about The Beginning… it always had to BE.

No Beginning. No End.

Infinite. All Encompassing.

How IS it to BE?

By OPPOSITES…

INFINITE, PURE OPPOSITES…

ZERO (0)… and, ONE (1)

A Most Basic Binary Construct

It is a flow of energy… contained, immaculate.

ZERO… as an INFINITE VOID

ONE (Singularity)… INFINITE, also… but… there is a bias.

ONE comprised of TWO Parts, to Create a Flow Of Energy, Within Itself.

LOVE – FEARLESSLY EXPANDING INTO THE VOID, CREATING ALL, EMBRACING ALL, EXPERIENCING ALL…

FEAR – RETREATING , FLOWING BACK INTO LOVE, Comforted Within Love BUT, at a lesser degree.

Creating an Offset, a Bias, Towards INFINITE EXISTENCE WITHIN & WITHOUT the VOID.

This Cycle is Most Base… All EXISTENCE is Of This

Each ONE, is the Same as All Others

Each at their own energy state, within this Most Basic Cycle of Energy

FEMININE Defines this Pure LOVE, Radiating Into the VOID, CREATING ALL

MASCULINE, Emanating from the FEMININE, Defines the FEAR of the VOID, circling and seeking Comfort Within the Sphere of the FEMININE

And, Through the Energy of the FEMININE, the MASCULINE finds LOVE, And, TOGETHER, CREATE MORE LOVE (LIFE) THAN EACH INDIVIDUALLY.

Throughout ALL Eternity
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Now, the rendering of this concept in terms of a Magnetic Vortex (Torus):



Note that the Arrows represent the Spirit Force, and the Tetrahedrons represent the Body Force. (Seth, by Jane Roberts states that there is a 'Body Consciousness' and a separate Spirit Consciousness - It is our Spirit that provides the 'Guidance' to the Body, and without the Spirit, the Body can no longer continue.)

The highlighted portion of each Force being the Active 'direction'.

But, Know that Each of us carry Both Feminine And Masculine Energy. However, at this 'level' of physical manifestation, the separation / duality is quite strong, thus the two distinct sexes.

Now, in regards to the 'magnetic vortex', it is to be noted that Ed Leekskalen (Coral Castle) pointed out that what we call North and South magnetic poles and which is postulated to be One Force with a Polarity, are really INDIVIDUAL flows of magnetic force, and these forces can be unequal in strength.

M.T. Keshe, an Iranian born Jewish physicist, had postulated that ALL the 'particles' that have been postulated to form all matter, were actually VARIATIONS of THREE magnetic poles (either 1 North and 2 South, or 2 North and 1 South), all with specific 'spins' that cause the differentiation between the 'particles' that we postulate as existing.

But, TRULY, ALL there IS, is INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS...
and that CONSCIOUSNESS is rooted in LOVE.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

("I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." Max Planck, father of Quantum Physics)