ETs and the Alien God Theory: Fact or Fiction?

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Helvetic (here)

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Helvetic (here)
"Observer" = Watcher

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
'The observers have very highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessarily evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained. In the loosely-knit societies of the Western world, particularly in England and America, it is fairly easy with the help of friends to do this but not in police and dictator states.’

And "Watchers" equals entities of dubious intent.

All the work of others I've listened to points to them being Lucifer's Goons more than watching.

Not really Norman. From my own experiences I can tell you that they also call themselves Lucifer. But Lucifer means "Light maintainer" this has nothing to do with the devil. The statue of Liberty is also a Lucifer. The watchers are the middle men between the "The Collective" and people with certain tasks, missions.

By the way, in the book Bill Ryan mentioned there is a very nice description of what "The Collective" is:

"In the end they found the ultimate key, to dispense with their physical bodies altogether and become intelligences free from the shackles of time and space, to integrate finally into one great universal intelligence. This Great Force was then able to influence and bring order into the whole universe and where life was most prolific and creative it steered the evolution of Man in their own original image."

• Who Is Lucifer? (Milton William Cooper):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KLJSgw94qnA

I personally met Bill Cooper face to face in London UK, 4 months earlier when this Shortwave Radio Broadcast happened called:

• William Cooper - Mystery Babylon Hour 19 - Lucifer Worship & "Free Masonry" 5.12.93:

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v3jjxoe/?pub=ir01b

[Helvetic]

When we talk about Watchers, it has absolutely nothing to do with what Bill Cooper is talking about. Again, Lucifer translates as Light Maintainer or Morning Star. Has nothing to do with the "Devil". I'm talking about first-hand experience here. Please don't mix things up.

[Heart to heart]

Helvetic, thank you for your word on the Watchers.

Perhaps I could share with you what I have been taught of these beings.
Maybe you would comment and share your experience?

I seem to remember in one of my videos I spoke about an experience with my camera and a Watcher when staying in Ireland in 2012.

The photograph of a Watcher turned up when I was taking pictures of Orbs around midnight. At the time I thought it was a ghost but when consulting with Robin, the oracle I have worked with since 1995, he received information on the mystery, and that what I presumed to be a spirit form was in fact known as a Watcher.

Quote: “There are also people on this planet experiencing stuff, and these are called the Watchers, the Seers, that are just experiencing what they see. They can’t act upon it, but they just take it on board. It is a little bit like filming a situation, it is recorded and placed somewhere. The Watchers record and report. They have no thoughts about what it is that they have seen or what they have done, it is just recorded and placed for somebody else to view, and that is your GODSOURCE.

It is your viewing capacity of the planet as such.

We are watched, my children, just as you are watching others.

Do not think by watching it is a pure waste of time, because what you are eventually doing is mimicking what you are seeing.”


“The apparition that was created in your form of pictures was an apparition, an understanding process that there are other beings on this planet that walk the Terra Firma in a different way to yourself.

Now for us to let you know that we are here, and for you to understand that we are here, we have to create an understanding for your eyes to see, so therefore the form is the creational process of a from that you wish or need to see. So we give you the opportunity to see something that you can understand, which is another form of humanity, a human form in the shape of your own, dressed much as the way you would expect somebody to dress that might be OLDER THAN YOU IN FORMULATION.

So, that energy thought format was a pure projection for you to understand that there are beings that are called THE WATCHERS.

They are just watching what you are doing, what you are seeing, and trying to understand what it is that you try and do with the lifestyle that you have. There is no reason, no being, and no momentum behind what it is, other than watching.

So, the bottom of this truth is you visited a picture of a Watcher. The Watcher created a form for you to understand. All it was was letting you know that there is somebody else here on your planet doing something very different to you, BUT YOU ARE WATCHED BY THEM.”
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[HopSan]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

If ... BIG "IF" ... some Alien Races in far ancient times were actually "Master Geneticists"

I'd remind of late great Lloyd Pye:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IgvqZixAzm4

He had a great hunch... That possibly cost his life.

[Helvetic]

Heart to heart, thank you for sharing your experience.

I would like to share a small excerpt from a face to face conversation from 2011 with an observer, watcher. I think you will like that.

Question: Why you came and visit me again?

I came to see you because your vessel times 100s of generations of us, created us, that means we are related to you.

Question: We are related?

Only the vessel is related, souls are not. Nobody is related to anybody. If the soul metamorphoses small endings are left behind, the birth of new simple souls are born. They all looking out to find a fitting vessel. They attract each other like magnets. If they fit the connection is made. New souls only fit in primitive vessels, where old souls move in higher complex vessels.

Question: Old souls, do they die?

No, “old” doesn’t mean old. Some are around since beginning of time, but they don’t fit in any vessels any more. They exist in pure energies and glow in the most spectacular form of a perfect soul.

They love the suns that’s their place to be, they are known as the “Solars” or we say “Star Huggers” to them, others give them names like the “Seeders” too. They have astral bodies too and are made of pure energies. They can take forms of ordinary vessels too. They exist in big groups, and they balance the universes, dimensions and time.

[Jim_Duyer]

Excellent discussion and topic. I can only add what the ancients tell us, in Sumerian tablets as well as in the Old Testament, hidden. And that is that there are two groups - one led by a group from the Captain of the expedition, and the other by the XO. The Captain, over time, decided to claim himself god and his first act was to split up the people and languages so that they would be easier to control and less likely to struggle against his group. The XO group wished to stick to the mission plan, which was to place all of the rescued ones into a group and the result would eventually be a blended society, with one language and one mixed color scheme. This would lead to harmony, since they would all be one great big family. The two groups eventually fought and the XO lost.


We were brought here from seven main planets, together, about 75,000 years ago, apparently due to some cosmic disaster that effected an entire zone of space. While the XO's group has been attempting, behind the scenes, to get us back on track into a blended total, the Captains is still intent on introducing war and strife to keep us apart.
Neither group has a great many members, but the half-gods or mixed ones are the big problem - they believe themselves superior to the rest of us and have little or no sense of pride in humanity. Meanwhile the Captain's group has been taking small selections of humanity off-planet and away for slavery since the beginning.

[norman]

Posted by Helvetic (here)
When we talk about Watchers, it has absolutely nothing to do with what Bill Cooper is talking about. Again, Lucifer translates as Light Maintainer or Morning Star. Has nothing to do with the "Devil". I'm talking about first-hand experience here. Please don't mix things up.

Are you saying that you are a luciferian or a member of one of it's protection shell secret societies then ?

[Agape]

Consider the following: advanced and complicated theories about the beginning of the Universe , this or that planetary system are timeless and countless so are theories about origins of mankind.
Implying pure phenomenal logic, we are unable to deduce either “state of matter” before Creation ( Manifestation, Existence ) of this Universe or “who we were” before we were human , without advice.

Advice may be twofold , manifold, good and bad. Even great truth may have sharp and cutting edges while “great white lie” rings true bells to your fears.

Speaking from deep inside of ET perspective who carried our remote ancestors and landed here, by accident. The event ( found in “The Bodhgaya ET Event Report -2002-2010) resulted in emergence of ancient, primitive humanity some millions years ago supervised by couple remaining “entities” seen by some humans as Gods or Angels.

And so forth.

My ears have been opened to other people’s experiences, theories and deductions.

It could prove interesting if all the relevant knowledge concerning advanced ETs and their claims about mankind were collected and the message filtered by future AI.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-75zm2mKmAg

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[Helvetic]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Helvetic (here)
When we talk about Watchers, it has absolutely nothing to do with what Bill Cooper is talking about. Again, Lucifer translates as Light Maintainer or Morning Star. Has nothing to do with the "Devil". I'm talking about first-hand experience here. Please don't mix things up.

Are you saying that you are a luciferian or a member of one of it's protection shell secret societies then ?

No, norman, neither of them. I'm not in the military, I'm not in any secret club, and I'm not in any government organization.

[Denise/Dizi]

Hi Tam!

(Long post alert, and just my opinions, feel free to pass over)

I am going to answer the questions as if you were asking me directly, and just throw out opinions and ideas... All based upon my own contact experiences which were very POSITIVE... I will not say they're all the ultimate truth, but it was presented to me in such a fashion that I did believe the circumstances at the time, and did believe the information I received at that time, fit the situation overall... But keep in mind this is from one outside perspective. And while I believed it was an honest assessment, from their point of view, I very well could have been "made" to believe it.

I love that you are bringing up such topics... I would love to hear from other experiencers based upon their own contacts...


== Some questions to open up the floor: ==

Are aliens really extraterrestrials in the strictly conventional sense (example, Pleiadians really are from the Pleiades physically)?

I think that perhaps it could be both physical entities that are claiming Pleiadian heritage , that may also have the ability to somehow morph matter into some fashion that can also create holographic or illusionary visions of individuals, which are more what people would call transparent entities, or "supernatural" to give another description people could consider... I cannot imagine a planet being visited from afar and those visiting the planet, not yet having mastered the same types of technologies we can find at any large amusement park or mall... (Disneyland ghosts)

But really, unless they take us to their homeworld, we are left to only determine if we believe they are being honest with us.

Just to note, I was told MANY Earth humans have Pleiadian hertiage as well... It's a big place, and it isn't just blonde blue eyed individuals who live there... To believe that is short sighted in my opinion.

If not, then what are they, and where are they from?

Holographic projections? Or a form of such, using technologies perhaps we have yet to discover? And if they are not from where they claim to be, how could we know (for certain) until we map out our surroundings further? As far as actual physical forms, if they're not from where they claim to be, we won't be able to get their home world out of them, for their own security.

Why the sudden push for Disclosure?

It's my guess that there was a deadline in place long ago, and PTB kept that from us, and we are quickly approaching that deadline. They were told, as far as I can tell, that if they do not disclose, it will be taken out of their hands... I was told the deadline would be 2030, at which time there would be many craft appearing in our skies... but I may have been misinformed, or circumstances may have changed... And more recently more individuals seem to be point to the same timeframe as I was given, which honestly surprises me...

Many are "Meeting them" already... In preparation for the 2030 date. I was involved with the Meet and Greet in 2014 and 2015... As far as what happens after you meet the group I met? Some are being trained as interpreters, some being trained to help should the public panic... And some being trained in warfare tactics should something go wrong... And many are getting an all around training course in many if not all of those things...

Why are contactees always so...off?

What do you mean when you state many contactees are "Off"... If you mean they seem like the "hillbilly, living in a trailer on a deserted country road", and should have the name "Billy Bob", I think it would surprise you to learn just how many people are having experiences that are tested as genuises, who hold stable relationships, and very intelligent careers, and are quite "Together"... They just don't talk about such things... They're aware that it could label them as an outcast, or they just resume their daily life, taking their experiences with them in doing so...

There is another phenomenon that happens when you initially start a dialogue with a telepathic creature as well...

Our brains, while super processors, can only process information as fast as it can... The et have super fast minds, as well as technologies that can transfer alot of data into the mind in one fell swoop. Literally you can be given a lifetime worth of knowledge instantaniously, and the only thing that limits you accessing that knowledge? Is the speed at which your brain is able to both process that raw information, file it away, and make it accessable. IF you catch someone who has recently received a download of sorts, or some form of mind link, it may be that the mind is still busy in the background processing the information that was sent to it instantaniously.

When I had my contacts begin, I was given a major download. The reason I was given a very large download that overwhelmed my mind, is that it allowed for "Them" to process how long it took for my mind to get through that initial data, and to file it away for future use. Everything I did for several weeks... (a little more than a month)... seemed "out of place", as it felt like I was operating in slow motion, as it took me extra time to even think about each action I was supposed to participate in... It was like I was on some sort of drug that slowed my reaction times down to the point that it did seem as if something was wrong with me. But I was able to get through it by suggesting I was tired, or that I am sorry, "I was thinking about something else"... What was really happening, was the majority of my processing power of my mind was still busy in the background filing away all of tht information, leaving very little power to process just daily life.

This eventually stopped as the last of the information finally got tucked away, and from that point on, all downloads came at the speed my brain processed them... But it was a process.. And not a fun one to be sure. So this MAY BE why some contactees or abductees are always talking slow, and kind of behaving as if they're on some form of medication that slows their reactions and or responses to normal stimuli. Their brains may still be otherwise being utilized... But if you give them some time, and this is the reason, eventually you will get past that...

What does the Phenomena have to gain by telling us they're our creators?

There are many things that could be accomplished... If they wanted to control us... Telling us they "made us" would set the stage for them to be our "Overseers"... Especially if they tell us they made us to mine for them as slaves in the past... Their advanced technologies could help them to indeed control the masses as well, as the tech does exist to drive your body, using remote methods, in a way that bypasses your own neurology... Just an exhibition of that capability once, may be enough to make the majority of humans bow down in front of some et, and give over their sovereignty to them. But that isn't what the et I met want... They believe we are finally at the stage of development where we know there is a need to earn self defense, but we (in their eyes) are also ready to join the larger picture of other planets and other species as a fresh new addition to the whole, so long as we can manage ourselves in an appropriate way.

Is there really such a thing as the Galactic Federation, and if so, why are they interested in us?

I do believe that there are many different groups of species from other parts of many galaxies... And there are many versions of what people are calling "Galactic Federation"... This is just the one most people refer to when speaking of such things... Why are they interested in us? Well, we are interested in them, we are a curious species, we have intelligence, we have grown on a planet with millions of different forms of life, and we believe that is normal... We would be a great "prospect" when it comes to living in a larger picture, and being introduced to alternative forms of life. We love to learn and discover... We are wise enough to know peace accomplishes more than warfare, but we aren't afraid to defend ourselves.. We adapt quickly, there are many reasons.. But for the most part, when they approach you on a one on one basis, the reality is, most want a peaceful existance with others, but live in a world full of chaos. When it comes down to individuals, we care... Even if we war a lot.

Why does the hybridization program exist? What is the end goal?

Genetic upgrades. Partially to allow us to be in space, partially for better mind power, they're turning on a lot of the "Junk DNA" we already have within us. Many are getting information upgrades. Look at the human mind as a processor of information, and our genetics as the code it reads.. they can trigger some codes to turn on, and on many cases I think they are trying to make the perfect human for our future endeavors... I could be wrong, but the feedback coming in is that we are developing, not devolving... Until you get to the illness and injury numbers, we seem to also have someone or some group making a tremendous effort to disable a large majority of our population, perhaps to slow us down... (New illnesses that were never an issue 100 years ago to the degree they are now) MS-CANCER-ADD-ADHD, and the list goes on.

Keep in mind these are only my opinions, I don't claim to know and they are all one sided based upon the group I met.

Here's another fresh batch of questions to get the ball rolling:


[I] Why would an ET/entity benefit from evangelizing the idea that they created us?

See above... Control... Or the "Trust" to allow them to make changes to who we are... Maybe they did.... We just don't know for certain.

What is it about us that would lead them to tell us this?

Ulterior motives, or possibly they are checking their "herd", and compliance would be easier. And if we believe they made us we would be more likely to believe we should trust them. Changes are being made however, with or without complaince, with or without et. We all are recognizing that to some degree... Either TPTB didn't think they could stop it? Or the reasons they were given for why it was necessary to happen, were believed to be a benefit for mankind overall... Perhaps we are in danger? Who knows for certain, I wouldn't claim to.

Is there something about Earth that makes it particularly precious, or are we just an (admittedly pretty) backwater planet?

We are like any other planet... Nothing more nothing less... We are a resource, we have resources here... Just as any other planet may have. And we don't need to "Go to space"... We are already there, just as every other planet is... Once we recognize that? We will be forced to give up the thought process that somehow we are abandoned children, or we need to go somewhere else to feel valid...

Earth is precious to us... It's our home so yes it is very special. To others? I suppose it would be based upon the intentions of that individual species or group as to whether they see Earth as special... Or just another life form riddled with an infestation of fleas... (Humans) We can't answer that question until we meet other species and see their planets respectively... I would guess the more advanced, the more prisitne the planet would be, as they would realize it is their home and should be protected and taken care of.

I am under the impression that our planet is seen as a wonderful garden that harbors tons of life simultaniously, and for the most part harmoniously.. And this IS SPECIAL... Imagine a fishtank with only a snail in it, sitting next to another with abundant foilage, colorful salt water fish of all kinds, live rock, and all of the beautiful flora and fauna you could imagine on a scuba diving trip to an exotic location... Wouldn't that look special to you? We have temperate regions, snow, ice, desserts, valleys, rivers, mountains, and a sea to die for that we have hardly explored... We can't even travel enough in a lifetime to see it all and truly take it all in...

If ETs/entities did create us, why would they have done so, beyond what we've been told already?

Perhaps the answer is just to create new life? Perhaps so we could eventually be the caretakers of this planet? Perhaps to spread their civilization further... That last answer would be my guess... It is something we also want to do to insure our heritage lives on, should something catastrophic happen to Earth.

Especially considering many suggest those that abduct them, or meet them, look just like us for the most part. Or use genetically created drones that have our 5 star pattern. But these are just my guesses based upon a POSITIVE series of interactions with beings who claim to be hailing from a place located somewhere near Saturn...


Having tried to answer questions based upon my own interactions I realize that they were one sided, meaning I only met that group, and within that group there are still species that do not trust one another for some reasons they never told me...I got the impression they were being honest with me... I also got the impression, the end goal was to welcome us at some point to join their "Group" or "Federation" or whatever one wishes to call it... A galactic governess of some sort, that one involves themselves with, once they begin to ponder and actually accomplish leaving their atmosphere.

In their case they meet those in positions of power on the planet, but I got the feeling that they didn't like their pool of candidates to work with entirely, as of course those things are self motivated, and not always for the common good of the whole of the species being represented. Fortunately these "Neighbors" are aware of this. I was told many things and given many downloads...

Many of those "Downloads" took months to store away and much of that information has just to be "unpacked" in my mind... It seems to happen on some sort of schedule that was built into the download... What I can tell you is that many civilians of all nations are monitored, and their awareness and personalities are watched. Their thoughts are read, they take daily situations and see how one would react to such things. Most times the individual being used for such observations are completely unaware this is happening, and it could be happening on a world wide scale. This intrusion that we are not even aware of? Is being done to get to the real heart of humanity as a whole, who are we, are we kind and loving? Honesty? Do we operate from a place of warlike behaviors, or truly do those who do, just do so because they are ordered to?

I can tell you I was asked to participate in such a collection of information. I was allowed to decline... And as such I volunteered, and what happened after that was scenerio driven. A scenerio I knew they created would play out. And it would do so in real life, and in real time. I would then be asked after the fact, Why did I do this or why did I do that? Would I change that choice if given a chance?

The most important thing I want to impress here, is that I was shown that my own autonomy could be taken out of my hands, and there had to be a very large amount of trust that what I was handing over willingly, to participate in the program I was, was something I trusted into their care. I was under no illusions that it could have just as easily been taken out of my hands without them even so much as leaving a hint that my actions were not of my own free will at any time.. So when I am asked if my contacts were positive, I say absolutely... But in doing so I did learn that that didn't have to be the way they approached me... Or any human for that matter...

If they really wanted to take over this world, they could drone the entire population of the planet to walk on a line, and work as if an assembly factory of anything they chose to create. And everyone involved would believe that they rationalized it all, and were participating of their own free will. Who would show you this kind of control willingly rather than using it against you? Someone who wanted you to know for certain not to even try to fight them, as you have no chance? I don't think so, I think they showed me, because they wanted me to know if THEY could do it, others could as well... So if we are hoping to advance, we have a lot of growing to do before we set foot elsewhere... And I think they're helping in that regard.

Am I saying all et are good? No... They join each other for support.. For protection, for common goals.. In this case they want us to leave the planet working with them to preserve peace, and they're helping us to advance in technologies so we can, and be better equipped to work side by side with them to insure that. And in doing so they're giving us a great gift of being able to defend ourselves against others whose intentions may not be so kind...

On a side note:

Humans being humans, well they needed to fund certain objectives, so those with the most wealth surely got involved. Those are the same that want this planet to be "their's... " Cabal, TPTB, etc... And as such, they also benefit from the new advancements that are being shared with us... and that is NOT a good idea... But in order to keep the secrets of what is going on, comes the fact that while they have some of those technologies, they are unable to use them, or else others would know what they have... Which is fortunately for us!

I was told our computers were "Seeded" so that our train of thought as we built them, could always leave room for any one of them to get into our data at any time as well.. In fact I was told much of our technologies for a very long time were seeded or thoughts given for the creation of such things, to advance us in a certain direction... They're been watching us for a very long time...

There are a lot of moving parts, many were never discussed with me, and my posts above, are all my opinions based upon what I was told or my own opinions based upon what I was shown or experienced... Or just the overall sense I had while being engaged... . I do not claim any of it is solid information... I may have misunderstood some downloads, Or things may have changed...

I look forward to other ideas and explainations or the possibility of what such things could be from others perspectives.

[Kindred]

Well... lookee here... Article on Zerohedge;

Why Has The Vatican Chosen This Precise Moment To Drop Bombshells About UFOs, Aliens, & "Apparitions"?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ns-apparitions

"The Vatican has announced that it is set to hold a press conference on “supernatural phenomena” tomorrow, and it will touch on aliens and how it will deal with potential encounters in the future.

According to a notice on the Vatican’s website, it will kick of at noon tomorrow, and will feature three prominent Vatican members.

Being held to “present the new provisions of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith for discerning between apparitions and other supernatural phenomena,” it will be led by Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandex, Messenger Armando Matteo and Daniela Del Gaudio."

The producer of a new documentary entitled “God Versus Aliens” seems to believe that the Vatican wants to prepare us for the day when humanity finally makes contact with such beings…

"The documentary ‘God Versus Aliens’ is to premiere at the Cannes Film Festival and reveal the Vatican’s secrets about UFOs.

The award-winning filmmaker Mark Christopher Lee says that the Vatican publishing new guidance on apparitions means that the full disclosure about the UFO phenomena is getting closer.

He said: “The Vatican has been studying UFOs for decades and even has its own Cardinal appointed to deal with first contact. From my research I believe that this new guidance on apparitions is proof that they know that UFOs are more than just physical crafts from other worlds and that they have a paranormal side to them.”


"When things get bad enough, the world is going to be looking for a savior.

And if a “superior race” appears on the scene that seems to have all the answers, many people out there will fully embrace them.

For decades, books, movies and television shows have conditioned us to expect that someday we will interact with “aliens” from another planet. 100 years ago, everyone would have dismissed such talk as nonsense, but now we have been well prepared for the great deception that is eventually coming."


I will point to my first posting on this thread to support the above narrative from the Vatican... https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1611500

It was merely a matter of time before this 'disclosure' NEEDED to happen... Exciting times, indeed!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE