The Earth is encompassed in a Magnetic Vortex: 2024? No, 1693 A.D.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Hello all, hope all is going great for you and yours

TIME:
If you see and feel that reality is an allusion and we are in an Hologram, where dose time fit in?

One piece of a Hologram contains all the piece's and so no need for time in a hologram.

Time is a human construct to help us move into the hologram, helps us anchor a point of reference.

We would not be able to build within the hologram if we had no reference!

You see the main restriction, problem for humans is we have become to solid in our ways, because of the time we have created.

This is where meditation and mind releasing substances help, they release the anchor.

Alan

Thanks for those ideas - interesting. I've always believed that time was a self-made anchor as well, although I do not subscribe to a holographic existence theory. Time is irrelevant to woke thinkers - who often labor away for days at a time when things get interesting, but it allows weaker minds to form an excuse for their not moving forward as quickly as their potentials would allow. I believe that our task is to help them as much as possible - to overcome their dependence on self-appreciating goals and those activities that help them to forget what they could be.

[Denise/Dizi]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
Just an observation..

I believe years ago, I found an interview that someone posted on the internet, in which they claimed an alien grey was telling humans that they made a deal with humans to exchange things for "Lodestone"... And at the time, humans didn't see any useful purpose for such a thing in mass, so they agreed to give it away, yet later came to regret it... But the et highly prized these special magnets...

I am not sure if it still exists online, or even where I found it...

This begs two questions:

Why did both the Maya and the Aztecs collect liquid mercury into large pools under the levels of their temples? And also under the Pyramids in Egypt, and the associated cinnabar red that many very early native tribes from Europe to Africa paint themselves?

And - Why does liquid mercury start spinning in a magnetic field?

When we know the answer to these we will have another important part of the grand puzzle.

You know? I am going to say this... I know that mercury is/was often used with gold mining as it bonds to gold, and then can be removed later to retrieve the gold... But I am also under the impression, Perhaps wrongfully, but that spinning mercury somehow lends itself to some sort of useful nature in the creation of power (or possibly negating the magnetic fields around craft we are using in our atmosphere now)... in newer technologies ... when added to voltage and magnets... and whatever else they use for such things...

I had contact experiences, and during one, I was allowed to very briefly see two rooms in a craft. And in the second room, I saw what looked to be a spinning vortez of fluid in a tube that went from floor to ceiling.. It was such a quick view that I couldn't tell if the liquid was solid, or in a thick fume state, nor could I tell the color of the fluid. But it sure resembled liquid such as mercury, except for the color... It wasn't red, it was blue... BUT... The room was basking in a neon blue light. The entire room was lit in this color, and the fluid in this rather large tube appeared blue as well.. But I know that liquid mercury looks essentially like highly polished silver or rhodium... So the blue tint may have merely been the blue reflection of the blue light within the room as well... and the fluid possibly silver in color...

But I believe that somehow the spin induced by such things, either negates or can create some sort of gravity negation field, or power source.... Honestly in this stage of my life I regret not diving into science and engineering as it is all so fascinating to me.... I did find this video, in which it appears that neodymium magnets, charged with voltage can indeed spin around liquid mercury, so given that theory, if the magnets were stationary, and the voltage high enough, one could get the liquid mercury to spin as well... (One would think)...

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+...LhninPrtQ,st:0

I know that mercury bonds to gold, but I do not know what it repels... I did find this explanation when researching what spinning mercury could do, but it does not suggest whether or not it could levitate something off of the surface it rests on, once spinning high enough to do so

Conservation momentum. You spin mercury. And its mass increases. That is translated into angular momentum. Each atom of mercury is redirected. The shape of the container then directs some of that mass upwardly. That atom is slowed down in its frame and the atoms accelerated mass as inertia is absorbed by the liquid state in the volume around the viscosity of the mercury atom. as its then absorbed into the angular momentum of the stream more negated by the electromagnetic field. So there is less mass at the bottom of the container and more at top. The container lifts until the mass of the fluid is balanced again. The magnetic field is sort of holding the mercury in space but the container prevents it from exploding.

I do not know if it lifts in the new magnetic field? Negating the one holding it down? IE - our "gravity" or if something else happens...

its not viable for much though. Its a fun trick but requires a ton of electricity. You could contain the potential energy on board maybe with nuclear power, but then the mass of the container means the velocity of the liquid medium needs to increase exponentially.

sadly using superfluids wont work either as harvesting electricity from a superfluid would ruin the superfluid state. The device then needing to be extremely cold and extremely hot at the same time. So two input sources of energy are needed to square for the mass of the added nuclear material and such by the mass for nuclear material. using it for whatever means something loke a human for flight requires an almost third form of energy input to compensate for their mass as well.

it requires a ton of electricity for what is essentially a gimmick.

I left the end which implies we can't use it for anything, but that is assuming that no one has negated these other issues using other methods this individual is either unaware of, or is deliberately leaving out, so as not to imply that we can accomplish much with this method of spinning the liquid mercury...

I just do not know enough about it to know more.. But it would explain the lift of a craft, and the field generators that Bob Lazar speaks about when describing how the craft moves in different directions.. Or in the ARV's.. I find it all fascinating...

I am not sure what technologies we are using now, but I am fairly certain we are using field generators to negate the drag in both water and our atmosphere, allowing many craft as well as jets to really slice through what was once a major hurdle, and zip around as if literally there is no friction being caused by the molecules in our atmosphere...

[Jim_Duyer]

Denise/Dizi
I think you are correct that craft employ mercury. But mercury in its liquid state is silver in color, and so it would reflect the blue from blue lights and appear blue as well. My take is that they use mercury as either a power source (catalyst) or to stabilize the craft in turns.
A friend of mine held a PhD in Chemistry, and his twin brother a PhD in Physics. They submitted a patent for a ufo type craft that would employ mercury to balance the movements and that was powered by iodized salts. They were told the patent app was lost - their lawyer hand carried it in a second time - it was then denied, without any real reason, and eventually they obtained a patent in Canada.

[Jaak]

I also talked a bit about mercury in the Antigravity topic https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...rom-the-Public

[Kindred]

Here are a couple of videos on this idea of rotating mercury with magnets...

3:46

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=au4hbUm4mMo

One of the supposed uses for this technology... 1 min

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AZYyZleDFPY

And here's Stan Deyo discussing the concepts behind anti-gravity technology... 1 hr 17 min

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CsagEYfxPgs

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[shaberon]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
...a planet without a yellow sun.

As a consequence of Blackbody Radiation, the Sun itself is Green:


Today the Sun's peak wavelength is between 483-504 nm, which falls roughly inside the green spectrum. This is a reason why we can sometimes see a "green flash", before the Sun goes down.




Its appearance is planet-specific; here, it is the average distance between atmospheric molecules that cause the scattered light to appear blue, and the orb's appearance to us is the outcome of various filtrations of a green-dominated spectrum. Plants tend to be green as a complex way of equalizing their light absorption.


Ochre is a very common mineralized resource. Cinnabar is not as common, but, can still be obtained in a variety of geographical places. Certainly, in terms of India, it is not ochre that is important.


Now, there is a certain value judgment in what I am seeking. It has to do with there being a vast league of trade from India to Greece, and that, at a basic level, there was some mutual understanding of deities, astrology, and metaphysics.

This, unfortunately, was shattered, and the west developed different ideas in most of its philosophy.

Well, just as the major source of Lapis Lazuli can be traced to today's Afghanistan, and therefor the known civilizations of the mid-east and Egypt depended on this for their very definition, it turns out that India depends on something western.

Moreover, this is in the same time frame that would have developed after 3,000 B. C. E. and spread. In India, then, it would be relevant towards what we can define as Sanskrit culture replacing whatever the older IVC may have been about.

Despite other assertions, there is nothing about Vedic Sanskrit that remotely suggests it was the first language; it doesn't even say if other languages were derived from it. It is using the Sanskrit language to describe the discovery of the Path. We could even say it has discarded everything else. It is definitely a "beginning", not of mankind or all history, but of itself.


Here, I have no idea how this may be remembered in Greek or any other western traditions these days.

To me, this has a lot of significance, since it seems to be the same kind of thing, i. e., "developed by recent humanity", and expanding through a process of sharing.


Elizabeth Barber has pointed out that yellow is a woman's colour in the ancient world. Yellow dye was obtained from saffron (the dried stigmas of the crocus sativus), a plant which is shown being gathered by women in the Minoan fresco discovered in 1973 decorating the "lustral basin", a cultic room in which it is thought young girls underwent ritual initiations in connection with menstruation and childbirth, in the building named Xeste 3 at Akrotiri on the island of Thera.


Here are a few notes on the amazing Saffron Crocus:



The best-known Minoan Snake-goddess figurine shows her wearing yellow garments.


Saffron crocuses originated as sacred flowers of Crete. It early made its way as far into the east as India, carried along ancient trade routes. In the East, right down to the present day, saffron robes are associated with Buddhist & Hindu divinities & priests, & Buddhist monks & nuns, & with women's garments generally.

A Minoan fresco found at Thera in 1973 shows women dressed in yellow & orange-red, gathering saffron stigmas from crocuses, & offering them to a seated goddess or high priestess.

It is believed that saffron crocus originally grew nowhere but on the isle of Crete as a triploid sport of a Greek species Crocus cartwrightianus. The triploid crocus is sterile & it reproduces only by offsets on the corms. It cannot spread naturally, but declines if not dug up ever other year or so & the corms divided. That it even so spread throughout Europe & India & eventually into China was due to ancient routes of IndoEuropean traders.

The saffron dye & spice obtained from the three female style of each bloom had a value greater than jewels or precious metals, causing it to become the most widespread cultivar in the ancient world, from at least millenium before the rise of Athens.

This is exactly what is necessary for our system, along with Hingula:






Realistically, the ordinary person cannot afford piles of saffron powder, so, substitutes are used. The intent is that the real or best kind is saffron.

Moreover, I would say this has saturated our liturgy in almost exactly the same way as portrayed in ancient Crete.

So, if someone was smearing themselves with yellow mud, my response would be, well, forget that, try this "new" thing that has been "discovered", based in saffron, and elegant vermillion marks. Then you would have the first Sanskrit India as a widespread culture that had washed out what they considered infidel beliefs.

[shaberon]

Posted by Neptune7 (here)
"Immortality in a state of Liberation from sin and sorrow
Moreover, it specifically says its Masters have already achieved this."

That is exactly my own personal experience. Can you provide a like to 'it'?

I have been working on the second part, who were the Masters and what were they doing.

So far, there is no need to claim they invented the Sanskrit language, or, perhaps, a substantial portion of the mythology. It is possible there was a pre-Vedic Indra, in which case, they could only be said to be making a particular practice.


What we find definitely shows the limitations of original translations as well. They do not know how to handle this stem which does not appear in isolation:


Gva (ग्व):—ifc. See atithi-gva, eta-, daśa-, nava-.


Well, because part of this is fun, we will let Absolute Truth be introduced by a Magical Talking Dog in X.108:


Ṛṣi (sage/seer): saramā devaśunī;
Devatā (deity/subject-matter): praṇayaḥ


eha gamann ṛṣayaḥ somaśitā ayāsyo aṅgiraso navagvāḥ | ta etam ūrvaṃ vi bhajanta gonām athaitad vacaḥ paṇayo vamann it ||

(Saramā). Excited by the Soma, the Ṛṣis, the Aṅgirasas of the nine months' rite, headed by Ayasya, will come here; they will partition this herd of cattle, then the Paṇis will retract their words.



So, you see where the translator has interjected "months", which is not present, the phrase just says the Navagva Angirases.

She issued a threat that is backed by Ayasya.


This actually is someone paramount to the whole Rg Veda.

He makes a definitive statement as the composer of X.67-68:



“This great seven-headed ceremony, born of truth our father (Aṅgirasa) discovered; Ayāsya, the friend of all races, engendered the fourth (generation), reciting a hymn to Indra.”



Again, the line doesn't actually say "Angiras", it says "Pitr", which we know as the title of Yama, who discovered the Path, who is the King of Pitrs.

Ayasya has obviously just painted himself as the "third generation" of something, or, i. e. such as the Path revealed by Yama.

What he goes on to talk about was once taken literally, as a cattle raid, but this is an allegory exactly like Plato's Cave.


This is the brief overview.


Legend: Ṛṣi Aṅgirasa had a son named Bṛhaspati, who became the purohita of Indra, for the instruction of the gods. His cows were stolen by the Paṇis, and taken to Vala's city, and hidden in three places. Indra urged Bṛhaspati to go with the Maruts and look for them. Bṛhaspati begot the sun to light up the cave where the cows were hidden (events referred to in this sūkta). Bṛhaspati took away the cows after kiling the demon Vala and the Paṇis who chased him; seven-headed ceremony: i.e., accompanied by seven bands of the Maruts, or having seven metres;



The contents of the hymn make it obvious this is something more than a human being:


“When he acquires food of various kinds, when he ascends the sky or the northern stations, (the gods are) extolling Bṛhaspati, the showerer (of benefits), with their mouth, being in various (quarters), bearing light.”



Then, the translator completely ignored this part:


mūrdhānam abhinad arbudasya |



Arbuda is a famous mountain hermitage on the northern border of Gujarat. Everyone knows that. It has not been brought to their attention that it is mentioned here.


Moreover, Ayasya explains the next major part of what they are doing:



“The protecting (deities) have decorated the heaven with constellations as (men decorate) a brown horse with golden trappings; they established darkness in the night and light in the day; Bṛhaspati fractured the rock and recovered the cows.”


nakṣatrebhiḥ pitaro

Protecting deities: pitṛs, or progenitors, the Aṅgirasas, who appear to have been among the ancient astronomers, the inventors of the lunar asterisms (nakṣatras)


It is like a convention for designing a New Clock. It does not need to say they invented time or astronomical observations, but, something new and personalized is going on.


In turn, Ayasya is known to only one other person, Anga Aurava X.138, who only additionally speaks of Kutsa and Rjisvan. So that is extraordinarily early and small compared to the "saga of Indra" that rapidly unfolds in the hymns. Comparatively, it makes sense that this author fits in the lineage:


Uru Angiras --> Anga Aurava --> Havirdhana Angi



Uru is also considered the father of Sage Brhaspati. And we find the last of these stitched in to the descent from Yama.

Yama Vaivasvata, YamI VaivasvatI
HavirdhAna ANgi
VivasvAn Aditya
Yama Vaivasvata







The Rg Veda has a limited number of expressions for "change of state" of a human being; one of these is "the Navagvas become Dasagvas".


Now suddenly we are in a small room. The Veda would be unable to have any primordial Rishi descent that could be much different from "Yama, Dasagvas, Navagvas, Ayasya". And this is very constrained, because a "Dasagva" is named only one time, in VIII.12 where Parvata Kanva is trying to get Mada, exhiliration, which is how Indra protected the Dasagva Adhrigu, who is:



the trembling leader of heaven, (the sun), and the ocean.

Trembling: darkness-dispelling


Adhrigu is mentioned a few other times, without this title, so Parvata has told us something unique.


In a view of the next rank from secondary sources, Ayasya is near the top of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad lineage near Visvarupa, and:


A son of Pathyā and Atharvan.

1 A mystical name for the chief life-wind; सोऽयास्य आङ्गिरसोऽङ्गाना (so'yāsya āṅgiraso'ṅgānā)हि रसः (hi rasaḥ) Bṛ. Up. 1.3.8.



The Rg Veda has not quite said he is the son of Atharvan, who, from Saryata Manava X,92:


Atharvan was the first to invigorate (the gods) with sacrifices...



You find the fusion such as:


Yamatharvā manuṣpitā dadhyañc dhiyamatnata/

Gotama 1.80.16



And, as far as I can tell, there is only one other Navagva who is specifically named:


09.108.04a 12 yénā návagvo dadhiáňň aporṇuté


(which uses a present-tense verb)

“Tamutvā dadhyañggṛṣiḥ putra Īdhe atharvaṇaḥ/ Vṛtrahaṇam purandaram//” Ṛgveda, 6.16.14


Dadhyañc Ātharvan



And here, the entire Puranic corpus is based on Dadhyan, son of Atharvan.

And in this case, again, something went by unnoticed.


"Arjika country" is inextricably twined to one of the most important primordial Rishis. According to Gotama in I.84, it is the location of Dadhyan's Horse Head:


“Wishing for the horse's head hidden in the mountains, he found it in Śaryaṇāvat.”

“The (solar rays) found on this occasion the light of Tvaṣṭā verily concealed in the mansion of the moving moon.”


There have been centuries of floundering in other directions, but Yaska has already explained it is the Vipas (Beas) River in Himachal Pradesh.


And then in one of Vamadeva Gotama's hymns, the beginning is about Trasadasyu's generosity to the Purus, and the ending certainly suggests that a fair amount of this lore is widely understood:


Dadhikras hath o' erspread the Fivefold People with vigour, as the Sun lightens the waters.
May the strong Steed who winneth hundreds, thousands, requite with sweetness these my words and praises.


This is simple, Horse Head Rite is Immortality.


This is an important point, that Atharvan was the first practitioner, and may be the same as Yama. Moreover, "the Atharvan" carries forward in meaning as "the fourth priest". What this means is, the others are "jobs". If you can memorize the associated material, you can do it. The Atharvan, however, is that priest who has experienced the inner meaning of the practices and gained realization.


Rather than being about battles and kingdoms, the Rg Veda appears to be about Astrological Yoga that has a fairly specific origin, and, was heavily distributed in the time of Vamadeva, Atri, and Trasadasyu. The hymns continue to accrete for, maybe, about four generations after this.

Because Horse Head is famous, and Ayasya is not, it is likely the way he is filed in the library is most suggestive of the current milieu. Following him are:


Sumitra VAdhryaSva (including the Bharatas' Apri Hymn)
BRhaspati ANgiras (the origin of Speech, rather than mankind's evolution)
GaurivIti SAktya
SindhukSit Praiyamedha
JaratkarNa Sarpa AirAvata (the Sarpas are the Soma guardians of Arbuda)
SyUmaraSmi BhArgava


Ayasya and Dadhyan are the only recorded names that I know of, who joined what is mystically referred to as Seven Sages:


pitaro navagvāḥ sapta viprāso



The geographical areas they were interested in were Arbuda and the Beas River.

The subject material is rather emphatic that it is symbolic, that it is an inner and mental meaning, more important than its outer correspondences.

Reflexively, Navagvas are those who in turn qualify for Soma Offerings, are those who achieve Immortality.


Taken on a liturgical basis, in the single verse of Uru Angiras:


By whom Dadhyac Navagva opens fastened doors, by whom the sages gained their wish,
By whom they won the fame of lovely Amrta in the felicity of Gods.



This is the doctrine of, as far as we know, the physical father of Ucathya and Brhaspati, the founders of the earliest recorded lineages.

In other words, basically all of what we know as transmitted mantras, boils down to this.

This is referred to in various ways, by the transmission itself.


One compound is given by the Yamas in Book Ten:

X.14.5 states: Our fathers are ANgirases,
Navagvas, AtharvaNas, BhRgus.


From the Aindras in X.21:


Skilled in all lore is Agni, he whom erst Atharvan brought to life.
He was Vivasvan's envoy, at your glad carouse-the weIl-loved friend of Yama, Thou art waxing great.


And Gotama may be talking about the same person again in I.83:


Atharvan first by sacrifices laid the paths then, guardian of the Law, sprang up the loving Sun.
Usana Kavya straightway hither drove the kine. Let us with offerings honour Yama's deathless birth.


Or, you could say the sense of both of those is probably that Yama and Atharvan are the same, and the others are unique.


It appears that Dadhyan was a recently-established fact by the time of Uru Angiras, meaning before the whole Rg Veda.


It turns out that Dadhyan is discussed further in Yajur Veda:



50. (Pitarah Devata, Shamkha Rshi)

Angiraso nah pitaro navagva’atharvano
bhrgavah somyasah. Tesam vayam sumatau
yajniyanamapi bhadre saumanase syama.

Our parents and seniors, guardians of the nation,
are seers and sages of the facts of holistic knowledge
and law, scholars of the latest sciences, and experts of
technology and engineering, all dedicated to universal
love, non-violence and spiritual values and settled in
mind for the peace and prosperity of mankind.

Let us concentrate and dedicate ourselves to their
wisdom, grace and excellence, and magnanimity and
benevolence, for the reason of their devotion to yajna
and their contribution to the progress of society.




33. (Agni Devata, Bharadwaja Rshi)

Tamu tva dadhyahhrsih putra ’ idhe ’atharvanah.
Vrtrahanarh purandaram.

Then ‘Dadhyang’, man of science and
technology, and son-like disciple of the man of vision
and science, ‘Atharva’, further lights and develops you,
Indra’, i.e., electric energy, breaker of the clouds and
shatterer of the hidden sources.


That just copied Rg Veda.

It goes on to what appear to be over twenty pieces by Dadhyan personally.


So the Rg Vedic origin seems to be in a cryptic link of individual verses from Books Ten, Eight, and Nine. That is just how it appears to us, because, in context, it was firm.

The text moves what was discovered in its secret location into both the householder and wilderness traditions.

What we call Yogacara is an Aranyaka or Wilderness tradition, which is a symbolic practice based on life force, amplifying the Madhu or Honey Doctrine from Dadhyan. The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad represents the same area, Mithila, shortly prior to Buddha's birth. In that sense, a Buddhist is a follower of the Atharvanics, rather than the orthodox institutions developed in the Brahmanical commentaries.

[Neptune7]

Posted by shaberon (here)
As a consequence of Blackbody Radiation, the Sun itself is Green:

That's fascinating. Thank you for teaching us that!

[Kindred]

A friend sent this to me today... just the opening statement lasting one minute 'says it all'....revolution, LOVE, Mass Consciousness, Coherence, magnetism... Unity....

I haven't had the time to watch it all... but I will later today. (Always liked her 'stuff', regardless)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P7jxs1ST5kU

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Jim_Duyer]

"Immortality in a state of Liberation from sin and sorrow
Moreover, it specifically says its Masters have already achieved this."

Could we perhaps agree that Freedom is a state of Liberation from the worries about sin or sorrows,
and that Immortality is an earthly expression of an other-worldly energy that manifests itself
in what is perceived, by native humans, as lasting nearly forever? My research tells me that in ancient Sumeria, at least, the reason that the less-powerful right-hand good guys were still beholding to the evil left-hand forces of the Captain (Enlil) and his crowd, was due to their control of the cloning machines that extended their appearance and presence on Earth?

[shaberon]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Could we perhaps agree that Freedom is a state of Liberation from the worries about sin or sorrows, and that Immortality is an earthly expression of an other-worldly energy that manifests itself
in what is perceived, by native humans, as lasting nearly forever?

Maybe.

The superior translation I would say is Deathless:


a-mrtyu

a-mrita


is the Saffron Water in our consecration.

The only thing that could be "deathless" is Manas, or "mind", and so the result means an unbroken continuity of consciousness. One to which death means nothing.

Then, yes, this is definitely unearthly, other-worldly.

If you are doing Yoga, it means to "yoke", that is, to fuse oneself to such a condition.

Vedic "Moksa" does not seem to have any connotation of "removal from reincarnation or existence", but does have to do with the dropping of fetters. From my current understanding, it leaves us in the riddle that sexual and violent acts are not, in themselves, sins, because that has to do with the mentality and reasons in play. Neither is material well-being, although it harps on Greed more than anything--"Panis".


Concerning the other world, this is exactly the meaning of one of the oldest deities in the Rg Veda:


Vishnu Trivikrama


vishnu = "to pervade all space"

trivikrama = "striding the three worlds"


which of course is talking about Consciousness.



Moreover, this would probably be the most important person in the Rg Veda, properly assessed:


Trasadasyu Paurukutsa Gairiksita


because firstly, here we can criticize the text on this one point.

Trasadasyu was so important, he inspired what are considered to be the only redactions in the work.


Not to the extent that anything is fabricated, but, there are a couple of instances where referring to him should not have been physically possible for the Sages at that time. So this is a form of "extreme praise".

Secondly, it is usually only "important" people who have three names.

I had to dig to get the last one. It is only cited in one place. And, what is interesting is the meaning of it:


Vishnu Trivikrama


And so his name means he is the son of Purukutsa--as he is called everywhere else--and both of them are from a "race" or lineage of Vishnu.

Even worse, we know where that is.

Because everything I posted previously about the beginning few generations of "Sages" is like a bubble inside this.

As we saw, a conflict had started with the Panis.

This has to be considered a "resurgence", because, before these stories happen, the western or Afghani frontiers had already been conquered by Emperor Mandhata.

Mandhata is not an Arya. He is a foreigner, who saved/helped the Aryas in an event that is not recorded.

This is the reason Ramayana Kings' Lists look different, because he was from the east, around the Ganges.

The Rg Veda does not record anything from his tribe in the interim. But then Trasadasyu is his descendant.

So what appears to be the most important person in the Rg Veda is a non-Arya foreigner.

There was an exchange of favors, since the Veda records taking over part of Bihar, when these easterners had fallen on hard times. After that comes Trasadasyu.


It could be technically incorrect to say that Uru Angiras is the first "recorded" Rishi; it is probably the case that he is the first who can show a chain of descent.


At least theoretically, the oldest one must be Mandhata X.134.


Could it be authentic? It talks about Indra, but not a single exploit, there is no Vala, nor Vrtra. Instead of these battles, *all* of his verses use the refrain:


- - the divine progenitress has given birth to you, the mighty (gods), the sovereign of man; the auspicious progenitress has given you birth.



Its last verse looks different because it is by:


Ṛṣi (sage/seer): godhā


which is feminized, and, her interest is:


mantraśrutyaṃ

we follow the teaching of the mantra


As far as we know, the descent and lineages of Mandhata fade, and then there are more incursions from the northwest.

The hymn has no historical indicators that would make it an anachronism, instead, it verifies that "Rik" is a "new word" that came to be applied during the accretion of hymns, because the original intent was calling it Mantra Practice.


Now, to get utterly creepy, we notice that Book Ten begins with a big cluster of Yamayanas. There are only two more, and, we just guess they might be strategically placed. Here is where we find one of them:


MAndhAtA YauvanASva
KumAra YAmAyana
JUti, VAtajUti, ViprajUti, VRSAnaka,
Karikrata, EtaSa, RSyaSRnga (VAtaraSanas) [Muni Hymn]
SaptaRSis
ANga Aurava


Following Mandhata is something that could generically say "child of Yama". Sayana's comment is that it is someone who has visited Yama and returned and therefor *earned* the name. This is a "conversational" hymn where a couple of verses mean that it is Yama speaking. We are getting a description about the experience of encountering the Pitr, the first Immortal:



“In that leafy tree where Yama drinks with the gods, there the progenitor, the lord of the house, invites us to join the men of old.”

“(At first) I beheld him with anguish inviting me to join the men of olden times, and walking with that fell design; but afterwards I longed for him.”

“The new chariot, wheelless, single-poled, but turning everywhere, which you, my child, mentally formed-- you stand thereon though you see it not.”

“The chariot which you, my child, have driven down to me from the sages above, the Sāman has driven it back again from hence placed on a ship.

Who was the father of the child? Who made the chariot roll away?
Who will this day declare to us how the funeral gift was made?

When the funeral gift was placed, straightway the point of flame appeared.
A depth extended in the front: a passage out was made behind.

“This is the dwelling of Yama, which is called the fabric of the gods; this pipe is sounded for his(gratification), he is propitiated by hymns.”



After this, you have a set. We find a few terms that are above "Rishi or Sage". The Sage is able to see and know mantras and their meaning. A "Kavi", "poet", lives in this state. Here, a "Muni" is like a "Kavi", except this is something specific to Wind Family. The following hymn by "Seven Sages" turns around using a "Wind speaks" verse. In all likelihood, "Seven Sages" have multiple manifestations, as does "Manu". But only from the beginning of this myth cycle. The key here is that the other version of Seven Sages with Kasyapa is later. Out of all things that are legendary or cycled one or more times in the Veda, there is *no* Kasyapa in any of the Old Books, before there is the Sage Kasyapa composing his hymns.


His timing is such that Kasyapa's son knows Trasadasyu.

All of the Puranas have taken this event, which happens during the Vedic accretion, and shifted it to the beginning of the world and its complex history from the first human being.

The Rg Veda has no more complex history other than the first man did not happen until creation.

It only seems to be concerned about Speech becoming Mantras. In this regard, the conclusion of this Seven Sages hymn says:


“The tongue (being cleansed) by the ten-branched hands (of Prajāpati is) the forerunner of speech; with those (hands) the removers of disease we touch you.”


They had a chance to dictate the family tree of the human race, and they invoke Medicine deities.

Since we know that Anga is in one of the highest possible positions in the recorded lineage, my guess is that Mandhata, Kumara, and the Munis have been placed there as indeterminably old and hard to trace.

Mandhata doesn't clearly have a kingdom or successor, but, is the most famous of them all, the first Cakravartin or Universal Emperor. And, watch where this goes...Buddha was Mandhata.

As Gautama Siddartha, he was born in the Angirases, i. e. he physically is from the Trasadasyu ethos.

Therefor, Mandhata was imperfect/not a full Buddha, and his story appears to be that success went to his head and he succumbed to greed.

And, all of the Rg Veda is a subset of these Ikshvakus of Ayodhya, of whom the Vasisthas are the priests. Correspondingly, it is unable to give any prior information than the Vasistha that enters its recordings. So there is a gap. All we know is Mandhata came from "something", which re-appears a couple generations after the first transmitted Arya recordings. They just happen to become, what appears to me, the most influential and important factor of all.

[Jim_Duyer]

I got this in my email today = it should be up on youtube very soon .......
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES EPISODE 171: MESMER MOZART MAGNETIC TRANCE MYSTERY REVEALED!
SPECIAL LIVESTREAM FRIDAY NIGHT MAY 31, 2024 8:00PM EST FEATURING LIVE IDEAS ROOM Q & A WITH DJ & MISS OLIVIA!
THE MESMER MIND SECRET

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt goes deep exploring the mysterious connection between Mesmer's mind secret and Mozart's music. DJ looks at the widespread use of hidden magnetism methods in secret societies and Mystery Schools for mind control and enlightened trance induction.

[Kindred]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
I got this in my email today = it should be up on youtube very soon .......
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES EPISODE 171: MESMER MOZART MAGNETIC TRANCE MYSTERY REVEALED!
SPECIAL LIVESTREAM FRIDAY NIGHT MAY 31, 2024 8:00PM EST FEATURING LIVE IDEAS ROOM Q & A WITH DJ & MISS OLIVIA!
THE MESMER MIND SECRET

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt goes deep exploring the mysterious connection between Mesmer's mind secret and Mozart's music. DJ looks at the widespread use of hidden magnetism methods in secret societies and Mystery Schools for mind control and enlightened trance induction.

Back about 10 years ago there was a youtube channel that delved quite deeply into the Masonic Lodge In Philadelphia where the painted mosaics in the main hall were symbolic of the 'unraveling' of the magnetism's 'secret', and linked it to Coral Castle's creation by Ed Leekskalin (sp) using 'forgotten Egyptian levitation' techniques. I had provided some cad drawings I had made of his 'motor' in the anteroom of the structure... was never followed up. Perhaps it still exists...

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Kindred (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
I got this in my email today = it should be up on youtube very soon .......
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES EPISODE 171: MESMER MOZART MAGNETIC TRANCE MYSTERY REVEALED!
SPECIAL LIVESTREAM FRIDAY NIGHT MAY 31, 2024 8:00PM EST FEATURING LIVE IDEAS ROOM Q & A WITH DJ & MISS OLIVIA!
THE MESMER MIND SECRET

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt goes deep exploring the mysterious connection between Mesmer's mind secret and Mozart's music. DJ looks at the widespread use of hidden magnetism methods in secret societies and Mystery Schools for mind control and enlightened trance induction.

Back about 10 years ago there was a youtube channel that delved quite deeply into the Masonic Lodge In Philadelphia where the painted mosaics in the main hall were symbolic of the 'unraveling' of the magnetism's 'secret', and linked it to Coral Castle's creation by Ed Leekskalin (sp) using 'forgotten Egyptian levitation' techniques. I had provided some cad drawings I had made of his 'motor' in the anteroom of the structure... was never followed up. Perhaps it still exists...

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Thank you = I have no problem believing that some of the upper brotherhood of Masonics are behind this and a great many other things hanging over our heads.

[shaberon]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
...the mysterious connection between Mesmer's mind secret and Mozart's music.

It's not a mystery.

That is the point, Mozart and Haydn composed based off of Athanasius Kircher's Music of the Spheres, which is harmony based in the geometry of the solar system.

This is what the west has come up with that may be beneficial, that is non-Indian and independent.

The fact of it being groomed with Mesmerism or Animal Magnetism is *not* independent or is not really a different discovery than found elsewhere.

The opposite of this, Hypnotism, is what we will call in modern times, Advertising and Politics.

So, yes, it is one motor that has two choices for its operation, up or down.


Considering the era in history, this is very informative in terms of the real Mesmer and Cagliostro, rather than the ones painted in slander and accused of crimes. It is possible to understand secret societies a little better if you consider this part of a historical arc through Malta, Florence, Prague, Vienna, Berlin, St. Petersburg. Something neither-Catholic-nor-Jewish but more like Byzantine Humanism. Not successful in western Europe but grounded in Russia.

Isaac Newton had a thread of this and he was inverted and used in ways that might have disturbed him.

The next corresponding discovery was Plasma.

We are putting the two together, Animal Magnetism and Plasma, to have what I would say is the more useful description of human existence today. That is, in a western language. It is simple, you follow these in a healthy way and you are unaffected by the Hypnotism that runs the world.