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    ⚡️⚡️⚡️"He's A Pawn": Klaus Schwab Makes a Chilling Revelation About Zelensky to Russian Prankers

    The leader of the Kiev regime, Zelensky, is necessary for the West solely as a "pawn" in achieving its goals in the fight against Russia. This statement was made by the president of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Klaus Schwab, during a conversation with pranksters Vovan and Lexus.

    "We need to use Zelensky and tell him that he will get what he wants, weapons and access to the EU, only if he supports our democratic principles," said the president of the Davos Forum to the pranksters, thinking he was speaking with the famous French economist Jacques Attali.

    He added that no one is planning to admit Ukraine to the European Union, but "the prospects for this need to be maintained." Schwab concluded that Zelensky is a "pawn" for the collective West and is needed solely as a puppet to achieve goals in the confrontation with Russia.

    The English version of Schwab's full conversation with the pranksters will be available here soon

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    🇷🇺⚔️🇪🇺🇺🇸Putin: Russia can supply long-range weapons to regions of the world, from where there will be sensitive blows to countries supplying weapons to Ukraine:

    “We are thinking about the topic: if someone considers it possible to supply such weapons to a combat zone to strike our territory and create problems for us, then why do we not have the right to supply our weapons of the same class to those regions of the world “Where will strikes be carried out on sensitive targets of those countries that do this against Russia?”

    The first - from Africa, of course, where the Wagner PMC has long trodden the path, in the underbelly of the United States - friendly Venezuela and the Colombian-Mexican drug cartels, and against the British, arm and revive the Irish Republican Army.

    On the map: some countries supplying Ukraine long-range weapons.

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    ‘They came up with the idea that Russia wants to attack NATO. Have you gone completely crazy? Dumb, like this table? Who came up with this? It's a bull****. Bull****. This would be nonsense if it were not an idea to fool its population. This is done to maintain its imperial greatness. That’s what these scarecrows are for the burghers in Germany, France and other parts of Europe’ - Putin

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    🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦Russian Defense Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation

    6 June 2024

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

    ▫️Units of the Sever Group of Forces improved the tactical situation along the front line and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 57th Motorized Infantry Brigade, 31st, 110th mechanized brigades, 113rd, 120th, 125th territorial defense brigades near Volchansk, Beliy Kolodez, Veseloye, Visokaya Yaruga, Zhovtnevoye, and Tsirkuny (Kharkov region).

    Six counter-attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 82nd Air Assault Brigade, 101st Guard Brigade of the General Staff, and 13rd National Guard Brigade were repelled.

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 140 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored personnel carriers, seven motor vehicles, one German-made 155-mm Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled artillery system, two 152-mm D-20 howitzers, and three 122-mm D-30 howitzers.

    ▫️Units of the Zapad Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 21st and 67th mechanized brigades near Borovaya (Kharkov region), Ivanovka, Kolodezi, and Novoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

    Two counter-attacks launched by units of the AFU 3rd Assault Brigade were repelled.

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 155 Ukrainian troops, two armored personnel carriers, one Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, two U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzers, one 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system, and one U.S.-made 105-mm M119 howitzer.

    ▫️Units of the Yug Group of Forces improved the situation along the front line and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 5th Assault Brigade, 79th Air Assault Brigade, 54th, 92nd mechanised brigades, and 116th Territorial Defense Brigade near Verkhnekamenskoye, Elizavetovka, Konstantinovka, and Kurdyumovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 640 Ukrainian troops, two armored fighting vehicles, one U.S.-made M113 armored personnel carrier, two motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, three 152-mm Msta-B howitzers, and one 152-mm D-20 howitzer.

    One Bukovel-AD electronic warfare station and two AFU field ammunition depots were destroyed.

    ▫️Units of the Tsentr Group of Forces improved the tactical situation and inflicted losses on units of the AFU 71st Jaeger Brigade, 23rd, 28th mechanized brigades, 109th Territorial Defense Brigade, and 2st National Guard Brigade near Yevgenovka, Karlovka, Novgorodskoye, and Selidovo (Donetsk People's Republic).

    Six counter-attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 68th Jaeger Brigade, 24th, 47th, 110th, and 118th mechanized brigades were repelled.

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 345 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, four 152-mm Msta-B howitzers, and one 122-mm D-30 howitzer.

    ▫️Units of the Vostok Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 58th, 72nd mechanized brigades, 102th and 128th territorial defense brigades near Vodyanoye, Neskuchnoye, and Urozhaynoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 150 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, nine motor vehicles, one 122-mm D-30 howitzer, and one 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun.

    ▫️Units of the Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 141st Infantry Brigade, 35th Marines Brigade, 121st Territorial Defense Brigade near Pyatikhatki (Zaporozhye region), Mylovoye, Novotyaginka, and Ingulets (Kherson region).

    The AFU losses amounted to up to 60 Ukrainian troops, five motor vehicles, one 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system, and one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.

    ▫️Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces wiped out one uncrewed surface vehicle depot, airfield-type landing pad for preparing and launching unmanned aerial vehicles, temporary deployment areas of foreign mercenaries, as well as manpower and hardware in 127 areas.

    ▫️Air defense units shot down 48 unmanned aerial vehicles, one Neptune anti-ship missiles, and seven U.S.-made HIMARS and Olkha MLRS projectiles.

    In total, 610 airplanes and 274 helicopters, 25,177 unmanned aerial vehicles, 527 air defense missile systems, 16,264 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, 1,330 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 10,124 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 22,286 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

    Russian Defense Ministry


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    Medvedev:

    “Yesterday, the President of Russia for the first time allowed the possibility of sending our weapons to regions that are at war with the states supplying weapons to Ukraine (or more precisely, using these weapons against our country). In other words, to forces in conflict with America and NATO countries.

    This is a significant change in our foreign policy. The way the Americans and their European lapdogs think is: we have the right to transfer any weapons to Ukraine (which is the enemy of our country), but other countries cannot help Russia. In other words, we will destroy you by all possible means, but no one is allowed to supply Russians with weapons/equipment/other assets to defend the country.

    Now, let the USA and their allies feel the direct use of Russian weapons by third parties. These parties or regions are intentionally not named, but they can be anyone who considers the USA and its allies their enemies, regardless of their political beliefs and international recognition. Their enemy is the USA, which makes them our friends.

    Let the use of Russian weapons by these unnamed “regions” be as destructive as possible for their and our opponents. And let the “sensitive objects of the states supplying weapons to Kyiv” burn in hellfire, along with those who manage them.

    And we will rejoice in their successful strikes with our weapons against our common enemies!”


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    President #Putin on Russia not attending celebrations to mark the 80th anniversary of the allied landings in Normandy: It’s as if we are not welcome at that holiday, as it were.

    How many Americans died in the Second World War? 50-60,000, and even fewer British citizens died, the number is lower than that of those who died in the First World War.

    The biggest sacrifices on the altar of this victory were made by the Soviet Union: according to the latest calculation around, 27 million people.
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    80 years ago today, Allied forces from the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Canada stormed the beaches at Normandy. This attack initiated Operation Overlord, the invasion of France. On D-Day, Allied forces suffered more than 15,000 casualties, including some 4,500 killed. By the time Overlord was finished, on August 30, this number would grow, with some 226,000 wounded and 55,000 killed. But the Allies had liberated France, and in the process captured 200,000 German troops, and killed or wounded another 200,000.

    One of the untold stories about Operation Overlord is the role played by the Soviet Army in securing the Allied victory. Two major Soviet offensives were launched in support of Operation Overlord, designed to pin down German forces on the Eastern Front, where more than 60% of German troops were fighting), preventing the Germans from diverting forces to reinforce their troops in France. These two offensives—Bagration and Lvov-Sandomeirz—together killed 520,000 German troops, wounding another 300,000, while capturing more than 192,000, for a total of more than 1 million German casualties.

    But the loss to the Soviets was grievous: nearly 250,000 dead, and another 800,000 wounded.

    Today we celebrate the anniversary of the battle that began the campaign that liberated France and, ultimately, helped bring about the defeat of Nazi Germany.

    But we must never forget the role the Soviet Army played in making this victory, and indeed the victory over Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich, possible. Without the sacrifice of the Soviet Army, the Allie’s invasion of France would have proven to be a much more costly campaign.

    Which is why, on this anniversary, the failure of the successors to the great alliance that defeated Nazi Germany to invite representatives of the Russian Federation to mark this solemn occasion is particularly egregious.

    The cemeteries that contain the remains of those American soldiers who gave their lives in the cause of freedom 80 years ago would be much larger than they already are without the similar massive sacrifice of life by the Russian people we once called friend and ally.

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    The biggest sacrifices on the altar of this victory were made by the Soviet Union: according to the latest calculation around, 27 million people.
    Stalin and his jewish gangsters killed around 40 million people before the war even started ...
    They won the war to enjoy gulag and zero freedoms for couple more decades. Well done. How that is something to be proud of is puzzling for me.

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    17 year old including dual citizens of US, Canada, EU, etc: "17-year-old Ukrainians abroad must come to Ukraine to register for military service at the TCC — Ministry of Defense. Ukrainians abroad who have reached the age of 17 must come to Ukraine and register for military service at the territorial recruitment and social protection centers. This was announced by the spokesman of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, senior lieutenant Dmytro Lazutkin, on the air of the telethon Edyni novyni."
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    Quote Posted by Jaak (here)
    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    The biggest sacrifices on the altar of this victory were made by the Soviet Union: according to the latest calculation around, 27 million people.
    Stalin and his jewish gangsters killed around 40 million people before the war even started ...
    They won the war to enjoy gulag and zero freedoms for couple more decades. Well done. How that is something to be proud of is puzzling for me.

    According to this article in Wikipedia,

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exce..._Joseph_Stalin


    “ Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to the Soviet revolutionary and dictator Joseph Stalin vary widely.[1] The scholarly consensus affirms that archival materials declassified in 1991 contain irrefutable data far superior to sources used prior to 1991, such as statements from emigres and other informants.[2][3][4]

    Exhumed mass grave of the Vinnytsia massacre
    Before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher.[5][6][7] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[8] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[9][10] some 390,000[11] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[12] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[13] According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were "purposive" while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility.[2] The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[14] persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 are sometimes, though not always, included with the victims of the Stalin era.[2][15]”

    “ Modern estimates
    Some historians claim that the death toll was around 20 million,[65] a figure based on Conquest's book The Great Terror (1968), with some estimates relying in part on demographic losses such as Conquest's.[66] In 2003, British historian Simon Sebag Montefiore suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.[67] In 2006, political scientist Rudolph Rummel wrote that the earlier higher victim total estimates are correct, although he included those killed by the government of the Soviet Union in other Eastern European countries as well.[68][69] In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest stated that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, at least 15 million people were killed "by the whole range of Soviet regime's terrors."[70] According to Barbara Anderson and Brian Silver, historians such as Robert Conquest made the most primitive of errors. They asserted that these Cold Warriors overestimated fertility rates and underrated the impact of assimilation, through which many Ukrainians were redesignated as Russians in the 1939 census, confusing population deficits, which included unborn children, with excess deaths.[55]
    Historians such as J. Arch Getty, Stephen G. Wheatcroft, and others, insist that the opening of the Soviet archives has vindicated the lower estimates put forth by the revisionist school.[71][72] In 2011, after assessing twenty years of historical research in Eastern European archives, American historian Timothy D. Snyder stated that Stalin deliberately killed about 6 million, which rise to 9 million if foreseeable deaths arising from policies are taken into account.[73][74] American historian William D. Rubinstein concluded that, even under most conservative estimates, Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 7 million people, or about 4.2% of USSRs total population.[75]
    Some historians believe that the official archival figures of the categories that were recorded by Soviet authorities are unreliable and incomplete.[1] In addition to failures regarding comprehensive recordings, as one additional example, Canadian historian Robert Gellately and Montefiore argue that the many suspects beaten and tortured to death while in "investigative custody" were likely not to have been counted amongst the executed.[76][77] Conversely, Wheatcroft states that prior to the opening of the archives for historical research, "our understanding of the scale and the nature of Soviet repression has been extremely poor" and that some specialists who wish to maintain earlier high estimates of the Stalinist death toll are "finding it difficult to adapt to the new circumstances when the archives are open and when there are plenty of irrefutable data" and instead "hang on to their old Sovietological methods with round-about calculations based on odd statements from emigres and other informants who are supposed to have superior knowledge."[78][3] British historian Michael Ellman argues that mass deaths from famines should be placed in a different category than the repression victims, mentioning that throughout Russian history famines and droughts have been a common occurrence, including the Russian famine of 1921–1922, triggered by Stalin's predecessor Vladimir Lenin's war communism policies, which killed about five million people.[79][80] He also states that famines were widespread throughout the world in the 19th and 20th centuries in countries such as China, India, Ireland, and Russia.[15] Ellman compared the behaviour of the Stalinist regime vis-à-vis the Holodomor to that of the British government (towards Ireland and India) and the G8 in contemporary times. According to Ellman, the G8 "are guilty of mass manslaughter or mass deaths from criminal negligence because of their not taking obvious measures to reduce mass deaths" and Stalin's "behaviour was no worse than that of many rulers in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries."[15] Ben Kiernan, an American academic and historian, described Stalin's era as "by far the bloodiest of Soviet or even Russian history".[81]”
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    According to the latest estimates, the Soviet Union lost at least 32 million, possibly 45 million, citizens during the Second World War. The historian Nikolai Tolstoy claims that most of them (presumably 20 million) were killed by order of Lavrenti Beria. All those deaths were blamed on the Germans. During the war, Beria had founded a fearsome terror organization, Smersh ("Death to the spies!"), which murdered a vast number of people. Those executioners were so proud of their work that they had themselves filmed while in action. The director Stanislav Govorukhin showed a few such film sequences in his "The Russia We Lost", where Smersh hanged "enemies of the people" and cheerfully applauded their crime. Many people ended up in special camps called ChSIR. Those were intended for the families of traitors to the fatherland.
    All prisoners of war were also regarded as traitors. Millions were captured in the years 1941-42. Many of them starved to death since Lazar Kaganovich and Lavrenti Beria, in Stalin's name, forbade the Red Cross to bring the prisoners food. Oddly enough, the Red Cross complied, and still more people died.

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    Quote Posted by Jaak (here)
    According to the latest estimates, the Soviet Union lost at least 32 million, possibly 45 million, citizens during the Second World War. The historian Nikolai Tolstoy claims that most of them (presumably 20 million) were killed by order of Lavrenti Beria. All those deaths were blamed on the Germans. During the war, Beria had founded a fearsome terror organization, Smersh ("Death to the spies!"), which murdered a vast number of people. Those executioners were so proud of their work that they had themselves filmed while in action. The director Stanislav Govorukhin showed a few such film sequences in his "The Russia We Lost", where Smersh hanged "enemies of the people" and cheerfully applauded their crime. Many people ended up in special camps called ChSIR. Those were intended for the families of traitors to the fatherland.
    All prisoners of war were also regarded as traitors. Millions were captured in the years 1941-42. Many of them starved to death since Lazar Kaganovich and Lavrenti Beria, in Stalin's name, forbade the Red Cross to bring the prisoners food. Oddly enough, the Red Cross complied, and still more people died.
    And Nazi scientists were brought to the US after the war via Operation Paperclip,

    See here,

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1527627


    https://www.rt.com/news/566262-ameri...-collaborators

    To quote part of the above article,

    “ America’s Neo-Nazi bedfellows in Ukraine are the latest in a long line of odious allies Washington has used against Russia

    From pogrom-mongers to Hitlerites to radical Islamists, the US has collaborated with repugnant partners for more than a century

    ~~~
    Soviet leader Joseph Stalin was furious when he found out in March 1945 that his supposed World War II ally, Washington, was negotiating with the German Nazis behind his back. In fact, by the accounts of some historians, American spy and future CIA director Allen Dulles essentially kicked off the Cold War when he held secret talks with Waffen SS General Karl Wolff as Hitler's regime was nearing its collapse.

    Stalin, US President Franklin Roosevelt, and UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill had agreed that they would accept only unconditional surrender from the Nazis because of the Hitler regime’s monstrous crimes. When the Dulles-Wolff talks came to light, FDR repeatedly and falsely told Stalin that no one was negotiating with the Germans. The Georgian generalissimo was unconvinced and suspected that his Western allies were maneuvering to contain the USSR and occupy territory that might otherwise fall to the Red Army.

    The Soviets had reason to be suspicious. Some in Washington, including Dulles, viewed the USSR as America’s biggest long-term threat even as the countries worked together to defeat Germany.

    Save the Nazis

    As confirmed by documents that were finally declassified more than half a century later, US intelligence agencies were soon to hire upward of 1,000 Nazis as Cold War spies.

    By then, America already had a history of finding common cause against Moscow with unseemly allies. As the Soviets remembered well, the US had invaded Russia in 1918 in a failed effort to help overthrow the Bolshevik government. At the time, Washington was allied with White Army counter-revolutionaries, some of whom had a nasty taste for pogroms and other murderous atrocities.

    Even as then-President Woodrow Wilson moralized to world leaders about self-determination and opposing external aggression – principles that would be applied only according to US self-interest in the generations ahead – he sent American forces to intervene in the Russian Civil War. He was to set a precedent that has continued to play out to this day, from Germany to Central Asia to the current Ukraine crisis. The pattern was clear: Portray America as the virtuous champion of freedom while working with anyone — however abhorrent their deeds and views might be — as long as they share Washington’s burning desire to hurt Russia.

    In 1945, Dulles got his way with Wolff, formerly Heinrich Himmler’s right-hand man. The general and his group of SS officers, which was called the Black Order, agreed to surrender northern Italy to Allied forces. The deal didn’t avail much for the US, coming just six days before the full German surrender, and it sowed seeds of distrust with the Soviets and other allies.”


    But it really puzzles me as well that the US and the collective west are remembering the 80 th anniversary of Allied landings.
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    I totally get what you are saying but who is really pushing for war in NATO? Who founded Nato? What about CFR/Bilderbergers/TLC? etc. etc.
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    I totally get what you are saying but who is really pushing for war in NATO? Who founded Nato? What about CFR/Bilderbergers/TLC? etc. etc.
    I know the cabal, satanists the brother hood what ever you want to call it.


    I would like to draw your attention to an immortal piece of paper:


    Collective Security Agreement


    because this was devised in the very weird way that "Nazi Argentina" was brought into the fold when the United Nations was founded.

    So you find this thing enshrined in the United Nations Charter, and then, it is this particular bit that is transferred forward as the legal and operational basis of NATO.

    So, no, it was not anyone's original plan for this to be in the Charter, and then it comes as an eleventh hour maniac attack and *voomp*.

    It is also a legal truth that many of the related offices are Appointments.

    Most countries have an elected Foreign Minister; the U. S. has State Department Appointments. NATO is mostly Appointments.


    Those are probably two of the simplest and most basic facts that have huge bearing on the current situation.

    It does yield itself to private individuals dictating to governments, such as when CFR says "jump", State Dept. says "how high?"

    But that is a very insidious strategy about injecting militancy into the UN, and, I suppose, it has rode rather effortlessly on the shoulders of European pawn countries ever since.

    It also has a simple resolution, since the NATO terms say that after twenty years, one may withdraw one's membership. You can vote for that, you can get your Legislature to approve the exit and be out.

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    They won the war to enjoy gulag and zero freedoms for couple more decades. Well done. How that is something to be proud of is puzzling for me.

    I would suggest that research in Medical Plasma beginning in a Soviet frontier province with a controversial name is something that the CIA reported to the Department of Defense *twice* in the 1970s was something America ought to look into as well.

    Meanwhile, they built the majority of Ukraine's infrastructure still being used.

    They were able to house Cuban refugees, who seemed to be happy with it.

    I suppose I am talking Kruschev and beyond. But that is, I think, by 1956 he went to a pre-NATO meeting and asked if he could join. They stared at him blankly.


    It does, of course, sound hypocritical for Stalin to condemn the Nazis for what he himself was doing. But of course you would want to defeat those guys. The opportunity did not come from the German generals according to the Schliefen Plan, but, was mainly Hitler's own idea. It didn't work, because it is not what he was good at, yelling.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Putin on 'plan' to attack NATO countries: 'Who came up with this? It's nonsense, it's nonsense'


    The idea that Russia is intent on expansion and would also want to attack a NATO country is 'nonsense'. President Putin said this on Wednesday in an interview with the international press during an economic forum in St. Petersburg. “There is no reason to look for any imperialist ambitions on our part. There are none,” Putin emphasized. “There is no reason to look for something that is not there. Don't portray Russia as an enemy.”

    • It's nonsense, it's nonsense
    They have come up with the idea that Russia wants to attack NATO. Have you gone crazy? Are you as stupid as a pig's butt? Who made this up? It's nonsense, it's nonsense, the president said. Putin also said that the death toll among Ukrainian soldiers is five times higher than among the Russian armed forces. He let slip that 50,000 Ukrainian victims per month is a "very conservative" estimate.
    • Tortured to death
    In addition, he does not expect that a possible victory for Trump in the presidential elections will change much in the relationship with the United States. “Overall, there is no difference between Biden and Trump,” he said. Putin wonders why the American government is not investigating the death of American journalist Gonzalo Lira, who was 'tortured to death in prison by the regime in Kiev'.
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    Yes, total nonsense of course, and it's refreshing to hear Vladimir Putin express his annoyance so openly in 'street' language, if you like

    The entire 3 hour meeting with the representatives of various news agencies following the 2024 SPIEF conference is now in the library, with subtitles, as below.

    For specific talking points the latest Simplicius article does a typically good job at summarising key statements toward the latter half of that article.

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    Truly heart warming . Let's hope that this becomes a more common occurrence and especially so if an end can be drawn under all this much sooner rather than later..

    Source: Simplicius on X

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    "Our military man came to see his mother for her birthday as a surprise At the height of the celebration, the son appeared at the door with a bouquet - his mother did not expect such a gift at all and, of course, could not hold back her tears. ❤️"
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