Beyond reckless traumatic adversity

[Michi]

What would be a higher level of "reckless, traumatic adversity"?

In numerous NDE accounts are statements like "you signed up for this hardship" or "you agreed to this arduous experiences before entering this body".

This sounds to me like a desperate escape out of boredom - to experience a real hell ride.
Isn't this just like a"pissing contest dramedy TV show" with subsequent collection of trauma which has to be dealt with later on?
I don't get it - what's the take-away here?

And a spiritual being doesn't need drama nor adversity to grow - it is already grown up and able to take on any viewpoint or emotion. He doesn't need to live it in order find out what it's like.

To my view - only out of complete utter boredom, a being might dive recklessly into hell. (like taking drugs)
(Or if he has been trapped, coaxed into it.)

How would a "spiritual evolved" life look like?

Let's say you have learned and mastered all there is and know everything there is to know.
What then? How would you go beyond?

[Jaak]

I would guess that spiritual growth/evolution mostly happens in physical realm through dozens of reincarnations.
Let's say you have learned and mastered all there is and know everything there is to know.
That takes alot of work and life keeps on evolving and creating new things. You can compose a masterpiece symphony today and only way for somone allknowing to learn about it is to experience it. And i think we will never run out of things to experience since we can always CREATE something new.
Imagine being stuck in christian heaven ,with all those gold and diamonds for eternity. Terribly boring . I would rather sit my naked ass on grass and beat an upside down bucket as if it was a drum while high on shrooms and listen to birds and watch life around me while sun is coming up. Now thats heavenly and i dont think you can do that anywhere else in existence than here.
Just an silly example. I have never done anything like that before but i would love to . i have a bucket but lacking grass and shrooms...

[shaberon]

Not sure I understand where you are coming from.

I get the impression that "most Near Death Experiences do not reveal anything profound or actionable".

No, they probably don't.

A few years back, Mantas flatlined for about five minutes and came back with this experience to name an album:


There's Only Black


Does that help or reveal much? I'm not sure that it does.

What are all these people? Untrained.

The way I personally address these issues does not go into English very well. I am not sure what is meant by "spiritual", let alone "spiritually evolved", since, even around 1900, if you were going to write about "spiritual path", you had better do so anonymously (I'm citing a few unnamed Swabians here). So I mean it might only be around 1920 and forwards that such ideas might have occurred to any English speaker or European.

One of the difficulties I have with standard scriptures, is, it seems binary, "on/off"--not really "spiritual evolution" but "Grace" I suppose is what they are thinking of. They come up with ways to tell themselves it's "on". Is it really?

The gist of my response would be--let's say, after school--is that Knowledge or oneself is a sidebar. All the work concerns "others". How do you give one single other person something that will help them permanently?

It might be material--like if you "rescued" Gaza, we might call that a spiritual act. Or, if you erased the hateful mentality and fostered inner well-being for those caught in the flux, that would be better.

So I would suggest the future lies in forgetting one's "state of being" because it all has to do with the community and the upliftment of other beings.

If they become "bored", that is a form of Ignorance, I would have to push them out of it.

Or, working in Eternity, I have to see to it that every Gazan that has been hurt gets healed, and, Netanyahu has to become friendly. This may be a long time and a lot of work. But that is closer to what I would mean by "spiritual" rather than the toggle switch of "Grace" in the limited ways I have heard of it.

[Michi]

I was trying to address the conundrum of reincarnation. Why would one journey into an adventure that is burden with complete amnesia. Wouldn't there be a "better" adventure in which one would take on a more loftier cause. Perhaps lifting a whole universe up to a causative, caring, responsible co-creation.

[shaberon]

Posted by Michi (here)
I was trying to address the conundrum of reincarnation.

Ok...the OP says nothing about reincarnation.

Why would one journey into an adventure that is burden with complete amnesia. Wouldn't there be a "better" adventure in which one would take on a more loftier cause. Perhaps lifting a whole universe up to a causative, caring, responsible co-creation.

As I attempted to describe, I find myself caught in an Eternity, in the position where the Gazans--vs.--Netanyahu thing is being adjusted to Perfect Equilibrium. This depends on taking the principle of reincarnation on an axiomatic basis. It also necessarily removes amnesia. Or, perhaps I should say what I might call "training" removes amnesia.

I have no awareness that the two are anything but two sides of the same coin, reincarnation and purposeful mission. I might even call that one of the reasons why I don't believe in "half eternity".

If one says, "reincarnation happens", that would be the level of Knowledge, while a "purposeful mission" makes it "experience beyond words".

That was more the sense I got from your OP, was that the level of Knowledge is inadequate to Beyond Knowledge. At a basic level, I would agree with this. I'm not personally basic, I'm more like an operative from a death-and-reincarnation safehouse. If that sounds weird, let me say it is relatively easy, compared to dealing with worldly issues, and, the universe being rather large, it is a daunting prospect.

A couple of days ago, out of sheer concern, I went searching for our rescue puppies. All I got was seven ticks and a few other bites. They showed up on their own the following morning. But, I can sense things, like they matured psychologically and are becoming loyal "good dogs", so even if my search was a miserable failure and I itch like crazy, Floppy and Moppy (not their real names, just how they look) are happy.

Today I could have been abrupt and left the premises, but I routinely do a nose count and was missing one. Again I spontaneously decide to look around and eventually spotted the missing goat. Could have easily ignored him from about a 30m distance, but I could instinctually tell something was off. Turns out there are some ancient, thick vines and a "V' had got him by the base of the horns. Couldn't move. He was difficult to release but I did it. Otherwise it probably would have gotten dark and no one would have seen him or paid any attention.

I say this because I find it rather strange that human beings are very detached or disconnected, so it is usually only creatures that receive any possible benefit of me.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I could hardly believe that is true of you, Shaberon. Vibration affects all.

Like you said, animals are attuned, most humans are not.

That does not mean humans are unaffected, they are just unaware of it.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Jaak (here)
I would guess that spiritual growth/evolution mostly happens in physical realm through dozens of reincarnations.
Let's say you have learned and mastered all there is and know everything there is to know.
That takes alot of work and life keeps on evolving and creating new things. You can compose a masterpiece symphony today and only way for somone allknowing to learn about it is to experience it. And i think we will never run out of things to experience since we can always CREATE something new.
Imagine being stuck in christian heaven ,with all those gold and diamonds for eternity. Terribly boring . I would rather sit my naked ass on grass and beat an upside down bucket as if it was a drum while high on shrooms and listen to birds and watch life around me while sun is coming up. Now thats heavenly and i dont think you can do that anywhere else in existence than here.
Just an silly example. I have never done anything like that before but i would love to . i have a bucket but lacking grass and shrooms...

The naked ass is also there already, Jaak. Excellent! (Sounds like a party I would like to join.)

“Know all there is to know”. Even the Divine, who would certainly qualify for that achievement, Michi, indulges in a little Creation now and here.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I could hardly believe that is true of you, Shaberon. Vibration affects all.

Like you said, animals are attuned, most humans are not.

That does not mean humans are unaffected, they are just unaware of it.

That what is true? The predictable state of alienation I experience?


I have been trapped for at least six years in My Mistake, which resembles this opening line "reckless traumatic adversity".

Reckless on my part, not for disregarding any normal precautions, but due to a certain level of civilization that I perhaps naively assumed that friends would have, at least a little bit, somewhere.

Surprise to me, not only is it not there, but, instead, I get "traumatic adversity" on a continuous basis.

Now of course, I can only report on the social conditioning in my area, which isn't necessarily a very accurate picture of "humanity". The nicest way I could put it is "underdeveloped". It's not possible to communicate effectively, since they don't get thing one where I am at thing thousand. It is like re-inventing the wheel to explain a single sentence. This is combined with a general disconnectivity totally different than the way I operate. As a contrast, drawing from my limited experience, the one time I was able to travel through a few European countries, I would say everyone was like me. I'm sure there must be exceptions, but for the most part they are Someone while there's nobody here.


So, yeah, normally, in my personal function, I'm all about how some Vibration affects people. Of course. All I can do is scratch my way through the crust I'm encased in. To collect some humans who can communicate and participate. I certainly can't do any "purposeful mission" without it.

For the time being, if all ten pounds of "Moppy" light up with enthusiasm, that is my treasure.