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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    US Embassy removed all their Ukraine Bioweapon lab documents from the website.

    The good news is we have them still archived:


    ▪️ Kharkiv Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170130...harkiv-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Luhansk Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210511...uhansk-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Dnipropetrovsk Laboratory https://web.archive.org/web/20170221...trovsk-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Dnipropetrovsk Laboratory 2.0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170207...k-rdvl_eng.pdf

    ▪️ Vinnytsia Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210506...nnitsa-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Kherson Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170207...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Ternopil Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170223...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️Zakarpartska Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170208...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Lviv Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170202...viv-dl-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Lviv Laboratory 2.0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170201...v-rdvl-eng.pdf

    ▪️ EIDSS (The Electronic Integrated Disease Surveillance System)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161230...dtro-eidss.pdf

    ▪️ PACS (The Pathogen Asset Control System)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210506...et-control.pdf

    ▪️ https://web.archive.org/web/20170211...-sheet-eng.pdf
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    • New Russian Ambassador In The Netherlands 🇳🇱 Vladimir Tarabrin on the Ukraine Situation:

    Welcome to a special edition of Alternatief.TV. The Netherlands is on Ukrainian side participating in a war between Russia and Ukraine. Our mainstream media is giving a very one-sided pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian view on the conflict. It is crucial for a peace-settlement to have a dialogue with Russia and listen to the arguments from the other side. After the 24 february 2022, I had two exclusive interviews with the former Russian ambassador to the Netherlands, Mr. Shulgin. The new Russian Ambassador to the Netherlands is Mr. Tarabrin.
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    • Russian Nuclear Submarine Docks in Cuba: Putin's Warning to the West?

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    Russian Warships, including a frigate & a nuclear capable submarine, have docked in Havana. This is the first time Russia has sent a submarine to Cuba. The US is trying to downplay the incident. But is this Putin's latest warning to the West over its escalations in Ukraine?
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Well, historically it's always been a play of the desperate that wish to retain power - to declare war or have it declared and state that you can't vacate the post because, hey, we're in the middle of a war here!

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://x.com/_MariaZakharova/status...12323842388248

    THANKS as always for your tireless work in bringing all this ongoing news to us in the way that you do

    I'd bookmarked the need to archive this and now have - it's quite possibly one of his more important historical speeches in the context of the ongoing situation.

    I'll not provide the full text of the meeting notes and his speech here as it would take as long as the hour twenty minutes to read through, most likely.

    Both the video, with English subtitles, and the full transcript, are now in the library:

    Speech by the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin at a meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, Moscow, June 14, 2024

    Published: 06/14/2024 17:15
    Link: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
    Avalon library link (VIDEO)
    Avalon library link: (TRANSCRIPT PDF)

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    US Embassy removed all their Ukraine Bioweapon lab documents from the website.

    The good news is we have them still archived:


    ▪️ Kharkiv Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170130...harkiv-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Luhansk Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210511...uhansk-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Dnipropetrovsk Laboratory https://web.archive.org/web/20170221...trovsk-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Dnipropetrovsk Laboratory 2.0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170207...k-rdvl_eng.pdf

    ▪️ Vinnytsia Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210506...nnitsa-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Kherson Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170207...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Ternopil Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170223...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️Zakarpartska Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170208...-sheet-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Lviv Laboratory
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170202...viv-dl-eng.pdf

    ▪️ Lviv Laboratory 2.0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170201...v-rdvl-eng.pdf

    ▪️ EIDSS (The Electronic Integrated Disease Surveillance System)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161230...dtro-eidss.pdf

    ▪️ PACS (The Pathogen Asset Control System)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210506...et-control.pdf

    ▪️ https://web.archive.org/web/20170211...-sheet-eng.pdf
    ...and thanks for the reminder here on those

    They've also been in our library since February 2022 as well but it may be worth me doing a reccy just to make sure I haven't missed any of them

    Library link: https://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Ukrai...agon_documents
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    Serbian President Vucic:
    "There will be a world war in 3-4 months - we are checking the stocks of oil, flour, sugar"
    Via Peacemaker on X

    Text from an interview with a Swiss media outlet:
    What does the Serbian president know? Shocking interview for the Swiss media..

    Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić gave a long interview to the Swiss weekly Weltwoche in which he revealed that Serbia is checking oil, flour and sugar stocks because there will be a world war in 3-4 months.

    Given the very good relations of the Serbian president with Vladimir Putin and Moscow, it is possible that Vučić knows what is happening behind the scenes and interpreted the Russian ultimatum to NATO, especially after admitting the transfer of Ukrainian F-16 fighter jets to NATO bases in Romania and Poland.

    In the interview, he stated, among other things:

    The rhetoric is getting worse day by day and it reminds me of a quote from a famous historian: "The train has left the station and no one can stop it." I believe that the last days are approaching when we have the opportunity to reevaluate and reflect on what is happening in Ukraine . If the big powers don't do something soon, yes, I'm pretty sure we're in for a real disaster.

    If you're betting that someone is bluffing, it means you don't have better cards. You just think that the other person has weaker cards. You're not sure because you don't know his cards and haven't seen them. I am always very cautious and circumspect when assessing Putin's wishes or possible future move.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that everyone is talking only about the war. No one seeks peace. Nobody talks about peace. Peace is almost a forbidden word!

    I find it very strange that no one is trying to stop the war. There is another theory - which I understand.

    I am not saying that I approve of her - that the West thinks that they can easily defeat Putin, they want to exhaust him in Ukraine and then enter the space and Russia with its current territory will cease to exist and Putin will be overthrown, etc. Maybe it is doable, but... ..

    Why do I say that we are walking right next to the edge of the abyss? Analyze the situation of NATO and the USA. They cannot afford the luxury of defeat in the war in Ukraine.

    Second, the position of Europe and the collective West will deteriorate so much from a geopolitical point of view that no one will be able to regenerate and restore it.....
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This may always have been inevitable, a further sign of the rebellion rising against the Ukrainian authorities' war on their own people.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/113304
    There is a resistance movement burning the vehicles of recruitment officers in Kiev. (two videos)

    It's certainly - and sincerely expressed by me on this thread before now - much more probable that this would end way way more quickly if the Ukrainian people could mobilise effectively and, with the Russians with them, bring the stinking current edifice crashing down, through a real uprising, not an US NGO coup this time.

    That's a dose of high-octane optimism on my part but if, if just enough could do it, in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, then it would be something quite remarkable. For now scenes like this do provide at least the possibility it could happen
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    ¨Russia is in war with 35 countries¨ .


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    ¨Russia is in war with 35 countries¨
    This is not strictly true is it? Should be: "Russia is at war with the leaders of 35 countries who don't give a rat's arse about their own countries, let alone any civilians in the world"
    What really gets my goat is that they're doing it with our taxes, without our permission and we're powerless to stop them. Voting them out just replenishes the pot and makes no difference. I've never felt more like a Useless Eater than I do now.
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    https://ceobs.org/the-environmental-...-in-ukraine/#2

    The environmental risks from a critical minerals rush in Ukraine
    Published: May, 2024 · Categories: Publications, Ukraine

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    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    ¨Russia is in war with 35 countries¨
    This is not strictly true is it? Should be: "Russia is at war with the leaders of 35 countries who don't give a rat's arse about their own countries, let alone any civilians in the world"
    What really gets my goat is that they're doing it with our taxes, without our permission and we're powerless to stop them. Voting them out just replenishes the pot and makes no difference. I've never felt more like a Useless Eater than I do now.
    Should be: "Russia is at war with the corrupt leaders of 35 countries who don't give a fck about their own countries, let alone any civilians in the world" serving the unelected psychopathic control freaks of the pathetic parasite class of the W.E.F. Agenda2030 "Global (Dystopian) Governance".

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • New Russian Ambassador In The Netherlands 🇳🇱 Vladimir Tarabrin on the Ukraine Situation:

    Welcome to a special edition of Alternatief.TV. The Netherlands is on Ukrainian side participating in a war between Russia and Ukraine. Our mainstream media is giving a very one-sided pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian view on the conflict. It is crucial for a peace-settlement to have a dialogue with Russia and listen to the arguments from the other side. After the 24 february 2022, I had two exclusive interviews with the former Russian ambassador to the Netherlands, Mr. Shulgin. The new Russian Ambassador to the Netherlands is Mr. Tarabrin.
    Thank you John. A quite interesting exchange – maybe most of all for the open and welcoming atmosphere that reigned between the two men. (Quite soothing also, Satie’s music that Gietelink chose to announce his program.)

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    About Serbian President Vucic’s statement. (Thank you, Tintin.)

    Alas, this analysis is correct. The train already left the station, yes – but not yesterday: at the latest when John Kennedy was murdered. Then already society was composed overwhelmingly of people who were both too lazy to think the unthinkable, and too cowardly to stem the tide with their life. Our societies are tyrannies, but they are so because everybody prefers to be the tyrant of his neighbour to being his slave.

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    West Sleepingwalking into Major Wars - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen
    (1:19:06)
    Another compelling video from The Duran although I'm only up to 21 mins where Alexander says he thinks (paraphrasing) Ukraine is on its last legs and voices grave concerns about the rhetoric of western leaders which we all share,

    Before that, Alastair Cooke mentioned, among other things, NATO's Article 5, and so I was minded to see what all the NATO Articles were about - there are 14 of them altogether - and apologies to Bill () but I asked AI as it was the quickest and the next generation imo to Wikipedia:
    "The North Atlantic Treaty, also known as the Washington Treaty, consists of 14 articles. Here is a brief overview of the articles:

    Article 1:
    The parties commit to settle international disputes peacefully and refrain from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

    Article 2: The parties agree to contribute to the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, promoting stability and well-being, and encouraging economic collaboration.

    Article 3: The parties commit to maintaining and developing their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

    Article 4: The parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence, or security of any of the parties is threatened.

    Article 5: An armed attack against one or more of the parties is considered an attack against them all, and they will assist the attacked party by taking necessary action, including the use of armed force.

    Article 6: Defines the geographical scope of the treaty, specifying the territories to which Article 5 applies.

    Article 7:
    Affirms that the treaty does not affect the rights and obligations under the United Nations Charter or the responsibility of the Security Council to maintain international peace and security.

    Article 8
    : Ensures that each party maintains its existing international engagements and does not enter into any international agreement conflicting with the treaty.

    Article 9: Establishes the North Atlantic Council, composed of representatives of all parties, which is responsible for the implementation of the treaty.

    Article 10:
    Allows for the invitation of any other European state in a position to further the principles of the treaty and contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to the treaty by unanimous agreement.

    Article 11: Specifies that the treaty is subject to ratification by signatory states and will come into effect upon the deposit of ratifications by a majority, including Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

    Article 12: Provides for the review of the treaty after ten years or at any time by the request of any party to consider the effectiveness of the treaty and the need for its extension or modification.

    Article 13: Allows any party to withdraw from the treaty one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the United States, which will inform the other parties of each notice of denunciation.

    Article 14: Specifies that the treaty, of which the English and French texts are equally authentic, will be deposited in the archives of the Government of the United States, with certified copies transmitted to other signatories.

    These articles collectively form the foundation and operational framework of NATO, outlining the principles, commitments, and procedures for collective defense and cooperation among the member states."
    Erm, starting from the top, they haven't made a very good job so far of Articles 1-4 . . .
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    Apologies to Bill () but I asked AI as it was the quickest and the next generation imo to Wikipedia
    But AI didn't do a very thorough job here. Accuracy here is REALLY important. (AI repeatedly lacks the nuance of human understanding, just grabbing whatever it can find like an obedient search engine. The sophisticated façade of its presentation disguises the fact that it doesn't know what it's writing.)

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    Article 5: An armed attack against one or more of the parties is considered an attack against them all, and they will assist the attacked party by taking necessary action, including the use of armed force
    That's an interpretation which is often misunderstood and misreported. "Necessary action" can include chosen inaction. This clarification can be found in many places, but here's just one good summary in an article by The Hill:

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    Once a member invokes the principle of collective self-defense under the treaty, NATO can come to its defense with “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”

    But that doesn’t mean any attack on a NATO member automatically triggers a state of war.

    “It’s not like a trigger mechanism. It doesn’t mean that tomorrow every single country in NATO responds with a full military invasion of Russia,” Joel Rubin, a former deputy assistant secretary of State, said.

    The diplomatic nature of an Article 5 invocation is by design. It allows the alliance the necessary pause and diplomatic toolkit to respond to an aggression on its own terms.

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    Alastair Cooke
    In my opinion, he's the best of the best. Some Americans may find his delivery rather too slow, careful, 'British' and measured, but he chooses every single word with precision and has vast personal experience which he occasionally refers to without the tiniest hint of ego.

    (Second of the best analysts we have available to us I'd suggest is Jeffrey Sachs, maybe followed by Mercouris himself. But regarding Alastair Crooke, I'm as vigilant as I can be not to miss a single thing he says anywhere. )
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    Putin's Full Speech: BRICS, NATO Expansion and Ukraine Peace Talk Conditions
    June 15, 2024

    Last year the Canadian intelligence analyst Patrick Armstrong published this sound advice:

    “LISTEN TO WHAT HE’S SAYING”

    I’m fond of quoting the Duke of Wellington on intelligence:

    All the business of war, and indeed all the business of life, is to endeavour to find out what you don’t know by what you do; that’s what I called ‘guessing what was at the other side of the hill.’

    “Find out what you don’t know by what you do“. It’s not easy, it’s not necessarily pleasant but it’s what you have to do in order to minimise your surprise when whatever it is actually comes over the hill at you.

    Here’s former British Ambassador to Russia Laurie Bristow saying the same thing:

    My advice to all young diplomats and analysts [is that] if you want to understand Mr Putin’s foreign policy, listen to what he’s saying. You won’t like it, but you need to understand it, you need to listen to it. The place to start is the Munich speech in 2007.

    “Listen to what he says”. It’s quite easy to. Putin has said a lot and most of it appears on the Presidential website in English as well as the original Russian. Never read what the Western reporters say he says – they almost always distort it – read the original. I’m sure that both Wellington and Bristow would agree.

    And that’s what intelligence is all about. Try and understand how the other guy sees things.

    Every few years Putin comes out with a speech or memorandum which explains - past, presence and future - and argues for the position at large Russia is taking.

    People who read these speeches will understand Russia. People who don't won't.

    The later will miss the facts and come to false conclusions. Acting upon those they will weaken their own positions.

    One can avoid doing so by reading Putin's latest speech held yesterday at the Russian Ministry for Foreign Affairs. It is quite long but has to be so as it necessarily touches on everything. It includes a kind of peace offer for Ukraine: Hand over the provinces Russia has recognized at its own and gain peace. It was and is not expected that the 'West' will move towards that direction. In consequence the aims of the war will have to change.

    With nearly 10,000 words the speech is very long. No summarization will do it justice. I therefore urge you to read it in full.

    The English language version was published in full by Sputnik. The authoritative official translation, which will soon appear on the Kremlin website, is not yet complete. As access to both sides may be limited a full copy of the speech is attached below.

    What follows is a full reproduction of the English language version Sputnik put out.

    Putin's Full Speech at Foreign Ministry: BRICS, NATO Expansion and Ukraine Peace Talk Conditions - Friday, June 15 2024

    /* BEGIN OF PUTIN SPEECH */

    Dear colleagues, good afternoon!

    I am pleased to welcome you all, and at the beginning of our meeting, I want to thank you for your dedicated work in the interest of Russia and our people.

    In this broad assembly, we last met in November 2021. Since then, many pivotal and, without exaggeration, fateful events have occurred both in our country and in the world. Therefore, I consider it important to assess the current situation in global and regional affairs and to set corresponding tasks for the foreign policy department. All these tasks are directed towards the primary goal: creating conditions for the sustainable development of the country, ensuring its security, and improving the well-being of Russian families.

    Working in this direction in today's challenging and rapidly changing realities requires all of us to concentrate even more on our efforts, initiative, and persistence. It demands the ability not only to respond to current challenges but also to shape our own long-term agenda, to propose and discuss with partners, within the framework of open and constructive dialogue, solutions to fundamental issues that concern not only us but also the entire global community.

    I reiterate: the world is changing rapidly. It will not be as it was before, neither in global politics, nor in the economy, nor in technological competition. More and more states are striving to strengthen their sovereignty, self-sufficiency, national and cultural identity. Countries of the Global South and East are coming to the forefront; the role of Africa and Latin America is growing. We have always, since Soviet times, talked about the importance of these regions of the world, but today the dynamics are entirely different, and this is becoming noticeable. The pace of transformation in Eurasia has also noticeably accelerated, where a number of large-scale integration projects are actively being implemented.

    Today, on the basis of the new political and economic reality, the contours of a multipolar and multilateral world order are being formed, and this is an objective process. It reflects the cultural-civilizational diversity that, despite all attempts at artificial unification, is organically inherent to humanity.

    These profound, systemic changes undoubtedly inspire optimism and hope because the establishment of the principles of multipolarity and multilateralism in international affairs, including respect for international law and broad representation, allows us to collectively address the most complex problems for the common good, to build mutually beneficial relationships, and cooperation between sovereign states in the interests of the well-being and security of peoples.

    Such a vision of the future resonates with the aspirations of the absolute majority of the countries in the world. We see this, among other things, in the growing interest in the work of such a universal association as BRICS, which is based on a special culture of trustful dialogue, sovereign equality of participants, and mutual respect. During Russia's chairmanship this year, we will facilitate the smooth inclusion of new BRICS members into the working structures of the association.

    I request the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to continue substantive work and dialogue with partners to arrive at the Kazan BRICS summit in October with a substantial set of agreed decisions that will set the direction for our cooperation in politics and security, economy and finance, science, culture, sports, and humanitarian ties.

    Overall, I believe that the potential of BRICS will allow it to eventually become one of the core regulatory institutions of a multipolar world order.

    In this regard, I note that the international discussion about the parameters of state interaction in a multipolar world, about the democratization of the entire system of international relations, is already underway. For example, with colleagues from the Commonwealth of Independent States, we agreed upon and adopted a joint document on international relations in a multipolar world. We invited partners to discuss this topic on other international platforms as well, primarily in the SCO and BRICS.

    We are interested in ensuring that this dialogue develops seriously within the UN walls as well, including on such a fundamental, vital issue for all as the creation of a system of indivisible security. In other words, asserting in world affairs the principle that the security of some cannot be ensured at the expense of the security of others.

    Let me remind you that at the end of the 20th century, after the end of the acute military-ideological confrontation, the world community had a unique chance to build a reliable, fair order in the field of security. This did not require much – just the simple ability to listen to the opinions of all interested parties and mutual willingness to consider them. Our country was precisely focused on such constructive work.

    However, another approach prevailed. Western powers, led by the United States, believed that they had won the "Cold War" and had the right to independently determine how the world should be organized. The practical expression of this worldview was the project of the unlimited spatial and temporal expansion of the North Atlantic bloc, although there were, of course, other ideas on how to ensure security in Europe.

    Our legitimate questions were answered with excuses, claiming that no one was planning to attack Russia and that NATO expansion was not directed against Russia. Promises made to the Soviet Union and then to Russia in the late '80s and early '90s about not including new members into the bloc were conveniently forgotten. If remembered at all, it was mockingly said that these assurances were verbal and thus non-binding.

    We have consistently, in the 90s and later, pointed out the errors of the course chosen by Western elites, not just criticized and warned but proposed alternatives, constructive solutions, emphasized the importance of developing a mechanism for European and global security that would satisfy everyone – I want to emphasize, everyone. A simple listing of the initiatives that Russia has put forward over the years would take more than one paragraph.

    Let's recall at least the idea of a European security treaty that we proposed back in 2008. These same topics were raised in the memorandum from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs handed over to the United States and NATO in December 2021.But all our attempts – and there were many, countless – to reason with our interlocutors, explanations, admonitions, warnings, requests from our side found absolutely no response. Western countries, confident not only in their own rightness but in their strength and ability to impose anything on the rest of the world, simply ignored other opinions. At best, they proposed discussing secondary issues that, in essence, resolved little or topics that were exclusively beneficial to the West.

    Meanwhile, it quickly became apparent that the Western scheme, proclaimed as the only right one for ensuring security and prosperity in Europe and the world, did not actually work. Let's remember the tragedy in the Balkans. Internal problems – of course, they existed – that had accumulated in the former Yugoslavia sharply escalated due to gross external interference. Even then, NATO's main diplomatic principle emerged in all its glory – deeply flawed and fruitless in resolving complex interethnic conflicts, namely: blaming one side, which for some reason they didn't particularly like, for all sins and unleashing all political, informational, and military power, economic sanctions, and restrictions on them.

    Later, the same approaches were applied in different parts of the world. We know this very well: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and so on – and they never brought anything but exacerbation of existing problems, broken lives of millions of people, the destruction of entire states, the spread of humanitarian and social disasters, and terrorist enclaves. In fact, no country in the world is safe from joining this sad list.


    The rest here,

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