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    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    This is propaganda indeed, but from Russia.

    Is that because of the lettering on the guy's back?

    I don't remember the "heroic doctor" as I don't usually pay attention to those things.

    Reports like you just said about Compact are good, since we see the government didn't freak about one article, but were in a long argument with the press.


    When we are at the point of questioning analysis of fake videos, how does that consist of propaganda?

    Usually, if we say "Russian", in the sense of a state announcement, they give five or six points of doubt about a story (such as the missile that hit the hospital), and so if one point is not good, the rest probably still make the case.

    If I take the last posted dispute, it is not a state announcement, is it? So it could not be state propaganda, but a private opinion.

    I may have missed something, as I really don't put much into this, as it appears to be the lowest possible function of the human mind. Making fakes should not be a job or even a hobby.

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    Are these all Russian propaganda?

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    🚨🇺🇦 Meanwhile in Ukraine

    Legacy Media working on behalf of the West to bring you fake blood, fake injuries & fake victims to help garner flailing support for Ukraine.

    These images are created & supplied straight to the BBC & CNN to help convince the masses that Ukraine needs your tax dollars.

    The entire World is a stage.

    https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status...05956451328167




    https://x.com/SororInimicorum/status...34811907002688





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    A video filmed in the centre of Kiev was leaked to the internet. The video shows a police officer pouring blood from a bag on a man in a medical gown.

    The man in the medical gown is allegedly an employee of Okhmatdet hospital, whose photos were published by major Western media.
    It turned out that the photos of the surgeon from the Ukrainian Okhmatdet hospital, which were published in Western countries, were staged.

    The hospital employee acted as a so-called crisis actor - an actor who must credibly portray a person injured as a result of an incident.

    https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1814316696573775927



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    🇺🇦🤡 How a “wounded” doctor from Okhmatdyt was prepared for Ukrainian propaganda for the Western media.

    The Okhmatdyt surgeon, as it turned out, acted as a “crisis actor” after flying to the hospital in Kiev.

    🩸 The policeman in the video does not spare red paint to create a bloody effect, which ultimately gave away the production - people on the internet noticed the unnatural color of the blood on the robe.

    ❗️ By the time this video appeared in Ukrainian public pages, the photographs of the “injured” doctor, circulated in the West, had already completed the task of manipulating public consciousness.

    TheIslanderNews

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    A PARADE OF 8000 DEFEATED UKRAINIANS AND MERCENARIES ON RED SQUARE IN MOSCOW ... JUST LIKE IN 1944! The NATO Secretary General has asked for the cancellation of the event...

    RUSSIA: Whether it ultimately comes to fruition may depend on the US election and Trump's primaries.

    The heroic government is preparing a tour of 6-10,000 defeated Ukrainians and mercenaries in Moscow, similar to the one that took place in July 1944 with thousands of German Nazis.

    "Moscow wants to repeat the 'parade of the defeated'," Russian media report.

    At the same time, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg even asked the Russian authorities to cancel it.

    "You Russians are behaving 'uncivilised'," he said.

    Although it's not really about impressions, but the regular humiliation of Ukrainian prisoners along with mercenaries of various nationalities, what Moscow ultimately does is likely to depend on the US election and Trump's primacy. From RU Telegram

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    🎙 Russian MFA Spox #Zakharova:

    ❗️ The Swiss/NATO agreement to open a NATO “liaison office” in Geneva is another testament to Switzerland's progressing departure from its neutral status.

    ❌ We are convinced that at this stage Switzerland has provided enough "confirmations" that it's unfit to play the role of an "honest broker" in conflict resolution.

    🔗 FULL: https://tinyurl.com/285fuje5


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    UKRAINIAN DRONES DELIBERATELY TARGET RUSSIAN FIRE TRUCK

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces released a video showing a kamikaze drone operator deliberately targeting a Russian fire truck, reported the regional office of the Russian Emergency Ministry in the DPR.

    On July 17, Ukrainian drones attacked an emergency services vehicle responding to a fire in the Yasynuvata district of the DPR twice. Fortunately, the firefighters were not injured.

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    Scott Ritter: deployment of US missiles in Germany is an ‘extraordinarily destabilizing development’, ‘Russia will respond’

    The decision do deploy surface-to-air, surface-to-surface, cruise, and hypersonic-capable US missiles in Germany is an irresponsible escalation that, unless it's reversed, can only lead to very tragic conclusions, former US marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter told Sputnik.

    “This is an extraordinarily destabilizing development, and Russia has said it will respond. The specifics of a Russian response aren't known, but Russia did stop development or stop deployment of an intermediate-capable system, the RS-26, back in 2017. And it's believed that Russia could bring this system back into operation and deploy it in short order,” he said.

    The three systems in question are the SM-6 Typhoon missile, a variation of the Tomahawk Sea Launched Cruise missile, and the hypersonic-capable Dark Eagle missile system.

    “One mistake, one miscalculation, one misjudgment could lead to a situation where these missiles are fired in anger, and this would lead to the potential of a general nuclear exchange between the United States and Russia,” Ritter pointed out.

    The move to deploy such systems in Europe is one of the most dangerous decisions made by the US and NATO in “a season of dangerous decisions”, he noted.

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    🚨🇩🇪🇧🇾The captured German mercenary sentenced to death by firing squad in Belarus admits to working for the American Government.

    ⚡️🇺🇸''I worked as a Special Security Officer for the American Foreign Ministry in Berlin, where I gained valuable experience in armed security operations.'' - Rico Krieger admitted in court today.

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    I guess the defeat of Nazis in the Great Patriotic War needs to be revenged according to Scholz, hence the support for Ukrainian nazis...

    Scholz:
    "Just out of a sense of responsibility to its own history, in this case only one option is possible for Germany: to be on the side of Ukraine."

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    Are these all Russian propaganda? [...]

    This clearly is propaganda. Don't you see the difference?



    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    This is propaganda indeed, but from Russia.
    Is that because of the lettering on the guy's back?
    No, the doctor wears different clothes. Look at the length of the pants, the shoes, the blood stains.

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Usually, if we say "Russian", in the sense of a state announcement [...] it is not a state announcement, is it? So it could not be state propaganda, but a private opinion.
    I meant "Russian propaganda" in the sense of "pro-Russian-government propaganda." It doesn't originate from an official government account, but a government would also be stupid to disseminate such propaganda through official accounts, that's what sock puppets are for. So it could be state propaganda.

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    "Ukrainians are now talking about conscripting another 100,000 or 200,000 unwilling Ukrainian men and youths and destroying them using them as gallon fodder. For what? So that Zelensky can buy another Cyprus surrounded hilltop mansion in Tuscany or somewhere to retire to with his millions when he leaves finally," British rock star and Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters said.

    Earlier, Waters was added to the Ukrainian Kill List after calling on Kiev to make peace with Russia.

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    Zelensky plans personal meeting with Trump

    He also congratulated US ex-president on his nomination as the Republican Party's presidential candidate and condemned the assassination attempt against him
    MOSCOW, July 20. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky had a telephone conversation with former US leader Donald Trump and agreed to meet in person to discuss ways to settle the Ukrainian conflict.

    "We have agreed to discuss in a personal meeting exactly what steps can make peace fair and truly lasting," Zelensky wrote in his Telegram channel.

    He also congratulated Trump on his nomination as the Republican Party's presidential candidate and condemned the assassination attempt against him.

    Trump has repeatedly stated that if he wins the presidential election this year, he intends to bring about a quick settlement of the Ukrainian conflict. In a debate with US President Joe Biden on June 27, Trump promised that if re-elected, he would be able to end the conflict before he takes office on January 20, 2025.
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    https://x.com/tassagency_en/status/1814632019772547403



    Russian forces destroy two Patriot launchers in past day

    Ukraine lost up to 140 troops in the area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr

    MOSCOW, July 20. /TASS/. Russian forces destroyed two launchers of the US-made Patriot missile system and its radar in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Russian tactical aircraft, drone teams, missile forces and artillery units destroyed two launchers and an AN/MPQ-65 radar of the US-made Patriot missile system. In addition, enemy troops and equipment were hit in 113 areas," the statement reads.

    Ukraine loses up to 140 troops in area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr

    Ukraine lost up to 140 troops in the area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup Dnepr inflicted a defeat on the forces of the 141st Infantry Brigade and the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces, as well as of the 106th and 108th territorial defense brigades, near Kamenskoye, Belogorye, Mirnoye and Pyatikhatki in the Zaporozhye Region. The Ukrainian army lost up to 150 troops," the statement reads.

    Ukraine also lost several armored combat vehicles, six motor vehicles, a US-made Paladin 155 mm howitzer, a Giatsint-B 152 mm gun and a D-20 152 mm howitzer. "A Nota electronic warfare system, a US-made AN/TPQ-36 radar system and a field ammunition depot were destroyed," the Russian Defense Ministry added.

    Russia’s Battlegroup North repels three Ukrainian counterattacks in Kharkov Region

    Russia’s Battlegroup North inflicted a defeat on three enemy brigades in the Kharkov Region, repelling three counterattacks by assault teams and making the enemy lose up to 185 troops, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup North hit the troops and equipment of the 42nd Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces, the 127th Territorial Defense Brigade and the 13th National Guard Brigade near Volchansk, Staritsa, Malye Prokhody and Liptsy in the Kharkov Region. Attacks by assault teams of the 92nd Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces and the 26th Marine Brigade were repelled. The enemy lost up to 185 troops, two pickup trucks, a D-30 122 mm howitzer and a Plastun radio-electronic reconnaissance station," the statement reads.

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center repels eight Ukrainian counterattacks in past day

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center improved its tactical positions and repelled eight Ukrainian counterattacks in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup Center improved their tactical positions, inflicting a defeat on the forces of the 32nd, 41st and 47th mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces near Toretsk, Novgorodskoye, Rozovka, Progress and Novosyolvka Pervaya in the Donetsk People’s Republic. They also repelled eight counterattacks by assault teams of the 31st and 151st mechanized brigades and the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces and the Ukrainian Interior Ministry’s Liut Assault Brigade," the statement reads.

    The ministry added that the ministry had lost up to 280 troops, four armored combat vehicles, five motor vehicles, a Gvozdika 122 mm self-propelled howitzer, two D-30 122 mm howitzers and two Rapira 100 mm anti-tank guns.

    Battlegroup East makes Ukraine lose up to 110 troops in past day

    Russia’s Battlegroup East moved to more advantageous positions in the past day, making Ukraine lose up to 110 troops, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup East moved to more advantageous pistons, hitting the trips and equipment of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces, the 120th and 129th territorial defense brigade and the 21st National Guard Brigade near Vremevka, Makarovka, Storozhevoye, Vodyanoye, Razliv and Oktyabr in the Donetsk People’s Republic," the statement reads.

    The ministry specified that the enemy had lost up to 110 troops, four motor vehicles, a British-made FH-70 155 mm towed howitzer, a Gvozdika 122 mm self-propelled howitzer, a D-30 122 mm howitzer and two Nota electronic warfare systems.

    Ukraine loses up to 540 troops in area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup West

    Ukraine lost up to 540 troops in the area of responsibility of Russia’s Battlegroup West in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup West improved their frontline positions, hitting the forces of the 44th, 54th, 60th, 115th and 116th mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces, as well as of the 103rd and 110th territorial defense brigades, near Peschanoye, Petropavlovka and Berestovoye in the Kharkov Region, Torskoye and Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic and Chervonaya Dibrova in the Lugansk People’s Republic. Two counterattacks by assault teams of the 66th and 67th mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces were repelled," the statement reads.

    According to the ministry, the enemy lost up to 540 troops, a tank, an armored combat vehicle, six motor vehicles, a British-made Braveheart 155 mm self-propelled howitzer, two Gvozdika 122 mm self-propelled howitzers, a Bukovel-AD electronic warfare system and a field ammunition depot.

    Russian air defenses down two ATACMS missiles, 74 Ukrainian drones in past day

    Russian air defenses downed two US-made ATACMS missiles and 74 Ukrainian drones in the past day, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Air defense downed two US-made Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS), four US-made HIMARS rockets and 74 unmanned aerial vehicles, of which 27 were shot down over Russia," the statement reads.

    According to the Russian Defense Ministry, a total of 630 planes, 277 helicopters, 27,915 unmanned aerial vehicles, 554 missile systems, 16,620 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,379 multiple rocket launchers, and 12,120 field artillery mounts and mortars, as well as 23,870 special military motor vehicles, have been destroyed since the start of Russia’s special military operation.

    Russia’s Battlegroup South makes Ukraine lose up to 640 troops in past day

    Russia’s Battlegroup South moved to more advantageous positions in the Donetsk People’s Republic in the past day, making Ukraine lose up to 640 troops, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "Units of Battlegroup South continued to move to more advantageous positions. They hit the troops and equipment of the 22nd, 24th, 30th and 72nd mechanized brigades, the 56th Motorized Infantry Brigade, the 81st Air Mobile Brigade, the 79th and 80th airborne assault brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces near Grigorovka, Krasnogorovka, Zaliznyanskoye, Konstantinovka, Chasov Yar and Raigorodok in the Donetsk People’s Republic. Two counterattacks by the forces of the 5th Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces were repelled. The enemy lost up to 640 troops, an armored combat vehicle and 18 motor vehicles," the statement reads.

    According to the ministry, a British-made Braveheart 155 mm self-propelled howitzer, a US-made M198 howitzer, a US-made M777 howitzer, an Akatsiya 152 mm self-propelled howitzer, a Msta-B 152 mm howitzer, two D-20 152 mm howitzers, a Gvozdika 122 mm self-propelled howitzer and two British-made L119 105 mm howitzers were hit by counterbattery fire. Besides, an Anklav electronic warfare system and two Ukrainian field ammunition depots were destroyed.
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    Russia delivers 11 strikes at Ukrainian air bases, military, energy sites over week

    Almost 20 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered to Russian troops over the week, the ministry reported

    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. Russia delivered 11 strikes by precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles at Ukrainian air bases, military and energy sites over the week in the special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Friday.

    "On July 13-19, the Russian Armed Forces delivered 11 combined strikes by precision weapons and attack unmanned aerial vehicles at enemy air bases, energy facilities of Ukrainian military-industrial enterprises, air defense and electronic warfare systems. The strikes also targeted the deployment sites of Ukrainian army units, trains with armament and military hardware, depots storing ammunition, including munitions supplied by Western countries and equipment warehouses. The goals of the strikes were achieved. All the designated targets were destroyed," the ministry said in a statement.

    Ukrainian army loses 13,075 troops in all frontline areas over week

    The Ukrainian army lost roughly 13,075 troops in battles with Russian forces in all frontline areas over the week, according to the latest data on the special military operation in Ukraine released by Russia’s Defense Ministry.

    Over the week of July 13-19, the Ukrainian army suffered roughly 1,370 casualties from Russia’s Battlegroup North, 3,920 casualties from Battlegroup West, 3,930 casualties from Battlegroup South, 2,215 casualties from Battlegroup Center, 925 casualties from Battlegroup East and 715 casualties from Battlegroup Dnepr, the latest data show.

    Russia’s Battlegroup North inflicts 1,370 casualties on Ukrainian army over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup North repelled 23 Ukrainian army counterattacks and inflicted roughly 1,370 casualties on enemy troops in its area of responsibility over the week, the ministry reported.

    "During the week, Battlegroup North units improved their forward edge positions and inflicted damage on manpower and equipment of two Ukrainian mechanized brigades, an assault brigade and a motorized infantry brigade, two marine infantry brigades and four territorial defense brigades. They repelled 23 counterattacks by enemy assault groups," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 1,370 personnel, five tanks, 25 motor vehicles, 28 field artillery guns, including seven 155mm foreign-made howitzers, and seven electronic warfare stations, it specified.

    Russia’s Battlegroup West inflicts 3,920 casualties on Ukrainian army over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup West inflicted roughly 3,920 casualties on Ukrainian troops and destroyed 38 enemy artillery guns in its area of responsibility over the week, the ministry reported.

    "Battlegroup West units improved their tactical position as a result of successful operations and inflicted casualties on formations of four Ukrainian mechanized brigades, a tank brigade, two infantry brigades and three territorial defense brigades. They repelled six counterattacks by enemy assault groups," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 3,920 personnel, a tank, eight armored combat vehicles, among them three US-made M113 armored personnel carriers, 46 motor vehicles and 38 field artillery guns, including twelve 155mm NATO-produced howitzers, it specified.

    In addition, Russian troops destroyed 30 field ammunition depots and six electronic warfare stations of the Ukrainian army, the ministry said.

    Russia’s Battlegroup South inflicts 3,930 casualties on Ukrainian army over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup South inflicted roughly 3,930 casualties on Ukrainian troops and destroyed an enemy tank and 24 field ammunition depots in its area of responsibility over the week, the ministry reported.

    "Battlegroup South units gained more advantageous positions and inflicted damage on manpower and equipment of three Ukrainian mechanized brigades, a motorized infantry brigade, two airmobile brigades and two air assault brigades. They repulsed 10 counterattacks by enemy assault groups," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 3,930 personnel, a tank, 14 armored combat vehicles, among them two US-made M113 armored personnel carriers and three US-manufactured HMMWV armored vehicles, 48 motor vehicles and 71 field artillery guns, including 28 Western-made weapons, it specified.

    In addition, Russian troops destroyed 10 electronic warfare stations and 24 field ammunition depots of the Ukrainian army over the week, the ministry said.

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center liberates Yuryevka community in DPR

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center liberated the community of Yuryevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic, the ministry reported.

    "Battlegroup Center units liberated the settlement of Yuryevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic as a result of active operations," the ministry said.

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center inflicts 2,215 casualties on Ukrainian army over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup Center inflicted roughly 2,215 casualties on the Ukrainian army and destroyed 27 enemy artillery guns in its area of responsibility over the week, the ministry reported.

    Battlegroup Center units "inflicted casualties on formations of three Ukrainian mechanized brigades, two motorized infantry brigades, an infantry brigade, an air assault brigade and two territorial defense brigades. They repelled 38 counterattacks by enemy formations," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 2,215 personnel, 11 armored combat vehicles, including a Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, two M113 armored personnel carriers and a MaxxPro armored vehicle of US manufacture, 26 motor vehicles and 27 field artillery guns, it specified.

    Russia’s Battlegroup East liberates Urozhainoye, repels five counterattacks over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup East liberated the community of Urozhainoye and repelled five Ukrainian army counterattacks in its area of responsibility over the week, the ministry reported.

    "Battlegroup East units liberated the settlement of Urozhainoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic as a result of successful operations and inflicted damage on manpower and equipment of five Ukrainian army brigades, three territorial defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. They repelled five counterattacks by enemy formations," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 925 personnel, a tank, three armored combat vehicles, among them two US-made M113 armored personnel carriers, 35 motor vehicles and 26 field artillery guns, including 19 NATO-produced howitzers and self-propelled weapons, it specified.

    Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr inflicts 715 casualties on Ukrainian army over week

    Russia’s Battlegroup Dnepr inflicted roughly 715 casualties on Ukrainian troops and destroyed 11 enemy ammunition depots over the week, the ministry reported.

    "Battlegroup Dnepr units inflicted casualties on formations of two Ukrainian mechanized brigades, a mountain assault brigade, a marine infantry brigade and three territorial defense brigades," the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian army’s losses in that frontline area over the week amounted to 715 personnel, two tanks, 37 motor vehicles and 21 field artillery guns, it specified.

    In addition, Russian troops destroyed nine electronic warfare stations and 11 field ammunition depots of the Ukrainian army over the week, the ministry said.

    Russian forces destroy 10 Ukrainian seaborne drones over week

    Russia’s Black Sea Fleet destroyed 10 Ukrainian seaborne drones over the week, the ministry reported.

    "The Black Sea Fleet’s forces destroyed 10 naval drones in the Black Sea," the ministry said.

    Russian air defenses down three Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jets over week

    Russian air defense forces shot down three Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jets over the week, the ministry reported.

    "During the week, air defense capabilities shot down three Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 aircraft, eight US-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles, 10 French-made Hammer guided aerial bombs, an S-200 surface-to-air missile upgraded for striking ground targets and 44 US-made HIMARS rockets," the ministry said.

    Russian air defense forces also shot down 305 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, including 94 UAVs in the airspace of western Russian regions, it specified.

    Almost 20 Ukrainian soldiers surrender to Russian troops over week

    Almost 20 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered to Russian troops over the week, the ministry reported.

    "During the week, 19 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered at the engagement line," the ministry said.

    Russian troops destroy 630 warplanes in Ukraine operation

    Russian troops have destroyed 630 Ukrainian combat aircraft since the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, the ministry reported.

    "In all, the Ukrainian army has lost the following since the start of the special military operation: 630 aircraft, 277 helicopters, 27,841 unmanned aerial vehicles, 552 surface-to-air missile systems, 16,611 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,379 multiple rocket launchers, 12,059 field artillery guns and mortars and 23,829 special military motor vehicles," the ministry said.
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    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    This clearly is propaganda. Don't you see the difference?

    I meant "Russian propaganda" in the sense of "pro-Russian-government propaganda." It doesn't originate from an official government account, but a government would also be stupid to disseminate such propaganda through official accounts, that's what sock puppets are for. So it could be state propaganda.

    Well, of course I see the difference in the photos.

    On the left is a Ukrainian photo of a real Ukrainian cop putting theatrical blood on someone. That's what was said, the "theatrical" version is Ukrainian.

    The live action shot appears somewhat different, so we would tend to guess these are not the same, probably are not connected.

    The target audience was the west, according to the Ukrainian production. Western consciousness was affected by Ukrainians. That would be "propaganda".

    I'm not sure what is Russian about it, except a perhaps mistaken connection about the photos.

    Yes, of course, if they allow "free press" to push what they want to say, that is close to doing that state's work for them.

    Here, we have had editorial policies since the beginning of broadcasting that amount to this. Plus, we have CNN winning a famous court case where it was declared that "news does not have to tell the truth".

    Russia will say whatever it wants, mainly Tass and Sputnik push this material, and I don't think the issue of "Ukrainian fake news" is absent here. There is so much, I am not sure if Ukraine is able to publish anything that is actually true.

    Unless a lot of Americans follow Maimunka, it could hardly be a propaganda outlet. We can't even try that with RT since it is blacklisted. Hardly anyone here pays attention.

    This may be different in Europe. I would guess there are more people who at least want to "hear" both sides, rather than pretending one doesn't exist.


    I may be responding to something different than the point you are making; I mean that propaganda is a technique designed to change the way I feel about something. It could be 100% factual. It *may* be seeded with misdirection or other forms of untruth, but, it will *fail* if it crosses a certain threshhold and I deem it untrustworthy.

    World-wide, I suppose there must be a swing group who had no idea if they were pro- or anti-Ukraine and may be heavily influenced by every tiny little thing they hear about it; if so, those are the ones who could be "manipulated" one way or the other.

    The main issue here appeared to be that of a missile hitting a hospital, at the time when five or six Russian missiles hit a factory.

    From what I recall, when one plowed apartments in Odessa, they were willing to say yes, that is ours, after being hit by a defensive round. The main issue is supposed to be about Russia attacking civilians, isn't it?

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    Russia Scrambles Fighter Jets After US Bombers Approach Border: Moscow
    July 21, 2024

    Russian jets were scrambled to prevent two U.S. military long-range bomber aircraft from crossing over into Russia, Moscow's defense ministry said on Sunday.

    Russian MiG-29 and MiG-31 fighter jets identified two U.S. Air Force B-52H heavy bombers closing in on the Russian border after Russia detected aerial targets over the Barents Sea, the Russian government said in a statement posted to social media.

    The Barents Sea sits north of Finland, Sweden and Norway, as well as northwestern Russia.

    "As the Russian fighters approached, the U.S. strategic bombers turned away from the State Border of the Russian Federation," Moscow said in a statement.

    The Russian fighter jets "safely returned to their base airfields," it added.


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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    This clearly is propaganda. Don't you see the difference?
    Well, of course I see the difference in the photos.

    On the left is a Ukrainian photo of a real Ukrainian cop putting theatrical blood on someone. That's what was said, the "theatrical" version is Ukrainian.
    What about the main point?

    It is claimed, by a pro-Russian-government source, that the doctor on the left is the same as the doctor on the right.

    But it's clearly not the same doctor. The shoes are different, the pants are of different lengths, and the blood stains don't match.

    The pro-Russian-government source further claims a Ukrainian policeman prepared the doctor on the left side of the image to appear in the situation on the right side of the image.

    But since it's, in fact, not the same doctor, it's also doubtful that it's a real Ukrainian policeman. More likely someone complicit in producing pro-Russian-government propaganda put on a Ukrainian police uniform.
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    ▫️The Zapad Group of Forces liberated Rozovka (Lugansk People's Republic) and Peschanoye Nizhniye (Kharkov region).

    ▫️Air defense systems shot down one Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force, two French-made Hammer guided bombs, two U.S.-made HIMARS MLRS projectiles, and 40 fixed-wing unmanned aerial vehicles during the day.

    ▫️ The Iskander-M operational-tactical systems carried out group missile strikes against two military echelons (each of 20 platforms).

    ▫️ The Russian airspace control systems located a group aerial target over the Barents Sea waters approaching the State border of the Russian Federation.

    ▫️The Russian Defense Ministry shows Mi-8PSG helicopters, repair units, M-46 gun crews, D-30 howitzers, and units of the 58th Army employing agitation leaflet projectiles in action during the special military operation.

    ▫️ The Tsentr Group of Forces' motorized riflemen were awarded state awards for bravery and courage during completing missions in the special military operation zone.

    Russian Defense Ministry

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