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    So after action analyses and conspiracies aside, let’s get this timeline as close as we can, according to the so called official narrative and reports..

    The day before the assassination attempt, Crooks visits a local shooting range, which he was a member of for the previous year, the Clairton Sportsmen’s Club, also used by the Department of Homeland Security.

    Crooks had no social media accounts but did have three encrypted overseas accounts which are not yet decoded. He left a message on the gaming platform Steam, in which he said that "July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds.”

    In an unclassified briefing on Wednesday the 17th, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting.

    Just before Crooks opened fire, rally-goers spotted him on the roof and tried to alert the police and Secret Service, but Trump was not pulled from the stage at any time in the 20 minutes since Crooks had being spotted on the roof by Secret Service snipers or the 62 minutes before, that he was identified as a person of interest..

    A Butler Township police officer attempted to stop the shooter, climbing up the roof to approach him, but Crooks pointed his gun at the officer, prompting the officer to retreat, according to Butler County Sheriff.

    It was at this point that Crooks fired his weapon eight times toward Trump, who at that moment turned to look at a Jumbotron, saving his life.

    Corey Comparatore, a 50 year-old former volunteer fire chief died while trying to protect his family during the attempted assassination - he dived onto them to shield them from the bullets, but was fatally shot.

    David Dutch, a 57 year-old long-time employee of the technology company Siemens, suffered damage to his liver and broken ribs in the shooting and has had to have more than one operation.

    James Copenhaver, a 74 year-old, retired man from Moon Township, Pennsylvania, was also wounded in the shoulder.

    A Secret Service sniper shot back at Crooks, fatally shooting him in the head 26 seconds after Crooks first opened fire.

    The FBI said that, after the assassin was killed he was searched for ID but had none, he was instead dentified by facial recognition and DNA by the local authorities within an hour. When the FBI searched Crooks’ home and vehicle to collect additional evidence, suspicious devices were found and have since been “rendered safe” by bomb technicians.

    Investigators found a bulletproof vest, three fully loaded magazines, and two remote-controlled explosives in his car, which was parked near the rally. Crooks was found with a detonator next to his body, and his car’s trunk contained a metal box of explosives connected with wires to a receiver.

    He also had a drone, which, he used to aerially scout the site of the rally just hours before the shooting.

    So in conclusion:

    Despite the Secret Service adding protective resources and technology and capabilities as part of the increased campaign travel tempo, the assassin, Crooks, a 20 yo working in a nursing home, on the day of the shooting takes the day off work, buys a five foot ladder from home depot and fifty rounds of ammo, borrows a rifle from his dad, then is seen using a range finder, but evades capture by the police and Secret Service for over an hour. He is then spotted by the public on a nearby unsecured building only a hundred and fifty yards away from Trump, then is able to get 8 shots off before being shot by a counter sniper team.

    In short he completely evades the highest trained security organization on earth. But to be fair, he was a fully trained dietary aid, a lone wolf and a member of a rifle club for over a year.

    Have I missed anything according to the official narrative?

    It all sounds pretty legit to me, clearly nothing else to see here, case closed, move along…..x…. N

    Updated timeline:

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    She wriggles from these questions with the skill of a politician. She should run for office.

    BREAKING NEWS: Jim Jordan Goes Absolutely Nuclear On Secret Service Director Over Trump Shooting
    At today's House Oversight Committee hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) tore into Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle over her handling of former President Trump's security.
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    Quote Posted by Vangelo (here)
    Was There A Second Shooter? Owen Shroyer And John Cullen Debate
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    This is a well argued video presenting multiple shooters.
    [...]
    It seems like John Cullen is having as much of a hard time as I have, to get it across that Trump couldn't have been hit by that first shot...

    Yet, Trump, at the moment that first shot was heard, started lifting his right hand towards his ear... not possible with the constraints imposed on the trajectory of that first shot by the evidence occurring at that same moment along the upper edge of the stage-left bleacher! Yet Trump already had his hand to his ear by the time of the second shot and was ducking at the time of the third shot.

    That's why I am calling Trump's bloodied ear a simulation.

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    She wriggles from these questions with the skill of a politician. She should run for office.

    BREAKING NEWS: Jim Jordan Goes Absolutely Nuclear On Secret Service Director Over Trump Shooting
    At today's House Oversight Committee hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) tore into Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle over her handling of former President Trump's security.
    Same ole song and dance as usual. The left filibusters for gun control and the right yells about how naughty she is.
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    She answers all question as if schooled in the; take no responsibility , remain vague , we've got your back, you are protected, corrupt ,lefty democrat Soros funded, this will all blow over, school of total lies and evasion,

    All while the country, under crippling inflation and the high costs of everything is rocked to sleep by a bought and criminally owned MSMedia to disorient the people.

    So far its been working.

    Up next, The Cackling Camel, perhaps the emptiest vessel in this surreal sketch so far.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    Quote Posted by Vangelo (here)
    Was There A Second Shooter? Owen Shroyer And John Cullen Debate
    source:


    This is a well argued video presenting multiple shooters.
    [...]
    It seems like John Cullen is having as much of a hard time as I have, to get it across that Trump couldn't have been hit by that first shot...

    Yet, Trump, at the moment that first shot was heard, started lifting his right hand towards his ear... not possible with the constraints imposed on the trajectory of that first shot by the evidence occurring at that same moment along the upper edge of the stage-left bleacher! Yet Trump already had his hand to his ear by the time of the second shot and was ducking at the time of the third shot.

    That's why I am calling Trump's bloodied ear a simulation.
    So to be clear, as I understand you, please correct me if I’ve got this wrong in any way. Your saying that this was a staged event by the Trump team to boost his ratings in the run up to the election, right?

    So THEY, being the Trump team, would have had to in some way hire Crooks to be the patsy for this, a big ask, to say the least.

    THEY must have conspired to make sure that elements of Homeland Security, local law enforcement and Secret Service were in on it, in order to seem like they performed so poorly that day, allowing the patsy to be able able to mount the unsecured roof top.

    THEY must have instructed one or more shooters to wound and kill the other rally goers, to make it seem more real.

    THEY must have killed their patsy, who apparently wasn’t a stupid person and presumably would have known his demise was included in the plan.

    THEY must have put fake blood on his ear after the shots were fired and then in some way forced a doctor to lie about his wounds.

    THEY would have to have to include many many individuals into this conspiracy, thereby creating tens or hundreds of weak links, that would need to be cleaned up after the event.

    THEY would have to believe that not one of those weak links would ever talk.

    THEY would take that chance, given Trump’s lead in the poles before this event and seemingly inevitable presidential win.

    It seems like a lot to stage, given the obvious potential for failure and to be found out with so many loose ends and therefore lose ANY chance to become president. How are you imagining that these problems were overcome in your scenario?

    Occam’s razor suggests that for problem-solving principles it is recommended to search for explanations that are constructed with the smallest possible set of elements. To me, your explanation suggest the largest amount of possible elements, rather than the contrary.

    Have I missed something?…….x…… N

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    Yet, Trump, at the moment that first shot was heard, started lifting his right hand towards his ear...
    That's because the second shot was made within milliseconds of the first shot, as John Cullen shows us when he points out that just a few video frames _after_ all the "kinetic reactions" to the first shot passing along the upper row of the stage left (most southern) bleacher, one more man (white shirt, black pants) standing in the second row from the top, but in line with Crookes on the AGR roof, and Trump, is also hit.

    That evidence, which I found to be quite persuasive, is somewhere in the 2.5 hours interview linked below. Bret Weinstein takes a long time to say nearly the same things over and over, and John Cullen builds slowly to his key observations.

    I'll need to have some coffee and properly index this interview. It's unfair of me to ask others to listen to it end to end to find the key nuggets. On my first listen, last night, I found Cullen's evidence to be very persuasive.

    There were two nearly simultaneous opening shots. One shot came from the direction of the water tower, which startled the (likely intended target) Secret Service snipers on the roof of the northern most building of the three buildings behind Trump, and the other shot came from the direction of the AGR roofs, presumably shot by Crookes, that lines up with Trump and the one additional man (white shirt, black pants) who was hit, standing in the second row from the top of that same bleacher, stage left, south of Trump.

    So if Cullen's observations are accurate, Trump did start to flinch at almost exactly the same time as the first shot, even though that first shot went nowhere near him. The second shot did go near him, and was shot at almost the same time. Those, such as Chris Martenson and Mike Adam, who have analyzed the "krack-boom" time deltas for each gun shot, using the public audio from Trump's microphone, would not notice two shots, because the two boom's would have reached Trump's microphone at practically the same time, and the first shot's krack (from its supersonic flight path) was too far away from Trump's microphone to show up on that audio track.


    (I might have glitched a detail or two in the previous two paragraphs - typing from memory here.)
    ===

    P.S. -- Ah - good - someone has already posted a follow-up tweet to the above Darkhorse Podcast, giving some timestamps of topics covered in the interview:
    • Timestamps:
    • (00:00) Introduction
    • (03:50) Las Vegas shooting, COVID, and inductive reasoning
    • (10:00) Asperger's as a tool
    • (15:50) Sponsors
    • (18:00) John's background
    • (23:35) First look at the attempted Trump assassination
    • (28:15) Eye witness accounts
    • (35:10) Journalists as disinformation spreaders
    • (38:02) Second shooter on water tower
    • (52:10) First shot at Trump
    • (01:19:30) Trajectory of first and second bullets
    • (01:31:30) Lack of disclosure at press conferences
    • (01:36:10) A third shooter?
    • (01:45:00) Trump's head position and the water tower
    • (01:50:20) Indirect communication with Trump around 1917 flu
    • (01:56:05) Water tower shooter
    • (02:09:00) Chris Martenson's audio analysis
    • (02:20:00) Was somebody killed on the water tower?
    • (02:22:40) Las Vegas shooting
    • (02:24:10) Suspect on the run
    • (02:28:30) Back to Vegas shooting
    • (02:32:25) Back to audio analysis
    • (02:43:40) Wrap up
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    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    THEY must have instructed one or more shooters to wound and kill the other rally goers, to make it seem more real.
    A couple of days ago, I would have more or less agreed with Gwin Ru, albeit with a twist. I was figuring (though not posting in public, as I sensed my "figuring" was too far freakin out to be credible) that the (D) team really did set out to assassinate Trump (hence the woeful lack of adequate Secret Service protection), but that the (Trump) team got wind of the assassination plot and turned it against the (D) team.

    However now that I am learning what a bloody (*) shooting gallery this event was, I have changed my mind. No way would Trump or his key staff put him in the midst of such a shooting gallery, trusting on a gust of wind and a turn of the head to avoid having Trump's brains blown out in full public view. No way.

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    (*) "bloody" in the red blooded Yankee sense, not in the British dark humor sense.
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    ... and the other shot came from the direction of the AGR roofs, presumably shot by Crookes, that lines up with Trump and the one additional man (white shirt, black pants) who was hit, standing in the second row from the top of that same bleacher, stage left, south of Trump.
    John Cullen starts his commentary on this second shot hitting the man in the white shirt, black pants, at about the 1:09:30 mark in this Dark Horse podcast.

    Cullen is clearly not a hardcore computer hardware engineer. When he says "a millisecond", he uses that word in a way closer to the more common sense of "a small fraction of a second", rather than in the more technical sense of "1000 microseconds, plus or minus 500 microseconds." After I listened to enough of his explanations in this podcast, I learned to "translate" his "millisecond" to "just a few video frames", which at 60 frames per second would be perhaps 16 to 64 milliseconds, plus or minus some fuzz.
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    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    [...]

    Have I missed something?…….x…… N
    It couldn't have been the result of the first shot heard and Trump already had his hand over his right ear at the time of the second shot... all these are constraints as to which element to seriously take into consideration.

    Then, one has to explain the staggering sequence of chains of incompetence before, during and after and which are getting a majority of people lost in the mazes of smoke and mirrors which all point to a single blanket statement: It was allowed to happen.

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    You can SKIP BACK (of this live stream):
    • Secret Service Kim Cheatle Hearing on Trump Assassination Attempt:

    Watch live: Oversight of the U.S. Secret Service and the Attempted Assassination of President Donald J. Trump. Kim Cheatle is scheduled to speak before the Oversight committee in Congress in the US House of Representatives. At 10am ET in Washington DC, the director of the United States Secret Service Kim Cheatle will be questioned about the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump at a campaign rally last week in Butler, Pennsylvania. Thomas Matthew Crooks has been identified as the alleged shooter in the investigation. The hearing will center on apparent oversights and mistakes the Secret Service may have made in their protection of former President Trump at the campaign rally. The organization has faced fierce criticism for allowing the shooter to get so close into position before responding and taking him out.

    The president of the Butler Farm Show – where former President Trump held his rally on Saturday when the assassination attempt unfolded – tells the New York Times that Secret Service agents first visited the site less than a week before the event.

    AOC, MTG, Nancy Mace and others all got in on the questioning.

    Organizers for Trump’s campaign asked to use the site in Butler on July 3 before Secret Service agents showed up to scan the area on July 8, Ken Laughlin said to the newspaper.

    "It just seemed like an awful quick turn around,” he said.

    Trump's rally was supposed to be held at the Butler County Airport -- but the airport was already booked out for July 13 for the Penn Township Volunteer Fire Company’s annual Mega Cruise car show, according to Stephanie Saracco, the Butler County Airport Manager.

    Trump held a rally at the airport on October 31, 2020 as President.

    Former Department of Defense counterterrorism analyst Kara Frederick said on the 'The Faulkner Focus' Friday that the House hearing next week with the Secret Service’s director “should give us a lot of answers” surrounding the investigation of Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks.

    The House Oversight Committe is set to question Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle on Monday.

    The hearing comes after Rep. Michael Waltz, R-Fla., said members of Congress were told this week that Crooks had three encrypted accounts on overseas platforms.

    “As something I did for almost ten years with the government and then with a big tech company, what you do is you can extract data from these platforms,” Frederick said. “You can figure out who were these platforms that he was supposedly using – even if they were encrypted – who was he talking to, what are his IP addresses, can you geolocate him to those physical locations... was he using aliases?”

    “There are people who are in the government – even who are outside of the government – who can work to exploit that information that those accounts would convey,” she added.

    The House Committee On Oversight and Accountability has scheduled a hearing for Monday with Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle, who is facing criticism and calls to resign from lawmakers over her agency's handling of the Trump rally shooting last weekend in Pennsylvania.

    The hearing, titled "Oversight of the U.S. Secret Service and the Attempted Assassination of President Donald J. Trump," is set to unfold on Capitol Hill beginning at 10 a.m. ET Monday.

    Cheatle is refusing to resign, but House Speaker Mike Johnston told FOX Business on Thursday that he is prepared to call on President Biden to fire her.

    “Continuity of operations is paramount during a critical incident and U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has no intentions to step down. She deeply respects members of Congress and is fiercely committed to transparency in leading the Secret Service through the internal investigation and strengthening the agency through lessons learned in these important internal and external reviews,” Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement late Wednesday.
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    So just finished watching the four hours and fifty minutes of the director of the Secret Service speaking to congress about the Trump assassination plot and we know no more than we did before it started. Shocking. Forget asking for her resignation, she needs to be fired. Nothing new, nothing answered, shocking shift of blame.

    In summary:

    Q what happened the day of the thirteenth?

    A I appreciate that question but cannot speak to details that are currently being investigated by the FBI…

    It could have been that quick and we’d know as much as we do after nearly five hours……..x…….. N

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    It couldn't have been the result of the first shot heard and Trump already had his hand over his right ear at the time of the second shot... all these are constraints as to which element to seriously take into consideration
    Follow what John Cullen finds, as I've documented above.

    As I look more carefully at Cullen's analysis, at the 1:13:48 to 1:13:49 mark, I see the lady's purse blown backward about 6 to 8 video frames before I see the man in the white shirt and black pants (who is standing in the second row from the bleacher top, just to the right of the purse lady from this camera's perspective) start to react. One can slow down video playback speed to 0.25x speed, using the video setting controls provided by Twitter (X), and replay a few times, to better see this.

    Yes, it was not the first shot that hit Trump, but the second shot that apparently did hit Trump was only about one-tenth of a second (6 to 8 video frames) later, assuming 60 fps video.
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    [...]
    However now that I am learning what a bloody (*) shooting gallery this event was, I have changed my mind. No way would Trump or his key staff put him in the midst of such a shooting gallery, trusting on a gust of wind and a turn of the head to avoid having Trump's brains blown out in full public view. No way.
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    Hence the "simulation" part, whatever Hollywood special FX was used to fulfill some "head wound" biblical prophecy. The rest is "False Flag" with real bullets flying around; none of them aimed at Trump..

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    The rest is "False Flag" with real bullets flying around; none of them aimed at Trump..
    We should have talked a day ago. I'd have bought you a beer and agreed.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    It couldn't have been the result of the first shot heard and Trump already had his hand over his right ear at the time of the second shot... all these are constraints as to which element to seriously take into consideration
    [...]
    Yes, it was not the first shot that hit Trump, but the second shot that apparently did hit Trump was only about one-tenth of a second (6 to 8 video frames) later, assuming 60 fps video.

    I think this answers it:
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    [...]It couldn't have been the result of the first shot heard and Trump already had his hand over his right ear at the time of the second shot... all these are constraints as to which element to seriously take into consideration.
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    I think this answers it:
    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    [...]It couldn't have been the result of the first shot heard and Trump already had his hand over his right ear at the time of the second shot... all these are constraints as to which element to seriously take into consideration.
    [...]
    What you're calling the second shot is not what I'm calling the second shot.

    What I, following Cullen's analysis, am calling the second shot was less than 0.1 to 0.2 seconds after the first shot. I have seen no evidence that Trump had his hand over his ear in LESS than 0.1 to 0.2 seconds after the first shot. Heck, he'd have had to move his arm at nearly a speed that would have impressed Muhammad Ali in his prime to do that.

    I don't even see how such evidence would be possible, with the audio/video equipment we've seen so far at this event.

    What I (and John Cullen) are calling the second shot does not even show up on the audio tracks analyzed by Mike Adams and Chris Martenson. It was too far away from Trump's microphone for the ultrasonic shock wave of the bullet to show up, and the subsequent report of the rifle that shot it would have arrived at Trump's microphone at practically the same time as the first shot (that was fired from the water tower).
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    • Congresswoman Nancy Mace to Director of Secret Service: “You’re Full of ShÏt!”:
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    At today's House Oversight Committee hearing, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) grilled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle about the assassination attempt on former President Trump.
    • The fact that she's not resigning today tells us everything we need to know...she clearly knows she doesn't have to worry.
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    Chris Martenson published this 5 hours ago. I've NOT listened to this yet, but I'm betting it's a pretty watertight analysis.

    His title states "There Were Two Shooters", but I'll be interested to know if Martenson is really saying at least two shooters.

    Three Audio Files Align and Agree: There Were Two Shooters


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