An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Lettherebelight]

Hi folks,

Again I say to all voices here, We're going through this together.
We all benefit from exchanging thoughts and insights.
Some are straight-shooting, some contemplative, some chivalrous.
All together, we are Avalon, invited here by Bill Ryan.
Our sister forum, Camelot, managed by Kerrie Cassidy.
The mission...advancement of consciousness for all.

It's been a pretty bumpy ride since January 1...Bodixa nailed it when she said she
felt she'd aged 10 years in the last two months...Lol!

According to the vedas, even though we stand on the brink of a Golden age, we are
still in the midst of the age of Kali, which is described as the age of quarrel and
hypocrisy. Kali yuga is said to be an 'ocean of faults'.

To any valued members throttling back at this stage, Ross, Beth, Richard, Celine, you will be sorely missed. Know that you've helped more people than you realise. The consciousness expressed here gets shared out exponentially worldwide. But let's take a moment, does anyone have to leave?



We really need to begin to look beyond mistakes that good-hearted souls may
make, now more than ever... why?

Our world and personal consciousness is changing. Old protocols, based on impersonal strictures and laws are crumbling.

There is another way of relating to one another, closer to the heart
That will be the new reality, folks, that every single person counts...
That every relationship will be personal on some level...

No one will any longer be disposable.
Every teenager, every elderly person, every unborn babe, every creature...every forum member who is good at heart!

It sounds ridiculously idealistic, but this is what we're all headed for
And Avalon is one of the few places in the world where this consciousness is being
born, maybe the only place on the Internet.

We are not surprised to see conflict, screw ups...it's inevitable.
Let's all carry on...together.

Everyone make any adjustments you need to your life, only you know what they are.
The inner voice is getting clearer, louder.
shore up your courage..
Make yourself strong

The battle isn't over yet...
Avalon is not just another forum.

[Tangri]

Posted by manny (here)
just a thought
how many people will leave here and join charles site.
the master of manipulation,stated he was sent to split bill and kerry.
next avalon?
how many people have left already.
how many people said they may leave soon.
is there a connection?

It is not quantity , It is Quality we needed

[Selene]

Permit me to add an observation I’ve just said to another member here:

There’s undoubtedly a back door on this site that ‘someone outside’ can access to read PM’s and then relay the info to another smurf/agent or to innocent members that the outsider wishes to entangle. The recipient never knows who really hacked the PM’s.

It’s the perfect plot: Leave everyone supposedly ‘involved’ here feeling rightfully abused but actually blameless since they did not, in fact, read anyone else’s mail and therefore, let them start swinging wildly at each other, blaming the other guy.... Yup. Sit back and let them destroy each other as the real miscreant watches from, oh, back at Langley.

I trust that cooler heads here will eventually prevail. Richard, Celine and Bill all deserve another chance here. I think they’ve been played.

Respectfully,

Selene

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by Icecold (here)
LOL. It may not have anything to do with Admin or mods.

Be aware that there are specialised people or AIs who have infiltrated this forum.

Edit: to suggest a far greater problem that email security breaches.

What I'm saying is that it is not ADMIN and it is not MODS. Speculative at the moment, Edit

This is not a fantasy I'm afraid.

First, I'm still trying to catch up in this thread, at page #7 as of now. I apologize if this matter already has been discussed. Nevertheless, I think Icecold address some important issues that should be considered with great reflection. That consideration might change the flow of speculation of "who did and who did not" read the PM, E-mails that you perceived as "private".

I put myself in a dangerous situation, but my decision might be of value for project Avalon. I've come to believe that this forum is extremly important for the readiness and outcome of future events. I made this decision myself, and it is only myself I can blame for being foolish enough to choose my member name.

For more than a decade I've been deeply involved, and I mean deeply, in the so called "The Scene", more commonly known as "the hacking community". If you ever come across any of the more famous names, presented in the media, I can assure you that they are just the bottom of the pyramid. The ones in the top never got caught, never will be caught and many times they even control how the police, FBI, CIA and Interpol search for them.

I have many thoughts about AI, security and how we "should" interpret Internet, who is controlling it and why. I have restrained myself from letting those thoughts out, because I left "The Scene" 2008 and I don't want the dangerous parts back in my life and eventually stab me in my back.

Believe me when I say that it might not be Bill or the moderators that have been [and still are] reading your PM or E-mail. It is an easy doing for the ones in the "know how"... I could, but I won't!

Remember, nothing is private on the internet.

Face it.
Live with it.
Let it go.

We have a future to take care of!
That is a much more important issue.
I hope to be a part of it.


Avalonians, thy word are a lamp unto my feet and a light for my path / InCiDeR

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by ace (here)
Lord sid

I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
.

What's your concern in all this,?

Well, I came here to learn from those who knew more than me and help those that I know more than in other areas. All of this fighting and taking sides takes us away from the goal.

There is a line in a tune by Ozzy Osbourne where he says ''If you choose your side, you pick your enemy'' and I believe that is true. But none of us here should be enemies, we should be here to help each other.

Posted by ace (here)
why are you putting all your effort in to tidying this
up in to a nice little box and wanting it out of sight?

Your posts about facebook struck me as being not only confrontational, but implying that our friend was dodging your questions when we don't even know he has seen them. At least if you sent him a PM, you will know he got it.
And it doesn't start yet more little fires when some of us are trying to put out the last lot.

Posted by ace (here)
You strike me as rely trying to get in to peoples minds.

If that is how you perceive my efforts, then you are wrong.

Posted by ace (here)
If you don't like what is being talked about here in this thread
feel free to go play somewhere else.

Thanks for the permission, but I have more carrots yet. Would you like a couple?

Posted by ace (here)
I rely can see why you took so much crap on other forums.
You kind of bring it on yourself.

In some situations, yes, I did and still do. That is one of the things I am trying to learn to not do anymore.

Posted by ace (here)
Trust me you know nothing

Ace

Thanks for your condescending attitude, as I said to my Kiwi friend, it usually shows more about others than me.


By the way, I have posted at least twice that I know nothing about this, but you seem to think you know the whole thing.

The first part of learning more is to admit you know nothing.

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
I got over it, even the lies.
That all shows me more about them than me.
And don't take this the wrong way, this isn't a shot across your bow, more of a helpful piece of info.

That's a very fair point of view to take.

In my own way I am trying very hard to guide people into some degree of balance.

But more importantly, I want this process to expose all of the rotten apples.

I see little point in taking the stance that what is visible is the full extent of the problem and then continuing with the rest of the cancer not excised.

But you know, to those from the other side of the fence who operate in the absence of hard facts, I totally agree that looks like a witch hunt too.



I do thank you for your message. It has reminded me that I've said enough now.

And on a personal note - I see the process as part of the Avalon Community growing pains. But it is an evolutionary process. PA3 may even result from it. What doesn't kill Avalon only makes it stronger.

In spite of these side-shows, Avalon is a special place. And it is only that because of the people that come here. Thank you.

I have been sitting here patiently waiting for someone to have the courage to lay all their cards on the table face up. If things are left as is, the wound may heal, but the poison is still left inside to fester and break forth some time in the future. The wound must be thoroughly cleansed in order to heal properly. Or is the intent to leave us questioning one another, being suspicious of one another, and looking to cover our backs before speaking? That is the way of tptb. I did not think that was the way of this forum.

The thing is Belle, there is a very fine line between laying all the cards out on the table and adding more fuel to the fire, so that more of us get burnt.
That seems to be happening in this thread already.
What I would prefer to see is that those parties involved go away and sort themselves out, then come back.
Then, once the heat is off, we can sort this all out.
Right now, the embers are still fairly hot.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by ace (here)
Lord sid

I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
.

post deleat

Daft rush of blood to the head. stupid no point.

apologise to the recipient.


Ace

No worries Ace, been there done that and burnt myself with my own flame.
No apology accepted, as none required by me.

[ponda]

Selene said:


Sit back and let them destroy each other as the real miscreant watches from, oh, back at Langley.

Good example Selene.

The negative influenced et's might also be able to access the inner mechanics of forums so as to cause divisiveness,distractions and disruptions etc

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
I want you to have the courage to follow-up and explain your comments, or take it all back and apologize to Bill. Just so you are aware Dennis you read what you want to read the meaning behind the words comes from you alone .


You interpret them the way you feel you must .I am under no obligation to explaain myself to you . You have no authority here unless i grant it to you we can continue all day if you want in won`t bother me . Bill and i are discussing via PM and there for it is not relevant to you or any others any longer

How can we move on and trust Bill when you purport to know the truth and dangle it out there, tantalizingly close, then lose the courage to tell the truth about Bill? .

I have lost no courage Bill is aware of things. Trust is built thru transparency now days it used to be trust was built thru some ones word a type of dare i say Honour but I wouldn`t want to bring ego into this

(I colored the above quote clump - your words in red - as it was impossible to separate your words from my words in that blended quote.)

You know the impression you left with your post #321, and you know your intent. Another member besides me immediately stated he/she was worried about whether Bill is trustworthy, due to your post. Negative innuendo about Bill is destructive to Avalon. Either edit your original post or explain it. I don't want to "read the meaning behind the words" because they are your words, they are making an accusation as to Bill's character, and I want your explanation, not my guess.

Dennis

Mod-edit: I have since cleaned up the quoting of the Northern Boy post linked above, but am leaving Dennis' red/green annotations as is. It works just as well for this post as would copying in the usual nested quoting boxes. -- Paul.

[Mike]

Northern Boy,

Dennis has got a pretty good argument here.

Sincerely,
Everybody who is sick and tired of
the ridiculous posts suggesting veiled
accusations of
Bill's alleged double life while neglecting to
provide any proof whatsoever

[Realeyes]

[K626]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Posted by perfectresonance (here)
If there is going to be a proper cleaning out here, then we would be short sighted to assume the problem will end with Rich and Celine having been exposed.

Exposed? Steady on, as far as I know no one has been accused of anything other than an inappropriate personal attack on another member. Or have I missed something?

Yes. You have only heard the case of the prosecution.

The case of the defense hasn't been heard.

Not everything is public knowledge.

Observe the members that are repeatedly forcing the same opinion on the rest of us trying to get the idea they are pushing into your mind as Truth.

Without the accused being able to explain.

Yes.

There is still a lot missing.



I don't blame members for having strong loyalties and unbreakable ties. But I fear their loyalty drives them to poison the Avalon Well that we all drink from.

It really isn't that complex mate.

I'm guesssing there was disagreement between some of the mods and Bill regarding the handling of the Charles material and other connected issues (which I think most of us suspected).

That is the source of all the angst to the best of my divination. I'm rarely wrong and even when I'm wrong I'm right.

GW will soon return so you don't need to worry about her either.

Hope this helps.

K the Witchsmellerpersviant Overlord.

[Ahkenaten]

Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

Nothing like a sharpened organic carrot up your nose to make you think about something else, no?

[Agape]

This is not an exercise . I repeat, 'this is not an exercise'. 9 hours 42 minutes and counting. Quit the emergency zone ...

[K626]

Posted by Agape (here)
This is not an exercise . I repeat, 'this is not an exercise'. 9 hours 42 minutes and counting. Quit the emergency zone ...

What about the airlock!!

[Northern Boy]

Lets just say Bill doesn`t have a double life. If he does I`m not aware of it . I never said he did. Some here just like to twist things to have them mean they are something different then what is being implied . Dennis go get yer court order so I can send off my bill to yer judge. I owe you nothing and I`ll not betray the trust of friends to satisfy your ego and childlike behavior .

I have lost no courage Bill is aware of things. Trust is built thru transparency now days it used to be trust was built thru some ones word a type of dare i say Honour but I wouldn`t want to bring ego into this

[Ahkenaten]

That is a pretty rude comment for a "Lord"................

[Northern Boy]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

Nothing like a sharpened organic carrot up your nose to make you think about something else, no?

You get a better response when you use GMO ones

[Ross]

Posted by Redtailhawk (here)

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Posted by Ross (here)
Hello all,

After 2.5 years of service to this Forum I am stepping down as a Moderator, as of today. I have lost my passion for continuing under the guidance of Bill, our founder.

I'm sorry to hear that you've decided to step down as a moderator. There's obviously more going on than meets the eye here, and I'd very much like to get a better understanding of it. Would you be willing to discuss your perspective on recent events either in private or public?

Wow Ross, that is sad. I hope you stay as a member.

Would you be willing to comment further on your friendship with Gypsy? I got the impression from one of her posts out of concern for you, that you two know each other personally?

Thank you for everything you have done for us Ross.

Maria

Hello,

I do not know Gypsy personally at all.

My Sister was caught up in the CHCH earthquake. I posted about this in the earthquake thread. I then recieved several PM's from GW asking if she was ok, she showed me compassion and I felt genuine concerns from her.

However, I also witnessed another side, a very unhinged and manic person with terribly vicious threats coming from her. My conclusions are that she on certian days acts fairly level, other days the complete opposite. She has many "sides" to her. As a Moderator I gave my view to the team,(this was on the 2nd day she arrived, from my own 'vibe' (I have been around a while) I knew her presence here would be extemely challanging...it proved to be just that.

Ross

[K626]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

Nothing like a sharpened organic carrot up your nose to make you think about something else, no?

Don't overdo the organics!!!!

[Ahkenaten]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
Hey Lord Siduous, what is with all the carrots anyway? Are you looking for some rabbits?

Nothing like a sharpened organic carrot up your nose to make you think about something else, no?

You get a better response when you use GMO ones

HAHAHAHAHA! Very good!!