An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Anchor]

Posted by Janos (here)
The second you merged the private and public areas of the forum accidentally, you should have sworn off messing with things that you were not competent in using.

There are no such thing as accidents; everything has a purpose even if the design of those things are of a higher unknown order.

It is time to move on.

Step after step.

[Flash]

I have the greatest respect for you Bill, and your last post just enhanced it. From what I just read, I know you will forgive even if you don't reinstate. Thank you for taking care of the underdogs all your life.

But please, if you ever come in Montreal, you have a place to sleep, please don't stay in your car. Reading this broke my heart. You are really giving it all, I appreciate, knowing that I don't know how difficult it may be.

Thanks for your post, it made it much more comprehensible. That I agree or not does not matter, in your own, you did what you saw as the best.

[000]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
But maybe I say too little about myself sometimes.

Context matters infinitely. [When in a position of trustworthy leadership especially. In the sense that a flock of birds is lead by the most capable navigator in the flock.]

Thank you for your honesty

This is the kind of transparency I expect to see and have just seen. I can respect that.

[SteveX]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
Steve why not just quote the post rather then hand type it Seems rather redundant and you and Jia do not know the circumstances surrounding the post Celine made so who are you to judge. Bill may have the knowledge to answer yet no one has asked him (for a change) what he thinks so have at it he is reading this thread now ask him via PM

Jesus...any idea what cut an paste is?

Look chap.....this isn't, as far as I’m concerned, about a solitary poxy post....grrr, I feel myself losing my patients...the one you are solitary refering to. You can remain myopic but some of us, clearly unlike yourself, see the bigger picture! Unfortunately you keep referring to the tip of what I see as the ICEBURGE. This, AS FAR AS I"M COCERNED, is about the demeanour of Celine and Richards bias, a bias that was evidently clear, rude and beyond his remit as a Mod. The abuse of his mod powers to let his wife get away scot free many many times. You or I would have been nailed for half as much as Celine has got away with.

Dude! read the love an light of Celines posts in this thread alone. Read the comments about "I'm learning". How many freakin times as she said that?. It’s a card that's played long beyond its sell by date. She's a grown woman for gawd sake. You are obviously unaware of all the DELETED posts that Celine is featured in. Saved by the hand of Richard. Christ sake mate I'm on the verge of being abusive trying to explain this and it really surprises me that so many DON'T see it.

I look forward to the day that a topic can be explored intellectually without fear of. <had to edited the rest of this paragraph>

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
Oh i here you Bill And If you decide to ban me it bothers me not.

No problem at all.

[sjkted]

I have a question for Bill:

Did you not foresee all of this happening with introducing the Charles material, Charles to the forum, and then adding about a thousand new members?

If you don't like my question, you can always ban me too.

--sjkted

[Zook]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.

Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?

If yes, why are you the first to betray it?



ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.

[granny]

Posted by Noble Hops (here)
Thanks for taking the time to write that, Bill!

Bill ...

I too thank you for trying to clear up as much confusion as possible.

Avalon will slide over this speed bump. As a newbie here I have been rushing to keep up and learn the ropes Avalon is a wonderful forum filled with many spiritual lights ... it is also lively and interesting ... truth seekers abound.

I have been on this journey for many years ... have probably seen all the Camelot video (most more than once), listened to all the audios and read most of the reports. I visit Kerry's site to get her radio broadcassts and read her blog. I am so happy you had such a wonderful conference and loved all the photos.

I think what I am trying to get to is after all these years of listening (on many sites) to all the differing reports and excellent whistleblowers, we still have no clear picture of what is the true story. I consider it a jigsaw puzzle and imagine the pieces floating in a cloud ... as time goes on and I learn more some of the pieces drift down and begin to fit. I thank you and your staff for all the hard work to bring this material to light.

I do have an understanding of the anger that comes from the awakening ... and I admit I have ranted and railed my share in the past, but I finally found that calm within and began to live in gratitude and love. Oh, I still want to "know" ... but the fire simmers now instead of flaming.

Anyway ... too much about me ... probably that old ego jumping up.

Thanks again for the explanation.

Be Joy ... Granny Jan

ps: On the pm thing ... I probably did not pm you because I assumed you would already have too many pms to respond to ... and I think you know what happens when we assume.

[Icecold]

Posted by Isostool (here)
This is offered for those who might need it and is written with healing in mind. But if you know your steel, then indeed you know it. Avalon is an important body. It just IS.

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It is about having a unifying factor that is SO strong that it keeps your focus through divisions. We don't need to make one up - an enemy, or have one made up for us. We already have one we can call many names.. our inner weaknesses is a good way of saying it. If our priority is on staying unified then division is relegated to a second priority and movement is continued - towards fixing the planet. It's not really about anything 'talked' about 'here' [the 'issues' going on], not really. It's about all the people suffering. And the fact that as all this 'goes down' - we are NOT doing what we COULD be doing to help move the earth into a position where this suffering is relieved... not doing this to our utmost.... to the best of our abilities...., as a priority - for our beloved one/s.

Self sacrifice means sacrificing things which are less important for something of a greater importance. Every living thing that is suffering. They are a part of your body. They are your body, and that of your loved ones... They ARE your loved ones.

Is it at all possible that if we are not comprehensively capable of finding our functioning unity through unified focus, that the universe will have to thrust a catalyst upon us? Just a thought. It might not be so gentle as we could be of our own violition..

Unification brings motion and efficient functioning. Staying INTACT is a priority. of course there may be restructuring, but what I am seeing here is instability of a nature and magnitude in things and places that really should know better.

When it gets like this... you just have to do it for THEM: the ones who can't do it for themselves. Those in incredible suffering. those who are in more than YOU ARE.

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bits from the last post, which I took down, ....:

Look to the most high purpose you can find - and do it for THAT.

With the understanding that YOU SHALL NOT ALLOW YOUR WEAKNESSES TO BEAT YOU.

this is unashamedly about: SELF MASTERY.

Proclaim that you have the strength to stay in your centre about it - not 50% but give it all you have - give it 100%. Take a knife, if necessary, to the parts of yourself which keep you from your centre - each implement has its place and time.... claim your self mastery and sovereignty. and if in doubt, just be NOTHINGNESS. nothing can touch you in that. because you in essence, don't exist. [well you do.. but in your own singular universe - and you are the master of it, with the only key].

Reclaim the part of you that is just plainly 100% uninterested with the stir, with anyone's bait. put it ALL down and go back into the nothingness. That is what you are. silence. solid. peace. in here there is your SELF(true). And your sovereignty.

I'm not saying don't deal with it. I'm just saying stay as the rock of your centre. The truth is a rock which those who do not know themselves bleed upon.

being your true self in the eternal silence of I AM is the finest weapon of unified peace we shall ever know.

I love you girl.

Great post and focus. Keep it up please.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by sjkted (here)
I have a question for Bill:

Did you not foresee all of this happening with introducing the Charles material, Charles to the forum, and then adding about a thousand new members?

If you don't like my question, you can always ban me too.

--sjkted

It's a good question. All the mods will confirm - someone, please do! - that I warned them back in August of last year that the forum would soon double or treble in size.

I urged everyone to prepare for far greater challenges of every kind, and for the team to be enlarged. I would have appointed more people, earlier, but I had always been hands-off with regards to the mods team choosing their own team members. They were slow to do this. I think what I was saying must have been unreal for them. But I could see the train coming down the tracks.

I also wanted to increase the numbers of admins (tecnical mods, familiar with the software) so that not so much pressure was on Richard - who had been under immense personal load.

He was really the only one in the team who had a deep technical knowledge of vBulletin (the forum software). It seemed self-evident to me that we needed three admins of equal capability in different time zones: one in North America, one in Europe, and one in Australia or New Zealand. Richard refused to consider it. I did not interfere.

[Chicodoodoo]

Oh, and please, Avalonians, stop any mention of getting yourself banned! We've been through the emotional wringer here. As you post, try to remember this variation of the Golden Rule: "Do not flame others in a way you would not want to be flamed."

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Zook (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.

Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?

If yes, why are you the first to betray it?



ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.

I can copy my own post. Just like you can copy (and forward, and download) any PM that you write.

I cannot copy your post. And you cannot copy my PM.

[sleepy]

Mr. Ryan,

Thank you for your heartfelt post and for all that you do. If you find yourself in Colorado you also have a place to hang your hat.

Peace,
sleepy

[SteveX]

Posted by Shairia (here)

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of the reaction of Celine and her posts and ulimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged...Intellectually or otherwise.

I've no love for Richard or Celine, honestly my attempts to get to know them failed, but this is really LOW!!!!! Can't you make your points without insulting someone?

You see that as an insult? I don't. It's a comment but OK let me put it slightly differently

For me there has been a problem in this forum, where free speach is concered, because of Celine's reaction... her posts and ultimutly her husbands reactions / mod powers, when she's challenged.

Any better?

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by sleepy (here)
Mr. Ryan,

Thank you for your heartfelt post and for all that you do. If you find yourself in Colorado you also have a place to hang your hat.

And if sleepy is not home, you can drive down to my place. No more sleeping in the cold car!

[Shairia]

SteveX,

The only part of your post that bothered me was the "Intellectually or otherwise" portion, it was unfair to anyone. I feel that we've witnessed enough elitism, don't you?

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow Bill,

thank you for taking the time to lay all of that out, there should be no more questions...

you've always been the Heart and Scroll of Avalon...

[Omni]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by slvrfx (here)
Celine knew that if she put it out there, in the open, the comments she made about Bill not keeping his word with her, and how he's a different person in the public then he is in private, and how the mods have been putting up with a lot behind the scenes, that she was opening herself up to criticism and ridicule, but also calling upon herself the wrath of Bill. And yet she forged ahead.

Richard, the man who always represented to me the epitome of calmness, loses his professionalism with the one thing that I, frankly, was shocked to see him do, and with very little provocation...he cursed and banished a member who was provoking his wife.

And Bill...usually cool, calm, and collected, the master of balance, keeping the peace, giving all but the most hardened violators the boot...he, banishes Richard who has volunteered way beyond what any normal person would do, giving his best to running Avalon in a professional way, for how many years?

I don't know about anybody else, but this just doesn't make any sense to me, and that's why I couldn't even figure out how I felt about this.

Confused to say the least.

Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.

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Dear Friends:

Some questions need to be answered, and I'll answer them as best as I can. I'm quite tired (I have not slept last night at all) but I'll give it my best right here.

---*** mod-edit: some quoted material trimmed (shorter is easier to read) ***---

*** I will answer any and all questions. ***

I'm speechless Bill. Well not anymore.... But was... Thank you so much for providing this much needed clarification. I take back my comment about wanting Richard and Celine to stay, it was in a way ignorant of me to say such without knowing the full story. This is beyond repair and would likely deteorate the forum to have anything close to this continually going on, and it is crystal clear where the origin of the problem is..

I sincerely love how you defend the underdog. I have been the same for quite some time. Such is a trait of a truly(trying not to say enlightened) benevolent individual that shows distinct signs of respectable qualities. I have nothing but respect for you Bill and I really mean that in a deep way. And I am not sucking up in the slightest. I'm being fully open with my views, as I often am. Injustice has always bothered me, and it very much seems like, I venture to say is reality, that you have been subjected to injustice in the actions of Richard and Celine.

On a side note, I do not like how Richard said:

We are moving on to another forum as are many of you.

Many of us?? What, like 15 people maybe?

This contradicts his later statement of:

I love this community and wont do anything to harm it

Saying "many" people are leaving I felt a distinct punch in the gut to this forum aimed at getting more members to split. I haven't been here long but my loyalty to Bill and this site has grown 10 fold since I came here. The quoted post by you Bill has shown me without a shadow of a doubt you are a great man and deserve every ounce of respect you get from people. Some of it could be chalked up as ego(By the people catering to their insidious reality), but I know full well when speaking the truth about yourself it is not necessarily an act of ego if you are speaking positively of your own character and actions.

You have my sympathy to the fullest Bill. And again, if there is anything I can do for you, let me know*(even if it's pay for a hotel for you to sleep at if you are still in that situation again for a night, i am rather poor but I could handle that so send me a PM if you are in that situation again please).

*Except being a mod. Not that I think you would do such a thing to someone who new here, let alone is open about being mind controlled by the very forces that want Avalon to fail at times. Not that I think it would manifest problems if I was a mod. But that is about the only thing I can think of that I would respectfully decline within the realm of anywhere near possible for me to do for you. I want to see you happy and stress free, you deserve it.

[SKAWF]

actually, i can see what you say about bloodlines.....
at the front page there was a screenshot of the rullers of the world video,
and your face bare's more than a striking resemblence to the queen.
and my mum.

scary sh*t.

i like that kinda take charge of your thing mentality.
i was suprised that with you being the founder,
there was ever any restriction on your access at all.

where GW was concerned...
the alarm bell for me was early on.
it was the reaction she displayed when she didnt get lots of thanks for one of her posts.
her opening posts had got lots of thanks, when she didnt get many she reated badly to it
and became defensive from then on.
that and the fact she is the kind of woman i would run out of a room to avoid.

King Aurthur.
well thats as near as we've had to an actual plan.
i like it.
i've heard worse.
will there be a sword in a stone?

[Omni]

I just wrote out a heartfelt reply to Bill. I was sent to a page saying richard is not recieving PMs... This angers me quite a lot and I am not easily angered........

edit nvm, it appears the post was posted. Very fishy though. It was an odd page saying richard is not recieving Pms or something... Wish I got a screenshot..