An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Maria Stade]

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)

Posted by Arc (here)
Group Hug??

Group Hug! Oh, come on over here ~ yes, I talking to you, you, you! xoxox

Yeaaaaa !!

[Shairia]

I didn't mean it to sound like Celine was thick but reading back I get what you thought. That was my error. I was refering to her being topically challenged in general. err let me clarify that even further. Answering to her posts in general. If it didn't side with her...sort of thing. Not intelectually...you get me...right?

Steve...lmao...I think you'd better quit while your ahead. Yeah I think I understand now but I'm glad you cleared that up. We've all been there trust me.

[DianeKJ]

Posted by James Cook (here)
Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. >

LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di

[Lifesong]

Let's Dance!

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...173#post163173

[Janos]

In my previous post, Bill stated that “What you wrote was not accurate, well-informed, or fair...”

I will admit that it is entirely possible that it was not accurate. How could it be, when we do not have the full picture, and when it comes down to two sides who both believe they are correct.

I will also admit that it was not well-informed. After all, we are on the outside looking in, and trying to discern truth from the little drops of crumbs that we are given.

I will even admit that it may have not been fair. We all like to be 'fair', right?

Let's be fair.

Let's hear all sides of this story. As I said, shine a light in, shake the bag a bit, and see what falls out.

The truth will discern itself in the process. Do not fear the light, for the righteous have nothing to fear from it

Here's the other side of the story:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ds-perspective

[Zook]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Zook (here)
Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law.

You are implying, Zook, that Bill was being dishonorable by violating the spirit of the law.

I object to that implication.

Bill was faithfully honoring the spirit of our agreement, as he understood and as at least one other, myself, understood it.

That you hold a different understanding does not justify casting dispersions on Bill.

(By the way, Zook, have you taken careful note of anything you might have said in that forum, to insure you never say the same thing again elsewhere? Did you carefully refuse to state anything, even the public and obvious, in that forum, out of concern doing so would forever deprive you of the right to utter such a thought or such words elsewhere again? ... I didn't think so.)

Paul,

I'm not a deceiver. So I don't need to worry about what I say ... so why would I take notes? Btw, it's curious that you would talk about aspersions yet make one up yourself , right here, in this very post of yours.



ps: It's not becoming of the Paul I used to know ... only yesterday.

[James Cook]

Posted by DianeKJ (here)

Posted by James Cook (here)
Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. >

LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di

Well, I don't know about a new laptop but if the chance arises I will buy you a new beverage, Diane. >

[DianeKJ]

Posted by James Cook (here)

Posted by DianeKJ (here)

Posted by James Cook (here)
Bill, your god damned board is such a pain in my ass. I can't tell ya.
I don't have time to be indulging my idle curiosity. Yet, every time I think I'll just check in, quickly, and see if I can catch something that will help me better understand, and therefor contribute to the mission and purpose of the forum, which 'I believe' is important, useful, and sincere, I find myself stuck for hours. It is an interesting place.
I think I'm warming up to it. >

LMAO! Dear Sir, I believe you owe me a new laptop. As I read your post I was laughing so hard, so unexpectedly that I spit a beverage all over my keyboard. Thank you!
-Di

Well, I don't know about a new laptop but if the chance arises I will buy you a new beverage, Diane. >

Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please!

[Mike]

Bill,

thanks for the great post. it seems to me that sometimes one must step out of character a bit to explain one's character to others. in other words, i know you're not one to toot your own horn unneccesarily, but it was refreshing to hear you speak so candidly about your attributes and your dedicated role as Avalon's founder.

upstate new york: add me to the list of potential sleeping destinations should you find yourself in the area.


best,
Mike

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please!

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment!

[Zook]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Zook, he didn't have a choice...
what good is a sanctum without Avalon?
you been fishing lately?

Rocky,

Is there a point you are trying to make here? I see no content in the above.

[Carmody]

Posted by granny (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.

Carmody ...
Please explain ... it is getting late for me ... was trying to have open mind ... but you know what happened ... yep ... brain fell out.

The pressure is not freaking me out. it did, at first. Then i just accepted it. I'm failing to indicate that it is I alone that have received at least one personally (seeming) directed chemtrail. right over my house.

right at dusk, when the air in the area is still. I just happened to be coming home at the time and saw it --as it was getting dark. I had a friend call and then told them.

He didn't believe me so I said, 'Get in your car and come over. See for yourself.'

He saw them. He saw that they slowly dispersed over the house (I am on the edge of a city, in the woods), and were very low. Definitely particulate and not some contrail. Obviously a chemtrail.

You can then understand that... things are afoot, when that sort of event happens.

Happened on Feb. 9th, about 7:40pm est. (that I saw it)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS, I have stated that I precog the odd time. I precog things I'm directly involved in.

I precoged this entire (feel and action, not specifics) situation back in 1998-1999 or so, while in trance/meditation. (beginning of the mayan 8th world)

That there would be a forum..and a man would try to change the world......

I did a lateral shift through the world/dimensions/timelines....and worked my ass off to be here.

And here I am, in the thick of it.

And here we are.... days before the beginning of the 9th.

[An Cailleach]

Dear Bill

I am speechless after reading your post. I cried while reading it because I really felt your pain.

You had to bear your soul to defend your life's work and you have sky-rocketed in my estimation simply for doing that.

You truly are an amazing man. You have my support 100%, for whatever that's worth.

I admit I had nagging doubts earlier today because of the insinuations made by other members. Thankfully they were short-lived because your post cleared up everything that I needed to know.

Much love to you. I hope you sleep well tonight

Elva

Ps One other thing - when can we expect to see Charles actively back on the forum? Or is that on the cards at all?

[Icecold]

Posted by Zook (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Zook (here)
Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law.

You are implying, Zook, that Bill was being dishonorable by violating the spirit of the law.

I object to that implication.

Bill was faithfully honoring the spirit of our agreement, as he understood and as at least one other, myself, understood it.

That you hold a different understanding does not justify casting dispersions on Bill.

(By the way, Zook, have you taken careful note of anything you might have said in that forum, to insure you never say the same thing again elsewhere? Did you carefully refuse to state anything, even the public and obvious, in that forum, out of concern doing so would forever deprive you of the right to utter such a thought or such words elsewhere again? ... I didn't think so.)

Paul,

I'm not a deceiver. So I don't need to worry about what I say ... so why would I take notes? Btw, it's curious that you would talk about aspersions yet make one up yourself , right here, in this very post of yours.



ps: It's not becoming of the Paul I used to know ... only yesterday.

I'm really going to miss you and your contributions on the 911 thread.

Take care old son. Stay in the game.

Whose going to take care of the two spooks now?

[jjl]

Posted by Mystique (here)
I am trying to recap what, I think, happened here.


There are a multitude of issues, and if we lay them out on this screen, maybe we can then give them some space to breathe.

Once laid out, then we can see what is our business and responsibility to solve as a community, and what is personal and should be left for the parties themselves to resolve - or not - between them.

So, What are the issues? There seems to many - correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to rely on memory here:

Gypsy Woman (GW) came on the scene presenting herself as new to forums. Some of think she misrepresented herself as a "newbie". Some think she is a plant, some think she is a victim, some think she is unstable and a provocateur, and some think she is dramatic but harmless.

Gypsy Woman (GW) was banned for an outburst against Spirit Wolf. Spirit Wolf was either targeted by GW or he targeted her.

GW went to Bill after being banned, and Bill vouched for her return saying she will come back with a vengeance. (Wielding a saber or something)

Celine feels that Bill divulged a confidence to Gypsy Woman that was then used against her? I think it had to do with the term, "bi-polar". Am I right on that?

Celine felt undermined by Bill's decision to back GW, and felt disrespected by it.

GW came back and started a rant thread. During this time she posted a picture of gun - which was removed by Mod. She had sent 14 members a PM that criticized Bill, Richard and Celine. IceCold said she directed a murderous vid directed at him, and accused him of threatening her and her son. Celine and her went back and forth with attacks. The thread was merged with another thread by Richard.

GW started another rant thread for Emma, and it was closed. GW was banned again for the PM's and threats?

Celine started the Worm Tongue thread because of the above and the stress and constraints put on Richard and other behind the scene issues she could not divulge - including a broken promise she said she had with Bill.

LeeB joined the thread calling himself a "guest," and some say he stirred up stuff with Celine. Richard stepped in to defend her and "snapped" making threatening remarks, and banned LeeB. Some say he made good points, some say he didn't deserve being attacked, some say he attacked Richard's wife and deserved what he got - out of honor.

Then there is the issue about PMs and whether Mods: can or cannot read them, whether they did or did not, whether they should or should not, and under what circumstances - if any.

What have I missed or gotten wrong?

Lee was demoted to guest after he was banned, when he was posting he was a real member, the second he was banned, the posting staus changed to "guest" by the fact he was banne. Guests can't post here

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please!

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment!

.......Ok?

[Icecold]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please!

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment!

.......Ok?

Watch yourself Jorr,


Ahk is the reincarnation of Matthew Hopkins, the Witch-Finder General of Essex.

He may order the inquisition to set up some stakes in Avalon's courtyard.

[sandy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lifesong (here)
Bill, will you be allowing back "GypsyWoman"?

I'll answer that question indirectly. One of the things I would like to know as a fact (one way or another) is whether or not Gypsy Woman was going nuts with justified rage and indignation because she knew for sure that her PMs were being read in the name of 'investigation'.

Who Bill this just gets my goat!!!!

What is with you!!! It seems to me that you prefer to rescue and or protect those who have played a major role in the disintegration of this community. IMHO this includes GW and Charles/Atticus/BMW or wtf his real name is. As the CEO of this organization, you are the leader whether you like it or not and as the leader you have a responsibility to step up to the plate in many ways.

Honesty, transparency, humility, and genuine integrity is what is called for now. Stop with the nicety and call a spade a spade for once. What the heck is going on and where are you leading this community. YOUR the Leader so stop hiding behind umpires and stand up to the plate. You need to hit a home run with the truth about the games that are being played here and once all the cards are on the table people including my self can choose to fold or stay. I'm to old to be played with and won't allow it much longer.

And if you have a need to be a rescuer/hero and or protector then you might want to consider how long you have known GW and Charles/Atticus/BMW or wtf his name is, what benefit they have brought to you and or Avalon versus Richard and Celine.

I'm pissed at feeling played with and I don't like it so please get off the pot or s*&T.

I will keep my signature as this confrontation may be done in harsh words but it is done for the sake of

[thunder24]

The walls were breached, a battle insued, yet The Group still stands. Internal fighting can be soothing for the soul. Look aat the bright side, er body got a chance to see colors of people you might not thought were there. Reexamine yourselves in the mirror . Now everybody...on to the next, lets get on to the next one. Which one? the damn stair in the stair case going up!

[Sync]

Recent dissentions skew toward proof of the very stereotypes that are held for humanity by hidden hands.

The stereotypes are false yet deeply rooted.

Avalonian micro aggressions mirror the macro; they oscillate, reciprocate.

Standing waves serving as undergirding to ego and stagnation.

So many are watching.

Be mindful of the staining litmus.

We, of humanity, are capable of so much more.

Breath.

Remember who you are.

Think.

Was the dangled carrot poisoned?

Will we transcend and self-organize?

He who has not the spirit of this age, has all the misery of it.
-Voltaire