Lilith

[Delight]

On a podcast I listened to on the channel Confessionals, a gentleman being interviewed has been plagued from the time he was very young by an entity that he now knows is Lilith. Recently, he has been seeking deliverance form this entity. As he was talking about the characteristics, it was an ugly picture of degraded feminine form but also a creature like an insect with proboscus which sucked energy from him. He encounters Lilith in dreams and waking experiences. There is such grief evident in his interaction with this "force" because his life has been very harsh. During the interview, they showed an episode previous in which Lilith overshadowed the guest and expressed murderous rage to the host.

I am thinking alot about Lilith tonight. I have not looked into the story more. My understanding of Lilith is that she is the Queen of demons. She is like hatred itself which seeks utter destruction. The vague memory of the bible is that she was created as Adam's wife but was not suitable. Somehow she was cast out. Even the first time I heard this story, I felt pain FOR Lilith. I think I began to sort of FEEL as a female like Lilith. I never studied the archetype but somehow can relate to a being who has been betrayed and seeks vengence.

Everyone talks about Satan but no one talks about Lilith. Energetically, we contend with Her. My suspicion is that the qualities in Lilith are seeking our destruction because of her energy of betrayal/hatred/vengence. No one thinks much about why we have such an EVIL feminine force?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n1EKccz4fS0

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6hEGqRJ5_BA

Apparently some people have encountered a literal personification.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CwPbOTHiDj0

I am starting this thread so beginning with a post from another thread.

I have always imagined a matriarchal structure that looks beautiful to me. In fact, it seems to hold the virtues I associate with "Good" in society. In the past, matriarchal culture was overpowered. Some say it was because matriarchy became corrupted?

First of all, I absolutely have always understood the female's lot in this patriarchy is misogeny experienced deeply. I don't think it is just me. I have personal reasons to see the Evil when a child is valued only in certain circumstances. Abortion would disappear if all children were valued as human beings of worth. IMO Lilith is the spirit that hates children innately.

I was loving my identification with feminism in the 70's as the seeking to free people from the equation of social ideas of gender. To me sex and a person's ability to do things were ossified. I saw feminism freeing both male and female to be more than role equations. I loved that vision then and now.

If you think about it, maybe the spirit of Lilith possessed us along the way so we have been acting out...

The Feminist Lilith
The traditional depiction of Lilith from ancient Mesopotamia through medieval Kabbalah presents an antitype of desired human sexuality and family life. Lilith not only embodies people’s fears of how attraction to others can ruin their marriages, or of how risky childbearing and raising children are, but also represents a woman whom society cannot control—a woman who determines her own sexual partners, who is wild and unkempt, and who does not have the natural consequences of sexual activity, children.

The contemporary feminist movement found an inspiration in this image of Lilith as the uncontrollable woman and decisively changed the image of Lilith from demon to powerful woman. In 1972 Lilly Rivlin published an article on Lilith for the feminist magazine Ms., with the aim of recovering her for contemporary women. The Jewish feminist magazine Lilith, founded in the fall of 1976, took her name because the editors were inspired by Lilith’s fight for equality with Adam. An article in the introductory issue spelled out Lilith’s appeal and rejected the understanding of her as a demon. Since then, interest in Lilith has only grown among Jewish feminists, neo-pagans, listeners to contemporary music by women (highlighted in the Lilith Fair), poets, and other writers. A useful recent book collecting many articles and poems on Lilith, with specific focus on her importance for Jewish women, is Whose Lilith? (1998). As Lilly Rivlin writes in her “Afterword,” “In the late twentieth century, self-sufficient women, inspired by the women’s movement, have adopted the Lilith myth as their own. They have transformed her into a female symbol for autonomy, sexual choice, and control of one’s own destiny.”

There is and WAS a need for overturning misogeny. There is a need to allow people to authentically express their unique gifts. There is also the need to bear and care for children, create a home, be self sufficient through homely duties. The issue is how vulnerable women are without intrinsic rights. When she is not able to have financial independence, she is often subject to others.

Personally if I feel there, I have ALWAYS been ANGRY that women are IMO treated as second class but did not recognize the funneling that could not change anything. I have never had an unbridled rage to express either....but Lilith DOES.

IMO The means to express real needs have been weaponized against us. Lilith will rage in our frustration.

For all my life, I was seeking the TRUTH but in the world of Lies. The REAL desire to follow my destiny was real. It makes one so MAD, you could just blow it all up. IMO this is all of us here who have been obscessed by archetypal energy. It is overshadowing.

IMO in feminism was a huge distortion. It was not about fully FEELING oneself as a man or woman and deeply seeking to be one's full expresion. Traits of gender have been DEFINED by the very system that we wanted to liberate the sexes.
This triggered me to feel Lilith IN ME. Yes, this archetype has been in my psyche. At one time, my observer self/ego was cynical. I only acted this out once that I recall.

Because I felt betrayed by the first man I had thought LOVED me (maybe narcissistic?), I sought revenge. I did not care about anything except paying back my hurt. The situation was so clearly Lilith working.

My boyfriend let me sense that he had been with another woman. Scent carries information. I had idealized our union as a sacred thing. He had gone back to another person. I felt rage. It is a strategy to dull pain to go to anger. Rage is even more a trigger of all other betrayal.

So, I deliberately used his best friend to try to make him jealous. This man had good intentions. I hurt him casually and willfully. I was pleased to be mean and heartless.

Then he died. He overdosed accidentally? on insulin. As a type 1 diabetic, he always took insulin.

I think I was in a MYTHIC situation then. I felt his dying and when it was confirmed, I broke down. Several weeks later, I am certain an apparition of Marty was on my door step. I ran away from the window but felt the presence burn into my psyche. The apparition gave me the feeling he was there to check on me. He emanated good as always. I was so GUILTY of cruel intent. He was haunting me.

Lilith rages against innocents because the myth is that she was AS clay as Adam so equal but "God" insisted she submit to Adam. This is a core wound to be unequally valued. If she "chose" to go to the demonic, it was to ME, almost necessary in a way. One wishes to an even bigger bad ass to avoid humilaition.

I feel into how one would repudiate WHO/what has thwarted one's dignity as a being. So, the archytype I am feeling into is where the feminine force is cornered and suppressed and develops an inversion such that the energy flows in the WRONG channels. The inversion of LIFE as DEATH is kind of REACTION on the archetypal level. It is overwhelming to acknowledge the deep hurt of being a NOTHING. It is the kind of existential hurt that is threatened survival.

Lilith is an inversion of the Divine feminine?

It is deeply personal to want to MURDER and it makes sense to me that the neglect of the TRUE FEMININE gift and force has made it involute to a hard and compressed energy. This energy is exploding in the psyche.

It is LILITH who seeks REVENGE on the patriarchy. This is the impulse in us that things are not as they should be. Where to find a blame to confront? THEN LILITH ENTERS>

Lilith was rejected as not Valuable. God and man betrayed her. She can hate God but can't Get him. Adam is no longer the issue, it is mankind. if she cannot punish Adam, she will punish all his kin.

I can understand. I have felt the rage. It is indiscriminant and hits the closest "object" as she cannot reach the source.

What I am working on is loving Lilith Here is a story. Lilith is the "soul" of womankind as archetype of feminine but she has INVERTED. I want to honor her who is the TRUE woman who was inverted. However, I see a REDEEMED Lilith.

Lilith wants to stop her rampage.

I cannot help but think she is operating within our fields so we will face how we have never forgiven how deeply we have been maimed by those we love. Forgiveness transmutes energy. I will give my Lilith to be healed.

What will She look like when healed? Beautiful and whole feminine energy with free will. Experiencing her self Being Beloved.

I am feeling Lilith in what I see in the collective of Minions in which I was raised. We are all so hurt and have HUGE emotional callouses that we build. NOT feeling our own pain allows us all to do terrible things without feeling the other one's pain. Never able to address the source of our damage, We believe (subconsciously) we can have justice through revenge on "anyone we can" reach. So, I will have compassion for this mistake.

FYI here is a tangential video which speaks to me of a force that has wrecked us through time. I imagine the Egregore of Feminine dissing in HER. She grows because she is constantly dissed? Remember, I declare civilization's misogeny is at the root of our suffering. Is it possible Lilith has at least been ignored to our detriment?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1dEwxw4rRqk

[Delight]

Deep dark Mama Universe energy that is inside all of us

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WdNJ7goHlOQ

[Lunesoleil]

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[shaberon]

Posted by Delight (here)
Lilith is an inversion of the Divine feminine?

Perhaps if you follow the Talmud.

It has only one attestation in the Old Testament, where it is a Night Bird:


Judit M. Blair wrote a thesis on the relation of the Akkadian word lilu, or its cognates, to the Hebrew word lilith in Isaiah 34:14, which is thought to be a night bird.



Now, watch this.

There is the Valentinian Gnostic Inversion of the Holy Spirit called Sophia Achamoth:


In the book Pistis Sophia we have the romance of the sufferings of this Achamoth -- i.e., of this Sophia excluded from the divinity -- written in detail, with full account of its penitential hymns and lamentations.



That's a footnote. If you look at the Valentinus page, you are going to get something a little different from Basilides, the Ophites, the Simonians, all of these "gnostics" use their own unique doctrine of Emanations. In some cases, the terms are similar, but, it would take a year to study them all. However, Pistis Sophia is a rather large, thirty pages or so, intact work. For this reason it makes a better reference. In this terminology, Sophia is the Holy Spirit, or Pneuma, on its own plane, whereas Sophia Achamoth is her daughter in astral light or hellfire, and the process of Redemption means something like the Savior within "marries" Sophia Achamoth, and restores all to divine harmony.


Now let's see if this is not the same as Mandean Lilith:

The so called Mandaean Gnosis teaches about a figure called Lilith-Zahriel, who contrary to all other known myths about Lilith, is not a child-stealing demon but helps a pregnant woman and is concerned with the child’s well-being.


Zahriel is the daughter of Qin, sister of Ruha, and mother of Ptahil. According to Book 5 of the Right Ginza, during Hibil Ziwa's descent to the World of Darkness (alma d-hšuka) or underworld, he marries Zahreil, who then gives birth to the creator of the material universe, Ptahil.



It may not be *identical to*, but it is quite resemblent to, Sophia Achamoth.

Unlike those other things, Mandeanism is continuously practiced since time immemorial.


Well, those things are all written from the view of Creation and Eternity, whereas what I know is far more Immanent. And so we do have curiously enough something to compare to classical Greece:


The iconography of Hārītī shows similarities to the Greek goddess Tyche and may have been transmitted to East Asia through the influence of Greco-Buddhism. In Greek art, Tyche was depicted in the presence of children, carrying a cornucopia (horn of plenty), an emblematic gubernaculum (ship's rudder), and the wheel of fortune; she may stand on the wheel, presiding over the entire circle of fate.


Hārītī was originally a rākṣasī of Rajgir at the same time that Gautama Buddha also lived there. She had hundreds of children of her own, whom she loved and doted upon, but to feed them, she abducted and killed the children of others. The bereaved mothers of her victims pleaded to the Buddha to save them. So, the Buddha stole the youngest of her sons, Piṅgala (in a variant version, the youngest daughter), and hid him under his rice bowl. After having desperately searched for her missing son throughout the universe, Hārītī finally appealed to the Buddha for help.

The Buddha pointed out that she was suffering because she lost one of hundreds of children, and asked if she could imagine the suffering of parents whose only child had been devoured. She replied contritely that their suffering must be many times greater than hers. She then vowed to protect all children, and in lieu of children's flesh, she would henceforth only eat pomegranates. Henceforth Hārītī became the protector of children and women in childbirth. In exchange, the Buddha gave her bodhi, which enabled her to withstand black magic and evil powers, and gave her the facility to cure the sick.












Her and her kind are related to the citta vrittis:


continuous course of thoughts (opposed to concentration)


So, if we think about it, a "vritti" is also a "whirlpool". And you can feel this. You know if you start feeling fear or anger then you physically start feeling some kind of spinning suction where these emotions fly out of your brain through your body. Sensibly enough, the only cure is to calm and reverse them. They're part of us. The only question is how they are working. Peace is one way, insanity and death is the other. Same thing, that has only two options, up or down.


This is Tibet:

The mamo is known for causing havoc with a roll of her magical dice, creating pestilence and warfare.” Mamos are said to inhabit the charnel grounds, appear with a variety of leaders, and are illustrated as ugly demonesses, “black with emaciated breasts and matted hair… armed with sacks full of diseases, magic notched sticks, black snares, and magic balls of thread.” Although being primarily evil worldly spirits, there can however be enlightened ones among them, such as Ekadzati (i.e. a mamo of wisdom).

The mamos become “enraged when people lose touch with their own intelligence, and therefore with reality. They are associated with the karmic consequences of degraded personal or societal actions. Their enraged response might be in proportion to the karma accumulated, but it could also be unpredictable and completely out of proportion. Similarly, we know that there have been many cases where small provocations have produced great wars. Once enraged, mamos tend to cause large-scale problems: fighting and civil discord, famines, plagues, and environmental calamities. In the mamo chant, it says that they incite cosmic warfare.”

The mamos and other malevolent spirits were tamed or at least partially tamed by Guru Rinpoche. In many cases Guru Rinpoche subdued the leader of a certain kind of spirit. The spirit leader thus enacts his rule over the other subordinate spirits and thus they are controlled and prevented from harming others. Thus, Guru Rinpoche established dominion over the spirit world.

The cultural nation of Tibet is this subduing.

It is the same as what Buddha was doing in Pakistan which is why there is Hariti.

This is the basis for Cemetery Yoga:

By suggesting this is “symbolic teaching” I don’t mean it is not real. On the contrary, what “Vetali” actually refers to, may be much more real and pervasive than our projections of some little protective deity we have with us. Perhaps to say that she is an “entity” limits too much the scope of what Vetali “means.” “Entity” is the language of solidified ego-projection, and no doubt such ego-projection does not see a force like this as it truly is.

So, "wife of Adam" is a medieval Talmudic doctrine; and while it is correct to say we have "angry evil female spirits" in our "symbolism", I assure you that is because they can be Pacified.

If not, then, yes, also correct they will eat one's mind like someone who "reads the Necronomicon".

Mosuo around Yunnan--Sichuan China, is a partially-Buddhist matrilineal culture in the Himalayas, which is rather interesting.

Here is a Hariti song from Nepal, where we discover they come up with some really weird music:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=imcM_1_Waws

"Jagata janani" calls her "mother of the world", which makes no sense in terms of any Creation myth, but, it is meaningful, if seen as a leader on a Noumenal path, that is, what our minds experience right now in this very lifetime.

[Lunesoleil]

Lilith is also an asteroid its code 1181 currently in the last degrees of Scorpio
you want to see where Lilith the asteroid was in your birth sky, it's Here

Simply enter the month and year of your birth, the one recorded is August 2024

[Rawhide68]

Hello everyone

I get feeling that the subject matter is the female side of Lucifer.

Yin/ Yan

But I'm just speculating

[Lunesoleil]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iteLMHeNDec

[Michel Leclerc]

An approach from historical linguistics (Nostratology) and (a little) comparative mythology (with a few blaspheming surprises)


Lilith is, linguistically speaking, "Night". L-Y-L plus the feminine ending which elsewhere is -ah (or -at when another vowel follows, as in a construct state). Pan-Semitic. In the Assyrian Dictionary from Chicago’s volume for L, you can find at page 184 līlâtu with as variant līliātu, defined as (1) evening, night, (2) (name of a month in Mari). The second definition being just a Mari specification of “a night month” (the month with the longest night). Both are obviously the construct forms. The “bare” form is, oddly, taken up a few lines earlier as “līla, night; “WSem. word” (West-Semitic word; that would then be “Hebrew” etc.).

Night, unambiguouly. The surprising thing however, is the “second i” after the “second l”. Obviously the Semitic radical L-Y-L (consonant-semivowel-cosonant) corresponds to the consonant-full vowel-consonant pattern in “Assyrian” (Akkadian, Babylonian) līl with long “i”. But this second “i”, which is semivowel-like in Assyrian līliātu, and a full vowel in “Lilith” (so full-vowel-like that it bends the -ah/-at feminine ending to -ih/-it(h), leads us onto another track.

In the latter forms, there seems to be a L-Y-L-Y pattern at work, and that only confirms what was our hunch when just observing the Semitic radical: it is a “reduplication”; meaning: it consists of a doubling of L-Y. The origin beyond the Semitic (up into the Nostratic, in other words) would then be L-Y.

At the Nostratic level, we can see this in fact, but also observe another interesting thing.

Dolgopolsky and his colleagues (Nostratic Dictionary, entry 1296,p.1222), reasoning back in time and up into Nostratic from Semitic, point out that, in Semitic Akkadian (=+Assyrian, see above), the word nīlu (masculine) means ‘watering, flooding’, and that in Arabic, nīl means not only the Nile of Egypt but also the “Nile” near Kyfa in Iraq as well as the Indus. (Hence any large tidal river.) From this, as well as on the basis of a form of Old Libyan Arabic preserved in a Greek inscription (lilu), they propose that the “Nile” forms (N-Y-L) are in fact what is called in linguistics a “dissimiliation” of L-Y-L. A dissimilation happens when two identical consonants are gradually felt to be too difficult to pronounce and are – out of laziness, really – “dissimilated’ (= “made unlike each other”) by replacing one of them by another similar consonant. “l” and “n” are such similar consonsants, both belonging to the dental-alveolar area of the mouth.

And the meaning of this Nostratic LīL+ any vowel would then be “water, sea”. Offshoots of this Nostratic root within the Hamito-Semitic (also called Afroasiatic) family would include the Chadic llau, “river” (notice the reduplication). (Interestingly, they also propose another dissimilation from līlu than the nīlu of Akkadian/Babylonian/Assyrian: in Indo-European, and more specifically, in Celtic, the dissimilation is done to the second “l” becoming an “r” (please note that these interchangeabiities of N, L and R are nothing exceptional in historical linguistics), leading to a hypothetical līro so that in Old Irish we have ler (genitive lir) for “sea”.) (Hesitantly, “the Dolgopolsky’s” also suggest a connection with Nostratic radical behind the word “lake” (Latin lacus), but do not really delve into it.)

What does this mean? It means that an original Nostratic LīL+ any vowel got differentiated in Old Semitic (as old as Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian itself) into:
(1) a form that was kept (L-Y-L) but a meaning that shifted (from “sea” to “dark, night”), and
(2) a form that was changed (from L-Y-L to N-Y-L) but a meaning that was kept (“large body of water”).
(This phenomenon of parallel “bidirectional” differentiations is not uncommon in linguistics, and, dare I say, in nature.)

Aha… we may be getting closer to the mystery.. Night, darkness – the dark waters of seas and big rivers..

Genesis 1:7:
“So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.”

He inserted his finger into the mouth of “primitive man” (the most easily domesticable species after the annihilation of Atlantis “Paracas-type” by the Groenland Flood), pushed it further until firmly located under the vault of man’s palate then enabled his tongue to distinguish the “l” from the “n”. “Come on, come on, back with that tongue-tip! You can already pronounce the “l” of the nightly heavens correctly, good boy, now let’s get to the “n” of the four rivers of Paradise.. you’re close Adam.. curve that tongue a little………”.

And so it happened.

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Back to serious matters. What do we find in Bomhard’s Reconstructing Proto-Nostratic?

His entry 841 (p.909), for the Nostratic radical law-h + any vocal, contains an interesting addition to the “large body of water” meaning. In Afro-Asiatic, he adduces words from Egyptian: ’wḥ evolved from Proto-Egyptian lwḥ, “to moisten, to water (plots)”, and, obviously because of the Nile’s role in it, ’wḥw, evolved from Proto-Egyptian lwḥw, “inundation”. (Notice that Egyptian is transcribed with hardly any vowels, and that the semivowel “w” could stand for an “u” sound. Notice also and on a sideline, how the initial “l” before “w” got lost, already in Old Egyptian – which is considered proof of Egyptian”s extremely rapid evolution away from its Hamito-Semitic ancestor, evolving far more rapidly, that is, than her Semitic cousins.) Further in this entry, Bomhard opens the vast store of indo-European cognates of the Egyptian words, among which I will just quote the Latin verb lavare (“to wash”) leading to lavatory, and the Germanic English lather.

This root does not figure in Dolgopolsky. If however we accept Dolgopolsky’s quite possible hypothesis of there being a reduplication in the priviously evoked Nostratic līlu, then this Proto-Egyptian lwḥw, “inundation”, probably pronounced luhu, may very well be the non-reduplicated core radical as it is, with an u sound encapsulating one “h” breath of apiration, or with a lengthened ū without “h” (lū).

We have not lost track of Lilith. She was hiding behind the corner, I realised, when I serendipitously hit upon Bomhard’s entry 839, p.906: law- without “h” or extra vowel. ‘To bend, to twist, to turn’. Among the Indo-European derivations of this Nostratic radical we find the Latin luctare, “to wrestle”, which has yielded the English “reluctant” (“counter-wrestling”), and an entire series of Germanic cognates among which the English lock (vid. James’ The Turn of the Screw).

But it is the Semitic derivatives that interest us, all derived from a Proto-Semitic (reconstructed) extension of the radical: law-ay.

In Akkadian Bomhard adduces the simple lawū, whch we can find on p. 69 of the same L volume of the Assyrian dictionary. It has as variants labū and lamū. That in itself is a sign that strong emotional connotations were attached to this verb – and when we read the definitions, they go beyond what Bomhard gives: ‘to move in a circle, to encircle, to wrap, to wrap up, to surround’.

Snake-like movements.

The Assyrian dictionary: … to form a circle for magical purposes; to besiege a city, to hem in an enemy; to throng around a person.

Nocturnal dark; murky waters; the Great Snake.

Then we read in Bomhard: Hebrew: liwyah: “wreath, garland” – and : liwyāthān; “serpent, dragon” – and, in Phoenician the verb (un-vocalised) lwy, “to writhe, to crouch”. There we are. The Leviathan. The -ān in Hebrew is a suffix; the core of the name is liwyāth, the “big wreath”.

The Leviathan is not just any snake, it is a water-snake. The great Oceanic snake that writhes as the Ocean itself, the Mega-Nile. The Ocean as it was during the Flood.

The Leviathan is the Flood.

Or the Chaos. The moment when Dark Night, Ocean and Maelstrom can no longer be distinguished.

We dialogue intelligently about the Groenland Catastrophe and its consequences. Do we only begin to fathom how the people who lived in the Ninth Millennium before our era (at the time when the Nostratic macrofamily daughter language families were quickly drifting apart) “remembered” what had happened? No contacts, no ships, no tele-anything (maybe telepathy, slightly recovering). The amnesia Graham Hancock talks about was accompanied by irrepressible nightmares associated with their ancestors’ experiences: nightmares “expressed and hidden” in myths – and words.

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l, r and n tend to be interchangeable – but also the two semivowels w and y.

In Semitic, ḥawwah (Eve, it is her name in Arabic and Hebrew)) “also” means “life”, ḥayyah (because of the interchangeability of w and y).

The Ḥ-Y-Y radical, “to live, to be (alive)” can be understood to be at work as well in the YHWH tetragrammation. Students of Semitic may object here because in the “live” radical the “hh” sound is the harsh variant, written phonetically as ḥ, as I have done (a harsh variant that does not exist in English), whereas the “English” soft “h” (phonetical h) is the one in YHWH, that is considered to be an “imperfective” verb-form of either the radical H-W-Y (to desire, to breathe heavily) or H-Y-H (to become, to occur, to exist, to be) (notice the “soft” “h”s— or, I would add, both. In the first case, YHWH means “is breathing heavilty, is desiring, is longing”, in the second case YHWH means “is becoming” or “is being’. It can be both, I think, because for any person who has just given a little thought to such matters: for the human vertebrates we are, being IS breathing, even heavily, and it IS desiring. A whole library has been written about these subjects. There is no reason to believe that a more “primitive” version of ourselves would not have made the same semantic, and philosophical, and metaphysical connections.

However, I go further. Within the context of Semitology (the study of Semitic languages), we can see that radicals containing a harsh ḥ and radicals containing a soft h have been frequently mixed up (the other consonants of the radical remaining the same) – or, we may even state that Semitic radicals contain what should be considered to be a ḥ/h, a sound (occasionally considered an “archiphoneme” (notice the “archi-”) in linguistics) either fluctuating between ḥ and h, the harsh and the soft variant, or even something “in between”. Incidentally, at present, the harsh variant in Arabic (ḥ) is pronounced harshly in the Southern Arabic peninsula, but almost indistinguishably from the soft variant (h) in Palestine and Lebanon. (And as we know, in Indo-European languages, the difference is inconsequential, whether one pronounces the h sound harshly or softly.)

That means, that, when we accept the indeterminacy or fluctuation for the older layers of Semitic, the YHWH tetragrammaton can also be considered to be an imperfective form of the Ḥ-Y-Y radical, being a YḤWḤ tetragrammaton as it were and mean “is living”.

YHWH asher YHWH: ‘I am being/becoming/living/desiring/breathing (as) (the One) who am being/becoming/living/desiring/breathing.’

Quite a tetraprogrammaton, if I may say so.

The preceding about the tetragrammaton prepares us for what follows.

We stated above that in Semitic, ḥawwah (Eve)) is not just Eve’s name but also a noun meaning “life”, ḥayyah given the interchangeability of ww and yy.

However, ḥayyah in Semitic is not just “life” but also a “living being”. An Arabic derivation of “ḥayyah” (adding the suffix-ān), ḥayyawān, means “animal”. And… in present-day Arabic, the word ḥayyah means: “serpent, snake”.

In other words, the snake is the living being – the quintessential living being – and I add: because it undulates.

A few days ago, Gunnar, my cat, was chasing an animal from the kitchen to the bathroom, all one oustretched tiled ground floor connecting with a rather “adventurous” garden. A mouse, I thought, and went to have a look. Soon enough I saw that it was, hiding behind clothes awaiting laundry in a lengthy, narrow rift between wall and floor, a black juvenile “smooth snake” (Coronella), almost a meter long, pencil-thin, shining, glittering even because of its tiny scubs, extraordinarily beautiful and undulating heavily (Gunnar kept trying to find and catch it) with phantastic, harmoneous coils. I persuaded Gunnar that we should leave it alone.

Aesculape. Life-giving, and life-taking, medicine. Nature is beautiful and soft on us, as well as brutal and deadly.

Chaos destroys kosmos; kosmos arises from chaos.

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So : Eve is the Snake itself.

After Chaos, Lilith, for Adam, “Man”, Eve: “Life” again.

Interestingly, Adam produces Eve from his own body. (Always that prodding finger of the Lord’s.)

From his rib. A polite, afternoon tea version of his male member. “I’d better do it myself this time”, he may have said, pondering about how to get a new companion.

However, if we consider that (harsh) Ḥ-Y-Y and Ḥ-W-W as well as (soft) H-Y-Y and H-W-W represent the whole spectrum of wave-like movements (snake and sea), breathing and desiring, becoming and being —

and remember, as we developed earlier, that the study of Nostratic languages shows that the Hebrew liwyāthān “serpent, dragon” or Leviathan – means “the Undulating, Writhing, One”,

and given the tendency of languages to add an additional emotional charge to a concept by reduplicating a word-root or radical, we have to conclude that Lilith and Leviathan are only the respectively reduplicated and unreduplicated variants of each other and, hence, differentiated expressions of a similar, if not identical, concept.

Lilith and Leviathan are, etymologically speaking, quasi-identical names.

Poor Adam. Barely escaped from the Big Maelstrom (Lilith) that killed the children of his seed (after all he is only the Good, Fertile Red Earth …because that is what his name means – Mary Phil Korsak, author of a fresh poetic translation of Genesis called At the Start. Genesis made new, calls him “the groundling”), he tries to enjoy reborn Nature (new greenery, new animals) and find a way to fabricate from his own Nature a new companion, but then the Living, Being, Becoming, Breathing, Desiring, Undulating One YHWH/YḤWH intervenes…

– (a little Freud here …with the tool of repression –

and there Life itself, She is, Eve – from his rib. However – die Wiederkehr der Verdrängung, Freud would say (“the return of suppression”) – the “undulating side” of Being and Life manifests itself in the shape of the tempting Snake.

“You want to become like Him?”

“Wait a second… You are… Lilith, aren’t you, Temptator? And…

Lilith… Eve, is that you? Is that you twice? Lilith, you are Eve again.. why did you come back?

And Gosh, both of you know and I know, now… that the Living, Desiring, Undulating One, in other words living Nature, and you —— are the same…

And even I, when I think of it” (Adam looks at his manhood) “have, and am, a snake in my own body, undulating its head up and rising as Nature rises from Fertile Earth…”

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Linguistically speaking, the similarity of the Ḥ/H complex with respect to the Y/W semivowel alternation we have in Eve and Life and Breath and the Snake, and the L with respect to the W we see around the Great Water and the Snake is not so surprising.

The “l”, like its companion” sound, the “r” — think of their many pronunciation variants, of their non-differentiation in Japanese, of the “retroflex r” in the languages of India, which is actually a sort of merged “r/l” — are very adaptive sounds who in themselves frequently accompany the much more clearly defined sounds produced by the lips (b, p, v, f), teeth (t, d, th, s, z) or throat (k, g, Scottish ch): “l” and “r” have been chosen quite often to represent the more continuous, or more wave-like, sounds of Nature.

And, let us not forget, historical linguistics, more precisely the study of Nostratic, shows us (see before in the paragraph referring to Bomhard) how, in Proto-Egyptian, l, w and ḥ were combined
in the word lwḥw, “inundation”.

Maybe the Flood story actually refers to the Black Lake/Sea transformation that initiated enormous migrations – and it is the Creation myth itself, right at the beginning, that refers to the Groenland meteors and its gigantic tsunamis.

A last note on semantics. How is it that “snake” and “breath” and “water” could be associated so closely and remain so in the minds of humans in order to generate enduring myths?

“The mind of primitive man”?

As a student of Claude Lévy-Strauss I do not believe that much in generalisations on “the mind of primitive man”. But what one can read throughout Levy-Strauss’ research on the myths of the native populations of South and North America is how extraordinarily inventive, poetically compelling, often amusing, proliferating and most of all “in permanent flux” the mythlogical invention of these people was/is.

So there is no doubt in my mind that the same must have been the case with the populations who survived the Great Maelstrom on this side of the Atlantic – fertilising and refertilising the potential of language again and again while civilisation was being rebuilt (or built in the first place, on the basis of fragments, stories and probably also teachings from the Visitors).

The cumulative process on the Eurasian side hardly took place in the recesses of the luxuriously expanding Amazonian jungle.

The result is that one can make beautiful walks through the Native Americans’ myths and stories and sense and see the poetic connections, whereas on this side of the Atlantic the selective collections of myths have hardened so much that the myths have become opaque and incomprehensible to the descendants of the original myth makers – hardened, that is, into pitiless theologies and ideological justifications for conquest and the whole toolrack of -cides.

Fortunately, a little linguistic archeology may help.

[Lunesoleil]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0NjTUynDmuI

Lilith in Poetry

Lilith's meeting with [Venus]

She was me and I was her
In the appearance of a rainbow
That day I flashed
And I abandoned myself
From a flawless attraction
For a flash in the pan
What an ephemeral pursuit
From distance to distance light
An optical illusion
A hypnotic lightning strike
The previous passage
I was in ecstasy
And the next in 9 years
I might be an angel….

Lilith's meeting with [Mars]

The astral link spreads slowly
For a timeless meeting
And the descent meets the movement
Oh blessed to you Lilith
To stage the ultimate path
From my pains I expatriate
I exalt my conscience and free myself
From torment understood who doesn't matter to me
Oh warrior of space who opens the wound
I watch you silent in action
Bringing the impenetrable correction into play
It was Lilith's complaint for forgiveness...

I feel Lilith in a trance
Her whole body is swinging
In this frenzy of absence
of a moment of a cosmic illusion
She abandons herself in the asylum
And my heart is torn apart
From not understanding the enigma
To you Lilith my fictional point
A sacred landmark in the universe

Who surrounds himself with so much mystery
Of worry creating the ultimate relief
Of an ethereal facade
Of imagined consciousness
Than of forgotten silence

©Lunesoleil [11/2007]

[Delight]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Delight (here)
Lilith is an inversion of the Divine feminine?

Perhaps if you follow the Talmud.

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So, "wife of Adam" is a medieval Talmudic doctrine; and while it is correct to say we have "angry evil female spirits" in our "symbolism", I assure you that is because they can be Pacified.

If not, then, yes, also correct they will eat one's mind like someone who "reads the Necronomicon".

Mosuo around Yunnan--Sichuan China, is a partially-Buddhist matrilineal culture in the Himalayas, which is rather interesting.

Here is a Hariti song from Nepal, where we discover they come up with some really weird music:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=imcM_1_Waws

"Jagata janani" calls her "mother of the world", which makes no sense in terms of any Creation myth, but, it is meaningful, if seen as a leader on a Noumenal path, that is, what our minds experience right now in this very lifetime.

The Divine feminine has many names and many forms. I want to redeem all the expressions so they become wholely IN US. This is a very lovely discussion from Egyptian scholarship.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L0ZZAsBzUvQ