WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[shaberon]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)
John Birch has been terrified of China since the 1850s

I presume you mean "since the 1950s" ?

For the actual John Birch persona and Society -- correct.


As a generic name for the attitude, one could start from a massive new volume on this subject from the U. S. Naval Institute:

These resources include much of interest to a U.S. naval historian, given the near-continuous post-1854 presence of U.S. ships and Marine Corps units in China, which reached a crescendo in the 1920s.


This involved the same "Missionary" effort that Birch was a part of.

I expect their version is a sanitized view of commercial transport, and, my comment would be restricted to the opinions of a few individuals at the time. We could say a small extremist attitude began then, which simply would have remained on most peoples' backburner, until further events and particularly Truman "normalized" it.

Because the "Chinese threat" would have been fairly obscure, I am following the logic of a Society named posthumously, and shoving the term back to before he was born. In the same way that "Nazi" really only applies to a temporary German political party, we use it to identify the same attitude in other places.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by shaberon (here)
As a generic name for the attitude, one could start from a massive new volume on this subject from the U. S. Naval Institute:

Would the following book, published February 15, 2024, by Bernard D Cole USN (Ret.), with a length of 320 pages, be the "new volume" to which you refer:

• China's Quest for Great Power: Ships, Oil, and Foreign Policy

[Tintin]

Well, nothing new to us here, but this sure works well as a kind of primer for anyone viewing who may be new to the 'party' as it were. It's not perfect factually in some parts in that the CIA and SIS had been meddling there before and during WW2, but, otherwise essentially an accurate summary. It's also highly informative as an example of a high-intellect being seemingly unable to grasp some fundamental empirically evidenced facts, or perhaps having not made the effort to avail themselves of them.

This is an X post response to Eric Weinstein from Clandestine and it's a very good response to what appears at first glance to be a somewhat naive statement imbued with a high-falutin or somewhat condescending attitude. Another example of the kind of brain-block that can accompany a certain academic mindset, or highly educated individual, who has unwillingly imprisoned their intellect? Or, maybe was intended to invite a response, a kind of fishing exercise.

The posting from Eric wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

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Eric Weinstein: "I don't understand what we are doing in Ukraine and I don't think you do either."

Clandestine: I do.

Ukraine is essentially a giant CIA base, posing as a sovereign nation.

The CIA moved into Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union, looking to take advantage of the lawless and destabilized country, using it as an offshore proxy, outside the scope of US oversight.

It began with the Nunn-Lugar Act in 1991, and then carried on into 2005, when then Senators Obama and Lugar visited Ukraine, to inspect the former Soviet bio, chemical, and nuclear facilities (pictured below), and then added Ukraine to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and began turning these former Soviet facilities into “defensive research facilities”, which opened the door for US contractors to establish their foothold in Ukraine, and set up their money laundering and racketeering operations, under the guise of “foreign aid”.

Then the CIA funded Nazi militant groups in Ukraine which led to the outbreak of civil war in 2014 in the Donbas. Amidst the chaos, the US State Department, via Victoria Nuland, leveraged the situation to install US-loyal puppets, including the infamous leaked phone call between her and fellow State Department bureaucrat Geoffrey Pyatt, about ensuring “their guy” Yatsenuik, was installed as Prime Minister. The State Department, in tandem with the CIA, covertly took control of Ukraine via Color Revolution in 2014.

Putin recognized this. He knew that the US had destabilized and taken control of Ukraine, and recognized that the US were building a proxy army on his border, by funding, training, and supplying Ukraine with weapons, and trying to bring them into NATO. This was a red line for Putin, as he has said for decades. Russia have been invaded from the West too many times before, and will not tolerate a hostile standing army and long-range missiles on their border. Just like the US didn’t like it when Russia tried to put nukes in Cuba in the 60’s, Russia doesn’t like the US trying to bring armies and weapons to Ukraine.

Essentially, Ukraine is an unofficial US territory and NATO member, and the Deep State do not want to lose out on their cash cow and strategic asset that is Ukraine, hence why they continue to send hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to protect Ukraine’s border. They are using Ukraine as a laundry mat to funnel in hundreds of billions for the war machine, and also covering up their extreme criminality in Ukraine, including crimes against humanity for bioweapon development, human trafficking, drug trafficking, etc. All the things they can’t get away with stateside, they do in Ukraine.

If the public knew the truth about the origins of US involvement in Ukraine, they would NEVER have supported sending a single penny to Ukraine. The narrative that Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022 “unprovoked”, is war propaganda to make it appear Ukraine are the righteous defenders in order to garner your support, when in reality, The US started this conflict, they are the ones who brought war to Putin’s doorstep, and the US are the ones perpetuating the war by continuing to fund and supply Ukraine.

Putin does not want to conquer all of Europe, he just wants NATO off of his border, and justice for US development of weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine, namely, gene-specific biological weapons.

The Cold War never truly ended.

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[Tintin]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Brilliant from Scott Ritter

Enjoy the performance dude

Tonight, at the invitation of Russian Ambassador Anatoly Antonov, I will attend a concert at the Russian Embassy. The concert will feature the music of Nikolai Rimsky-Korsikov, as performed by Sergei Kossenko.

....which it seems he did enjoy How could one not!

Text:

"It was a wonderful evening of Russian culture as Sergei Kosenko amazed a full house with his renditions of selections from Rimsky-Korsakov’s repertoire.

Of course, when military men gather, there are drinks and toasts as well!
Thank you Ambassador Antonov and the officers of the Russian Defense Attaché Office for a fantastic event!"

[Tintin]

There are seemingly no limits to the base depravity of certain militant factions in the "Ukrainian" (NATO) forces - I'll just leave this here

Jeez.

Russian soldier says that the Ukrainian army units staffed mostly with Georgians, Poles and French hanged 8 children in a barn in Kursk region.

Source: Lord Bebo on X

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Tintin (here)
... and it's a very good response

Yes - Clandestine provides an excellent overview of the recent, last couple of decades, corruption of the Ukraine by "Western" (especially U.S.) globalist neocon traffickers in drugs, humans, money, arms (chemical, biological, nuclear, conventional, ...), intelligence, covert operations and propaganda.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Tintin (here)
There are seemingly no limits to the base depravity of certain militant factions in the "Ukrainian" (NATO) forces - I'll just leave this here

Jeez.

Russian soldier says that the Ukrainian army units staffed mostly with Georgians, Poles and French hanged 8 children in a barn in Kursk region.

Source: Lord Bebo on X

While tales of atrocities are expected in war-time this does not mean they don't take place, since the beginnings of this trouble in Ukraine when the CIA embedded itself and fomented disruption, encouraged the Banderites, there has been a uniquely dark aspect to the Ukrainian forces, they appear to know no bounds in cruelty and savage reprisals on the Russians, I understand Putin's measured approach but sometimes I wish he would just swamp this place and bring these animals to justice, or enable their swift departure - I cannot even bring myself to picture what is happening to innocent Russian people when the NATO demons come to town. I am sure Russians are no Angels but I somehow know they would never do this to children of any nationality.

[Tintin]

A gathering of the execrables.

US and UK government administrations preparing to discuss use of missiles against Russia (and any other nefarious directions from Satan and associated demons)

White House, September 14th 2024:

“Prime Minister - have you asked permission to fire storm shadow missiles on Russia”

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Tintin - What utterly vacuous expressions on the faces of those who are calculatedly pushing the UK into the front-line of a new world war (against a vastly superior adversary, against whom we have no defence).

I confirmed what Alexander Mercouris said about British Media omitting Putin's explanation for the red line being that such missile attacks on Russia using British weapons would in fact be accomplished by British personnel - could only be accomplished by British personnel.

But I suspect that the use of missiles - with pre-programming, and remote guidance - disguises what this really means. It almost seems as if nobody feels responsible for what missiles do...

In fact, I would argue that a closely analogous situation would be for RAF aircraft with RAF pilots, to fly deep into Russia and bomb Russia.

That is - in military terms - pretty much what is being proposed here. If it was aircraft and men being used, rather than satellite/ computer guided missiles, this would clearly be an act of war. The qualitatively increased degree of provocation would be obvious, and the presumably-inevitable retaliation would seem almost certain.

But because it is all discussed at a level of devious abstraction, and covered by the outright lie that this is merely a matter of "providing Ukraine with weapons" - then here we are, perhaps hours or days away from the UK starting World War Three, and apparently oblivious of the fact - oblivious from the few thousand demon-serving dopes in Westminster and The White House, up to the tens of millions of dopes in the cities, villages and fields of the UK - who utterly refuse to think for themselves and use common sense.

[Tintin]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
@Tintin - What utterly vacuous expressions on the faces of those who are calculatedly pushing the UK into the front-line of a new world war (against a vastly superior adversary, against whom we have no defence).

I confirmed what Alexander Mercouris said about British Media omitting Putin's explanation for the red line being that such missile attacks on Russia using British weapons would in fact be accomplished by British personnel - could only be accomplished by British personnel.

But I suspect that the use of missiles - with pre-programming, and remote guidance - disguises what this really means. It almost seems as if nobody feels responsible for what missiles do...

In fact, I would argue that a closely analogous situation would be for RAF aircraft with RAF pilots, to fly deep into Russia and bomb Russia.

That is - in military terms - pretty much what is being proposed here. If it was aircraft and men being used, rather than satellite/ computer guided missiles, this would clearly be an act of war. The qualitatively increased degree of provocation would be obvious, and the presumably-inevitable retaliation would seem almost certain.

But because it is all discussed at a level of devious abstraction, and covered by the outright lie that this is merely a matter of "providing Ukraine with weapons" - then here we are, perhaps hours or days away from the UK starting World War Three, and apparently oblivious of the fact - oblivious from the few thousand demon-serving dopes in Westminster and The White House, up to the tens of millions of dopes in the cities, villages and fields of the UK - who utterly refuse to think for themselves and use common sense.

100 percent Bruce Yes, I saw the vacuity too, and some smugness, even. Heaven help us, to help ourselves; we're in deep trouble...(the vernacular would be something akin to: "We're about to get seriously f**k*d.")

Remember Bill posted this up recently, and I saved it to the Avalon archive.

This really might be how these decisions are made:

World War Three - Inside the War Room (2016 BBC Docudrama)

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1834774597453201444

[Ravenlocke]

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‼️🇺🇦🏴‍☠️Turks publish footage of Kyiv regime negotiations with Hayat Tahrir al-Sham terrorists to involve them in "operations" against Russia

▪️The Turkish newspaper Aydınlık, which had previously spread news about the Zelensky regime’s ties with the terrorist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham* (formerly Al-Qaeda* in the SAR), reported that it had received footage from negotiations in Idlib, Syria.
➖"Following Aydınlık's report, the News Center received several images of a meeting between Ukrainians and HTS members. These images were reportedly taken in Idlib in June. In fact, in its news report, Aydınlık indicated that the Ukrainians and HTS leader Heysem Omeri met in Idlib on June 18, 2024," the publication writes.
http://t.me/RVvoenkor

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1834950387930988786

[Vicus]

NATO Mr Bean troops

War games: NATO paratroopers land on Polish power lines during training exercise



Around a dozen Polish soldiers descended on a village in the country's south during a botched airborne exercise on Monday, just days after NATO praised its paratroopers as a "strategic asset."


The 2nd Reconnaissance Regiment based in Hrubieszow was conducting a "scheduled" parachute training exercise when a sudden change in wind speed and direction forced them off course, according to local media reports. As a result, at least 12 personnel landed several hundred meters from their intended target, causing damage to crops and private property in the village of Chechlo, in the province of Lesser Poland Voivodeship.

A video of the incident has surfaced on social media, showing the paratroopers attempting to navigate strong winds, but landing in various locations across the village.

One soldier fell onto a power line, while another damaged the roof of a residential building. Several others reportedly landed on crops and backyards. No serious injuries were reported except for one soldier who suffered a knee injury and was taken to a medical facility.

It is unclear if the exercise in Poland was part of the ongoing US-led Swift Response. Last week, NATO published a video touting the drill as "the largest airborne operation since the Second World War," in which multiple member states practiced their "ability to insert hundreds of soldiers behind enemy lines."

Comment: The Russians must be terrified of this crack force.

https://www.sott.net/article/494781-...ining-exercise

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1834921965301154114

[Ravenlocke]

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US idiocy is something. Putin has just warned the US that if Ukraine fires UK- and US-provided long-range missiles into Russia--something Ukraine is unable to do without US satellite targeting intelligence--he, Putin, would regard that as NATO having entered into a war against Russia.

Here is the State Department's response: The US is not "taking part in the war" because there are no "US boots on the ground." But the US is obviously taking part in the war whether there are "US boots on the ground" or not.

https://x.com/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1834958116636525003

[Ravenlocke]

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🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Russian Ministry of Defense reported a new prisoner exchange according to the formula "103 for 103". The released include Russian servicemen who were defending against the AFU offensive in the Kursk Region. The Russian soldiers are currently in the Republic of Belarus and will soon return home.

The previous prisoner exchange took place yesterday, during which 49 Russian servicemen were freed. Even then, some sources reported that this was just the first stage of a larger process of mutual prisoner transfers.

It is worth noting that the mediation in the negotiations was again provided by the United Arab Emirates, whose efforts have previously led to the release of dozens of Russian soldiers from AFU captivity.

The authorities of the so-called Ukraine have not yet commented on the situation. Yesterday, Russia released 49 of its soldiers as part of the exchange, returning the same number of AFU members to the opponent. This included representatives of the National Guard and other structures, 19 of whom were officers.
#Russia #Ukraine

https://x.com/rybar_force/status/1834950567007076440

[Ravenlocke]

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💣 The Toronto TIFF Film Festival canceled the screening of "Russians at War" after a protest by the long-haired crowd.

The film could have been one of hundreds shown at TIFF. Hundreds, maybe a thousand people would have seen it there. But thanks to the long-haired protesters, now Reuters, CBC, Global News, and many other global outlets are talking about the film.

An excellent advertising campaign for both the film and the politics of bans. And yet another proof of what freedom means in the collective West.

🗣 🇨🇦 Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, the granddaughter of a Nazi collaborator, who invited Waffen-SS "Galicia" division member Yaroslav Hunka to the Canadian Parliament during a meeting with Zelensky, has expressed concern over the screening of the documentary "Russians at War" at the Toronto International Film Festival.

"It is wrong for Canadian public funds to support the screening and production of such a film," she believes.

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1834993735043518795

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MoonofA/status/1834981172738158978

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/0...on-russia.html

Biden Admin Decides - For Now - Against Long Range Strikes On Russia

September 14, 2024

It seems that Biden administration for once decided to listen to what President Putin of Russia had to say.

Putin had warned of a war between Russia and NATO should the U.S. and its allies allow Ukraine the use the long-range weapons they donated against targets in Russia. Putin correctly asserted that these weapons can only be programmed and fired by trained personnel from the donor country.

Deciding against allowing such strikes was the right thing to do but it could unfortunately be revised on a later day:

Sir Keir Starmer was set to leave Washington on Friday night without any announcement on allowing Ukraine to fire long-range missiles into Russia. The Prime Minister held talks with Joe Biden in the White House to discuss pleas from Volodymyr Zelensky to let the country use the Storm Shadow missiles.
But John Kirby, a spokesman for the US national security council, said there would be no announcement on long-range missiles after the meeting. He did not rule out one at a later date.
Foreign Office sources had briefed against expecting the green light at the end of Starmer’s visit, but it will come as a disappointment to leave without a decision.
After the meeting, Sir Keir said the pair had come to a “strong position” but suggested a final decision on Storm Shadow had been deferred to the UN General Assembly at the end of the month.

There seems to have been a fight within the Biden administration where a hawkish part within the State Department and National Security Council had been briefing media towards a decision in favor of deep strikes while the Pentagon was strongly against any further provocation of Russia.

The generals know what Russian weapons could do to their assets should Russia decide to let someone shot back at them.

[Vicus]

Russian Forces Find Map of US Base in Captured Ukrainian Bradley - Sputnik Reporter 9 hours ago



DONETSK (Sputnik) - Russian soldiers have discovered a map of the US military base at Fort Irwin, which the US military forgot in one of its Bradley fighting vehicles that it transferred to Ukraine that was later captured in the Kupyansk area, a Sputnik correspondent reported.

Since the beginning of the conflict in Ukraine, the US has supplied Kiev with more than 300 Bradley vehicles. A significant number of them have been destroyed by the Russian forces on the battlefield in Ukraine.

Fort Irwin is one of the largest military training centers in the US located in the Mojave desert in California, where soldiers train to operate armored vehicles as part of brigades.

Sputnik has found online ads seeking Russian-speaking individuals for the Fort Irwin training center. The Check Defense company is looking for "role-play professionals," who can replicate cultural nuances and assist the US Defense Department.

Applicants must have excellent oral and written skills in both English and Russian. Roles include local authorities, national security forces, refugees and hostile combatants. The ads also invite candidates fluent in Arabic, Chinese, Dari, Korean and Pashto.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240914/ru...120145530.html

[Vicus]

Russian Forces Capture Electronic Warfare System From US Bradley Vehicle

Units of Russia’s Yug Battlegroup destroyed a US Bradley infantry fighting vehicle with its crew, using drones and captured an electronic warfare system from it, the commander of the assault group with the call sign Kucher told Sputnik.

Soldiers from Russia's 200th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade of the Leningrad Military District are carrying out combat missions as part of the Yug Battlegroup in the special military operation zone.

"Recently, during active offensive actions, our UAV crew hit a Bradley... When the opportunity arose, we inspected the vehicle for dead or wounded enemies and found and captured a much-needed and important electronic warfare system. We took it directly from the turret and took it with us," Kucher told the news agency.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240707/ru...119275460.html