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    The new Russian engine of nuclear war was successfully tested.

    The stealthy Russian fast neutron nuclear intercontinental missile Burevestnik. The missile has an unlimited range and can strike at the enemy even through Antarctica:

    1. The flight altitude — 25-100 meters, skirting the terrain. And this ability to go at low altitude makes the rocket less noticeable.

    2. The speed varies, up to Mach 19.6, depending on which version:

    ⏺️ subsonic, but still decent — 850 km/h, a low altitude variant.

    ⏺️ It is capable of carrying a nuclear planning hypersonic unit.

    ⏺️ The Petrel can be supersonic with a flight speed of up to Mach 19.6.

    3. range — unlimited.
    The fuel in the fast neutron nuclear reactor, depending on its design, is enough for a rocket for a period of six months to decades.
    That is, the "Petrel" can be in the air for an indecently long time. And also strike from any direction — unlike conventional jet intercontinental missiles.

    4. The warhead — a special nuclear one.

    5. The cost — estimated to be several million dollars, which is two orders of magnitude cheaper than nuclear ballistic missiles. So instead of one ballistic missile, hundreds of Burevestnik missiles, unnoticeable to radars, can be made. Given that there is no continuous radar field over the US border, Burevestnik has significantly changed the balance of forces in the nuclear confrontation.

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    See below Jake Sullivan's incredible admission about sending all US interceptor missiles (Patriots etc.) stockpiles to Ukraine ... underscoring the reality that HARD CHOICES are already being made about the prioritization of limited resources to a set of expanding priorities ... Primacists can live in a world of idealism (delusion) but eventually reality strikes cold and hard.

    ... In the 'Europe First' grand strategic paradigm these crucial weapons are being exhausted for a tertiary conflict where core US national interests aren't threatened ... all while our reserves for far more critical strategic theaters like the Asia Pacific run empty.

    What is more the lack of these critical weapons systems could invite China to act more aggressively in the region given that the costs of offense will be assessed as lower (i.e., less Patriots, less loss of aircraft, etc.)

    The US should "pivot" to a truly Asia First grand strategy. A Europe First one is stuck in a 1996 mindset. In sum,
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    ❗️ Ukraine's wheat reserves are unlikely to last a month — Info24

    "The country's processing plants are facing a critical shortage of food wheat. Earlier, the director of the Kyiv Bread company, Yuriy Duchenko, warned Ukrainian residents about the threat of a bread shortage," the agency reports.

    Bread factories are on the verge of shutting down due to rising flour prices and energy supply problems.

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    Ukraine - Recent Front Line Reports Point To Systemic Failures
    September 20, 2024

    Two recent piece published in Ukrainian media take a look at the situation in eastern Ukraine and describe the reasons for the crumbling of Ukraine's defense lines.
    The usually government friendly Ukrainska Pravda talked with units at the front line:
    The Pokrovsk front didn’t just crumble overnight. Since 15 February 2024, when they withdrew from Avdiivka, Ukraine’s defence forces have been retreating towards Pokrovsk – sometimes faster, sometimes slower – almost every week. The first difficulties arose when the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade, which had been holding the line in the vicinity of Orlivka and Semenivka (not far from Avdiivka), was replaced by the 68th Separate Jaeger Brigade. The rotation of military units is one of the most vulnerable defence areas in general, and for the Ukrainian army in particular, and the Russians took advantage of that.
    Rotations are a complicate business. The unit that gets relieved is supposed to wait until the replacement unit has completely arrived. Only after explaining the positions and situation to the new troops are the old ones supposed to retreat.

    In reality that rarely happens as it is described in military manuals. The troops eager to get out do not take time to brief the incoming forces. Positions are emptied before the replacements have had time to settle in. Traffic snarls ensue as the number of vehicles in an area double before returning to a normal level.

    The enemy will of course use any such situation to make it more difficult for the rotating side. Botched rotations have caused several occasion where the lines were open and allowed Russian units to break in. They may be the main cause for the Russian break through from Avdiivka towards the key supply point in Pokrovsk.


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    From those in the know:
    Vitalii, a crew member who operates a large attack drone, tells Ukrainska Pravda that he was deployed in the area in March, and that the Russian attacks started even before the 68th Brigade could take up its positions. "We met guys from the 68th who had only just taken up their positions and were forced to retreat immediately because of the FPV drone attacks. When a brigade leaves, they take all the electronic warfare equipment with them. This is typical on this front: they [the Russians] advance the most during rotations. The occupiers take advantage of those times."
    "The night we replaced the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade in Semenivka, the enemy attempted to carry out an assault operation. The meat-grinder attacks haven’t stopped since then," an Ukrainska Pravda source in the 68th Brigade confirms.
    Another big cause of losses are miscommunication between the various units that hold the lines. The results are breakthroughs and utter confusion about who holds positions and where:
    Another major turning point that marked the undoing of the Pokrovsk front was the Russians’ sudden breakthrough in Ocheretyne, a relatively large, urbanised town on the railway with industrial facilities, and therefore a particularly useful defence position. Russian occupation forces entered the town in mid-April.
    ...
    "Before the offensive, I received intelligence that the Russians were going to assault Ocheretyne, where we had no troops at the positions," the officer says. "I passed this information on to my commanders straight away, but the commander of the brigade stationed there [the 115th Separate Mechanised Brigade – ed.] responded: ‘We have forces there, they’re all there.’ Next morning the Russians started to walk into [Ocheretyne], moving through what were officially minefields – but in fact there were no mines there. After we surrendered Novobakhmutivka, Ocheretyne and Soloviovo, the front started to collapse at the rate we’re seeing now."
    "When the Russians captured Ocheretyne, there was no stable contact line as such," Vitalii the drone crew member adds. "No one knew where the front was. Soldiers in the villages of Sokil, Yevhenivka and Voskhod were walking around with guns in their hands, asking each other for passwords to figure out if they were dealing with one of us or the enemy."
    In general Russian troops are superior in experienced manpower and have more ammunition to fight:
    "The first problem on the Pokrovsk front is personnel numbers, the second is their level of training, and the third is the skills of the unit command. And then we run into the defence-related issues – tactics, measures, and so on." This, a soldier from the 47th Brigade tells Ukrainska Pravda, is the order of priority of the reasons for the Russians’ super-fast advance.
    Brigades are kept in the fight even as they are staffed to as low as 40% of their nominal strength. Replacements, if the arrive at all, are unqualified for fighting:
    "The backbone of the brigades was lost during the battles near Avdiivka, and the replenishments that arrived later left a lot to be desired," says a source from the 68th, explaining the shortage of motivated people. "The mobilisation failed. Let's be honest – each subsequent replenishment was less motivated and trained. So they could not reliably hold the defence. In Semenivka we had about 90% experienced people in the unit and 10% newcomers. Now we have about the same ratio, but the other way round. And the average age of the newcomers can even be 55+, not 45+."
    On the positive side there were a number of well prepared fortifications had been build near Pokrovsk. Unfortunately they had been build by unexperienced forces in the wrong places and were thus unusable:
    Bunkers and connected trench lines were indeed built on the Pokrovsk front – but there’s a catch. Many of these fortifications are unsuitable for serious defence. They’re frequently located in the middle of fields, which makes them visible to the enemy and difficult for the defence forces’ personnel, ammunition and supplies to reach. "When [Ukrainian MP Mariana] Bezuhla posts photos of empty trenches and asks why nobody was defending them, I know exactly why. Because it’s stupid to sit in a hole in the middle of a bare field. Sooner or later an FPV drone will fly right into your face," Vitalii tells Ukrainska Pravda angrily.
    ...
    "On the Pokrovsk front, trenches and dugouts had been made right in the middle of fields, making logistics impossible. They dug anti-tank ditches that led directly from enemy positions to our rear positions, and it’s impossible to monitor them. These fortifications help the enemy advance more than they help us defend.
    The Ukrainian public relations operation into the Russian Kursk oblast did not achieve its hoped for effect. Pressure on the Ukrainian front in the east was not relieved:
    Another figure – the official number of combat encounters reported by Ukraine’s General Staff – confirms that Russian infantry attacks on the Pokrovsk front have continued, and have in fact slightly intensified. We analysed the number of combat clashes on the Pokrovsk front before and after the Kursk operation began and found that it had increased significantly – on average from 40 to 52 per day.
    ...
    Nor, unfortunately, has the opening up of the Kursk front decreased the amount of artillery attacks and guided aerial bomb strikes on the front line as a whole. On the contrary, their number, just like the combat clashes, has slightly increased. There are an average of 4,500 to 4,600 artillery attacks per day, with the number of guided aerial bomb strikes ranging from 97 to 105.
    A second report on the war in the Pokrovsk direction, this one by Kyiv Independent, comes to similar conclusions:
    Since the first break through of Ukrainian defense lines in April near the village of Ocheretyne, Russian forces have advanced over 20 kilometers towards Pokrovsk, with the key logistics hub once considered to be deep in the rear, now gradually coming in range of Russian artillery and suicide drones. Despite Kyiv’s attempts to draw away Russian forces from Pokrovsk with the surprise incursion into Kursk Oblast, Moscow made sure not to take its foot off the pedal, further intensifying its attacks over August.
    Thin defense lines and a lack of supplies make losses inevitable:
    The infantrymen’s stories testify to the starkly attritional nature of the fight: although Russia’s relentless infantry assaults come at a high cost, with enough time and enough fire covering the defending positions, the defenders are inevitably overwhelmed. “We can be fighting them off for a while, but eventually our ammunition runs out,” said Dmytro, 32.
    “And while they are getting resupplied constantly, we can't do the same, they cover all the routes, and because of that, we have to give up our positions.”
    The lack of higher (divisional) command leads to a breakdown in communications:
    With many different units — all in various states of combat effectiveness — deployed to the Pokrovsk front, effective communication between brigades is a crucial factor that is often lacking, soldiers from both brigades told the Kyiv Independent. One officer of the 68th, who asked not to be identified because of the nature of his comments, said that for months over summer, one of the neighboring brigades would consistently fail to report lost positions, leaving his own units vulnerable from the flank without knowing about it. “In our area, there are a lot of different units, and communication between them becomes a big problem,” said Oleksandr.
    Units do not only lack men but the lack of personnel has morale effects on those few who are still in the fight:
    “In the last two months here, to be honest, we have had serious losses. Killed, injured, and taken prisoner,” said Olena Tarishchuk, a 39-year-old lieutenant responsible for monitoring the morale and mental state of the fire support company’s personnel. “We need rest, we need rotation, we basically need support. We don't have enough manpower to carry out our orders.”
    Inevitably, extreme manpower strains, on top of the reluctance of Ukraine’s higher command to rotate exhausted units off the front line, take their toll on the infantry’s morale.
    There are two basic oddities in the Ukrainian military, reflected above, that explain some of its errors.

    The high command decided early on to use the brigades as its major autonomous fighting units. A commander of a front may have (more or less) control over a dozen of those. The more typical organization would be a division staff which controls three to four brigades. Above divisions a corp command would coordinate the movements of several of them. A front command would sit on top of several corps and direct the greater moves with a long time perspective.

    While such a traditional structure has its own problems with the additional bureaucracy layers it does coordinate much better than a lose structure of free-running brigades who do not even know the names and radio call signs of their neighbors.

    A second systemic failure in the Ukrainian army is the lack of replenishment of personnel.

    Experienced brigades are kept on the front until that have less than a third of their original strength. They are not replenishment while still in the fight. Newly mobilized men are instead put into newly constituted brigades which zero frontline experience.

    A better system would rotate out units that have lost a third of their men and fill them up with new recruits before pushing them back into the fight. The result would be the same number of soldiers but with experience mixed into all of the army's units.

    I am sure that NATO and U.S. forces have lectured the Ukrainians on both of these issues. But the Ukrainian command has a will of its own and is often resistant to critique and changes.

    It has now even dismantled its only internal unit that was still able to present an objective view of its failures (machine translation):
    The other day the People's Deputy Mariana Bezuglaya wrote a post in which she stated that the training centers "do not teach anything" and send untrained conscripts to the front line. After that, Volodymyr Zelensky said that he had heard a report on the situation in training schools at the Headquarters and stated that he was instructed to develop measures to correct the situation. By indirectly acknowledging the existence of problems.
    Bezuglaya at the same time said that the reporter at the Headquarters-Chief Inspector of the Ministry of Defense Igor Voronchenko-was dismissed after his report. According to her - by Defense Minister Umerov at the suggestion of Commander-in-Chief Syrsky.
    "Immediately after he reported at Headquarters about the catastrophic situation with training in the training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Voronchenko's frank and detailed report startled everyone and caused great anger in Syrsky. The General Inspectorate of the Ministry of Defense was the last outpost that provided at least some kind of expertise regarding what is really happening in the Armed Forces of Ukraine," Bezuglaya writes.
    The General Inspectorate's task was to point out the cause of failures. But the command insisted on destroying it instead of learning from its takes.

    A certain stubbornness can be a great asset. But the situations in wars change all the time and it is necessary to adopt to them. The Ukrainian military has too often failed to do that.
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    Oh dear


    Text: "Ukrainian air defense drone mistakes 3 cows for secret Russian spy satellite."
    That was the Russian secret new super weapon !

    Might be good idea to release hundreds of balloons that have some random metal junk like empty cans etc attached to it when wind is blowing in right direction so they would show up in radar just to keep enemy busy and let them waste ammo and resources to deal with those. Add one or two balloons with some spying capability also or some drones into a mix . Should be relatively cheap option to annoy the enemy.
    YES,and another test/experiment to detect the drones operators and then ...

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    🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Russian Defense Ministry reports on the progress of the special military operation

    14 September – 20 September 2024

    ▫️From 14 to 20 September 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have carried out 27 group strikes with precision-guided weapons and strike drones, as a result of which the following have been hit: power facilities that supported the work of enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry, airbases infrastructure, UAV depots and flight preparation areas.

    Moreover, the Russian forces engaged ammunition and logistic depots, repair bases of armament, trains transporting foreign-made armament, temporary deployment areas of the AFU, nationalists, and foreign mercenaries.

    ▫️ Over the past week, units of the Sever Group of Forces continued the operation to eliminate the AFU formations in Kursk region. In the course of offensive operations, the Sever Group of Forces liberated Uspenovka and Borki.

    Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery strikes hit manpower and materiel of three mechanized brigades, a tank brigade, two air assault brigades of the AFU, and two territorial defense brigades. Moreover, Russian troops disrupted enemy's attempts to counterattack and deploy reserves.

    ▫️In Volchansk and Liptsy direction, damage was inflicted on a motorised infantry brigade, a marine brigade, and three territorial defense brigades.

    Over the past week, the AFU losses in the area of responsibility of the Sever Group of Forces amounted to up to 3,510 troops, 18 tanks, including a Leopard tank, 117 armored fighting vehicles, 66 motor vehicles, a U.S.-made MLRS multiple launch rocket system, and 34 field artillery guns. Four electronic warfare stations were eliminated.

    ▫️Over the past week, the Zapad Group of Forces continued to advance into the enemy's defence, inflected damage on formations of six mechanized brigades, an assault brigade of the AFU, three territorial defense brigades, and the Azov Special Forces Brigade. Twenty four counter-attacks of AFU assault detachments were repelled.

    The AFU losses amounted to more than 3,745 troops, a tank, ten armored fighting vehicles, including a U.S.-made M113 armored personnel carrier, and 60 motor vehicles. In addition, 40 field artillery guns were eliminated, 19 pieces of 155 mm howitzers and self-propelled systems were provided to the AFU by Western countries, 16 electronic and counter-battery warfare stations, and 22 field ammunition depots.

    ▫️ As a result of active actions, the Yug Group of Forces liberated Zhelannoye Pervoye and Georgieyvka (Donetsk People's Republic). Russian troops engaged manpower and hardware of five mechanized brigades, a motorized infantry brigade, two infantry brigades, a mountain assault brigade, two air assault brigades, and three airmobile brigades of the AFU. In addition, 14 counter-attacks of enemy assault groups were repelled.

    The AFU losses amounted to more than 4,855 troops, a tank, two German-made Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 52 motor vehicles, and 34 field artillery guns, 17 of them manufactured by NATO countries. Four electronic and counter-battery radars as well as 11 field ammunition depots were destroyed.

    ▫️The units of the Tsentr Group of Forces improved the situation along the front line. The Russian troops inflicted fire damage on a tank brigade, six mechanized brigades, two infantry brigades, two jaeger brigades, an air assault brigade of the AFU, three territorial defense brigades, a national guard brigade, and the Lyut Brigade of the National Police of Ukraine. The Russian Armed Forces repelled 58 counter-attacks of hostile assault detachments.

    Over the past week, Ukrainian units suffered losses of up to 3,610 troops, a tank, 11 armored fighting vehicles, including a German-made Marder infantry fighting vehicle, two U.S.-made M113 armored personnel carriers, 21 motor vehicles, and 29 field artillery guns.

    Russian Defense Ministry

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    "Our NATO colleagues have begun to turn their gaze to the Arctic region, and have begun to say that the North Atlantic Alliance has interests there as well. All the bloc's talk about being a defensive alliance and only defending the territory of its member countries is "from the evil one." The Arctic is not the territory of the North Atlantic Alliance at all.

    Now it is not enough for them that, contrary to the promises they made, they have included almost all of Europe in their composition. Now the alliance is turning its gaze to the entire Asia-Pacific region, directly stating: "that is where the threats to NATO come from." A rather specific statement.

    If you look at the Eurasian continent: where is the Far East, where are the eastern seas, where is the Pacific Ocean, and where is the bloc? This desire to globalize and legitimize, to assert itself as not the North Atlantic, but the world's gendarme, is also spreading to the Arctic region.

    We We see how NATO is increasing its exercises related to possible crises in the Arctic. Our country is fully prepared to defend its interests in military, political and military-technical terms."

    NATO is waiting for Russian missiles? Russian missiles will arrive.
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    Estonia, a country the size of a Moscow neighborhood, says it is ready to launch a preemptive strike on Russia to protect NATO

    Estonian General Vahur Karus said that Estonia is ready to strike Russian territory if Moscow shows signs of preparing to attack NATO.

    "Our ability to neutralize the enemy on its own territory is critical," General Carus stressed.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    Estonia, a country the size of a Moscow neighborhood, says it is ready to launch a preemptive strike on Russia to protect NATO

    Estonian General Vahur Karus said that Estonia is ready to strike Russian territory if Moscow shows signs of preparing to attack NATO.

    "Our ability to neutralize the enemy on its own territory is critical," General Carus stressed.

    https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1836773859741126910

    I flipped through that interview and didnt find any mention about preemptive strike on Russia.
    https://news.err.ee/1609460374/edf-j...-territory-key

    I came back to Estonia 3 weeks ago after 16 years of not visiting it. I have seen more Ukrainian flags than Estonian ones while being here and how media shows the Ukraine conflict is sad and hilarious at the same time...
    But that headline i think aint true but Estonia is ruled by masonic jews so it would not be a suprise if they did try to get themselves into war with Russia so that USRAEls war machine could make more money and messianic jews would be one step closer to armageddon that they want.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    Estonia, a country the size of a Moscow neighborhood, says it is ready to launch a preemptive strike on Russia to protect NATO

    Estonian General Vahur Karus said that Estonia is ready to strike Russian territory if Moscow shows signs of preparing to attack NATO.

    "Our ability to neutralize the enemy on its own territory is critical," General Carus stressed.

    https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1836773859741126910

    I flipped through that interview and didnt find any mention about preemptive strike on Russia.
    https://news.err.ee/1609460374/edf-j...-territory-key

    I came back to Estonia 3 weeks ago after 16 years of not visiting it. I have seen more Ukrainian flags than Estonian ones while being here and how media shows the Ukraine conflict is sad and hilarious at the same time...
    But that headline i think aint true but Estonia is ruled by masonic jews so it would not be a suprise if they did try to get themselves into war with Russia so that USRAEls war machine could make more money and messianic jews would be one step closer to armageddon that they want.
    This is the article referred to in the tweet.
    https://uawire.org/estonia-signals-r...to-defend-nato

    Estonia signals readiness to preemptively strike Russia to defend NATO

    During an interview with the Estonian public broadcaster ERR, Estonian General Vahur Karus has stated that Estonia is ready to strike Russian territory if Moscow shows signs of preparing for an attack on NATO.

    "Our capability to neutralize the enemy on its own territory is crucial," General Karus emphasized, pointing to a new strategy where waiting to be attacked first is no longer an option.

    Before the full-scale war in Ukraine, Estonia's strategy was to hold off any Russian aggression for 10 days, awaiting NATO reinforcements. However, recent developments have driven significant changes in the military plans of this Baltic nation.

    General Karus highlighted the importance of allied support in the event of a conflict with Russia. NATO units are integrated into Estonia's defense plans, and the Estonian Defense Forces are seamlessly part of the broader North Atlantic alliance's military structure. According to Karus, each NATO ally has assigned weaponry and specific battle tasks ready to be deployed if an attack occurs.

    Previously, Estonia's Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur also warned about the possibility of Russian aggression against a NATO member. He referred to incidents like the fall of drone debris in Romania and the incursion of Russian missiles into Polish territory as reminders that the threat remains real.
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    "Today our long-range strike assets are fully integrated into NATO's plans, and NATO tells us that we must address specific targets within [Russian territory], thereby enabling them to come to Estonia and progress to the next steps," Estonia’s Chief of Staff of the Joint Headquarters, Major General Vahur Karus said in an interview with Estonian national broadcaster ERR.

    Karus noted that Estonia could definitely count on the immediate participation of the Western bloc’s units stationed on its soil in a potential conflict with Russia.

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    I gave a link to actual interview ,still didnt find anywhere where it says that Estonia is going to do preemptive strike against Russia.
    All i found is that he says that in case of conflict with Russia Estonia has certain targets that they must hit in Russia and wait for NATO to come and do the rest ...
    I give a link again if u missed it https://news.err.ee/1609460374/edf-j...-territory-key

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    According to my favorite source for information on the war in the Ukraine, the Military Summary Channel, the massive explostion and destruction of a major Russian military depot in the city of Toropets, Tver Oblast, Russia a couple of days ago, may have come from NATO nations, not from the Ukraine.

    Toropets is:
    240 miles west of Moscow,
    130 miles east of Latvia, and
    300 miles north of the Ukraine.
    The comment on the attack in Toropets begins at the 1:20 mark of:



    At the 1:54 mark, he says: "According to different sources, this attack was conducted from the territory of the Baltic states, which are basically already members of NATO"

    The Baltic states are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania..
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    At the 1:54 mark, he says: "According to different sources, this attack was conducted from the territory of the Baltic states, which are basically already members of NATO"

    The Baltic states are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania..
    Yes, I'd suggested the same in this post here on the 18th.

    It was a NATO attack, from non-Ukrainian territory using missiles, not just drones, and just maybe launched from F-16s, but I won't stake my life on the F-16 bit, for now.

    Other reports have also suggested that although the imagery of the strike was very dramatic, the ammo reserves would mainly have been underground and in vastly greater amounts than those that 'expired' from the hit. So, birdseed; a minor nuisance. It was in many ways a typical PR type exercise/provocation which will change nothing on the battlefield proper.

    In the meantime one may expect Russia to have already planned a comprehensive response. Expect a rainstorm of Iskanders hitting western Ukraine sometime over the weekend, and more NATO casualties.
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    I gave a link to actual interview ,still didnt find anywhere where it says that Estonia is going to do preemptive strike against Russia.
    All i found is that he says that in case of conflict with Russia Estonia has certain targets that they must hit in Russia and wait for NATO to come and do the rest ...
    I give a link again if u missed it https://news.err.ee/1609460374/edf-j...-territory-key


    This one appears to be again a headline which is unnecessary and not what is actually in the article.

    I figure it's a total loss because everything in English is a "War". A "war" is a legal condition which we may notice the Russians are largely avoidant of, calling this a Special Military Operation, similar to what the United States did in Vietnam and most of the rest of the world. Yet we will sit here and believe you could have a "War on Drugs", or a "War on Terrorism", or do anything so the words don't match what is going on.

    Estonia's not going to pre-emptively strike a tennis ball.

    They need this to make NATO sound relevant.

    Just to remind everyone, this has the easiest solution in the world. You can freely exit the organization.

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