About the fifth element,about the infinity symbols around us?

[Anyone]

I tried to forget the memory in the 2013 ,NY, flushing occurred some strange things to me.But it appeared in my mind again and again.
I was controlled by a strange power to draw these pictures around halloween that year.
I'm a protestant,though I still not figured out what happened to me that year.
Actually,my english name is carrie. One day I found my name might be. Lord maybe wanna ask me to carrie some messages to us.But it's just my illusion, I will not say it's truely from holy spirit. I remembered I kept drawing the infinity symbol in chaos.
And since 2013, i found when i back to China.More and more companies logo seems like designed according to the ∞ ， but nobody realized this arround me,even I told them about the story where I met in NY. Alson there is a rinbow hand.I guess maybe God want us to know,no matter we are yellow or white or black or no matter where we are from.
We are all His child. He loves us, God don't want us fight against each other. We should pray for the people in the wars. I think everyone here,we have time, we have enough food, we won't worry about our life might ends tomorrow. But there are still a lot of people might suffered in many areas.Maybe we could help them, keep pushing the officals to Stop THE WARS. Life is not a circle, it's two circles connected.Which means it's God's everlasting love.
Also there is a scripture'I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. (Genesis 9:13 NIV)'
'Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, (Genesis 9:14 NIV)'
'Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.” (Genesis 9:16 NIV)'
'Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD . When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking. (Ezekiel 1:28 NIV)'
There is a photo I've remarked at E52 ND ST/PARK AVENUE, i forgot why,and I remembered something about DOB instruction in that year , around 5th oct 2013.
And also I met a illusion in about 2019 , a voice asked me to find a book called 'the lost symbol', Though i know it's just a novel wrote by Dan Brown.But since then I started to konwn about freemansory , there might be a weapon like long range acoustic device.
also can controlled people' mind. Maybe in other way, people could communicate by mind. that's what fifth element are.
quintessence,ether,the fifth element
Aether (classical element), the fifth classical element after earth, fire, water, and air
Quintessence (physics), a hypothetical form of dark energy; postulated to explain the accelerating universe.
1. the most typical representation of a quality, state, etc
2. an extract of a substance containing its principle in its most concentrated form
3. (in ancient and medieval philosophy) ether, the fifth and highest essence or element after earth, water, air, and fire, which was thought to be the constituent matter of the heavenly bodies and latent in all things.
PS. Thank you for Harmony and Bill's help about how to upload the pictures.I met some tech issues about insert pictures.I am limited to access to the google cloud due to the some security policies.But no worry I will figure it out.
Because of the LORD ’s great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. (Lamentations 3:22 NIV)https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MBd...ew?usp=sharing

[shaberon]

Hi,

The two things are slightly different -- "Aether" counts as a "Fifth Element" at least since the time of Pythagoras. However, Quintessence is a refined, perfected extraction from many elements. I've linked to a post on Plasma science. There are a lot of posts there that may be worth looking at. That is because Plasma (the "Fourth Element") is directly measurable, and in most cases appears to validate the link of mind and matter. Moreover, some have taken this to a philosophy of two dimensions, which could be described as Infinite and Finite, or Timeless and Time.

There are not really any quick answers, but, a slow, subjective change that anyone may experience. And so we get the sense that most forms of spirituality and meditation are about interacting with this substrate, the Plasma Individual. Even if you totally ignore that, it still works in the medical sense. I recommend looking into this for its positive, beneficial aspects, and not worry about it being weaponized against us, because those weapons are only effective on the ignorant. With a little effort, such things will never bother us, at least mentally. Repairing the socio-political situation may take some time, but, any individual can derive their own peace and freedom without the unnecessary clouds.

[Anyone]

Dear Shaberon,

I just wanna share a experience maybe not really related to this subject, like you say'any individual can derive their own peace and freedom without the unnecessary clouds.' My twin sister's boss has terminal lymphoma,
However, she did not receive treatment, and she traveled for two years, although it cost a lot of money, but she convinced that she was not sick. When she came back from traveling, she went to the hospital to check her body and found that the cancer had subsided. Man does have the energy to heal itself. What I said in my previous post may not be logical, but I just want to say . A lot of problems come from people's 'sinful nature', but what can you do when you can't stop others, like if there is a war in the world?
We can adjust ourselves to a certain extent, and all our thoughts are based on our cognition. But in the surrounding environment, how can we help more people in need is actually worth thinking about. In my local church, they set up a foundation in one area to help children who have no parents, and some families have children whose parents are criminals, and the reason for this is that 10 years ago, when a Chinese pastor in Los Angeles had been praying to do something for the church in China, they learned from a lawyer that there were many orphans in need of help. Only disabled children, but not able-bodied children'. Ten years have passed, and many of the children raised by the church have grown up, and many of them have also married and got children. They are also excellent in various fields, and continues to spread the love of Christ. People will always be tempted by all kinds of devils, and these temptations have led to disputes between countries, if you imagine this world, if everyone loves each other, does not compete for land resources, and helps each other, will there be wars? So that's why faith is so important. All of the Christians, regardless of nationality, are called to prepare for the return of Jesus in the future. That's also the reason I came to this forum.Cuz the time is limited and very near.
In the Revelation, the last part of the Bible· New Testament, the Knights of the Dark Horse represent famine and pestilence. The appearance of this horse symbolizes the shortage of food and the high price of goods, which may also be accompanied by an epidemic of disease and death. In the description of the book of Revelation, the knight of the dark horse holds the scales in his hands, symbolizing the rationing and measurement of food, and the period he represents, the church is conquered by the forces of black, the pure and fiery church goes to the fall, the worldly enters the church, and the falsehood begins to replace the pure truth.
In addition, the dark horse may also symbolize the oppression of the lower classes by the empire and rulers. The wealthy rulers held the scales and distributed the meager rations they thought were sufficient, while luxuries remained abundant and the poor were out of reach, which led to a growing divide between classes and fellow citizens.
the image of the Dark Horse Knight is also used as a metaphor for disasters and misfortunes, such as war, famine, disease, etc., which together form the apocalyptic scene.
and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” (Matthew 3:2 NIV)

[shaberon]

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However, she did not receive treatment, and she traveled for two years, although it cost a lot of money, but she convinced that she was not sick. When she came back from traveling, she went to the hospital to check her body and found that the cancer had subsided. Man does have the energy to heal itself. What I said in my previous post may not be logical, but I just want to say . A lot of problems come from people's 'sinful nature', but what can you do when you can't stop others, like if there is a war in the world?

Those are good examples.

In the first case, yes, many ailments can be treated--or prevented--on one's own. The opposite--taking "check-ups" to see "what is wrong with you", is a subliminal suggestion that something is wrong with you, and then it will be.

The second part is more complicated, and unanswerable as of yet. Well, my background is mostly in the Shaolin martial arts "umbrella", so, yes, these concerns and all of the disputes are what we have to deal with. There is no easy answer, as to whether the "government" is superior, or the "people" wisely revolt. The main goal, I suppose, is to increase kindness and sharing, which I would like to think is more "normal" than hoarding and fighting. Yet, at least, here in America, I have no control, I really have no influence, on the horrible things our government does, or, the important things it does not do. I can only control what is right in front of me, and, "that side" keeps its distance, while I have no resources.

Most of history is characterized by the elimination of bad governments, in fact that is the operative principle since writing was invented. However, in the west, we have certainly turned it around, so the "institution" becomes the object of worship, regardless of what it does. Chances are, nothing will change it, other than the sheer force of collapse.

[Anyone]

Yes, in fact, there is no ability for us. But God can, why I am so eager to come to this forum to share my testimony. The world in which we live is facing more and more problems, but for Christians, if tomorrow the war comes, our lives will end on earth, but our soul will go to heavenly home. I am a Chinese, and many people in our country actually believe in Taoism, Buddhism, and other idols, including my mother, also believe in Buddhism. But over the years, the hardships my family has experienced, and my father's encounter with demons, I have always felt that there is a plan in the dark. If it weren't for my father's possession of a ghost outside a Taoist temple 40 years ago during the Mid-Autumn Festival, it would not have caused him to suffer from lifelong mental illness, and it would not have caused me to suffer from bipolar disorder in high school because I was growing up in such a environment when I was a child. If it weren't for my bipolar disorder, I wouldn't be Christian. Many of my friends have asked me, why do you, as a Chinese, believe in Jesus? But I am touched by the fact that our church has been telling a lot of stories about missionaries lately, who have built a lot of schools and hospitals in China and brought modern science to life. But many missionaries have lost their lives for various political reasons, and none of them will give up their lives for the sake of the truth, unless it is a call from God. Recently I want to donate money to the areas of Gaza to help them rebuild their homes, and I want to spread the gospel to the people in the war zone, our hope is no longer in this world, so no matter what happens in the future, don't be frightened, and love each other. But I think that even if I help the people of Gaza build a house today, tomorrow the war will come and destroy it again. So the root problem is the corruption of the human heart,
I still want to be a volunteer for Gaza and other war zones.No matter other people don't understand and recently I have planned to choose to reduce my diet every day for a year, fast and pray, for the peace of this world, for the home we live in. The future is a spiritual war because that seal has been lifted.

[shaberon]

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But I am touched by the fact that our church has been telling a lot of stories about missionaries lately, who have built a lot of schools and hospitals in China and brought modern science to life. But many missionaries have lost their lives for various political reasons...

This is where we go into a sort of "web" that has many issues.

From what I have seen, there are several cases where some of the first "European explorers" to settle in foreign areas, were very respectful, and asked questions of their new neighbors and took them legitimately and seriously as human beings.

What happened in China is that some of the first Jesuit missionaries made a reasonable copy of some 70-80% of the corpus of Confucian thought.

On the one hand, this material is the basis for what is called the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, and on the other, future Jesuit arrivals began their infamous process of political meddling, which, of course, led to them being kicked out of China, as they were every other place in the world, until being shut down in the 1770s.


Real charity is very important, but has to have a warning that from our system, there are disguises, and you get poison instead.


Because I am the type of person who has had different kinds of "adoptive families", here is a code for something held to be very important:

kara-yō, (Japanese: “Chinese style”)



Then, from the perspective of multiple branches, we find an important study of 757 images:


Pao-hsiang Lou, a Lama temple situated in the garden of the Tz’u-ning palace in the Forbidden City at Peiping



This is extremely curious, because we find the artisans have gone through painstaking detail to represent an enormous volume taken from the 1100s Nepali system:

...such obscure deities as the Sixteen Boddhisattvas, the Twelve Paramitas, the Twelve Vasitas, the Twelve Bhumis, the Four Pratisamvits, etc. which are described accurately in the Manjuvajra Mandala of the Nispannayogavall. It is simply imposible to prepare images of these deities without the help of descriptions as given by Abhayakaragupta. The volume of information given in the Nispannayogavall of Abhayakara-gupta is so great that an independent book is required to deal with them exhaustively.

Forbidden City carpenters used interlocking mortise and tenon joints to build its great palace buildings "harmoniously", without nails. Nails were considered violent and inharmonious.



Part of the point being made is exactly that, someone is going to import or collect something that is not "Tibetan". It would be more accurately called "Indian" and found in a place that was also spelled as Bao-Xiang Luo:

Hidden away in this maze of byways and courts on the west side of the Forbidden City is the Tzu-ning Kung (Ci-ning-Gong) (Palace of Kindness and Tranquillity) and its attendant temple garden the Tz u-ning Yung (Ci-ning Yung) (Garden of Kindness and Tranquillity) (seen Figure 1). This "smaller" palace is said to have been the residence of the Dowager Empress Hsiao-sheng, wife of the Emperor Yung-cheng (young-sheng) and the mother of Hung-li (Hong-li) who became Gao Zong Zhun Dai Shang Huang Fa, or the Emperor Ch'ien-lung (Quian-lung). She was a devout Buddhist and received numerous gifts from her son during her long life, particularly on her decade birthdays –i.e. 50th, 60th, 70th and 80th. The image reproduced in W.E. Clark are part of the Emperor's gifts to his mother, the Dowager Empress. The partial list of the Emperor's gifts is impressive, indeed. In 1751, for her sixtieth birthday she was gifted with "one set of Buddhas, and a complete set of Amitayur Buddhas." Her seventieth birthday, a birthday which for the Chinese is particularly auspicious as it is the result of the sacred seven multiplied by the complete ten, saw an impressive array of gifts – i.e."…nine sets of Amitayur Buddhas totaling 900 status, nine sets of the same totaling 9000 statues, nine Buddhas, nine Amitayur Buddhas, nine bodhisattvas, nine fo-mu, eighteen lo-han, and nine Buddhas." Nine is also particularly important and auspicious as it is considered to be a magnification of the sacred three as well as a number of good fortune and the numeral ten, as in the ten sets, indicates completeness. The list for her eightieth birthday has not been found, but it may have included the images found in the Pao-hsiang Lou (Bao-xiang) since they are not mentioned or part of the gifts for her sixtieth or seventieth birthdays.

The "garden" of the Tz'u-ning Kung (Ci-ning Gong) (Palace of Kindness and Tranquillity) to the south contains "a building known as the Hsien-jo Kuan (Xian-ruo Guan)," a temple flanked by two buildings, important for their contents but architecturally quite unremarkable – i.e. the Pao-hsiang Lou (Bao-xiang Lou) to the west and the Chi-yun Lou (Ji-yun) to the east. The Pao-hsiang Lou (Bao-xiang Lou) and its twin is a two storied, simple structure with seven rooms or chapels on each floor (see Figure 2). It was stated that this pavilion – i.e. the Pao-hsiang Lou (Bao-xiang Lou) –held literally hundreds of Tibetan Buddhas images of remarkable quality on both floors. This "temple" was arranged with seven room of the second story held a large image of the Mahaguru Tsongkhapa (Tib.: bCon-kha-pa) also known as rje Rin-po-che ("The Precious Lord of Teaching") the founder of the dGe-lugs-pa sect. In addition, the other structure – i.e. the Chi-yun Lou (Ji-yun Lou) – is said to be "filled from top to bottom with Tibetan Buddhas." Further, each chapel was so arranged as to contain a central altar with nine images, a "cabinet" to the right (to the left of the deities on the altar) with sixty-one images, apparently contained in "boxes." Another similar cabinet was set to the viewer's left (to the right of the deities on the altar) with the same number of "boxes".

So, what is unusual, to me, at least, as a student of Sanskrit, is that suddenly this collection appears with the Chinese Imperial Family, in approximately that background. I understand it fairly well. Do they know what they are doing?

I have no kind of personal connection to China, but I do have influences from things that are going in and out of it, that train me in honor. This is drastically different from the re-processed and re-branded Enlightenment as in most of the west generally.

Because of this, I would think it is unimportant and a complete waste of energy, that China and India do not need to get competitive about a few miles of wasteland in a couple of areas. America is going to do weird stuff in Armenia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and anywhere across southeast Asia, if that will prevent the rise or cooperation of what it perceives to be new powers.

[Anyone]

Dear Shaberon ,

First of all, thank you very much for your willingness to reply to my post, and I can keep the discussion going. I agree with you in some aspects even though I'm a Protestant, I think it's important to be vigilant at all times. We must not blindly follow a single religious leader, but we must continue to pursue the truth without losing our own thinking. Just like many Christians say that you can't practice yoga, that's to worship the devil, I personally like to practice yoga, which can improve my shoulder and neck problems. I also keep an open mind to discuss a lot of philosophical issues with my yoga teacher. Secondly, I like to study Chinese culture, I like to visit the Summer Palace in Beijing, I like the architecture there, and I like to study the intangible cultural heritage of the ancients, such as embroidery and pottery.
Regarding Confucianism, in Confucius's time, Confucianism had nine core ideas: benevolence, righteousness, courtesy, wisdom, faith, forgiveness, loyalty, filial piety, and compassion.
In fact, I personally think that there is an essential difference with the essence of Christianity, including traditional Chinese culture, about the three-character scripture, at the beginning of people, faith in the good.
But sometimes I wondered about the issue of "original sin," beginning with the serpent being tempted to eat the fruit of the tree of wisdom, and humanity multiplies with "original sin."
I would like to share the verses from 1 Peter that I recently consulted:

who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. (1 Peter 1:5-12 NIV)

At the end of our life,we will find the answer, but I believe not everyone will walk this "narrow gate" ,cuz “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”(Matthew 22:14 NIV)
I believe in the existence of Buddhism, maybe the six realms of reincarnation, maybe the purification of the chakras, maybe there are past lives and present lives and future lives,reminds me of the book ' Lost Horizon'.
It's just that each of them has chosen a different path.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zJ5RHiBdYvQ

I would like to share a Hebrew Hymn sang by a Chinese singer which MV are located Beijing,Temple of Heaven.

[shaberon]

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Confucianism had nine core ideas: benevolence, righteousness, courtesy, wisdom, faith, forgiveness, loyalty, filial piety, and compassion.

This may be the first time I refer to something and get the reflection from someone who is familiar with it.

That's very good.


It is not just abstract, because we can find from ancient times 2,000 + B. C. E. that society had already developed to the level of dealing with things like de-forestation and erosion. Especially around the Yellow River it has already grown to "cycles" long before the rest of the world appears to start.

The main difference is China never really has "explorers" but simply expands to its modern borders.

That is why it is a different system, and influential towards east Asia. For example, if we ask about astrology, we get a definition of five elements which is its own kind, and a different set of constellations, and it is not remotely the same thing. In this sense, India is related to the western system. And also in terms of language. China is not.

That means they already have a lot of experience about life, and, yes, Confucius and others are probably seeking ways to enter a Heaven state. This would depend on a standard of "good" such as given above. So I think we should accept there may be different ways of doing this, and if so, they seem to have most of the same humanistic values in common.

I gained a partial understanding by exhuming some Chinese records that would be useful for Asian history in general.

This is because in martial arts there is a legend that says Bodhidharma went from India to Shaolin. Actually, this was more likely a story, that was committed to writing in the early days of the printing press, and became a sort of made-up character perhaps like Robin Hood. So this is like slang that was used in the early boxer rebellions and other sedition in China. Bodhidharma was given a Buddhist lineage which, at face value, would extend to early times into India. However, almost nothing in this can be substantiated, aside from the fact that it does attach to a real south Indian person.

While I found that folklore list probably wasn't any good, there is an Imperial catalog that is very good. In fact, what we can tell from that is that our texts were extremely important to the Han Chinese at White Horse in Luo-yang starting around the year 140. The reason this catalog is important is because it records all the records--that is, it compiles old catalogs even if the contents are missing. The Chinese are actually telling us what to look for while keeping some of it! There are not many manuscripts older than Dunhuang, whereas the records show us waves of literary output that are easily comprehensible. For example, one of the earliest authors was Ashvagosha, who is *still* being re-distributed in the 800s. That means kept and sent to China on an industrial scale.

The entries in the Imperial catalog are better or more precise than anything India has for itself for several centuries.

As to whether they were very good translators, no, they weren't. Almost everything can be found to have mistakes, and it is not unusual to say that "average" quality work might contain twenty or forty. In some cases, alterations were intentional. It is a difficult but interesting comparative study.


The same turns out to be true for English. In 1961, a translation has been done by Chang Chen Chi, and I have studied the mistakes he makes. It doesn't matter much. I have lost the name of the place but it was from Sichuan where there is a mountain peak that is a big rock that more people have died on than successfully climbed. To do the translation they add this curious plate:


Fiery Water






And so I find this thing and I go--what are they doing with that? They have the Master's words! And they are in China? I don't know how this happened.

Then for a moment it occurred to me, can this be in the language of Alchemy, going back to Quintessence and the real Isaac Newton:



Watery Fire, which was the quintessence of the Twelve Zodiacal, Seven Planetary, and Four Form Elements. Isaac Newton said this was variously called Isis, Juno, or Ceres, and personally referred to it as quintessence of chaos element, i. e. Mundus. He said it was represented by antimony or Magnesia Gebri. Magnesia is not a particular element, but all of them. "It is fiery, aery, earthy, watery. It is heat and dryness, humidity and cold. It is watery fire and fiery water. It is a corporeal spirit and a spiritual body. It is the condensed spirit of the world."

This, from below, links earth with heaven, as the heavenly quintessence links from above. He noted that the symbol for antimony was based on the orb held by Kings, symbol of a redeemed earth, a sphere surmounted by a cross. Only antimony is "the lawful son of the sun and the true sun of nature".

Earth:





Antimony:








That's easy to see isn't it? A shifted perfection of everything on earth?

It seems to me the Alchemy is trying to say something pretty close to what is in our system.

[Pilutaq]

Alex Collier's contacts The Andromedans said what the fifth element was. I won't tell but one can find it on Letters From Andromeda https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/a...a/lfa/lfa.html
It's pretty obvious but just hidden. The four that are mentioned elsewhere is usually Earth Wind Fire Water which are the four elements

[Michi]

Posted by Pilutaq (here)
Alex Collier's contacts The Andromedans said what the fifth element was. I won't tell but one can find it on Letters From Andromeda https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/a...a/lfa/lfa.html
It's pretty obvious but just hidden. The four that are mentioned elsewhere is usually Earth Wind Fire Water which are the four elements

Any reason you don't like to tell?
In which of the letters should I look?

[Pilutaq]

No particular reason. Their letters are worth reading into and I just thought one needs to see why they have given us such knowledge. But yeah why not it's in the Isness Volume Two April 1996 letter