WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Tintin]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
At the 1:54 mark, he says: "According to different sources, this attack was conducted from the territory of the Baltic states, which are basically already members of NATO"

The Baltic states are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania..

Yes, I'd suggested the same in this post here on the 18th.

It was a NATO attack, from non-Ukrainian territory using missiles, not just drones, and just maybe launched from F-16s, but I won't stake my life on the F-16 bit, for now.

Other reports have also suggested that although the imagery of the strike was very dramatic, the ammo reserves would mainly have been underground and in vastly greater amounts than those that 'expired' from the hit. So, birdseed; a minor nuisance. It was in many ways a typical PR type exercise/provocation which will change nothing on the battlefield proper.

In the meantime one may expect Russia to have already planned a comprehensive response. Expect a rainstorm of Iskanders hitting western Ukraine sometime over the weekend, and more NATO casualties.

A little more on the Toropets NATO-wasp-on-a-camping-expedition (with thanks to Bill Hicks for the inspiration) incident, and further thanks to Simplicius in his latest, sarcastic sign-off included, also:

"Fun fact: The Toropets arsenal "has 41 newer bunkers that can hold up to 240 metric tonnes of ammunition each, and 70+ sheds hold up to 120 tonnes each, not factoring large areas of open-air storage, that's over 19K metric tonnes". Thus, the arsenal holds *up to* 19,000 tonnes of munitions. The Russian army uses upwards of 10,000 - 15,000 tons of munitions per day. So, even if Ukraine were to have destroyed the entire arsenal, this represents a single day or two of Russian expenditures at most. We know they didn't come close to destroying the whole thing, nor that the arsenal was even "full" at capacity. Thus, Ukraine may have destroyed about 12 hours worth of Russian munitions expenditures in the SMO. Gamechanger?"

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From Tintin's latest:A reminder to the British Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office, also: message to David Lamentable:

From TopWar, May 6th, 2024:

Falklands, Gibraltar, bases in Africa: Western experts voice versions regarding British military facilities that could become targets for the Russian Armed Forces

[Extracted]:

In this regard, foreign media are discussing an issue related to specific British targets that could be struck by the Russian Armed Forces outside Ukraine. Considering the fact that there are dozens of British military bases (and other facilities) outside the British Isles itself, any of them could become a target. Moreover, if British missiles fly deep into Russia, then the targets may well be military facilities on the territory of Great Britain itself.

At the same time, Western military experts, commenting on the Russian note, decided to highlight several foreign British facilities - a British military base on the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), a base on the territory of Gibraltar, as well as military facilities in African countries (for example, in Sierra Leone). It is noted that the “African scenario” may well be implemented by Russia if the Ukrainian Armed Forces actually begin firing British missiles deep into the Russian Federation. At the same time, the reference is to the Russian contingent that arrived at the former American military base in Niger even before the withdrawal of the Americans from its territory.

...and....

And there is also a significant British military presence directly on the borders of Russia. For example, the contingent in Estonia.

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Tintin - You have probably noticed the persistent lie of presenting this "deep strikes" issues as being a question of the USA/ UK etc. "allowing" Ukraine to "use" NATO weapons for deep strikes inside Russia.

If it was possible for Ukr to "use" NATO-supplied longer range guided missiles in that way, then it would long since have already happened many times - since the Ukr leadership would not wait for, or depend upon, "permission" to do something they so much want to do.

But that is not the question: The question is whether NATO will themselves conduct the deep guided-missile strikes inside Russia. Which is the modern military equivalent of USAAF and/or RAF pilots and aircraft conducting bombing raids on Russia.

The Russians know this perfectly well, and have made it explicit; and that NATO cannot be allowed to conduct deep strikes on Russian mainland without themselves experiencing the same treatment. But this information is excluded from political and media reporting.

An honest description of what is being proposed is not "Ukraine being allowed..." but "NATO being allowed..." to attack Russia.

But the media coverage is systematically dishonest, with the clear aim of deliberately provoking a NATO-Russian war without the populations of NATO nations being aware that that is exactly what is being done.

(Of course the Western populations are themselves far from innocent, indeed passively guilty; because of their chronic refusal to investigate beyond censored propaganda sources, and think about what is going on.)






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[Tintin]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
@Tintin - You have probably noticed the persistent lie of presenting this "deep strikes" issues as being a question of the USA/ UK etc. "allowing" Ukraine to "use" NATO weapons for deep strikes inside Russia.

- of course, and acknowledged multiple times on this thread. Frankly, it's unmissable and ages old narrative framing, for the "masses" I know you know that

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
But that is not the question: The question is whether NATO will themselves conduct the deep guided-missile strikes inside Russia. Which is the modern military equivalent of USAAF and/or RAF pilots and aircraft conducting bombing raids on Russia.

- I'm asserting that they - NATO - already have. As has been pointed out many times this is NATO military architecture, manned and operated by NATO 'operatives', or if Ukrainian AF are pushing the button/s then they are under supervision during the process

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
But the media coverage is systematically dishonest, with the clear aim of deliberately provoking a NATO-Russian war without the populations of NATO nations being aware that that is exactly what is being done.

- There used to be a time when PR/propaganda from the West was quite convincing and almost believable. What this conflict has exposed is just how laughably transparent and extraordinarily poor it all is. Hannah Arendt said something about the "..banality of evil" which satisfactorily sums up the mentality, content, and frankly infantile legacy media posturing representing an 'Empire' in its death throes.

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
...The Russians know this perfectly well, and have made it explicit; and that NATO cannot be allowed to conduct deep strikes on Russian mainland without themselves experiencing the same treatment. But this information is excluded from political and media reporting.

- yes, they do, and I do have to say that, so far, have exercised extraordinary diplomatic acumen, with military patience nothing short of inspirational to boot.

A quick note: a (close) relative serving as a British paratrooper is currently stationed in a particular Baltic state: for reasons which may fairly be called 'selfish' I do not want to see them become liquidated through the rank idiocy of the military arm of 'The Establishment' (Mob).

And, what in the hell are they teaching these kids these days at Westpoint and Sandhurst? Answers on a nano-chip

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Tintin " I'm asserting that they - NATO - already have. "

Indeed, I think this is very probably correct, and for some time; but Russia have apparently chosen, so far, to allow some wriggle room and "ignore" it officially.

Or else, it may be that - in order to ensure Russia's allies are fully "on board" with what would be a massive escalatory step (i.e. attacking NATO nations or facilities outwith Ukr), it is necessary for Russia's allies to accept that it is NATO for sure who is conducting direct attacks on the Russian "mainland".

Russia are (unlike The Western leadership class) playing a long and strategic game. If or when the war goes international, Russia will need unambiguous support from their major allies, and therefore this would need to be ensured. My guess is that this is a significant factor behind Russian patience, and apparent phlegmatism in face of provocation.

[Jaak]

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Answers on a nano-chip

... written in crayon, no less?

[shaberon]

Posted by Tintin (here)
There used to be a time when PR/propaganda from the West was quite convincing and almost believable. What this conflict has exposed is just how laughably transparent and extraordinarily poor it all is.

Syria my friend.

Yes, I would allow some sympathy for the "almost believable", which I assume affected my parents -- I don't expect everyone was familiar with War Is a Racket or Secrets of the Federal Reserve the day they came out. However it is difficult to imagine going through the Vietnam era without raising an eyebrow. How far someone might have gotten past that without some serious questions, I have no idea. Once the attempt on Syria started, there was already a complete counter-point. The official narratives were dead to begin with. That is what got me looking at random comments on the internet, to get a sense of how it affected others, and particularly by looking at what was being said on local tv stations, I could not help but realize there was an unbridgeable gulf represented by...almost everyone around me.

But definitely because of Syria, those of us who saw through it were relegated to a limited number of websites, which is for example what brought me to Avalon, and also for example The Saker, whom we were quoting for the first year of this thread.

What we could perhaps call the "empire of color revolutions" died in Syria, but Ukraine is, and already was, Cash Cow. To err on the side of importance, a bit of redundancy with some things like these weapon systems are inoperable without outside assistance, it's worth doing this. Rather than a question of who knows what, it becomes routine knowledge. If we bother to figure out what is going on now, that is also because we would like to learn to prevent it. Of course we all tried this once around 1776. But if you don't keep up the menace, things get taken away, like memory.

[Rizotto]

Zaluzhny blasts Zelensky, Kursk disaster

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=88aZUd_wOqY

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1837083964063789404

Reading this only now. I actually sigh with relief at the fact that there is at least one civilisation (not “ours”!) who has been understanding this for ages (“since Roland Reagan” (!)). To the friends and acquaintances I used to discuss with, it was clear in the early 90s what was lying ahead, after “the West” planted its dagger into the back of its then most successful (too bad for them being not an "Anglo-Saxon”) member: Japan.

Since then, it has only been printed paper money backed up by cruise missiles. Fortunately, but armageddonically, these are now being taken out by better missiles, backed up by real assets.

[justntime2learn]

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ap9qK4J6zRU

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[shaberon]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Reading this only now. I actually sigh with relief at the fact that there is at least one civilisation (not “ours”!) who has been understanding this for ages (“since Roland Reagan” (!)).

In the modern sense, certainly. My thesis is that this is not new for Russia. That around 1776, this understanding was shared with parts of France, Austria, and the nascent America. And that the intervening time has largely been used to wipe out the memory.

It is not hard to find plenty of information that warns about "the money power", the questions would be along the lines of clarity and understanding. Because the inverse is true, when one resists a power, then you are liable to an infiltration of Antifa mobs that scramble the message by throwing false flags and similar tactics. This is still the case. That is why I steer towards "clear understanding" rather than "outraged reactions". To figure out the issues of what is undesirable about something like BlackRock and there is not an ounce of truth in "it has to be this way".

The cited article calls it Capitalism, and says it is interested in asset transfer, which more fully is simply The Fight that is present in all written history. Not just Russia and the pre-modern banks, but everything known to man. So although the whole story is much bigger, Russia is currently living it out in excruciating detail.

Again, this refutes a companion idea, that the elite goal is simply to kill and destroy Ukraine. I am pretty sure the intention was to keep and use it. However it ran into "unplanned consequences", largely because of a real asset, i. e. military buildup, which provoked a pre-emptive strike. True, finally some Ukrainians have made it into Russia, but it doesn't look like they're going to stay, while living.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Reading this only now. I actually sigh with relief at the fact that there is at least one civilisation (not “ours”!) who has been understanding this for ages (“since Roland Reagan” (!)).

In the modern sense, certainly. My thesis is that this is not new for Russia. That around 1776, this understanding was shared with parts of France, Austria, and the nascent America. And that the intervening time has largely been used to wipe out the memory.

It is not hard to find plenty of information that warns about "the money power", the questions would be along the lines of clarity and understanding. Because the inverse is true, when one resists a power, then you are liable to an infiltration of Antifa mobs that scramble the message by throwing false flags and similar tactics. This is still the case. That is why I steer towards "clear understanding" rather than "outraged reactions". To figure out the issues of what is undesirable about something like BlackRock and there is not an ounce of truth in "it has to be this way".

The cited article calls it Capitalism, and says it is interested in asset transfer, which more fully is simply The Fight that is present in all written history. Not just Russia and the pre-modern banks, but everything known to man. So although the whole story is much bigger, Russia is currently living it out in excruciating detail.

Again, this refutes a companion idea, that the elite goal is simply to kill and destroy Ukraine. I am pretty sure the intention was to keep and use it. However it ran into "unplanned consequences", largely because of a real asset, i. e. military buildup, which provoked a pre-emptive strike. True, finally some Ukrainians have made it into Russia, but it doesn't look like they're going to stay, while living.

True Shaberon, thank you. But.. well.. I am speaking of the past —— my generation were/are children of the Vietnam War and its atrocities (and to an extent also of French May 68 and of course of the sexual liberation).. but then there was Reagan, and later Gorbachev, Berlin, and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. At the latest at this moment “my circle” started to feel that there was something rotten going on. But the betrayal of Japan was the nail in the coffin – and only somewhat I read the history of Korea and how Truman had barely been able to prevent the military from A-bombing a 2,500 year old civilisation to oblivion. And then, as the Nineties progressed we got a foretaste of the betrayal by the Europeans themselves: how Germany helped break down Yugoslavia and later, the final page being turned in 2001, consented in ruining Greece. – France contributing to ruining Lybia.. Everything betrayal ... basically mob families fighting each other.. Anglosaxiona: it has always been a “rule-based world” for them, and never an "it is the Law”..

I happen to find some wisdom in the words by an American lawyer turned sage, Shunyamurti. I recommend what I have watched, like this.

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[BMJ]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Text:
⚡️ NATO 'tools up' Estonia's military for a potential armed conflict between the alliance and Moscow

"Today our long-range strike assets are fully integrated into NATO's plans, and NATO tells us that we must address specific targets within [Russian territory], thereby enabling them to come to Estonia and progress to the next steps," Estonia’s Chief of Staff of the Joint Headquarters, Major General Vahur Karus said in an interview with Estonian national broadcaster ERR.

Karus noted that Estonia could definitely count on the immediate participation of the Western bloc’s units stationed on its soil in a potential conflict with Russia.

https://x.com/SputnikInt/status/1836329925076222259

The writing is on the wall, that cash cow Ukraine is drying up and now the deep state is looking for the next opportunity and sacrifice, that is Estonia.

So the business model of Ukraine is that good, (that is funneling moneys via governments to the state and military industrial complex and acquisition of state assets by Blackrock etc) that the deep state is prepping Estonia to become Ukraine 2.0.

God help Estonia don't commit suicide like Ukraine did, please.

[Vicus]

NATO secret operations headquarters destroyed in Kiev September 21, 2024

According to preliminary data, more than two dozen military and infrastructure facilities working in the interests of the Ukrainian army were subjected to Russian strikes last night. One such target, a secret NATO Operations Center, was destroyed.

Heavy long-range attack drones hit arsenals, areas of troop deployments, sites with armored vehicles, and fuel storage facilities from Kharkiv to Ivano-Frankivsk.

As midnight arrived, local time, air raid sirens howled in Ukraine, and Russian Geranium drones attacked Ukrainian military facilities throughout the country.

A massive blow was inflicted on Kharkiv. An entire military unit was destroyed in the city, including units of the nationalist formation "Azov" and several groups of foreign mercenaries withdrawn for rotation.

In addition, the workshops of several military supply companies were hit.

In the Poltava region, large fuel storage facilities intended for Ukrainian troops operating in Kursk, Russia were hit. A large fire that broke out after the impact continues to burn today.

In Kiev, an attack by Russian drones cost the Armed Forces of Ukraine several warehouses with ammunition, including NATO cruise missiles, and a base for the repair of military equipment. A training center for personnel of the special operations forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was also destroyed.

According to Ukrainian sources, explosions also took place in the city of Kaniv, the purpose of which appear to have been the machine shops of the local hydroelectric power plant, which provides electricity to military enterprises in the Kiev area.

The destruction of military facilities in Cherkasy and Dnipropetrovsk also took place. Several launchers of Ukrainian air defense in those areas were destroyed.

In Ivano-Frankivsk, oil storage facilities are burning and ammunition depots are exploding.

A military airfield in the city of Kolomyia, the reconstructed runway of which COULD receive NATO Air Force fighters, also came under attack. Data on the affected targets continues to come through the network of pro-Russian Resistance in Ukraine.

A shroud of death now covers what used to be a secret NATO headquarters. The main radio communication center of the military intelligence of Ukraine, was destroyed in Kiev.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...troyed-in-kiev

Vicus comment:

I posted this with a grain of salt...I don't saw anything about elsewhere...and I don't know how much percent exactly we can trust this homepage...we all need to be alert...

[Vicus]

Military Situation In Russian Kursk Region And On Ukrainian Frontlines On September 23, 2024 (Maps Update)

Many interactive maps, from all regions ...

https://southfront.press/military-si...4-maps-update/

[Vicus]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vEM9ZU13x3A

Military Summary For 2024.09.23

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• Zelensky in USA, pitches Victory plan which is his SURVIVAL PLAN:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wyNRHiSk0sY

All these pro-Ukraine people saying that Ukraine should not have to make sacrifices in order to end the war, that Russia is the aggressor and so on. People, Ukraine has already made sacrifices! They sacrificed their sovereignty, independence, freedom, and even dignity, when they sold their souls to the west and allowed USA-NATO to rule and pay for everything in Ukraine. What are you talking about with not making sacrifices now?

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
A Ukrainian unit was eliminated one by one in the Kursk region after being "betrayed" by one of their own who went out for a stroll.

Russian drone operators spotted and tracked him, discovering an enemy infantry unit hidden in the grass.

FPV drones were dispatched, taking out the Ukrainian soldiers one by one. Even a "Humvee" that arrived for support was taken down.

The last survivors sought refuge in a drainage pipe under the road, but the drone followed them there as well. - AN

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1838295101648572695