Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[Ernie Nemeth]

I deflect and reject your shame.

[shaberon]

I see it's time for "march of the silly slogans" again.

Meanwhile, the work continues with another knuckle on the finger:


Ramat David base and airport with a barrage of Fadi-3 rockets.


Anyone know how large that is? I don't.

I can't remember that last time most of the United Nations walked out on someone, either.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
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What I mean with "Mass Psychology" is perfectly explained in Crowd Psychology connected to Crowd Behavior Studies

(...)

Well John, I can see that you are not getting my point. I will it repeat it one last time.

Mass psychology, equalling crowd psychology do NOT apply to all the people who are too afraid, cowardly and/or ignorant to oppose their governments. The latter cower in their corners and never become crowds or masses.

Then it is essential to understand why that is. I think it is related to a strategy which exacerbates individual differences by targeting people with tailor-made propaganda. And that is what we need to find counter-state terrorism actions against.

What you rightly quote explains the behaviour of masses or crowds, as, for instance, the Dutch farmers in their trucks.

The question may even arise to what extent this "massive or crowd-like behaviour" of the truckers in the Netherlands and Canada was not deliberately provoked in order to paint them black as they were displaying "mob-like behaviour" as described by your mass psychology mechanisms.

Our enemies do NOT display such behaviour. it is extremely differentiated. That's is how modern propaganda works.

Peace.

[Moemers]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yC0R3mTRs-4

good coverage (as always) from Channel 5

[shaberon]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Mass psychology, equalling crowd psychology do NOT apply to all the people who are too afraid, cowardly and/or ignorant to oppose their governments. The latter cower in their corners and never become crowds or masses.

I am not sure which side of the definition I am going to fall in, but, I will try to describe my guiding light.

I totally come in the description "isolated" where I live, as I cannot seem to find anyone who can communicate effectively even at a basic level like tie your shoes. Something is particularly inadequate and under-developed, dramatically since 9/11.

To compensate, I have joined various families, some of which are international in nature. I am about to go join an anarchist mob by way of a Brazilian friend. And I can go on and on, and come up with hundreds of millions, who are mostly in other places, and of course if you keep busy, you're not going to come and post laments that nothing is happening, as I do most of the time. So I more or less speak on behalf of what it's kind of like.

Because of this, I've never really known anyone who consented to the isolated manipulative form of propaganda. I have to be taught what this is and what it's like. I can intellectually learn some of the ideas, but I have absolutely no clue what it's like to live like that.

I don't have a political party or militia, just crowds who are not part of whatever that is.

[Rizotto]

Quoting Shaberon above: "Something is particularly inadequate and under-developed, dramatically since 9/11."

Truth! Most Americans know deep down that their government's official story about 9/11 does NOT add up, however too many of them cannot bring this to the forefront of their consciousness. let alone act upon it. They just can't face the fact that the enemy is within, and very much in control of their political system. America's 'christian zionists' are also (especially so?) in the same denial mindset. They will do everything to avoid looking at evidence that the United States of Israel did 9/11, and the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, and the Jeffrey Epstein child trafficking extortion, etc., all for the benefit of Israel's illegal expansion and control.

[Rizotto]

Ernie, still trying to bait us with your "white race" delusions isn't going to work here. So, if you claim it's the 'white race' (vs who exactly?) that's under attack, then you undermine the zionists' accusations of "anti-semitism" they use against anybody that opposes their genocidal agenda. I thoroughly understand why the excuses keep changing...

The following is a discussion on Iran's difficult position with regards to Israel extreme provocations against Hezbollah. Iran may be cornered into a position where it will have to intervene and assist Hezbollah.
Iran faces difficult decision as Middle East tensions rise

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gR8iusFYieU

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Personally, I think that Israel's dramatic escalation of their attacks on Hezbollah, with the covert assistance of the United States of Israel, is of course to draw Iran into the fight. But not only that. Israel knows it is completely dependent on the USA petro-dollar economic world dominance, and is worried. They certainly see that the rest of the world has had enough of this, and has turned against them. The growing shift towards BRICS alliance spells doom for Israel. So, Israel probably see that their only option left is to drive the conflict into a major conflagration, even if it means WW3. Israel knows that Iran is reluctant at this point to get diverted into warfare, as it could jeopardize their BRICS goals.

[Ravenlocke]

Unconfirmed

https://x.com/Somali_ICS/status/1840152097221726576

https://x.com/mebsLFC19/status/1840165332016652714

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1840096542218146234

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1840152623162208473

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1840129079183585415

https://x.com/dana916/status/1840158968846454804

https://qudsnen.co/?p=48522

Details emerge on Israel’s assassination of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah

Beirut (Quds News Network)- In the wake of the assassination of Hezbollah’s Secretary-General, Hassan Nasrallah, new details have surfaced regarding the planning, execution, and internal debates that surrounded the operation. The Israeli government, particularly Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, reportedly disagreed on the timing of the strike, but the operation ultimately proceeded due to what was deemed a critical opportunity.

The Israeli Air Force’s 69th Squadron led the strike, with its pilots unaware of the identity of their target until just hours before the operation. “We were on alert for days and realized we had an extraordinary opportunity,” the squadron commander told Israel’s Channel 13.

According to the Israeli military, aircraft from the 69th Squadron dropped approximately 85 bunker-buster bombs on the entire block, each containing one ton of explosives, as part of the mission to eliminate Nasrallah. Four buildings were entirely leveled, murdering everyone inside including civilians.

The New York Times, citing Israeli officials, reported that Israel had been tracking Nasrallah’s movements for several months, with the final decision to target him being made last week. The timing was driven by a perceived dwindling window of opportunity, as Nasrallah was expected to move to a more secure location.

Reports from Haaretz revealed that Prime Minister Netanyahu initially sought to delay the operation until after his return from a trip to New York. Sources involved in high-level security discussions last week said Netanyahu had asked to postpone any decision until he was back in Israel, which was expected to be by Sunday.

In the discussions held prior to his departure for the United States, Netanyahu stated that he would make a final decision regarding the assassination after his return. However, as “new operational opportunities arose”, Netanyahu reportedly approved the mission while still abroad.

In the lead-up to the operation, Netanyahu and Gallant engaged in numerous discussions with senior security officials. Haaretz sources noted that while Gallant pushed for an immediate strike, Netanyahu initially hesitated. A final phone discussion involving members of Israel’s security cabinet was held just a day before the strike, during which Netanyahu and Gallant were granted the authority to make the decision.

On Friday, Israeli security officials informed both leaders of an ideal moment to carry out the assassination, and they ultimately agreed to proceed.

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
🇱🇧 Ground War Imminent? "Greater Israel Includes Lebanon"

A recent article in the Jerusalem Post revisits the controversial question: Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory? Citing interpretations from the Torah and the concept of a “Greater Israel,” the article suggests that Lebanon, or parts of it, fall within the boundaries promised to Israel in ancient texts.

The concept of "Greater Israel" is often tied to the land described in the Covenant with Abraham (Brit Bein HaBetarim), stretching from the “River of Egypt” (interpreted as either the Nile or a smaller river in Sinai) to the Euphrates River. This expansive region encompasses parts of modern-day Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq.

It concludes, "If one looks at a map, they will be astounded by how far north this river extends and how vast the Land of Israel truly is. While we may not be able to reclaim all of it in our time, Hashem will surely return it to us soon."

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1840126869490020500

[shaberon]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Most Americans know deep down that their government's official story about 9/11 does NOT add up, however too many of them cannot bring this to the forefront of their consciousness. let alone act upon it.

Well, it was like this. Instantaneous.

It was a Tuesday, which was my day off. So I was asleep when it happened. My house mate came in and told me the World Trade Center had been destroyed. I said that's impossible, go and check it again. They tried it in '93 and nothing happened, they're invulnerable.

I went and watched the re-runs and just knew something was wrong with it.

I think it was by the end of that day, they were already identifying the hijackers and what supposedly happened, which also seemed wrong.

Everybody changed at that moment, because they polarized, and couldn't speak to each other.

They were all knocked into isolated propaganda boxes, and haven't come out. Very immediately. Within a few days I was in a store and saw these little flags for sale...I said that's made in China isn't it...they said well...and we looked and they were. That already proved enough that something was way wrong and the person I was talking to knew it.

Now of course from that moment we have the Neocons and their ilk on display, who may appear to "represent" America, but, personally, I've never known anyone like that. I have to collect information about people I've never bonded with. I *see* various emblems that show me where they live, and I *know* there must be a rather large amount of them, but I think we have always been at odds with one another.

The comments that sometimes show up that appear to represent that camp do not sway any sympathy, in fact, they continue to degrade its reputation by their very appearance. So it is worth putting them on display.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Unconfirmed

Seems unlikely.

Sirens went off and people ran, but again it was most likely intercepted, same as a couple of days ago.

Yemen does not really damage that much, but, they changed the world. Comparatively, the Allies ran an embargo against Spain in the run-up to WWII, which consisted of sinking, I think, twenty-nine tankers before it kicked in. The mental effect that something could get through, is bad, if it is where you live.

When something hits, we can get limited copy of the results. Like the strike that did not really kill the 8200 guy was observed, which could not really be hidden, only a thorough description was blocked.

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/russia/604870-rus...tacks-lebanon/

28 September 2024

Russia condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon
The strategy chosen by West Jerusalem will not help it achieve its goals, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has warned

Israel’s actions in Lebanon only create a “spiral of violence” and risk plunging the entire Middle East into a new bloody conflict, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a UN Security Council meeting on Friday. Moscow “resolutely condemns” the Israeli attacks and seeks to de-escalate the situation, he added.

Lavrov’s words came as the Israel Defense Force launched a massive airstrike on the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital of Beirut. West Jerusalem stated that its operation had targeted the main headquarters of Hezbollah – the Lebanon-based Shia militia – located beneath a civilian neighborhood. On Saturday, Israel also claimed that the group’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, had been killed in the attack. Several media outlets had previously reported that he had survived.

Israel’s strikes “blatantly violate the sovereignty of… Lebanon,” Lavrov said in his remarks. “Indiscriminate attacks that lead to civilian casualties are absolutely unacceptable.” The Russian minister also called for an “immediately stop” to the “spiral of violence” before the situation gets out of hand. He also stated that Israel would not be able to achieve its stated goals with such attacks.

“The path of war chosen by the West Jerusalem will not help it bring internally displaced people to the north of the country and will not bring security to the Israeli-Lebanese border area,” he said, adding that Israel failed to achieve its goals in the 2006 Lebanon war despite using “cutting-edge equipment and weapons.”
The Israeli bombings have already killed at least 558 people in Lebanon, including 50 children and 94 women, Lavrov said, adding that more than 1,600 were injured and “tens of thousands had to leave their homes.”

Israel and Hezbollah have sporadically exchanged fire over the past year as the latter has supported the Palestinian cause in light of West Jerusalem's military operation against Hamas.

West Jerusalem drastically escalated its campaign against Hezbollah earlier this month, wounding thousands in a sabotage operation targeting the group’s handheld communication devices and subsequently bombarding southern Lebanon with airstrikes since last week. According to Lebanon’s Health Ministry, at least 1,300 people have been killed in the Israeli attacks.

“The Middle East is once again on the brink of a big war, which certain forces seem to be willing to [provoke],” Lavrov said, commenting on the developments. Moscow calls for an immediate cessation of hostilities and is undertaking “active diplomatic efforts to de-escalate the situation and prevent the most catastrophic scenario,” he added.

[Ernie Nemeth]

'Race baiting' is a 'new normal' term. Glad to see the propaganda is working.
Okay let's use that phrase.

Read the title of the thread.

A war between two races.


This entire thread is race baiting, slanted against the west.

Imagine how I feel after dozens of pages of race baiting.
But I post one time and I'm the racist?

Why not call up the resident gaslighter to post ten consecutive posts and bury my post like usual?

I'm not posting for, to, or at, the regular posters.

These posts are for the guests that might not all agree with the slant of this thread.


Okay, okay...I'll stay off this thread for another quarter - unless something major breaks.

[Tintin]

Today The Jerusalem Post removed this article from their website which was originally published on September 25th. For those still woolly about some of the reasons, if not the primary reason behind this latest escalation, this should provide more clarity.

Source for the update: Kit Klarenberg
Source of the original material: Quite some time ago, in an ancient place

Is Lebanon part of Israel's promised territory?
Author: Mark Fish

[Tintin]

I will get around to listening to this time permitting this week but in light of the recent assassination of Hassan Nasrullah this is well worthy of some time I think. With thanks to Ousman Noor on X for the tip/reminder, from 2012. His X post text, here:

"If you haven't already, I highly recommend the interview by Julian Assange with Nasrallah from 2012. Nasrallah believed in achieving a One State Democratic Solution in which all people, Jews, Muslims, Christians and others would share the land and exercise equal rights, freedom and justice for all. His aim was to protect both the people of Lebanon and Palestine from the expansionist, apartheid colonialism of Zionism. He remains the only leader in the Muslim world to have ever defeated Israel and forced them to withdraw from their illegal occupation of Lebanon.

Whatever else you may think of him, he personified the expression "it is better to die standing than to live on your knees".

...and:

"The part of this interview that is most profound is Assange's final question, in which he asks Nasrallah whether he should also be trying to liberate people "from the tyranny of a monotheistic religion [Islam]".

Nasrallah answers with grace by saying that the God that created the universe, created mankind, and that the effort to serve humanity is the same as the service of God. He says that we all have, within our instincts, an understanding of justice and truth which God has endowed us with to know the difference between right and wrong. He says that as long as we stay true to that, we will be serving our Creator. He concludes by saying that he does not wish to impose religion on anyone, and his hope is for people to live together with mutual understanding and respect." ❤️

The Julian Assange Show Episode 1: Nasrallah (2012)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3M1fHfKenTM

YouTube description, here:

The Julian Assange Show Episode 1: Nasrallah (2012): A freedom fighter to some, a terrorist to others, this is Hassan Nasrallah's his first interview in the West since 2006. From a secret location in Lebanon, Nasrallah gives Assange a rare and frank insight into his vision for the future of the Middle East.

"This is exactly what America and Israel want for Syria", Nasrallah insists. He also blames Al Qaeda for "trying to turn Syria into a battleground". He's certainly not holding back, and with Assange throwing the questions the revelations keep on coming. He believes in Bashar al Assad: "I personally found that President Assad was very willing to carry out radical and important reforms. But the opposition needs to agree to dialogue."

But it's not only Syria that's on the agenda. He vehemently denies allegations of corruption pointed at Hezbollah. "This is part of the rumours that they wanted to use to discredit Hezbollah and distort its image. It's part of the media war against us." What about Hezbollah's violent past? "Hezbollah resorted to bombing civilians only to prevent Israel from shelling our civilians" he says. So what is next for Hezbollah's campaign against Israel? And what does Nasrallah really want for the future of the region?

Originally Aired on 17th April 2012

[Tintin]

Caveat: from Kathleen Tyson on X

At this point it is unverified (Israel denies it, so more likely true), but it’s just possible Netanyahu was injured by either a missile strike on arrival at Ben Gurion Airport or his home. Much confusion. Media blackout. Disappearing posts.
One to watch.

[Gwin Ru]

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[Tintin]

Interesting here from Alon Mizrahi on X:

"I did the unthinkable and watched a mainstream Israeli TV news program this morning. I survived, but only barely, and I have to tell you; if it weren't that catastrophically tragic, it would be freaking hilarious.

Not a person in Israeli public life thinks Israel should do all it can to avoid a war with Hezbollah. No one. I'm not joking.

Yesterday, when pathetic rumors about a ceasefire began surfacing (I wanted to write it was nonsense, but gave it up because I was kinda sure everybody normal gets it already), Israeli leftwing and liberal opposition leaders came out and said that 21 days of ceasefire is too much, and Hezbollah should be given no more than a week max to repent and clear southern Lebanon (not a direct quote, but that's the spirit).

There is no debate like there has been no debate throughout this horrific year of genocide, and as there has been for the past generation about the occupation: it stopped being a subject for debate some 20 years ago. As far as Israeli politics were concerned, it was no more.

In Israeli media, journalists and pundits only argue what's best: to smash, break, annihilate, destroy, or exterminate Hezbollah (code name: all Lebanese).

I have said it many, many times before - many times in Hebrew, when I still used this language to convey political thoughts, which I don't do anymore: In Israel, nothing ever happens, and nothing ever changes.

Nothing happened in the past year, as far as the Israeli public debate is concerned: antisemites bark and terrorists try to kill us all because we're Jews but hey - it has always been so.

No thought is given to the prices of war, and specifically to the potential outcomes of a full-blown war with Hezbollah. In the Israeli psyche, IDF is going to stroll into Lebanon and push Hezbollah across the Litani River, after which a buffer zone will be established in that area, easy peasy.

October 7, and the year that came after it, shocked the world and made literal billions aware of the darker sides of Zionism. In Israel, nothing happened."
9:57 PM · Sep 26, 2024
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"Let me add a layer of meaning to this: many many people are traumatized and are suffering personally, but absolutely nothing of this translates into renewed political thinking. The worlds of personal experience, political consciousness, and public discourse are totally and hermetically separate."

It is not a nation. It is an armed cult
3:40 PM · Sep 27, 2024

And in response to this:

- You seem to be one of the few sane people that miraculously survived the Zionist freaking ideologies! They’re mostly insane but they just can’t see it!
10:00 PM · Sep 26, 2024

AM: (my emphasis - TQ) They totally can't. It's breathtaking and astounding
10:00 PM · Sep 26, 2024