An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
This is basically a response to Bill, but I believe will resonate with quite a few other people here- which is why I'm posting it to the forum rather than PMing.

Rick, I almost never post just to agree. I use the thanks button. But I offer extra thanks here for this post. You have laid out your thoughts and case in a respectful and erudite presentation. You have added to the discussion and made the whole greater than it was. I salute you. You are welcome in my foxhole any time.

[SEAM]

My nephew uses this site.... great concept: http://www.couchsurfing.org/

[Mark2112]

Being a new member here I am reading all this with incredulity, I did not like the forum joining process in the first pace which left me with somewhat of an elitist feeling. I have only posted a couple of times so as such have not been upgraded to full membership. Is this the Avalon forum that I should be aspiring to this great full membership, is this the metaphoric Avalon that people seek? I see some very level headed and intelligent people here but also this forum is rife with cronyism and people with narcissitic personality disorders.

I have a great deal of sympathy for Bill in this, I have enjoyed reading and watching his output for a long time. It seems to be a version of the play that is unfolding in the middle east just now and that he has almost been the victim of some sort of attemped coo. Just watching from afar I believe Bill should have deserved more loyalty and patience than has been shown.

I'll retire once more to be a lurker on the threshold

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Bill!
Oh my God, I am so relieved by your post starting this thread. You don't know me, but I have always felt I know you...
I was getting really worried about Avalon and its direction of late. I know I'm a newcomer but I do have great powers of discernment.
You are a man I truly look up to. I'm glad that my trust and admiration have been vindicated!
I haven't read all the posts here, so I have no idea what has been said in regard to your decisions.
Frankly, I do not care. There will always be disagreement. But some one has to make the hard choices - and this is your site.
Sorry it had to come to this for some, I feel Richard and Celine especially are good people. I don't know the details, but whatever they are it is not the point.

The integrity of this site is the point. And I feel you have gone far in restoring exactly that.
Heck I can almost accept whatever decisions are made regarding the CM now...and that is saying a lot.

So, my hat off to you, sir, in salute.

And Peace to all of Avalon.

[jcocks]

Two questions I'd like to ask - I haven't been very active of late so I'm just trying to understand what's been going on here...

1) What is this "new sanctum" that some members were referring to? Is it a mods-only area or a specific thread on this board? Try as I might, I could not find it - and it worries me somewhat that there might have been a "club" running on Avalon that others were not privvy to and that had information that was not released for the general forum membership to read - I thought Avalon stood for openness, not closed "memmbers - only " clubs.... If this was a mods area, then my apologies as that would be completely neccessary and understandable.

2) If I may ask, what is the status of Charles on this board now that this little situation has occurred? Is he still going to stay and active member and continue to converse with us? I know many here believe him to be an agent provocateur and have been subject to psychic attacks because of it all - but I am one of those who hasn't had this misfortune, and it's not rung any alarm bells for me as yet... so I don't know.... maybe I'm not as connected to my inner wisdom aas I thought? Or maybe I'm one of those for whom the information is meant?

I just want those few things cleared up for the benefit of me and everyone on here, so we know where things stand...... I'm a little concerned about some of the things I have read the last day or so..... I thought Avalon was beyond a lot of that, but maybe I'm wrong? I just wish for us to get back on track ASAP...

Joel

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No I cannot imagine someone , anyone, doing what Bill does and having to sleep in their car. With all the members here in nearly every country, in every state, spread all across the globe, I'm sure that we would have no problems creating a host system for Bill. And Kerry too as well. It would save them money for one.

This is precisely why I formed the Northern California Ground Crew. I was surprised that there wasn't one. I was hoping we would be able to support Bill, Kerry, and also David W. when they are in San Francisco.

[Rosco1]

Bill Ryan = Avalon

Avalon = Bill Ryan
You cannot have one without the other.

If you compare ALL that Bill has contributed to this site, then he is no match to anyone here.

Perhaps EVERYONE needs to analyse what drew them to his site in the first place.

Bill is a 'Light' in the darkness that surrounds our world.

People invest their time and emotions into this big family of Avalon, which is why it hurts when some of the family breakaway from here to lick their wounds and move onto greener pastures.

The rest that are left here need to settle back down and help Bill to bring even more 'Light' here.

Hopefully everyone could just put aside a few minutes of their time to send loving and healing thoughts to everyone else who is hurting on this site.

On another note, if Bill is down Dorset way then there is a place here to hang your hat!
No need to freeze yer nuts off in a car!

[SKAWF]

it seems like the things we might consider goals at the moment,
unity, participation in common aims, clear focus, drive, progress etc
are actually the basic prerequisites.
with them you stand a chance of achieving greatness...
without them you stand no chance at all.

its said that one candle can purge a room of darkness.
conversely, it only takes one person to f*ck something up.

[Mystique]

I have been watching all of this unfold.

This is such a microcosm of the macrocosm of what is happening on the planet.

I did not know, until now, what to offer to this because in my own life I often fail to fully shine a light on my own ego to see whatever it is I am attached to and playing out. Regardless of how "right" I usually "try" to be.

But it occurred to me, just now, that this idea that there is some "truth", some ultimate "right" perspective that is outside of me, or that I own real estate in, is in fact an illusion.

There is nothing that exists outside of my perception of reality because I am using my perception to perceive it with. Think about it. Can you think of anything that is outside of the perceptual reality you are thinking within? It is impossible - I think.

So, there are as many perceptions of truth in this situation as there are people who are perceiving it.

I think perhaps the idea of truth is more of an increasing ability to consider something from as many ways to perceive it as possible - from the left brain (rational), right brain (creative), under (the root), inside (feelings), above (the spiritual): from my point of view, from Bill's, Celine's, Richard's, point of view, from your and everyone's who has posted points of view...

So if there is no truth outside of my view of it, then the only way to get the bigger picture is to expand my perception to include as many posts of view as there are.

Maybe then, if I "drop it" (ground it), something new and fresh will emerge that will point towards the new direction I am sensing and am drawn here to realize.

Maybe "truth" isn't a perspective to argue and fight over, or even agree on. Maybe Truth is expanding my perceptual abilities to include everything's, and everyone's perspectives.

Maybe that is what it takes to have a "holographic" perspective - our different lights bouncing off of each others' mirror reflections and pointing it ultimately in the same direction - in the center. The center of each one of our own Being.

After all, the Source of ALL Life is creating ALL of us, right now, and we are creating ALL of this, right now, so ultimately to know Source is to accept it ALL, to accept us All, right now.

Isn't Source creating Us, from Itself, in order to Know Itself, from Our perspective?

The more we expand our perceptions of reality, the more we understand what creates it - and creates Us.

So, the question is, what direction do we want to direct our perspective towards? To the Out There that does not exist? Or the In Here that does?

[9eagle9]

I made the assumption there was one. Well if there is a ground crew in Cali, there's a precedent and its just a matter of organizing a crew up in other places. Assuming there's five members within relative proximity of each other in any given place it can become a team effort.

That goes for other members as well, at least for my part, who may have cause to travel. No point spending at a hotel, restaurants etc when you can impose on family A ground crew of local members may not be a bad idea for even non visiting-lodging purposes.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No I cannot imagine someone , anyone, doing what Bill does and having to sleep in their car. With all the members here in nearly every country, in every state, spread all across the globe, I'm sure that we would have no problems creating a host system for Bill. And Kerry too as well. It would save them money for one.

This is precisely why I formed the Northern California Ground Crew. I was surprised that there wasn't one. I was hoping we would be able to support Bill, Kerry, and also David W. when they are in San Francisco.

[granny]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Posted by Ahkenaten (here)
So..............it just as Alice said, gets curioser and curioser.........AND SADDER AND SADDER AND DARKER AND DARKER. It is not a joke. This is real life here. Hmmmm...... I see some threads here: so Charles and Bill have an "Arthurian" connection on several levels that is playing out. One element of the destructive forces at work in here display other symbolism, namely the symbols of the ancient Tarot (cups, wands, coins and swords.) Women, wolves, wands, swords, coins, cups, and Gypsies (known for divination and necromancy using Tarot cards.) There are some very dark forces at work here, people and this ain't pretty on any level. I personally still have no idea who or what has been using PA as its chessboard/battlefield 'though I have a few theories, - but this, IMO - goes way, way beyond personality conflicts and workplace/disciplinary issues! I wish whoever, or WHATEVER has come in here to create discord and push things past the tipping point (under the principle of Order Out of Chaos) would pull up their long skirts and hoods and leave. This stinks and is not right on any level. What is manifesting here originates at the energetic level. Perhaps we should all look into our hearts and perform an exorcism, if need be, because one is clearly needed. And that includes me! This is not fake human suffering happening here, this is not virtual destruction, this is real. And for those who think they may they have won a skirmish in a larger war here, Karma is real, and there is no avoiding the consequences of our own actions. This is a play of ALL of our making! Is THIS what the Creator wishes us to do with our lives and energy? No, it sounds like the work of something quite different that does not love us and does not wish us well.

I still have hope that we can carry on, with the discernment not to be led around by our you-know-whats by the dark side of inner natures, and of others.

I personally hate to see the grim Jolly Roger hoisted over this place. Everyone is bleeding here, even if they do not know it yet. This is a very bad thing done here.

Sincerely,

Ahk

Ahkenaten. do you want me to declare to you all this about the sword, coin. cup. and wand?

In that case I do it here in the open so that everybody have the same chance to understand the meaning.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
Fair enough.... Top Shelf Margarita please!

Gosh, I can't turn my back for a second ~ Gotta watch you guys every moment!

.......Ok?

The coming of the age of Aquarius....The age of Aquarius... is one of communication.

Shocking change is also Aquarius energies. Ruler: Uranus.

Also rules the internet and electricity.

The ninth day is too short ........for the action to take place on anything but a forum?

Think about it.

PS.... Calleman says the days/nights are......18 days long.

For us to evolve, apparently... we have to develop into an individual communicative/communicating individual- collective. And the next level is mental.

No secrets?

Yes ... Ninth Day ... Universal ... and time speeds up yet again. Enjoyed Ian Lungold's videos as well as listening to Calleman. My plan ... hop on my surfboard and ride.
Gran

[Flash]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by granny (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.

Carmody ...
Please explain ... it is getting late for me ... was trying to have open mind ... but you know what happened ... yep ... brain fell out.

The pressure is not freaking me out. it did, at first. Then i just accepted it. I'm failing to indicate that it is I alone that have received at least one personally (seeming) directed chemtrail. right over my house.

right at dusk, when the air in the area is still. I just happened to be coming home at the time and saw it --as it was getting dark. I had a friend call and then told them.

He didn't believe me so I said, 'Get in your car and come over. See for yourself.'

He saw them. He saw that they slowly dispersed over the house (I am on the edge of a city, in the woods), and were very low. Definitely particulate and not some contrail. Obviously a chemtrail.

You can then understand that... things are afoot, when that sort of event happens.

Happened on Feb. 9th, about 7:40pm est. (that I saw it)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS, I have stated that I precog the odd time. I precog things I'm directly involved in.

I precoged this entire (feel and action, not specifics) situation back in 1998-1999 or so, while in trance/meditation. (beginning of the mayan 8th world)

That there would be a forum..and a man would try to change the world......

I did a lateral shift through the world/dimensions/timelines....and worked my ass off to be here.

And here I am, in the thick of it.

And here we are.... days before the beginning of the 9th.

You are certainly aware of smart dust Carmody. It si not yet completely perfected for land use, therefore they would probably have to fly low for such use. See my thread on this if needed.

[granny]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Shairia (here)
Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

Nah ... strange is beautiful.

[9eagle9]

I was born a gigantic 10 pound premature black baby. I'm a karmic debt my racist mother had to pay. I think I fulfilled my entire life purpose the first month of life.

[An Cailleach]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I was born a gigantic 10 pound premature black baby. I'm a karmic debt my racist mother had to pay. I think I fulfilled my entire life purpose the first month of life.

Jeeze...10lbs and PREMATURE. Good job your mum didn't go full term. Ouch! LOL

[9eagle9]

She did go full term. Unfortunately her marriage certificate didn't match up to my gestation period.

[Sunshine]

Posted by Flash (here)
I have the greatest respect for you Bill, and your last post just enhanced it. From what I just read, I know you will forgive even if you don't reinstate. Thank you for taking care of the underdogs all your life.

But please, if you ever come in Montreal, you have a place to sleep, please don't stay in your car. Reading this broke my heart. You are really giving it all, I appreciate, knowing that I don't know how difficult it may be.

Thanks for your post, it made it much more comprehensible. That I agree or not does not matter, in your own, you did what you saw as the best.

I wish to second the statement that Flash made: The respect I have for you, Bill, has only increased with time.
Time and time again, you have shown that you do indeed move with the wisdom of a King Arthur (leaving aside Charles' thoughts on this)--you have done so, as long as I've known about you. And the reason I am here on Avalon is because you have continuously shown us here that you are who and what you say you are--I believe it too and I am so happy to hear you pronounce it, because we can no longer keep oil lamps tucked in the dark. You, more than anyone, know your own angels and your own demons--and beyond that, it does bring me true joy to read what you said about knowing yourself and being comfortable with what you know. I, for one, hold that state of love and knowing in high esteem... the world will be so much more loving when we all do such looking in the mirror--with loving, all-seeing eyes.

Oh, Bill, you broke my heart, sleeping in such conditions--why, Dear One, why???
Please, I am sure many of us here on this forum could not have that happen again!
It is such a sad and ironic story that you would ask for donations to help the world while you lay freezing in a car...

My house is yours...always! Actually, I don't own a house... I am house-sitting right now because I don't have a place to live, but when i do have a place I can call my own, I will leave my keys are under the mat for you. My word is my word. How can I offer you more support?

Thank you, Bill, for your courage, relentless courage, that you offer in service of others.

[An Cailleach]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
She did go full term. Unfortunately her marriage certificate didn't match up to my gestation period.

Ahh! i got the wrong end of the stick. A lot of questions asked once you popped out then?

[NancyV]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
[shortened original post]
1-As previously stated in this post

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
If the intent of Charles' suggestion to raise some money to help one of our members was actually to initiate some sort of broader movement which Aubrey had confirmed would have far reaching consequences, then the gravity of the issue should have prompted him to discuss it directly with Bill rather than go through intermediaries. That isn't what happened, so I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the real purpose of this incident is as Charles has described it. It feels much more like a set up, the true purpose of which remains unclear. It could be, as Inelia has suggested, an attempt to shift the focus of Avalon into the sphere of finance, which would make it far easier for the elites to control. It could be, as several people have suggested, an attempt to create division among our community. The fact that it has led to several people calling for a re-structuring of Avalon's decision making process, however, leads me to believe that this was its intent from the start.

2-Charles first claimed he asked people to tell him their eye color because it would give him insight into their character. Later he claimed that the purpose was to make us self aware of our composure. At the very least this shows that some degree of dishonesty and manipulation is taking place.

3-Charls first claimed that the plan was his master's and he didn't have the details of it. He later claimed that the plan was his and had his master's approval. To the best of my knowledge, no explanation of this discrepancy has ever been given.

4-Charles first post on the Atticus account(prior to him revealing his identity) was this:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...7148#post97148

The lyrics to this song are available here:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.n...256BC1002793A3

Not to read too much into someone's taste in music, but does this strike you as something someone who has come to help would post or someone who is gloating over the perceived helplessness of an intended victim, particularly when held in relation to this excerpt from a subsequent post:

Posted by Atticus (here)
Well it's proved one thing so far your predictable prey.

5- If Charles is being straight with us, then there would be powerful people with a vested interest in disrupting his efforts here. If he isn't being straight with us, then the most likely explanation for his presence would be to be disruptive himself. Either way, trained agent provocateurs would likely be planted in the forum. This most definitely appears to be the case, in that several people who joined the forum after Charles' arrival have seemed intentionally disruptive. If Charles is who he says he is, it seems to me he would have the wherewithal to identify and put an end to these efforts, should he so desire. For whatever reason, that hasn't happened.

6-If Charles is a benevolent force in this equation, then given his background as an expert problem solver, we might expect to see some marked improvement in the functioning of the forum. If he is here to bring Avalon down, on the other hand, we might expect increased disruption and discord. Should the latter be true and in light of what Inelia has called his "off the charts" psychic abilities, we might also expect to see some seemingly erratic and completely out of character behavior from some of our core people.

Which theory is better supported by the observable evidence?
[shortened original post]

Namaste
Rick

Thank you, Rick. Very well done and I appreciate your logical approach and organizational skills. I only copied part of your post and want to comment on how important the lyrics to the song Charles posted are, in my estimation, as a clue to who he is and his possible outlook on life. We are most attracted to music that reflects who we are and what we resonate with.

He also posted this in a thread entitled: LOVE MUSIC. hmmm... well, yes, I suppose if you were a spiderman (from the lyrics) entrapping your prey and sucking the life out of them... it would definitely be love music to you.

All clues are important to one who wishes to make an informed decision on where to expend their energy. Some people prefer to go with their feelings and instincts. I like a combination of feelings AND logic. That means assessing all the clues.

Your research is valuable and thanks for putting it together.

Nancy

[NancyV]

Posted by Sunshine (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
I have the greatest respect for you Bill, and your last post just enhanced it. From what I just read, I know you will forgive even if you don't reinstate. Thank you for taking care of the underdogs all your life.

But please, if you ever come in Montreal, you have a place to sleep, please don't stay in your car. Reading this broke my heart. You are really giving it all, I appreciate, knowing that I don't know how difficult it may be.

Thanks for your post, it made it much more comprehensible. That I agree or not does not matter, in your own, you did what you saw as the best.

I wish to second the statement that Flash made: The respect I have for you, Bill, has only increased with time.
Time and time again, you have shown that you do indeed move with the wisdom of a King Arthur (leaving aside Charles' thoughts on this)--you have done so, as long as I've known about you. And the reason I am here on Avalon is because you have continuously shown us here that you are who and what you say you are--I believe it too and I am so happy to hear you pronounce it, because we can no longer keep oil lamps tucked in the dark. You, more than anyone, know your own angels and your own demons--and beyond that, it does bring me true joy to read what you said about knowing yourself and being comfortable with what you know. I, for one, hold that state of love and knowing in high esteem... the world will be so much more loving when we all do such looking in the mirror--with loving, all-seeing eyes.

Oh, Bill, you broke my heart, sleeping in such conditions--why, Dear One, why???
Please, I am sure many of us here on this forum could not have that happen again!
It is such a sad and ironic story that you would ask for donations to help the world while you lay freezing in a car...

My house is yours...always! Actually, I don't own a house... I am house-sitting right now because I don't have a place to live, but when i do have a place I can call my own, I will leave my keys are under the mat for you. My word is my word. How can I offer you more support?

Thank you, Bill, for your courage, relentless courage, that you offer in service of others.

If each of us who are able to do so would donate even $5 every so often, I'm sure it would help a lot. I know many of us cannot afford even that but some of us can help out more often with a small amount of money.

Nancy