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    The US Navy in the Middle East has depleted its SM-3 strategic missiles against Iran - The National Interest

    American media explains why this is a dangerous scenario for the US Hegemony 👇🏻

    A single SM-3 used by the US Navy costs $28 million and is the United States' top weapon against ballistic missile threat.

    Washington only produces 12 SM-3 missiles per year. If Iran continues to fire missiles, American interests in the South China Sea and against the Russians in Europe will become very vulnerable

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1848035117190746427

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    https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status...79194153492761

    Talmudic-psychos : yup, another one for our dictionary, and most apposite
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    Israeli soldier now in south Lebanon:

    “The villages close to the border, two to three kilometers in, are being almost entirely destroyed. A lot of combat engineering forces are blowing up house after house, many heavy machines collapsing them into piles of rubble.. now the military are planning to man the border outposts again and create a 'kill zone' that no one will approach”

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    https://x.com/jmcevoy_2/status/1847889372965654708



    Article here,

    https://www.declassifieduk.org/revea...ort-of-israel/
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    🇱🇧 Israel to Strike "Economic Assets" in Lebanon

    IDF Spokesperson Hagari Statement:

    The Israeli military will target key economic assets tonight that are believed to finance Hezbollah’s operations. IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagari has urged civilians in Lebanon and Beirut, particularly those near the sites of these assets, to evacuate immediately. The anticipated targets may include ports, airports, banks, and other financial institutions involved in supporting Hezbollah’s activities.

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    So, a well intended question to anyone viewing this, anywhere: d.o y.o.u g.e.t i.t n.o.w?

    This is 4th grade level understanding here.

    Footnote: it has also been suggested that the very term antisemitism is in itself a logical oxymoron, which it may be difficult - or even a waste of time - to attempt to refute entirely.


    That's basically it -- to refute the entire philosophy, you need to be about eight years old. Nothing too advanced or complicated about the basics.

    When we listen to actors attempt their hypnotic speeches, part of what they are saying is to remove or prevent this simplicity.

    And, I think that's right-- "Anti-Semitism" is inherently meaningless, and only identifies the holder of Zionist philosophy, which of course can only function with multiple distortions.

    That same thing will get you through whatever I post -- even though there may be hundreds or thousands of details and a complex narrative, all of the important understandings are appropriate for an eight-year-old.


    It is a lot harder to teach and train this into a "vicious attack dog", because this uses lies and distortions to rupture the essentially childish value on life.

    It's no surprise that the aggressors wreck any towns they can get to. What is surprising, in their words:


    Israeli media: Hezbollah has turned Haifa into Kiryat Shmona



    That's in two or three days. Not seventy-five years of Nakba. Just a sudden turning of the tables. Not looking good for this "Tel Aviv defense line", or, Caesarea for that matter. It's not enough damage to airfields yet, for my preferences, but as we see, the actions are getting more powerful and twice as many. Such as:


    Zionist media reports blackout in northern Tel Aviv

    Israeli media: 15 crews are fighting fires caused by Hezbollah missiles launched at Safed

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    Israeli army is losing moral and soldiers are in rebellion - Israeli Hamakom

    The Israeli media quoted several Israeli soldiers who explained why they refused to continue fighting 👇🏻

    'We're sitting ducks on a shooting range. We don't understand what we're doing here'

    'The hostages don't come back and it feels like the soldiers keep getting injured and dying along the way. It all seems pointless'

    'I don't know what army they're thinking of going into Lebanon with, because there is no army. I'm not going back to the battalion'

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1848008582672814092

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    ⚡️🇮🇱 NEW

    Israel experiences a severe morale crisis in the IDF, with many soldiers now refusing to serve.

    The Nahal Brigade recently saw only 6/30 soldiers show up in Gaza. Soldiers describe a sense of futility & exhaustion, with missions being done "halfway" due to lack of men.


    https://x.com/MiddleEastIndex/status...01196771905722



    https://x.com/MiddleEastIndex/status...04509835915501




    https://x.com/MiddleEastIndex/status...04964502618215

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    ...I have great trouble just understanding you because in my opinion you mix up various strands of reasoning, letting out logical bridges etc. Please try and write as clearly as you can so that even a person with moderate intelligence as I am can follow you. Thank you.

    It seems to me that we are talking two entirely different languages.

    You claim not to be well-versed in biology but you adduce reasonings on the basis of haplogroups (which I am not familiar with at all). So what is the weight of your argument?


    Two of the darkest black friends I have had were Italian.




    My argument is a set of physical markers on what you are calling "Nostratic", or, part of it.

    Objectivity appears to contradict many if not most traditions and scriptures. In turn, many or most of those may have been "doctored" for various reasons.

    Without going into detail about the haplogroups -- which in this case we are looking at maternal lineages -- the markers tell us a few things about Ancient North Asia:


    Iranians and Indians last shared a common ancestor in the Ice Age, 10,000 B. C, E., perhaps longer, the two separated. This means from a European source that was also the first Americans.

    The wave going to India likely includes "Dravidian" which also inhabits the area now called Pakistan. At some point, this line proceeds into Yemen and Ethiopia. We don't know exactly when, because only living people have been studied, not remains dated to any considerable antiquity. Are these the "Sabians"? Were they before or after? I don't think we can specifically answer that, yet, but it is pointing to the origin of "Arab" and/or "Semitic" as well as "Sabian". We can suggest we are talking about large settlements because we are following the movement of women, whereas, in those times, it of course would be a male who might venture out on his own and start a family in some new place.


    Finally, getting into the thick of "Nostratic" and/or "Indo-European", we find a select stream of people moving out of the "Corded Ware" part of Europe (roughly Poland) and establishing a site called Arkaim or Sintashta in Russia. In actuality it was more like Ural River Civilization, having over 20 sites that each housed 200-700 people, where every house had a copper crucible. From around 2,200 - 1,700 B. C. E., they bred horses, invented the spoked wheel, and the war chariot. You will find the "stuff" spread everywhere, but where are the people? India.

    There are no Sintashtans in Europe.

    It is to them, that many of the academics want to credit Indo-European and/or Sanskrit. I don't know. What we have is a time frame for certain artifacts, and the continuation of their genetics in India. You will find the "stuff" appears immediately in the middle east with the Mitanni at the beginning of the Iron Age. Right there you get the masters of chariot warfare, the Sintashtans and Mitanni. High tech.


    The best papers on genetic studies have heavily-annotated references into the other physical sciences, but, to an extent, they make linguistic references as well, which means they immediately draw from Witzel and Parpola. Mr. Parpola's scheme is that the Sintashtans simply went to Syria, and then picked up again and went to India, introducing Sanskrit. This is refuted on the basis of showing the much older trade route, and the lack of Sintashtan genetics elsewhere.


    Neither one of them wants an Indian or an Arab to be credited with a brain, do they? "It came from the Aryan Europeans" -- or whatever they have been going for. Well, yes, the oldest Haplogroup U samples are European, around Romania at about 45,000 years of age. But we are not talking about very many people, and impossible to say much more about it. Sintashta was perhaps the most industrious place known to man.


    I am not sure how much it regulates appearance or "body types", the haplogroup is just telling who your mother is. This particular one carries the riddles of Dravidian and Sanskrit, and, possibly, Semitic and Arabic. To be specific, the Khalas people of Pakistan are so purely Sintashtan that they are the equivalent of their own continent, and, they currently speak the most rudimentary Sanskrit; whereas the Sanskrit we know is mixed with Dravidian. Compare "chowmas" to "catur masa", which is easily recognizable in Latin languages. If you bear this reasoning out, it means the people who once occupied all South Citral could not have been there very long, because they are Sintashtan, moreover, what this means is what those "Russians" have cleverly done is to place themselves at the pass to the Lapis Lazuli mines that have been running everything since it started, until driven back by Ghaznids in the 1100s.


    So the Pamir Highway was colossal, and, informative to the background of early Israel. But this kind of thing is not evident in stories about Noah and so on.







    Quote In that same order of things. What many “biologists” and “archeologists” (and historical linguists!) seem to forget is what on other PA posting threads has been explained so well: the degree to which our history has been thoroughly shaken by natural catastrophes. The explosion of Thira in the second part of the 2nd millennium ended the probably Semitic or Caucasian/Kartvelian first Minoan civilisation on Creta and replaced it with a Greek civilisation. It may have caused the demise of other Caucasian civilisations as well, replacing them with Indo-European and Semitic linguistic cultures.


    Another type of thing that can be reasonably approximately dated like a volcano is a supernova. There aren't really any verifiable expressions of novae until about the year 1,000. Although there were several within the time frame from cuneiform tablets.

    Is there any kind of period-appropriate remark that mentions Thera?

    It definitely was important; does it have any human story?

    Maybe it did, and you only say "the Minoans got blown to smithereens" for two hundred years and then you kind of put it down.

    They were connected to maritime trade, in multiple directions I believe, so they would have been missed.



    These probably were not important due to not happening:


    Quote The disruption of Indo-European civilisation was probably caused by the Black Sea catastrophe, the one of Nostratic by the Greenland catastrophe. Irrespective of haplogroups, genetics, material cultures (which are increasingly recognised as chaotic, complex etc.). As I explained elsewhere, Greek, Aramaic, later Latin became lingua francas and then the vehicles of civilisation, whatever the genetics, haplogroups or skin colour.

    Disruptions of what civilizations when?

    The second has a human story, from a figment of Ignatius Donnelly.

    Those hypotheses have too much against them to be desirable as explanations.





    Quote It is when the yardstick of historical linguistics is put to it that it can be shown that “Ancient Hebrew” and “Phoenician” and “Canaanite” are virtually indistinguishable – and that the memes of a "Holy Land” and a “chosen people” are “history fiction”.

    Might this be similar to the thousands of texts from Ugarit which existed ca. 6,000 - 1,190 B. C. E.?


    By the Late Bronze age Ugarit had a thriving dual-scribal system. Primarily it used the East Semitic Akkadian language which acted as the lingua franca throughout the region for diplomacy, business, and administrative purposes. In parallel, there was scribal activity in the local Northwest Semitic Ugaritic language.


    The impression I get is that everything was "fine" on an intellectual basis, that is to say, most pagan deities were understood as local variations of the same thing. It lacked contentiousness. No one would care if the Phoenicians and Egyptians had different names for the Sea God. Violence happened for more mundane reasons. It is not known what happened to Ugarit, but is speculated to have been destroyed by the "Sea Peoiple" who attacked Egypt.

    I'm not trying to suggest these were always completely peaceful times. Just that the appearance of "Yhwh" to rebuke "Baal" is radically rebellious to the entire fabric on a mental basis.



    Quote The horror of the “let’s butcher the Amalekites” clearly proves this “ex absurdo”.

    This being based from a post-Captivity redaction. It has nothing to do with hymns from the temple of Jerusalem. It does not bear out to be historically meaningful, like Exodus. The closest thing to that which can be found is that the people were already in place.

    My agnosticism has little effect on the fray, unfortunately.


    The map I posted is notably missing Eilat. That of course would have been the port for King Solomon, who likes the Queen of Sabians. And then it has short overland links to Gaza and Tyre. There's a heightened fusion of east and west. I like this part. I think it is pretty impressive the scale of things we can find going in to this era. Of the subsequent Judea, I don't know anything special to say about it on the spur of the moment.

    What is funny is the wrong question gets asked...Freemasonic ritual has nothing to do with King Solomon. Masonry, of course, does. It's not a ritual, it's a spiritual allegory, building the Temple of Solomon. It's not Jewish or Christian, it's historical. And it's not...looking much like itself these days, considering what seemed to be intact at the time. Now you can easily identify the real temple as moral fiber made of wisdom through pain. That will easily prove that any Third Temple built by man's hands is fake.
    Shaberon, dear. Thank you first for your reply.

    You are doing it again, and more so even. Mixing up strands of reasoning belonging to quite different intellectual disciplines and with a quite varying degree of probability.

    You come with “refutations” of the Black Lake/Sea hypothesis (it has NOT been refuted, the only thing which has changed with the “in 2 weeks’ time” first hypothesis is that it may have taken somewhat more time, like a couple of months or a year perhaps. You may compare that to the result of a nuclear war fought in two weeks or in five months. I guarantee you that the civilisations involved will be equally ruined whatever the duration of the “catastrophe”. The Black Sea thing has been proven by marine biology and by underwater archeology. The dating may vary one or two centuries.

    The Greenland catastrophe is NOT a hypothesis but a certainty.

    In these things I am like the geologist who discovered the age of the Sphinx. Egyptologists may continue waffling about their chronologies (all based on one source: Manetho!), it just does not count any more because its is physically impossible. One needs hard science to structure the past around markers which are geological etc., i.e. largely independent from civilisation. Haplogroups, motherhood lines (thank you, I suddenly remembered that) etc. all very nice – suddenly the latest kid of my neighbours has black skin and a hawk’s nose – but whatever, after a few years he speaks French like everybody else.

    Civilisation is about language. Tools taken over from a technologically smarter neighbour take on different meanings in the recipient civilisation. We should study those meanings. In his introduction to Dolgopolsky’s team’s Nostratic Dictionary, Colin Renfrew weaves interesting thought structures about archaeological findings throughout Eurasia that might substantialise the speakers of Nostratic. Much like you suggest in the beginning of this posting actually.

    Well, interesting though it may be, it is inconsequential. The coherence of languages (like the provable, or rather “plausibilisable” Nostratic coherence of language families the Nostraticists have uncovered) is an objective fact independent from pottery or chariot finds. Because those pots and those chariots do not speak. They will only speak if there is text on them. And if we are able to decipher this text.

    You seem to waive my statements about Crete. Well, I have a nice language course for you which might teach you something – at least if you find sudoku a charming little game. Do read a serious book on the decipherment of Minoan Linear B by Michael Ventris. It is – I assure you - humbling. It took an almost autistic "medium-size" genius with a lot of luck to discover that Minoan B was a syllabic script used to write Greek in spite of the fact that it was actually badly suited to write Greek in that it hardly represented quite a number of ancient Greek sounds. It took a very sharp mind, a lot of luck, the presence of a sympathetic “old school” scholar and an Ocean canoer’s perseverance. The conjunction of all this has led to the fact that we can now read Greek inscriptions back to, well, the Thira eruption – and that we can safely hypothesise that the language of the Minoan A script must have been one of the earlier Mediterranean languages which was superseded by IndoEuropean (Greek) and Semitic (Canaanite/Phoenician/Ugaritic).. like Hurrian for instance. If only we had a Michael Ventris for Harappan/MohenjoDaran! It is language and what we know about it that gives us insight into the evolution of civilisations. And it is those insights which allow us to interpret the pots and pans, if I may be so uncouth. As it is knowledge of the physical evolution of the natural environment which gives us an idea about what civilisations have to contend with.

    Back to Harappa, and to refer to something more than pots and pans. The public water management systems in those towns. Would it not be nice f we knew how that civilisation spoke about them? We might have a clue then that would explain why the same water management system was not built in Ashoka's time. The grandeur of that quite spiritual, non-imperialistically imperial civilisation might have been an excellent recipient of the civilisational values of the Indus Valley civilisation. Somewhen the civilisational chain broke. What happened? Texts please. Uninterpretable, sadly.

    Or turn it around. Brazil is exploiting on a grand scale the Amazon basin. The Indians micro-civilisations (a few hundred to a few thousand individuals with each "tribe" (and "linguistic culture"!)) will have vanished in half a century. Not only Brazilified - that might be useful – but also deprived of their own civilisations. If only they had had the time to recover more thoroughly from the natural catastrophe (and cultural onslaught after the Inca Empire’s collapse) they had to endure and created "intermediate" civilisational layers (like the ones that more or less secured Guarani, Quechua civilisations in the Spanish-speaking world).. they would be able to preserve their civilisational repository. Think in comparison how bruised, wounded, almost mortally wounded North American Indian civilisations are – smothered by New Agey romanticism..

    It is the dialectic of linguistically transmitted civilisation as the result of an engagement between Man and Nature that can teach us things.

    ***

    Linguistics, then. You ask:

    Might this be similar to the thousands of texts from Ugarit which existed ca. 6,000 - 1,190 B. C. E.?

    We have texts from -1,300 onwards. (Again that “Thira threshold”. You can see how that coincides with “Minoan B” Greek. Ugaritic used a syllabary that was simpler than Minoan B, an “almost alphabetical” evolution of cuneiform. But the real breakthrough came with the Semitic “real alphabets” (Phoenician, Canaanite-Hebrew) which rather look like evolutions of the "alphabet" part of the Egyptian writing symbols. Note that the age of Ugarit, like the age of Jericho for instance teach us nothing about the civilisations ("linguistic cultures”) that lived there and when they did. As I rote elsewhere, my guess is that these towns became Semitic (“Semitic-speaking = “peopled by a Semitic civilisation”) after the Thira eruption (roughly 1,500 BCE, actually there is a quite precise date I forgot). It is our understanding of the “quasi alphabetical” set of cuneiform-like symbols which renders Ugarit’s treasure trove of texts readable to us now — as Ventris’ Minoan B decipherment unveiled Ancient Greek.

    About the older layers of those towns (cf. Troy) we have only hypotheses which cannot pre proven. We have names, toponyms, probable borrowings by languages we understand more or less well (Akkadian, Egyptian, Hittite, Vedic/Sanskrit, Old Persian/Avestan...).

    By any means, researchers should wish each other good luck. Like Michael Ventris' luck.
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    Not to bump myself up as a person – but it is exactly such consideration which has led me to consistently use the term "Zionist Antisemite Colony” for Israel.

    The concept of “antisemitism” has been perfidiously shifted by Zionist and Zionism-loving characters to mean “anti-Jewish” (and lately even “anti-Zionist”) – which is not only perfidious but also nonsense. The concept of anti-Jewishness is best represented by the word “anti-Jewish”. It then follows automatically that “anti-Jewishness” or “anti-Judaism” denotes actions, thoughts etc. that oppose the Jewish religion. All measures that target non-Zionist Jews (and hence, which follows logically, the Zionist actions and thoughts that target non-Zionist Jews) are anti-Jewish. Zionism is profoundly anti-Jewish. Many Jews – pious Jews – say that.

    However, because (1) Zionism has created this new category of non-human humans they call “Amelekites”, and those “Amelekites” are Arabs, and (2) Arabs are Semites in the sense that Arabic, the language of the Arabs, is a Semitic language, it follows that “anti-amalekite” Zionism is antisemitic.

    Zionism is then doubly antisemitic: by targeting non-Zionist Semitic Jews and by targeting Semitic Arabs.

    Using those words in such a way creates great clarity.

    The classical antisemites in the countries of the West who were and are called that way because they were/are anti-Jewish are then brought home as well to the real meaning of that descriptive. Indeed they are antisemitic because they hate the pious non-Zionist Jews in their “funny clothes” AND they are antisemitic because they hate all things Arabic with strong determination.
    100%

    At last!! Someone cracks open a bottle of Clarity

    Those clearly articulated definitions ought to be clear to everyone: alas, not. Even some dear members here seem to struggle with it. Just as the true anti-Semites (The Zionists) would wish, by design: confuse, conflate. We have Moritz Steinschneider to blame for this, amongst others.

    From the Torah Judaism folks on X, and they know:
    Rabbi Chaim Brisker, one of the greatest rabbis a century ago, once said: “There have been many heretical groups in Jewish history, but Zionism is the worst. The Torah teaches Jews to be a moderate and peaceful people in the world. Zionism, on the other hand, tries to achieve its goals by distorting Judaism, oppressing people, usurping lands belonging to others, and doing every abomination prohibited by the Torah. The principles taught by Zionism are to steal, kill, usurp lands and exile people. Zionism is contrary to all the fundamental principles of Judaism".
    So, a well intended question to anyone viewing this, anywhere: d.o y.o.u g.e.t i.t n.o.w?

    This is 4th grade level understanding here.

    Footnote: it has also been suggested that the very term antisemitism is in itself a logical oxymoron, which it may be difficult - or even a waste of time - to attempt to refute entirely. I quite like it. And it makes good sense.

    This from a modern-day Druid, Dr. Thomas Clough Daffern (which I have shared on the forum before), page 18:
    "To Druid thinkers, whether of ancient times, or modern times, the whole notion of anti-Semitism would have been a logical oxymoron: the Semite is etymologically the one who listens, the people who hear – and Phoenicians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Hebrews and Arabs were all from this conglomeration of tribal peoples. Their complex ancient mythological stories, partly inherited from their mysterious Sumerian cultural progenitors, in many ways echo the complex pantheons and legends of the Celts and their Druids. Future transpersonal historians will probably discover that Indo-European languages, with all their mythological complexities, and Semitic languages and their own mythological pantheons, are all interconnected and can be jointly traced back to far more ancient Asian, European, Egyptian and African common ancestries."
    Tintin, thank you very much. Thank you also for this quote from Thomas Clough Daffern, with which I agree fully – but would put a little question mark (like “it is not excluded but provable with difficulty for now”) after the idea that the "sem“ root and the radical for "listening" is the same. They are not actually but their difference could be the result of of a later differentiation of the same root.

    On the other hand, I remember having criticised on this site a posting that postulated a close relationship between Celtic and Semitic. My main idea being that Celtic as Indo-European is of course related to Semitic (as any other Indo-European subgroup, like Slavonic for instance would be) because Semitic belongs to the Nostratic macro family as Indo-European does. The truth is however that there is a quite separate, striking syntax-related (and not just word-root related) “undercurrent” which renders Celtic syntax quite similar to Semitic syntax. Given the “historical depth” of syntax (with the passage of time, syntax changes less fast than words, to put it very roughly) this presupposes a less than “by chance” “kinship”, or rather than kinship maybe, a prolonged neighbour-ship between Celtic Indo-European specifically and Semitic.

    Coming back to my "definitions”: I consider the insistence on the combination "antisemitic" with "Zionism” as a form of "counter-propaganda".. and hence would recommend all "sympathetic souls" to start using it – if only to break the habits of the dazed propaganda victims and of course to thwart the efforts of Western governments and their propagandists.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    So, a well intended question to anyone viewing this, anywhere: d.o y.o.u g.e.t i.t n.o.w?

    This is 4th grade level understanding here.

    Footnote: it has also been suggested that the very term antisemitism is in itself a logical oxymoron, which it may be difficult - or even a waste of time - to attempt to refute entirely.


    That's basically it -- to refute the entire philosophy, you need to be about eight years old. Nothing too advanced or complicated about the basics.

    When we listen to actors attempt their hypnotic speeches, part of what they are saying is to remove or prevent this simplicity.

    And, I think that's right-- "Anti-Semitism" is inherently meaningless, and only identifies the holder of Zionist philosophy, which of course can only function with multiple distortions.

    That same thing will get you through whatever I post -- even though there may be hundreds or thousands of details and a complex narrative, all of the important understandings are appropriate for an eight-year-old.


    It is a lot harder to teach and train this into a "vicious attack dog", because this uses lies and distortions to rupture the essentially childish value on life.

    It's no surprise that the aggressors wreck any towns they can get to. What is surprising, in their words:


    Israeli media: Hezbollah has turned Haifa into Kiryat Shmona



    That's in two or three days. Not seventy-five years of Nakba. Just a sudden turning of the tables. Not looking good for this "Tel Aviv defense line", or, Caesarea for that matter. It's not enough damage to airfields yet, for my preferences, but as we see, the actions are getting more powerful and twice as many. Such as:


    Zionist media reports blackout in northern Tel Aviv

    Israeli media: 15 crews are fighting fires caused by Hezbollah missiles launched at Safed


    Hello Shaberon. I should have sent the following to Tintin also.

    No, anti-Semitism is NOT meaningless. It would be only if “Semitic” and "Semite” were meaningless. These terms are not. They denote a group of languages and their speakers.

    Let us not start indulging in “etymology fiction”. The link between SEMite and the roots for "listening” and "name" may exist, but is not entirely sure. (That is an issue within Semitology (the study of Semitic languages), which is not essential to explain here.) But even if it were undisputable, it is not clear how it would be an oxymoron to be against the "listeners", or the "namers”.

    Anyhow, the contemporary meaning of "Semite" is quite clear, and "anti-Semite" therefore has a clear meaning, the way “anti-Russian” or “anti-British” has one.

    Let us not forget that the meaning Zionists impose, i.e. that it would mean "anti-Jew” is an obfuscation.

    Let us not obfuscate the obfuscation. Let us fight it.

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    https://consortiumnews.com/2024/10/2...-and-its-here/

    SCOTT RITTER: Iran’s Bomb is Real — and It’s Here

    October 20, 2024

    For months now, the world has focused on the danger of nuclear war between the United States and Russia. But Iran and Israel could beat them to it.
    The outbreak of conflict between Iran and Israel appears to have changed Iran’s stance against possessing a nuclear weapon as Israel is poised to strike after Teheran’s retaliation with two major attacks of drones and ballistic and cruise missiles.

    Iran has issued at least three statements through official channels since April that has opened the door to the possibility of religious edicts against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons being rescinded.

    The circumstances which Iran has said must exist to justify this reversal appear to have now been met.

    No mere threats, these statements issued by Teheran should be viewed as declaratory policy indicating Iran has already made the decision to obtain a nuclear weapon; that the means to do so are already in place and that this decision can be implemented in a matter of days once the final political order is given.

    The religious fatwa against possessing nuclear weapons was issued in October 2003 by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. It reads:

    “We believe that adding to nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical weapons and biological weapons, are a serious threat to humanity…[w]e consider the use of these weapons to be haram (forbidden), and the effort to protect mankind from this great disaster is everyone’s duty.”

    However, the Shia faith holds that fatwas are not inherently permanent, and Islamic jurists can reinterpret the scripture in accord with the needs of time.

    Shortly after Iran launched Operation True Promise against Israel in April, Ahmad Haghtalab, an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commander responsible for the security for Iran’s nuclear sites, declared:

    “If [Israel] wants to exploit the threat of attacking our country’s nuclear centers as a tool to put pressure on Iran, it is possible and conceivable to revise the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear doctrine and policies to deviate from previously declared considerations.”

    In May, Kamal Kharrazi, a former foreign minister who advises the Supreme Leader, declared: “We [Iran] have no decision to build a nuclear bomb, but should Iran’s existence be threatened, there will be no choice but to change our military doctrine.”

    And earlier this month Iranian lawmakers called for a review of Iran’s defense doctrine to consider adopting nuclear weapons as the risk of escalation with Israel continues to grow. The legislators noted that the Supreme Leader can reconsider the fatwa against nuclear weapons on the grounds that the circumstances have changed.

    These statements, seen together, constitute a form of declaratory policy which, given the sources involved, imply that a political decision has already been made to build a nuclear bomb once the national security criterion has been met.

    Has the Capability

    Iran has for some time now possessed the ability to manufacture and weaponize nuclear explosive devices. Using highly enriched uranium, Iran could construct in a matter of days a simple gun-type weapon that could be used in a ballistic missile warhead.

    In June Iran informed the IAEA that it was installing some 1,400 advanced centrifuges at its Fordow facility. Based upon calculations derived from Iran’s on-hand stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium hexaflouride (the feedstock used in centrifuge-based enrichment), Iran could produce enough highly enriched uranium (i.e., above 90 percent) to manufacture 3-5 uranium-baed weapons in days.

    All that is needed is the political will to do so. It appears that Iran has crossed this threshold, meaning that the calculus behind any Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran has been forever changed.

    Iran has made no bones about this new reality. In February, the former chief of the Atomic Energy Organization, Ali-Akbar Salehi, stated that Iran has crossed “all the scientific and technological nuclear thresholds” to build a nuclear bomb, noting that Iran had accumulated all the necessary components for a nuclear weapon, minus the highly enriched uranium.

    Two weeks later, Javad Karimi Ghodousi, a member of the Iranian parliament’s National Security Commission, declared that if the supreme leader “issues permission, we would be a week away from testing the first [nuclear bomb]“, later adding that Iran “needs half a day or maximum a week to build a nuclear warhead.”

    A simple gun-type nuclear weapon would not need to be tested — the “Little Boy“ device dropped on Hiroshima by the U.S. on Aug. 6, 1945 was a gun-type device that was deemed so reliable that it could be used operationally without any prior testing.

    Iran would need between 75 and 120 pounds of highly enriched uranium per gun-type device (the more sophisticated the design, the less material would be needed). Regardless, the payload of the Fatah-1 solid-fueled hypersonic missile, which was used in the Oct. 1 attack on Israel, is some 900 pounds—more than enough capacity to carry a gun-type uranium weapon.

    Given the fact that the ballistic missile shield covering Israel was unable to intercept the Fatah-1 missile, if Iran were to build, deploy, and employ a nuclear-armed Fatah-1 missile against Israel, there is a near 100 percent certainty that it would hit its target.

    Iran would need 3-5 nuclear weapons of this type to completely destroy Israel’s ability to function as a modern industrial nation.

    Consequences of Pulling Out of Iran Nuclear Deal

    This situation came about after President Donald Trump in 2017 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — the JCPOA, better known as the Iran nuclear deal. The driving factor behind the negotiation of the JCPOA, which took place under President Barack Obama, was to shut down Iran’s pathway to a nuclear weapon. As Obama said,

    “Put simply, under this deal, there is a permanent prohibition on Iran ever having a nuclear weapons program and a permanent inspections regime that goes beyond any previous inspection regime in Iran. This deal provides the IAEA the means to make sure Iran isn’t doing so, both through JCPOA-specific verification tools, some of which last up to 25 years, and through the Additional Protocol that lasts indefinitely. In addition, Iran made commitments in this deal that include prohibitions on key research and development activities that it would need to design and construct a nuclear weapon. Those commitments have no end date.”

    Early on in his administration, in June 2021, after Trump had already pulled the U.S. out of the deal, President Joe Biden declared that Iran would “never get a nuclear weapon on my watch.”

    The director of U.S. National Intelligence said in a statement released Oct. 11 that, “We assess that the Supreme Leader has not made a decision to resume the nuclear weapons program that Iran suspended in 2003.”
    In the aftermath of Trump’s precipitous decision to withdraw from the JCPOA, Iran took actions which underscored that it no longer felt constrained by any JCPOA limits.

    Iran has expanded its nuclear program by installing advanced centrifuge cascades used to enrich uranium and scaled back International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) monitoring of its nuclear program. In short, Iran has positioned itself to produce a nuclear weapon on short order.

    While the ODNI currently believes that the Supreme Leader has not made the political decision to do so, an assessment published in July contains a telling omission from past assessments of Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

    The February 2024 ODNI assessment noted that, “Iran is not currently undertaking the key nuclear weapons-development activities necessary to produce a testable nuclear device.”

    However, this statement went missing from the July 2024 assessment, a clear indication that the U.S. intelligence community, due in large part to the reduction in IAEA inspection activity, lacks the insight into critical technical aspects of Iran’s nuclear-related industries.

    Senator Lindsey Graham, after reading the classified version of the July 2024 ODNI report on Iran, said he was “very worried” that “Iran will in the coming weeks or months possess a nuclear weapon.”

    What Confronts the US & Israel

    This is the situation confronting Israel and the United States as they decide on an Israeli retaliation against Iran for the Oct. 1 missile attack.

    Iran has indicated that any attack against its nuclear or oil and gas production capabilities would be viewed as existential in nature. That could trigger the reversal of the fatwa and the deployment of nuclear weapons within days of such a decision being made.

    President Joe Biden told reporters on Friday that he knows when and where Israel will strike but refused to say. Leaked U.S. intelligence documents in recent days showed the limits of U.S. knowledge of exactly what Israel plans to do.

    The United States and nuclear-power Israel have long said that a nuclear-armed Iran was a red line which could not be crossed without severe consequences, namely massive military intervention designed to destroy Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.

    That line has been crossed — Iran is a de facto nuclear power, even if it hasn’t taken the final steps to complete the construction of a nuclear bomb.

    The consequences of attacking Iran could prove fatal to the attackers and possibly the whole region.

    (Note: the above article included photos of the leaked documents, which have already been posted above on this thread)

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    You are doing it again, and more so even. Mixing up strands of reasoning belonging to quite different intellectual disciplines and with a quite varying degree of probability.

    You come with “refutations” of the Black Lake/Sea hypothesis (it has NOT been refuted, the only thing which has changed with the “in 2 weeks’ time” first hypothesis is that it may have taken somewhat more time, like a couple of months or a year perhaps. You may compare that to the result of a nuclear war fought in two weeks or in five months. I guarantee you that the civilisations involved will be equally ruined whatever the duration of the “catastrophe”. The Black Sea thing has been proven by marine biology and by underwater archeology. The dating may vary one or two centuries.

    The Greenland catastrophe is NOT a hypothesis but a certainty.


    ...

    By any means, researchers should wish each other good luck. Like Michael Ventris' luck.



    We are speaking in different ways. You are making broad allegations with nothing specific to back it up.

    I posted the man's mind that Greenland Impact sprawled out of. Here are two peer-reviewed papers that dismiss it:


    Requiem 2011

    Comprehensive Refutation 2023



    My interpretation of "certainty" does not apply here.

    I don't want to go too far into a derail, since methods of geological research don't quite have a direct bearing on the middle eastern conflict, whereas human and technological movements do, and this is reflected in language, which is notably recorded in the middle east in a way that has not been found elsewhere.


    Evidence has been found of Egyptian trade to the Ugarit area in older times but:


    Essentially all archaeology has focused on the Late Bronze levels, so little is known about earlier occupation.

    The city reached its golden age between 1500 BC and 1200 BC, when it ruled a trade-based coastal kingdom, trading with Egypt, Cyprus, the Aegean (primarily Crete), Syria, the Hittites, cities of the Levant (including Ashkelon), and much of the eastern Mediterranean.



    It has thousands of texts, and, they are from this period. They are in an arc from the destruction of Crete to the appearance of Semitic languages. So, my question would be along the lines, do the Ugaritic tablets mention Thera?

    Does anything?


    Those of us who are not linguists may have a collective difficulty tracing what you are saying. We have found folklore that the expression "Arab" comes out of Saba, or Yemen. The name and the language. Does this seem correct?

    "Semite" is our name for a language family. Do any of the ancient texts say "I am a Semite"?

    As far as I know, it refers to Shem, son of Noah, which perhaps would be meaningless unless you had Genesis in your hands. The actual Ugaritic tablets are older than Genesis, do they resemble it in any way?

    It would be hard to dispute the language family must pre-date the written script, so is the spoken form of Semitic thought to have any specific origin?

    Because it is in Syria, the dialects in the Ugaritic script are presumably closer to Aramaic. In itself, this is not evidence for or against the Hebrew variant. It is, however, a good look at the actual pre-Solomonic era of the region. Moreover, they are suddenly killed off, with no inkling of a cataclysm. Quite possibly a raid. Does this sound like a consequence:



    Tyre became the leading city of the Phoenician civilization in 969 BC with the reign of the Tyrian king Hiram I.


    Solomon's partner?


    While another important local center was Gaza, without regard for "layers" or continuity, in this same time frame, it has become dominated by the likely-Greek Philistines:

    Though the primary source of information about the Philistines is the Hebrew Bible, they are first attested to in reliefs at the Temple of Ramesses III at Medinet Habu, in which they are called the Peleset (𓊪𓏲𓂋𓏤𓏤𓐠𓍘𓇋𓍑), accepted as cognate with Hebrew Peleshet; the parallel Assyrian term is Palastu, Pilišti, or Pilistu (Akkadian: 𒉺𒆷𒀸𒌓, 𒉿𒇷𒅖𒋾, and 𒉿𒇷𒅖𒌓).



    These guys are supposed to be refugees, like the Trojans, and we smell a power vacuum and it turns out that, cumulatively, this is all described as a 1200 - 1100 B. C. E. Collapse.


    Hiram and Solomon would have been perfectly aware they were not building, but re-building something. There's no reason he would have sat around counting generations to the first man. I don't think anyone would take you seriously. Yet, if you could pretend to erase most of everything that happened before him, then you could do it.

    I think it is interesting and relevant to learn about the background and progress of historical Israel as it can be found in external sources. It gets rid of the clutter of unhelpful ideas ("Amalekites") and yet we are left with a metaphysical Temple of Solomon that is really not bad. A lot of bad things had actually just happened and he had restored normality, or even prosperity. So far, it seems to stand objective scrutiny, and, it is the traditional meditation of Masonry. Is it Anti-Semitic to accept Solomon and the Psalms and not really care about anything else that might be in there?



    As for the despised "Arabs", this intrigue comes from Theosophy in considering Aeschylus in Prometheus Bound when Io is told to go to the "Ethiopian River" which they claim is the Indus:


    ...its banks, from Attock down to Sind, were peopled by tribes generally referred to as the Eastern Ethiopians. India and Egypt were two kindred nations...


    its migrants known as:


    Sons of Horus or Blacksmiths of Egyptian records

    Quote The reason classical Greek and Roman writers speak of the Egyptian Aethopians was that the Aethiopians of southern Egypt were then considered to be the last remnants of an Aryan immigration from South India, which took place in prehistoric antiquity, and Greek and Roman writers not infrequently contrasted and identified the Aethiopians of Egypt with the Eastern Aethiopians. It was originally these Eastern Aethiopians who were known to the prehistoric Greek nations as the Aethiopians — the only ones then considered as rightfully bearing this name. These Eastern Aethiopians inhabited the central and especially the southern part of the Indian peninsula including Ceylon...

    We just proved this happened.

    I don't know if "prehistoric" or "Iron Age" is correct, and the travelers were most likely "Pakistani", but it sounds like the Greeks have a basic idea of this happening.

    The curious thing is that "Sabianism" is nearly universal, crossing multiple language groups including Iranic or Persian, until it is dissipated by the collective Abrahamic traditions. This is by design according to the twelfth-century:



    Maimonides viewed Sabian belief as idolatrous and antithetical to Judaism and claimed that the Torah was determined to combat Sabianism.

    He explains that Mosaic Law was deployed specifically to blot it out.



    It probably was, about four centuries after King Solomon.



    Unfortunately, "Queen of Sheba" lacks much validation, though evidently there is this belief:


    According to Arab tradition, the eldest son of Noah, Shem, founded the city of Sana’a...



    and this is a Yemeni Sabian text:





    Sabaean inscription addressed to the moon-god Almaqah, mentioning five South Arabian gods, two reigning sovereigns and two governors, 7th century BCE.



    It certainly appears to be their folklore view that "Semite", "Arab", and "Sabian" are identical. But so far no relics have been produced beyond the age of this text. Again, I am guessing the Israelite legend about Shem was grafted to them, whereas the other two terms are more plausibly of self-origin.

    I haven't noticed the current Yemenis saying "Anti-Semitism is untrue because we're the Semites".

    Seems like a dreadful name to use for a language group.

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