The UK Swamp: Order of Precedence & Who is the Boss?

[Hermoor]

The UK's order of precedence only became known to me a handful of years ago. Surprisingly enough I don't think it's been discussed on the forum before.

This is what the public are allowed to know about the UK's order of precedence. Notice at the top right hand side of the page are the orders of precedence for other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders...United_Kingdom

In some ways I think of it as a special lifeboat. Seating capacity is limited and it must be boarded according to the protocol of a strictly defined hierarchy. If your name isn't on the list, then you're swimming. Or you're in the mix, but required to work in secret. Or you're bigger than all of them with an even more special lifeboat of your own.

I'll summarise it in plain speak as follows and then branch out a bit.

Royal Family

1. The Monarch
2. Lesser royalty

Officers Of State

3. The Church (said to be the Archbishop of Canterbury)
4. The Law (said to be the Lord Chancellor)
5. The Church again (said to be the Archbishop of York)
6. The Prime Minister
7. The Lord President of the Privy Council
8. The Speaker of the House of Commons
9. The Lord Speaker of the House of Lords
10. The President of the Supreme Court of the UK
11. The Lord Chief Justice of England & Wales
12. The Lord Privy Seal
13. Lesser officers of state

Peers Of The Realm

14. Dukes & Duchesses
15. Marquesses & Marchionesses
16. Earls & Countesses
17. Viscounts & Viscountesses
18. Barons & Baronesses
19. Scottish Lords & Ladies of Parliament

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20. Primates, archbishops, bishops, Scottish Lord High Commissioners and Moderators

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21. Baronets, knights and holders of state honours. The two highest orders of chivalry are the Order of the Bath and the Order of the Thistle.

Straight away we have to realise that the British royal Windsor family are actually German royals from the houses of Hanover and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

https://www.royal.uk/saxe-coburg-gotha

This adds a significant factor of blatant 'foreign' influence over control of the UK. The same can be said for the Labour Friends of Israel; the Conservative Friends of Israel; the Bilderbergers; NATO; the WEF; the UN and many others.

There's also the most peculiar case of the square mile City of London. Even the Monarch has to ask for permission before entering there. Furthermore the City of London has its own government, Lord Mayor and police force!

https://www.thecityofldn.com/our-story/

Talking of the City of London....



That's Sir Evelyn de Rothschild poking the chest of the UK's monarch in waiting. The pecking order there is obvious. Then again, de Rothschild did bend the knee like a good little minion to Charles Hanover Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Windsor's mother to receive his knighthood.

There are a lot of curve balls in the order of precedence. A lot. It's an integral part of what makes the swamp so swampy. A simple example is Keir Sausages (and his tools of mash destruction) being beneath the Lord Chancellor, currently Shabana Mahmood who has been the Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood since 2010.

Significant others?

Strangely enough there isn't mention of the UK military in the order of precedence. The monarch is said to be the commander in chief. The boots on the ground chief is currently Admiral Sir Tony Radakin.

It's all a bit too quiet on the banking and media fronts also. Control of the minds and the money are arguably the two biggest elephants in the entire swampy room. Speaking of which, the UK is packed with Zionist groups of all descriptions and we barely ever hear a peep about them.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+z...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Ancient orders and secret societies. There's no mention of the freemasons, druids and satanists, of course.

The intelligence services and spooks.

Ultimately I come to a similar conclusion as Wade Frazier. The top of the human totem pole eventually goes non-human and off planet. Here's Wade's list copied and pasted from his own forum.

"My sense of the ranking of Earth’s power structure goes something like this:

That 25 or so at the top of the GCs (who are likely being manipulated by off-world entities)

The rest of the 200-300 members (a “rogue” faction likely gave my friend his exotic technology show, which may represent the majority opinion today, which is good news), and their support organizations, which are comprised of less than 100K people, I believe; they have underground and off-world enclaves

Arms of various private corporations, such as Lockheed’s Skunk Works, Boeing’s Phantom Works, SAIC, etc.; the Special Access Projects hail from those organizations

Legendary global elite such as the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, some members of royalty, especially European

Various clandestine governmental organizations such as the CIA, NSA, various secret police such as the FBI, KGB, etc.

Various elite organizations, such the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the groups that meet at Bohemian Grove, Jackson Hole, Davos, and the like; those kinds of organizations go way back

American presidents, who were handpicked by the Trilateral Commission, which David Rockefeller founded, for many years

Executives of leading corporations, and those who became rich founders, such as Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Google’s founders, etc.; they are the next wave of robber barons

Other heads of state, corporate leaders, and bureaucrats, including some American military officials

National, state, and local oligarchies."

Further observations and thoughts?

[Brigantia]

Absolutely spot on Hermoor, our pillars of power were founded centuries ago and are no longer fit for purpose.

There's an excellent video in PA's library about the City of London being one of the world's largest tax havens and its corruption but its title escapes me, can anyone remember this? The Bank of England, based in the City, also manages the monarch's wealth which is shrouded in secrecy; the monarch's will always used to be a matter of public record but this is no longer the case.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Brigantia (here)
There's an excellent video in PA's library about the City of London being one of the world's largest tax havens and its corruption but its title escapes me, can anyone remember this? .

This one I believe:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Secret_Cit...at_runs_it.mp4

[scotslad]

This is proving to be a bit of an eye opener and brain scratcher so thanks for sharing such a thorough and thought-provoking analysis of the UK's order of precedence and the layers of influence behind it.

I appreciate how you’ve laid out not only the traditional hierarchy but also explored those other, more hidden dynamics at play within UK power structures.

Your points on "foreign influence" and the City of London do add an interesting twist...
...especially the fact that the monarch has to request entry to the city. I hadn’t realised how uniquely independent the City of London operates within the UK framework!

Your mention of figures like Sir Evelyn de Rothschild and the global elite really made me think—there does appear to be a "hidden" and deeper pecking order beyond what most people see or even know exists.

I’m also curious about the role of ancient orders and intelligence services in this hierarchy, as you suggested.

I bet there's a quality manual or standard operating procedure (SOP) somewhere outlining an entire “power map” beyond the formal order of precedence

Could you share more about how these invisible forces affect decision-making in government and society?

And how does this all tie in with your point about Zionist groups and secret societies? Also, do you think the UK’s traditional order of precedence has changed much to accommodate these new influencers, or do they operate entirely outside of it?

I posted a video recently with "Danny Sheehan" a US attorney, who has been involved at a very senior level with the Vatican, UFO investigations and the "Jesuits", and he eludes that their involvement about "hidden" matters is at a very very senior level (globally) on many religious, political, esoteric, financial, non terrestial and economic matters. Any thoughts on that?

Thanks again—good topic, good discussion and you got me thinking

[Brigantia]

There's another tier to this hierarchy that is a relic of antiquity - the Lords-Lieutenant. The monarch has a representative in every county in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Lord-Lieutenant (or, in more recent times, the Lady-Lieutenant).

It seems to be largely ceremonial in these times, though they do seem to have some influence on areas such as their local judiciary; in the past they had the responsibility to muster troops from their county in times of war. Who knows though how far their power does extend?

Here's a bit of info about the role:

Lord-Lieutenants are the monarch's representatives in their respective lieutenancies. It is their foremost duty to uphold the dignity of the Crown, and in so doing they seek to promote a spirit of co-operation and good atmosphere through the time they give to voluntary and benevolent organisations and through the interest they take in the business and social life of their counties.

The modern responsibilities of Lord-Lieutenants include:
Arranging visits of members of the royal family and escorting royal visitors;
Presenting medals and awards on behalf of the sovereign, and advising on honours nominations;
Participating in civic, voluntary and social activities within the lieutenancy;
Acting as liaison with local units of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Army, Royal Air Force and their associated cadet forces;
Leading the local magistracy as chairman of the Advisory Committee on Justices of the Peace; and
Chairing the local Advisory Committee for the Appointment of the General Commissioners of Income Tax, a tribunal which hears appeals against decisions made by the HM Revenue and Customs on a variety of different tax-related matters.
As the Sovereign's representative in each county, a Lord-Lieutenant remains non-political and may not hold office in any political party. They are appointed for life, although the customary age of retirement is 75 and the Sovereign may remove them."

[scotslad]

P.s. I did smile when I uploaded the photo of charles above to ChatGPt and asked it to describe the photo. Here is the reply verbatim:

"In the photo, we see two men: one appears to be a British royal, likely a member of the UK royal family, while the other is an older gentleman who seems to be gesturing or making a point in conversation. The man on the left is dressed in a formal suit with a composed expression, while the older man on the right is leaning forward and appears to be pointing, indicating he may be speaking emphatically or expressing a strong opinion.

The interaction suggests a level of familiarity and confidence from the man on the right. His posture and gesture could imply a sense of authority or assertiveness in this moment. However, if the man on the left is indeed a senior royal figure, he would traditionally hold the higher rank or "seniority" in terms of official precedence.

Without additional context on the specific event, it's challenging to determine the exact setting, but it seems to be a formal or semi-formal gathering. The dynamic here is interesting, as it hints at a possible shift in traditional authority—where personal influence or informal power dynamics might be in play over official rank."

Not often the AI raises an eyebrow

[Mari]

I don't trust anything Wikipedia publishes. Hermoor is right in surmising that this 'hierarchy plan' is what wikipedia wants us to know.
Pure rubbish that the Monarchy is top of the list - far from it...its a long outdated shop-front of feudalism, which has more than had it's day, but doesn't know it yet.

I would say that the REAL powermongers here are those we know nothing about and certainly not by name.

Top of the list (and way above the capstone of the Pyramid) will be an off-world intelligence - some say the Archons or entities un-human in nature. All below are minions, serving those immediately 'above' them on the tiers but ultimately influenced by those off-world.

[Hermoor]

@Scotslad.

The crux of the challenge appears to be seeing through the veil between the esoteric knowledge of the few and the exoteric knowledge of the many.

All levels of those formally privy to esoteric knowledge have taken lifelong blood oaths to keep their secrets secret. Spilling even a few beans has severe consequences in the rules of their system.

My information can't be relied upon as totally accurate. We're studying a system that's an enigma wrapped in a riddle and tied up in a Gordian knot. I'm merely putting my shoulder to the wheel to keep the movement of progress going, no matter how small and slow. We'll get there somewhere down the line.

These people are absolutely nuts for their hierarchical pecking order. Rest assured when they all meet together in the same room they know precisely who's who and what's what.

Simple body language fascinates me. As far as exoteric meetings go, it doesn't get much bigger than QE2 meeting the pope. Who is the boss here? Who is dominating who? Are they being genuine, or acting for the sake of illusion?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ss6uHI22lok

QE2 probably came out of that one a whisker ahead whilst it looks like her husband and the pope were on practically even terms.

Is the pope really the boss of all bosses in the Vatican? What about the black pope and other characters we may not even know about? Is there really a grey pope, or is that a red herring?

One thing is certain. The pope didn't give QE2 a regular handshake. So who is more important to them, Christianity's God or Lucifer?

In a relative sense prime ministers and MPs come and go every five minutes. The parliamentary system is always there. Career civil servants seem to be responsible for keeping the systems running in there. My best guess is that the orders and scripts come from think tanks.

Monarchs come and go on a regular enough basis too. Yet The Crown is always there.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8885/

The heart of Zionism appears to be in Israel. Those who wear the public masks of Israel and Judaism appear to be massively and uncommonly influential in global media and finance. Control is the number one objective of the power thirsty. Control comes through the mind and money makes the world go round.

Why is AIPAC so influential in America? Why is more than half of Keir Sausages' (chapeau, Tintin) cabinet members of the Labour Friends of Israel? Why don't we have the Friends of Ireland, France or Zanzibar fiddling around with our levers of power?

Your Danny Sheehan video is on my to watch list, thanks. Yesterday I listened to Richter's video with Randall Nickerson, he's been through some heavy weather.

Ultimately I think non-humans are running our planet. I've seen all manner of UFOs with my own eyes. Some of them were absolutely not the result of humans getting clever under their own steam with reverse engineering and whatnot. Some of them may be entirely neutral and just allowed me to observe them for reasons known only to themselves.

[Satori]

Posted by scotslad (here)
P.s. I did smile when I uploaded the photo of charles above to ChatGPt and asked it to describe the photo. Here is the reply verbatim:

"In the photo, we see two men: one appears to be a British royal, likely a member of the UK royal family, while the other is an older gentleman who seems to be gesturing or making a point in conversation. The man on the left is dressed in a formal suit with a composed expression, while the older man on the right is leaning forward and appears to be pointing, indicating he may be speaking emphatically or expressing a strong opinion.

The interaction suggests a level of familiarity and confidence from the man on the right. His posture and gesture could imply a sense of authority or assertiveness in this moment. However, if the man on the left is indeed a senior royal figure, he would traditionally hold the higher rank or "seniority" in terms of official precedence.

Without additional context on the specific event, it's challenging to determine the exact setting, but it seems to be a formal or semi-formal gathering. The dynamic here is interesting, as it hints at a possible shift in traditional authority—where personal influence or informal power dynamics might be in play over official rank."

Not often the AI raises an eyebrow

Thank you for your post.

I see Rothschild giving Charles specific marching orders. Wealth reigns over Royalty. The latter needs and yields to the former. The former engages and binds the latter.

[meat suit]

Posted by scotslad (here)
P.s. I did smile when I uploaded the photo of charles above to ChatGPt and asked it to describe the photo. Here is the reply verbatim:

"In the photo, we see two men: one appears to be a British royal, likely a member of the UK royal family, while the other is an older gentleman who seems to be gesturing or making a point in conversation. The man on the left is dressed in a formal suit with a composed expression, while the older man on the right is leaning forward and appears to be pointing, indicating he may be speaking emphatically or expressing a strong opinion.

The interaction suggests a level of familiarity and confidence from the man on the right. His posture and gesture could imply a sense of authority or assertiveness in this moment. However, if the man on the left is indeed a senior royal figure, he would traditionally hold the higher rank or "seniority" in terms of official precedence.

Without additional context on the specific event, it's challenging to determine the exact setting, but it seems to be a formal or semi-formal gathering. The dynamic here is interesting, as it hints at a possible shift in traditional authority—where personal influence or informal power dynamics might be in play over official rank."

Not often the AI raises an eyebrow

Great post scotslad!
How about asking the AI who is likely the father of prince William via photos of himself, Diana, Charles and Jacob Rothchild..

[Matthew]

Thanks for the thread! The satanic dogma they love also implies the demonic. Just as there are spooky off-planet influences throw in demonic to the hierarchy. Destructive manipulation, with territory marking and hierarchies of control is 101 demonic. From memory Charles Hall said the tall whites follow a Catholic type religion. Wouldn't satanism be described as a Catholic type religion if you were being coy? Anyway throw in the demonic somewhere in that hierarchy.

[scotslad]

cough. cough. @Brigantia, I was appointed Lord Lientenant's cadet for my county 40+ years ago (and escorted Prince Phillip at the trooping of the colour) never did get invited to any of the birthday or xmas parties tho

[Brigantia]

Posted by scotslad (here)
cough. cough. @Brigantia, I was appointed Lord Lientenant's cadet for my county 40+ years ago (and escorted Prince Phillip at the trooping of the colour) never did get invited to any of the birthday or xmas parties tho

That just shows that maybe they are not all bad apples!

[Hermoor]

Having rummaged around with the Avalon search engine I don't think this documentary has ever featured on the forum before. It's highly recommended for those of us who want to know how the nuts and bolts of this gigantic swamp system really work.

The documentary focuses on banking and finance. It details the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth.

From 2017, "The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OYfnkLurLA8

The documentary's information is largely buttressed and further enhanced by this 2023 presentation from David Sorensen called "The Mystery Of Israel, Solved!"

Amongst others it features more on the City of London, how "Israel" and "Hamas" are two sides of the same coin and testimony from former Dutch banker Ronald Bernard. Bernard worked in the belly of the beast laundering vast sums of money for criminal overlords. Eventually he was invited to satanic child sacrifices which he refused to participate in.


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/NjZ7YMyHpsnr


https://stopworldcontrol.com/israel/

Please also bear in mind the true nature of the hijacked symbolism of the flag of Israel.

The blue lines above and below the "star of David" symbolise the sky and sea. In between the blue lines is all the land on Earth. The "star of David" is a statement of territorial control and ambition. The Israeli flag symbolises the NWO and a one world government. The "great reset" is actually returning the centre of world power to Jerusalem as in the days of the T and O map.

[Tintin]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
Having rummaged around with the Avalon search engine I don't think this documentary has ever featured on the forum before. It's highly recommended for those of us who want to know how the nuts and bolts of this gigantic swamp system really work.

The documentary focuses on banking and finance. It details the biggest criminal enterprise on Earth.

From 2017, "The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OYfnkLurLA8

The documentary's information is largely buttressed...

Interesting, and perhaps only warranted a brief mention somewhere. It has however been in our library since 2019, here: https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Spider...ond_Empire.mp4

It's often worth having a look in there, because, you never know, I could have saved it already

[Sérénité]

At the risk of sounding like a complete fruit loop…an observation I’ve made over the years is that the majority of these people appear to have one thing in common, there is no soul behind their eyes.

Some of them do for a time (such as the late Queen and then Charles) but then at some point it’s gone.
Like the light went out and humanity has been removed, the soul connection has been severed and something else is now in control of them.

Tony Blair is probably the worst I’ve seen. Just looking into his eyes makes my hairs stand on end. There is not one shred of a human soul in that body.

So I figure the majority of these people in power are not what we think they are, making the real controllers invisible. Whoever or whatever they may be

[samsdice]

Posted by Sérénité (here)

Tony Blair is probably the worst I’ve seen. Just looking into his eyes makes my hairs stand on end. There is not one shred of a human soul in that body.

I totally agree with you on Blair. I get the same creepy feeling with Joe Biden.

[shaberon]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
Is the pope really the boss of all bosses in the Vatican? What about the black pope and other characters we may not even know about? Is there really a grey pope, or is that a red herring?

There has been some confusion over what LaRouche published, and how others re-packaged and re-sold it.

It is correct that the Orsinis held a "grey pope" office for two or three centuries, which is like a glorified tea boy, escorting foreign dignitaries to meetings with the Pope.

I read that therefor he controls the world.

In the Ukraine thread, we found his wife is Jewish, and an expert violinist, and took part in a concert in Italy, and I presume is still playing.

Objective analysis:

They're rich.


It was, I believe, King Edward who delivered the whole kingdom of England into the possession of the Pope in the 1300s.

It has never been revoked, but, after a few years of minor tribute, nothing of it has been enforced.

The Black Pope is the office of Jesuit General. English Freemasonry is Jesuitry, in the same way that France's problem was her Anglophiles.


I have things to say because I come from a long line of fighting the English government since the 1200s. It may be that the adversarial power is not a person, but, The Bank as an aggregate, its numbers, particularly in terms of National Debt which is really stuffed with War Debt. This is the cause or at least the fuel for most wars.

We almost bumped into this recently in the United States. If in our case, something happens so our Treasury Bonds fall flat, the United States will attack something. One of two things will happen, either the host country will crumble, and the debt is resolved that way, or, it will conquer new assets and satisfy the balance sheet. This financial problem is mixed with a terrible psychological one.

For most of the twentieth century, it was handled by Synarchy, which was primarily The Steel Cartel. These days, it is harder to tell, because the United Kingdom is too small to be a "power". Nevertheless, you still have MI6 and the mole system and The Bank in an even bigger way. I remember, for example, the Rothschilds selling their seat off the Gold Fix around 2004, because the nature of things had changed, like LIBOR rigging. At that point we knew that "paper transactions" made of "nothing" were of far greater value than anything.

My issue with what is said these days is:

How can you show the royals, or any part of government, or any private individual or minority of the uber wealthy are benefitting from the events in Ukraine?


I don't think that's what's happening. I think there probably was a strategy to scarf the United States for the benefit of those people or organizations. But Ukraine was supposed to be in pristine working order. So despite anyone's great ideas or system of influence, the Capitalists' War has ultimately been lost there.

[shaberon]

Posted by Sérénité (here)
At the risk of sounding like a complete fruit loop…an observation I’ve made over the years is that the majority of these people appear to have one thing in common, there is no soul behind their eyes.

For the most part.

This is easy, post a picture of some important British people, some American ones, and some out of the NATO countries.

Compare to any outer groups, Chinese, Muslims, Russians...I have a picture of teenagers in Niger that look like kids I would want to *meet*, and, if you really do post the three in the sentence above, I'm going to scroll right past it.

I never look at them, I don't listen to them, I occasionally harp on brief quotes from them.

It is nice, because all of the subliminal suggestions go away, because there is nothing behind it.

From the "outside", it seems to me that it should be treated like a drug addiction.

It's a certain look in these countries, the ruiners, those ruined by them, and a minority who must have used their senses to remain somewhat unaffected.

[Le Chat]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
One thing is certain. The pope didn't give QE2 a regular handshake.

It looked like a regular handshake to me. Am I missing something?