Ex Witch/Channeller/Shaman Saved by Jesus

[Mike]

Olam, Great post. I can feel your struggle there, and I can also feel your deep sincerity. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I appreciate this type of honesty, because it describes many of my own feelings. I was raised Catholic, and whether it's something spiritual or merely habitual, I have felt "the call" to return to my roots.

But what would that mean exactly? How would that look practically? And how would I reconcile many of my non-Catholic beliefs with church dogma?

One obvious example is reincarnation. I believe in it pretty strongly. I don't want to be a buffet style Catholic, picking and choosing as I please, and yet there's some clear conflicts there.

There's so much I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up with this: I had a dream once, when I was in my mid teens. Although I'd been a churchgoing kid and did religious ed classes and all that, I'd begun to drift away from all of it and was exploring I guess what you'd call new-age beliefs. Anyway, I felt quite a bit of guilt (good ol Catholic guilt LOL) and one evening I was visited in a dream by Jesus. He comforted me and told me my exploring was ok, assuaging my guilt. But the implication was, you'll find your way back to me eventually.

Was it just a dream? I'm not sure. It felt awfully real to me.

[Moemers]

look, here's the thing, and forgive me for belaboring this but it's the perfect thread for this thought

Human's role in the Cosmos is beauty and ceremony/ritual. We are capable of MUCH MUCH more than They think we should even know about and if you ever actually do any "New Age" practices you'll feel it happening, regardless of the outcome. When you're at Catholic Mass or in the woods or chanting with your coven around the rented lodge space or WHATEVER you will feel it. You'll feel your INBORN, BIRTH RIGHT ability to sing and dance along with the constant, ongoing creation of the Cosmos and MAYBE it will even "work" and you will have bent the arc of your life towards beauty and creation.

If suddenly one day a bright light appears and "Jesus" is standing there telling you the only thing you really need to do is to give all of that up and follow "Him" ...what does that look like to you?

What does it mean when an Entity shows up to you in the guise of a spiritual teacher from the near middle east 2000 years ago and asks you to stop being human and instead become a sheep in his flock?

[Mike]

Posted by Moemers (here)
What does it mean when an Entity shows up to you in the guise of a spiritual teacher from the near middle east 2000 years ago and asks you to stop being human and instead become a sheep in his flock?

You make a good point there, even if I'm not sure it's entirely accurate.

And don't worry about belaboring anything. I'm sort of thinking this through in real time and I appreciate your input.

The idea of surrendering myself to an abstract force turns my stomach into knots. And you might say that's all the evidence I need to avoid that sort of thing. But I'm not convinced it's all that simple. There are many things that have turned my stomach into knots that, when I took the plunge for one reason or another, was quite satisfying. In other words, is my fear the result of cowardice or the result of an inner guidance system warning me against something I should avoid? I'm honestly not sure.

I think we're always living in faith. When we leave the house and drive to work, we're living in faith...faith that the other drivers will be responsible and not hit me, faith that the traffic lights will work, that my car won't explode. We're always trusting in the innate goodness and competence of people and things around us, and that amounts to faith in God for me. There's always going to be an intellectual gap between what we know and what we believe to be at the other end of rainbow. Faith helps us navigate that uncertainty. But should it be Christian faith? Jewish faith? Hindu faith? New Age faith? No religion or faith at all? A hodge-podge personal belief system? I don't know. I'm trying to work all that out.

There's an argument to be made that any religion is far too structured and dogmatic, but I just don't believe you can live your life willy-nilly and have any kind of meaningful connection to God or the cosmos. Discipline is rarely connected to spirituality, but I think it's tightly connected. I think many people live life without boundaries and structure not because they believe it to be a spiritual way, or because they think religion is bad necessarily, but because they're sloppy and undisciplined and unwilling to do the work. Am I one of those people? That's the question I'm asking myself lately.

I just watch and observe. When a Christian ethos is lived out, at least generally speaking, among a certain populace, it appears to me to be the most desirable way to live and conduct oneself. I guess I'm describing what some people would call "cultural Christianity", which is the skeletal version without all the miracles and dogma. Even Richard Dawkins embraces this approach.

But he struggles with rest of it,as do I. But.. I believe it's all intertwined in elaborate ways. I think everything we see is a metaphor, or a symbolic representation of something existing in a higher realm. If a Christian ethos is lived out and is largely desirable, that might tell us something about what it represents in a higher realm.

[norman]

Posted by Mike (here)

I think we're always living in faith. When we leave the house and drive to work, we're living in faith....

'Faith' is the most natural and powerful state of being, not just for humans but for all life.

That's why whatever we call the dark-side ( or at least I do ) works so hard to hijack it.

Similarly, almost all people really want to do the right thing. That's why the dark-side works so hard to make sure people don't know what the right thing is.

Nothing intellectually reasoned and absorbed from the external has a chance of being a defence against that hijacking.

[Moemers]

i think Faith is a sloppy word and all it does is keep the sheep following the herd/shepherd. What you're describing isn't faith in God. God doesn't make the ****ing traffic lights work dawg. You're describing faith in a system that will keep everything moving and then ascribing it to A VERY SPECIFIC NEAR MIDDLE EASTERN STORM GOD that somehow has you convinced that He (lol) is the end all be all. He's not even the only God in the Bible!

What did your ancestors do to maintain their relationships? Who did they pray to? I'm not telling you to pray to them (maybe consider it though cause I bet they're ready and willing to talk to you) but I do want to point you in the direction that they might have been looking - at their ancestors, at their specific locations (sometimes hyper-specific - there are places where every bend in a river has it's own tutelary spirit) and for specific community based reasons. This has all been replaced by a God who hopefully gets everyone to work and home safe from a 2.5 hour commute alone in their cars and also happens to make sure the traffic lights are working so you can get to work. A 40+ hour work week is what Jesus would do?

I ask you again - do you present yourself to be yoked to a God whose first act of human creation was to make a boy that he could watch walk around naked in his garden? How many little boys did this guy ask for? - the answer will surprise you lmao.

When a Christian ethos is lived out, at least generally speaking, among a certain populace, it appears to me to be the most desirable way to live and conduct oneself.

compared to what? What else have you seen otherwise? This is what I'm talking about. There's an absolute dearth of other examples of how to live outside of what you're pointing to and I bet you that the communities you're pointing to are often small and maintaining their own needs and even if they espouse "Faith" in "Jesus" THEY are the ones keeping their communities together and that's the dance of creation that I'm talking about.


If you wanna talk about Mysticism and G O D that's different. Christianity might have been the way 2000 years ago but man...Look on his works, his "Mighty" and see the despair

[Delight]

The person who told her story seemed very calm, peaceful and her words sounded authentic. Lately I am seeing something that makes me wonder.

Having done research into the Jesus narrative, I have heard so many different srories. Experts have revealed their take and they do not jive. It is very interesting to me to hear that some people beset by a terrible energetic attack are "saved" by Jesus. It does not always work as Nathaniel Gillis (once an exorcist) observed. He now has the idea that all the demonic, extraterrestrial, etc. presentations are one phenomenon. John Keel came to this conclusion. Keel did not see the phenomenon as friendly to humanity.

Jerry Marzinski engages the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia. He is now convinced these are entity attachments.

Many many narratives of phenomenon interference have the same steps where the "entities" begin in a benign and helpful way and over time become increasingly tormenting. The torment is the important thing. If entities were always helpful, that would be ONE tHING BUT.... The torment, the inciting to crime, the increasing control over the human life points to malevolence.

My history with the Christ is that I love the teachings. I have a really hard time with the placement of Jesus as being 1. God. 2. Being the only path. 3. Being "my father". People seem to constantly use God and Jesus as synonyms and I do not grok that.

I am bothered that the religions see God as a masculine.

It concerns me to see how religions can be used to justify whatever the people include as part of the religion.

I never was a practitioner of any divination activity. I read quite a bit about the occult. Personally I did not like the Goddess stuff I studied extensively WHEN I deeply felt the POV excludes the masculine.

Mother Father God is real to me and I feel the Absolute. Why this IS, I do not know. It doesn't need a defense as it is entirely personal.

I have had a few very powerful revelations about evil IN MY ACTIONS. I feel 100% that I repudiate manipulation of others for any reason. I hear testimonioes which claim that because I cannot embrace Jesus as LORD etc., I am headed to hell. REALLY? I may be blasphomous but I do not want to go to heaven. I want to go direct to the Absolute.

I am having some daily struggles with the sheer avalanche of people talking about metaphysics. Honestly I think it is all astral stuff. It is not the TRUTH. The truth IS LOVE which operates on us such that we remove our shackles to self hate.

IMO self hate is what these poor people are being tormented by. Self hate MAY INVITE DEMONS OR WHATEVER IT IS? This is IMO the single most common teaching of religion. Fallen, sinful unworthy beings not even worthy of the crumbs under the Episcopal communion table.
NO. Just NO.

[norman]

I use the word faith quite comfortably because in my own lingual cerebral real estate I don't associate that word with religion. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that most people do. and in quite rightly rejecting religion they so reject my application of the word faith in the way I use it. Given that unfortunate issue, I'm pretty much on a hiding to nothing by continuing to use the word in serious conversation.

Some months ago, forum member here Agape sparked a little flash of inspiration to help me replace the word faith with a word more people might understand in a way that's closer to my intention. I know that's what she meant when she used her word for it, "know", or "knowing". It's distinctly in a different realm of meaning, especially in the current trends where it's quite common to understand a sentence like "belief is the enemy of knowing" etc.

So, I'm stepping into using the word know, instead, even though I'm very keen on sticking with the word faith because I know what it really means and if everyone I ever spoke to did also, it would still come out on top as the perfect fit right word for the purpose.

[Delight]

I listened to an interesting X space with Fringe who is an abductee and a man named Tyler Kiwala who has had some really interesting experiences and who has a youtube channel "Journey to Truth". He is an absolutely fascinating story teller. I don't mean he is untruthful but he has a vivid imagination. Also, he references multiple movies to give analogy to his story.

I absolutely believe some people are having extreme astral intrusions into 3D. I notice that people are having greater divergence in their experiences. I have said before that it feels as if the collective reality is shattering. What I wonder about. If there are entities with ability to penetrate our "ordinary" reality and this is happening more and more, I absolutely KNOW that a RELATIONSHIP with a REAL God which empowers us is necessary. The evidence is clear to me that I will not mess with the astral. In fact, in MY armaghedden scenario, what is destroyed IS the astral.

This pleases me to imagine because IMO it is the SOURCE of the mind parasite. IMO this parasite is everything ascribed to EVIL. IF it is the accumulation of our misuse of thinking, perhaps the oNLY way to escape "HELL" is to escape the sares of a clever, relentless, demonic type impingement on the psyche.

I pray that everyone feel what I do feel. Just by asking we may receive "something" ineffable but real which pulses life into us and lights the heart. The heart is IMO where the demons or phenomenon, whatever, cannot touch us without OUR turning hate in on oursleves. They can ride the hate. SO, if people can FEEL the Presence in the heart of God, it does not matter what they call it. If they are in the mind, they could "believe" many lies. The mind is a trap in this realm.

[Moemers]

lots of people are converting to Christianity as I type this. When real Evil comes into the world - I don't think that's being dramatic to say - people can recognize it. The only language they then have to describe it is ...Christianity.

Why is that? Why is a religion who marched across the world for 2000 years leaving burning pits of slaughter in their wake the one that people are turning to? I posit that when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Something has been inhabiting the Abrahamic religions and it's not who they say it is. It has been walking around for centuries in these skins telling people they can have beautiful eternal shining hope if only they just give it all up and follow Jesus. If you had an abduction experience and the shining thing in front of you said, "hey, all you gotta do is follow me and have faith" what would you immediately think? If you heard that story, what would you think? Because you're being asked to do the same thing.

I don't want to keep stinking up this thread. If you're going to pursue this particular flavor of spiritual dish then I ask you to read some of the obscure mystic stuff, like Teresa of Avila and the Gnostic Gospels and I implore you, please, keep your heads above the water and try not to let any get in your mouth.

There is a REASON that a Catholic Priest can stand on the altar, ritually declare himself and become Christ, pass out the sacrament and then rape a young boy immediately afterwards. That, in context, says something much bigger than we want to admit. And it's been fed for 2000 years and for whatever reason it's really, really hungry lately and plenty of people are offering themselves up to it. And willingly.

[Johnnycomelately]

Replying to norman’s post,, #27.

Posted by norman (here)
I use the word faith quite comfortably because in my own lingual cerebral real estate I don't associate that word with religion. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that most people do. and in quite rightly rejecting religion they so reject my application of the word faith in the way I use it. Given that unfortunate issue, I'm pretty much on a hiding to nothing by continuing to use the word in serious conversation.

Some months ago, forum member here Agape sparked a little flash of inspiration to help me replace the word faith with a word more people might understand in a way that's closer to my intention. I know that's what she meant when she used her word for it, "know", or "knowing". It's distinctly in a different realm of meaning, especially in the current trends where it's quite common to understand a sentence like "belief is the enemy of knowing" etc.

So, I'm stepping into using the word know, instead, even though I'm very keen on sticking with the word faith because I know what it really means and if everyone I ever spoke to did also, it would still come out on top as the perfect fit right word for the purpose.

Hi again, Sir. I like your affirmation of “faith” as a valid word for what Agape calls “knowing”. To me, they both mean near certainty of truth in judging an/some issue.

My best friend in high school introduced me to the idea of ascribing a percentage to how likely one thinks any particular idea is to being true. At or very near 100% qualifies as ‘know’, and justifies ‘faith’, IMO. Everything else needs more study, before embracing or throwing out.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Mike (here)
Olam, Great post. I can feel your struggle there, and I can also feel your deep sincerity. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I appreciate this type of honesty, because it describes many of my own feelings. I was raised Catholic, and whether it's something spiritual or merely habitual, I have felt "the call" to return to my roots.

But what would that mean exactly? How would that look practically? And how would I reconcile many of my non-Catholic beliefs with church dogma?

One obvious example is reincarnation. I believe in it pretty strongly. I don't want to be a buffet style Catholic, picking and choosing as I please, and yet there's some clear conflicts there.

There's so much I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up with this: I had a dream once, when I was in my mid teens. Although I'd been a churchgoing kid and did religious ed classes and all that, I'd begun to drift away from all of it and was exploring I guess what you'd call new-age beliefs. Anyway, I felt quite a bit of guilt (good ol Catholic guilt LOL) and one evening I was visited in a dream by Jesus. He comforted me and told me my exploring was ok, assuaging my guilt. But the implication was, you'll find your way back to me eventually.

Was it just a dream? I'm not sure. It felt awfully real to me.

Mike, about reincarnation, relative to Christianity, look up the 300-400 AD ~”pow wow of Micea”, where the teachings of one guy were declared anathema. I forget that guy’s name.

My best pointer is, build yourself your own ‘theory of life, the universe, and everything’. I think it needs only looking within.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hi Johnycomelately. You probably are talking about the first council of Nicea, held around 320 AD.
The guy in question was Arius.

"Arius criticized Alexander's teachings (archbishop of Alexandria) on Christology; Alexander taught that Jesus as God the Son was eternally generated from the Father, while Arius and his followers asserted that the Father alone was eternal, and that the Son was created or begotten by the Father, and thus had a defined point of origin and was subordinate to the Father. Arius accused Alexander of following the teachings of Sabellius, who taught that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one person, rather than the view held throughout the east that they were distinct."

That still would lead to a dispute today I think.

But the above is not an anathema on reincarantion in christianity.
Thàt came up in 543 AD, when emperor Justinianus declared Origen's teachings to be "anathema":

"Whoever says or thinks that human souls pre-existed, i.e., that they had previously been spirits and holy powers, but that, satiated with the vision of God, they had turned to evil, and in this way the divine love in them had died out (ἀπψυγείσας) and they had therefore become souls (ψυχάς) and had been condemned to punishment in bodies, shall be anathema."

Both quotes from Wikipedia as source.

[Mike]

Posted by Moemers (here)
i think Faith is a sloppy word and all it does is keep the sheep following the herd/shepherd. What you're describing isn't faith in God. God doesn't make the ****ing traffic lights work dawg. You're describing faith in a system that will keep everything moving and then ascribing it to A VERY SPECIFIC NEAR MIDDLE EASTERN STORM GOD that somehow has you convinced that He (lol) is the end all be all. He's not even the only God in the Bible!

Well, it was a metaphor I was making there. And I'm not convinced of anything quite yet. I'm not sure how many times I've written the words "I don't know" in this thread, but it would make for a decent drinking game for anyone paying attention. It appears you're arguing passionately against an opponent of your own making. This has become an exploratory thread. An intellectual exercise. So relax yourself, dawg.

Yes, I do think God is a He. No, I don't think He has a big swinging dick, but I think His energy is decidedly masculine, and it's reflected in our hierarchical structures. But - pay attention here please - I don't know for sure.

I ask you again - do you present yourself to be yoked to a God whose first act of human creation was to make a boy that he could watch walk around naked in his garden? How many little boys did this guy ask for? - the answer will surprise you lmao.

The suspense is killing me. How many?

When a Christian ethos is lived out, at least generally speaking, among a certain populace, it appears to me to be the most desirable way to live and conduct oneself.

compared to what?

All the Muslim countries, for starters.

[Mike]

Posted by Delight (here)
The person who told her story seemed very calm, peaceful and her words sounded authentic. Lately I am seeing something that makes me wonder.

Having done research into the Jesus narrative, I have heard so many different srories. Experts have revealed their take and they do not jive. It is very interesting to me to hear that some people beset by a terrible energetic attack are "saved" by Jesus. It does not always work as Nathaniel Gillis (once an exorcist) observed. He now has the idea that all the demonic, extraterrestrial, etc. presentations are one phenomenon. John Keel came to this conclusion. Keel did not see the phenomenon as friendly to humanity.

Jerry Marzinski engages the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia. He is now convinced these are entity attachments.

Many many narratives of phenomenon interference have the same steps where the "entities" begin in a benign and helpful way and over time become increasingly tormenting. The torment is the important thing. If entities were always helpful, that would be ONE tHING BUT.... The torment, the inciting to crime, the increasing control over the human life points to malevolence.

My history with the Christ is that I love the teachings. I have a really hard time with the placement of Jesus as being 1. God. 2. Being the only path. 3. Being "my father". People seem to constantly use God and Jesus as synonyms and I do not grok that.

I am bothered that the religions see God as a masculine.

It concerns me to see how religions can be used to justify whatever the people include as part of the religion.

I never was a practitioner of any divination activity. I read quite a bit about the occult. Personally I did not like the Goddess stuff I studied extensively WHEN I deeply felt the POV excludes the masculine.

Mother Father God is real to me and I feel the Absolute. Why this IS, I do not know. It doesn't need a defense as it is entirely personal.

I have had a few very powerful revelations about evil IN MY ACTIONS. I feel 100% that I repudiate manipulation of others for any reason. I hear testimonioes which claim that because I cannot embrace Jesus as LORD etc., I am headed to hell. REALLY? I may be blasphomous but I do not want to go to heaven. I want to go direct to the Absolute.

I am having some daily struggles with the sheer avalanche of people talking about metaphysics. Honestly I think it is all astral stuff. It is not the TRUTH. The truth IS LOVE which operates on us such that we remove our shackles to self hate.

IMO self hate is what these poor people are being tormented by. Self hate MAY INVITE DEMONS OR WHATEVER IT IS? This is IMO the single most common teaching of religion. Fallen, sinful unworthy beings not even worthy of the crumbs under the Episcopal communion table.
NO. Just NO.

Thanks for the thoughtful post Delight.

I'm a student of Keel as well, and he did eventually conclude that all the phenomena were exclusively (or at least largely) demonic in nature. I vacillate just a little there. If you read his books, the phenomena he's reporting on (at least in 'The Mothman Prophecies') are not your classic grey, reptilian, or tall blond "aliens". The infamous "Indrid Cold" was quite human looking in appearance, Asian looking, but more darkly complected. There's almost no mention of the conventional aliens in his writing that I can recall. So one could argue he was dealing with another phenomena all together. Hard to say.

re schitzophrenia: I think that's an entity attachment malady as well.

I share many of the concerns you do about religion. But at this point in my life, I think I'm more concerned about the alternatives.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
Hi Johnycomelately. You probably are talking about the first council of Nicea, held around 320 AD.
The guy in question was Arius.

"Arius criticized Alexander's teachings (archbishop of Alexandria) on Christology; Alexander taught that Jesus as God the Son was eternally generated from the Father, while Arius and his followers asserted that the Father alone was eternal, and that the Son was created or begotten by the Father, and thus had a defined point of origin and was subordinate to the Father. Arius accused Alexander of following the teachings of Sabellius, who taught that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one person, rather than the view held throughout the east that they were distinct."

That still would lead to a dispute today I think.

But the above is not an anathema on reincarantion in christianity.
Thàt came up in 543 AD, when emperor Justinianus declared Origen's teachings to be "anathema":

"Whoever says or thinks that human souls pre-existed, i.e., that they had previously been spirits and holy powers, but that, satiated with the vision of God, they had turned to evil, and in this way the divine love in them had died out (ἀπψυγείσας) and they had therefore become souls (ψυχάς) and had been condemned to punishment in bodies, shall be anathema."

Both quotes from Wikipedia as source.

Hi Johan. Yeah it may have been the latter, I’m not a scholar and it has been 3+ decades since I encountered that idea. My source for it was not Wikipedia, but was said to be some legit historical record, which should still be available as a reference.

My intention, with that reference, was to say to Mike that reincarnation has some roots in Christianity. So, to not sweat that as a seemingly key detail of the thing.

I came to accept reincarnation as a plausible thing before I found the Christian teaching of it, from ‘conservation of energy’, when I began studying physics in high school.

[DNA]

We live in a time when multiple generations are suffering from cultural indoctrination and brain washing. We live in a time where single parent homes have children raised by the state.

A confused lost and in many ways morally compromised society needs religion for its strong ethical framework.

We don't have time to create a new one so Christianity will have to do.

Look at the greater portion of Trump supporters. A lot of them, maybe even the greater portion of them are dumb asses but they are Christian, they know what is right and wrong. This religious core is the commonality among those against the globalists. Something to encourage and well join even if you're only there doing lip service.
I go to church. I take my family to church.
It's hard sometimes.
I KNOW the truth.
I know what's going on.
But that's not what is important right now.
Encouraging this and making friends with high morals and down to earth people.
That's what is important.
We can't just sit around on the computer we have to find a way into our neighborhood and network and bond. Religion helps us do this.

Society is a school for young souls.
Old souls become loners.
But we don't have the luxury of sitting in our cave on a mountain top anymore.
And secularism hasn't worked at all in replacing religion. These young soul assholes need the threat of eternal damnation in a fiery lake of lava to tow the line. So yes. Give them that.

In Jesus name Amen

[norman]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)

Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
Hi Johnycomelately. You probably are talking about the first council of Nicea, held around 320 AD.
The guy in question was Arius.

"Arius criticized Alexander's teachings (archbishop of Alexandria) on Christology; Alexander taught that Jesus as God the Son was eternally generated from the Father, while Arius and his followers asserted that the Father alone was eternal, and that the Son was created or begotten by the Father, and thus had a defined point of origin and was subordinate to the Father. Arius accused Alexander of following the teachings of Sabellius, who taught that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one person, rather than the view held throughout the east that they were distinct."

That still would lead to a dispute today I think.

But the above is not an anathema on reincarantion in christianity.
Thàt came up in 543 AD, when emperor Justinianus declared Origen's teachings to be "anathema":

"Whoever says or thinks that human souls pre-existed, i.e., that they had previously been spirits and holy powers, but that, satiated with the vision of God, they had turned to evil, and in this way the divine love in them had died out (ἀπψυγείσας) and they had therefore become souls (ψυχάς) and had been condemned to punishment in bodies, shall be anathema."

Both quotes from Wikipedia as source.

Hi Johan. Yeah it may have been the latter, I’m not a scholar and it has been 3+ decades since I encountered that idea. My source for it was not Wikipedia, but was said to be some legit historical record, which should still be available as a reference.

My intention, with that reference, was to say to Mike that reincarnation has some roots in Christianity. So, to not sweat that as a seemingly key detail of the thing.

I came to accept reincarnation as a plausible thing before I found the Christian teaching of it, from ‘conservation of energy’, when I began studying physics in high school.

I have to call this an opinion, but it doesn't feel like one to me.


Once you've experienced what faith really is. reincarnation becomes a secondary matter and mainly a subject the intellect plays with while it's being so constantly distracted from living in faith.

[Akasha]

Posted by Delight (here)
.....The truth IS LOVE which operates on us such that we remove our shackles to self hate.....

YES, Delight!

Once we have gnosis of love, faith and belief fall by the wayside......where they belong.

My “fundamental” issue with xstianity (spelled that way because it is not "anointed") is that it requires one to relinquish their universal sovereignty, consciousness and personal responsibility, and replace it with scape-goat, blood ritual mumbo-jumbo. Talk about a rough trade.

[norman]

Love is a pretty good word for it but it gets badly misunderstood too.

As for the mention of blood rituals, that's the dark world of fakers and the hijackers trying to flip the whole world upside down. Most days it feels like they already have. They've got all their bases covered including lovely platitudes. They've got fake versions of everything and have distributed them everywhere.

[Delight]

I only recently ever felt the Presence. It was a process of becoming in a relationship. It is real. It does not speak to me. It just IS and I find more and more that I am kind of in a harmony. Life is good. I do love to think about WOO! I could possibly be addicted to woo by proxy so I want to hear what people are experiencing in the WOO. MY only experience is that here and now is not being impinged upon by terrible oppression.

I may be wrong but I KNOW in my bones that this experience is ALL about meeting the Presence. WHEN you are in the relationship, you KNOW when you hear something that it rings like a bell or is dull. IMO we are in some form of the Valley of The Shadow of DEATH. The Inversion is all about death, destruction and mayhem.

When we have the Presence, we are guided, fed and supported. So, we can deal with EVIL without fear. In the Inversion you hear you are basically fallen and sinful so you need religion and threat. However, when you meet the Presence, you KNOW how loved you are, how well you are, how secure you are. It is not a mind experience. It enters into the fiber of being. One will be uninterested in the INVERSION's snares. You sort of turn right side back to in.

IMO this is not a real place but we are real and God IS HERE with us. This may be what all the saved remember?

The false light is not the Presenece. It plays on what we are trying to remember. However, it is part of the INVERSION in beautiful clothes. IMO what people are calling the Phenomenon is astral pretense in our minds. It is really important to be aware in the heart.