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    Here is a real 007 talking about Dr.Dee and teaching the public secrets of illuminism.

    https://youtu.be/WKJRgcnG7l4
    The Antichrist and The Great Dictator https://www.youtube.com/gridkeeper

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    The story of John Dee and Edward Kelley reminds me of the story of Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard. The sound of history repeating...

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    He got the mirror from the Aztecs, who thus had their revenge upon the Spanish.. and if you follow the story with calendar in hand, every time a Native American empire was toppled in the Americas, its spirits hauled to London to cook further mischief, and every time a vestige from one of them was recovered, the Hapsburgs or Bourbons suffered a substantial blow. Conquest of Petén-Founding of the Bank of England; discovery of Coyolxauhqui-French Revolution, so on. May write it up in detail one of these days.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanis..._of_Pet%C3%A9n

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    Interesting...Montezuma's Revenge?

    It would be worth some more detail. At the time, England was not really a power. Spain was, but in terms of wealth it was Belgium/Congo and Netherlands/Indonesia. England changed when Francis Drake captured a Spanish treasure train in Panama.

    The Benelux "pillar of wealth" was nothing new but was Venetian fondi, and people were quite aware about this, being flamed by Chaucer and Dante. This is what "took" England via Oliver Cromwell/Bank or England/House of Orange. And this is what grew to become the mightiest.

    I am not a fan of Catholic tyranny, so I can understand, at first, why this Anglo-Dutch axis may have looked like a good idea, although now we know it to be a scoundrel of a different stripe. So in reprise, some of the Catholic powers such as Hapsburg Franz Josef and the restoration of Bourbon Victor Emmanuel were, on a moral ground, superior.

    I would hold that some awareness of the dangers of the "new" English Empire or United Kingdom were understood by Marie Antoinette, Maria Theresa, Catherine the Great, and the American Founding Fathers. America saw fit to repudiate the British by attacking them; and bear in Mind, Russia is not part of this "Catholic or Protestant" rivalry, since it is Byzantine. The "two sides" were responsible for most of the European conflicts, but, it seems to me, in the age of "Synarchy", they merged into "one system", which has worked very well, until now, when it has been confronted by "the Byzantines". In other words, the Russian strategy in most of the world's view has very much exposed the propaganda of the Synarchist system as it tried to fracture Syria.

    Synarchy will use any sides and appear to be enemies. The older type of Oligarchy such as Venice really has known figures whose politics may be known. Synarchy is more like a shadow oligarchy where the responsible parties and their actions are much more difficult to determine; i. e. Rockefeller's sigh of relief about the reporters mostly staying out of his hair so "our plans can move forward", public scrutiny would never allow it. Those faces have no state or religion, merely labels, and only serve the system itself on an international basis, ready to attack or sacrifice anything they believe will further their agenda.

    But I think this, itself, may be becoming historical, as the "World War Two" system of mono-polar dominance no longer moves forward at will.

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    • Angel Alphabets-John Dee and Shakespeare by Vincent Bridges, Stars and Stones:

    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    https://www.astrotheme.fr/astrologie/John_Dee

    John Dee (July 13, 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was a famous British mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, geographer and occultist. He devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination and Hermetic philosophy.

    Dr. Dee (or rather Mr. Dee, the latter having left the University before completing his doctorate) paved the way for the study of science and magic at a time when we were beginning to differentiate between these two concepts. Renowned as one of the most cultured men of his time, he gave lectures at the University of Paris to packed houses when he was only around twenty years old.


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    A serendipitous 'bumping' here from lunesoleil

    I'd come across this quite interesting looking blog earlier today with a lengthy detailed entry for John Dee. It's a bit too long to copy in full here though.

    Link: https://www.metaphysicalarticles.org...-john-dee.html

    Title: Psychic Phenomena Case Profile: John Dee



    Biographer Charlotte Fell-Smith wrote in her 2004 book: "From the original (artist unknown) in the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford. It is inscribed on the face 'Johannes Dee Anglus Londinensis Aet⁸ suæ 67.' [This is the same age as this blogger is presently.] The portrait was acquired by Ashmole from Dr. John Dee's grandson Rowland, and was left by him to Oxford University with his collections."

    Anyone desiring to see the documentation for some recent manifestation of Divinity need only consider what is reported in the preceding blog article. Nearly 500 years ago, there was compiled one collection of historical records where the thoughts of the chronicler of supernatural manifestation are extensively and unambiguously defined. This is the extant collection of transcripts and journals of Dr. John Dee (circa 1527-1609). None of these writings were published nor intended to be published by Dee during his lifetime. A preponderance of what is stated in the transcendental communication correlates with what may learned from contemporary channeling case chronologies with figurative language implemented to avoid discordancy with what was accepted as having been established at that time in relation to beliefs about morality and cosmology.

    Previous blog articles about John Dee include "Some Further Observations about the 'Michael' Pattern", "In Comparison: Pearl Curran, 'Miss Beauchamp,' John Dee and Edward Kelly", "John Dee and Edward Kelly's Visitor from the Ascended Realm" and "Unknown Places of the Earth: Ramtha and John Dee's Spiritual Diary".

    The period of Dr. John Dee's life when he chronicled angelic discourses in Q&A transcripts interspersed with journal commentaries began at the end of 1581 and extended through 1607. Dee's 'spiritual diaries' suggest what life was like in England for one who chronicled diverse encounters with 'spiritual creatures' and 'good Angels' (including Michael, Annael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel), whom Dee solemnly embraced as unquestionably being God's emissaries due to the wisdom and novelty of their discourses.



    Probably the rarest book that I was able to purchase during the period between 1985 and 1995 when I visited antiquarian book fairs searching for literary treasures was a limited edition reprint of the 1659 book A True & Faithful Relation of What passed for many Yeers Between Dr. John Dee (A Mathematician of Great Fame in Q. Eliz. And King James their Reignes) and Some Spirits: Tending (had it Suceeded) To a General Alteration of most STATES and KINGDOMS in the World. I decided to read the book in its entirety in late 2006. The book's title page also divulged further contents: "His Private Conferences with Rudolphe Emperor of Germany, Stephen K. of Poland, and divers other Princes about it. The particulars of his Cause, as it was agitated in the Emperors Court; By the Popes Intervention: His banishment, and Restoration in part. As Also The Letters of Sundry Great Men and Princes (some whereof were present at some of these Conferences and Apparitions of Spirits to the said D. Dee. Out Of The Original Copy, written with Dr. Dees own Hand: Kept in the LIBRARY of Sir THO. COTTON, Kt. Baronet. With a PREFACE Confirming the Reality (as to the Point of Spirits) of This RELATION: and shewing the several good uses that a Sober Christian may make of all. By Meric. Casaubon, D.D."

    Illustrations opposite the book's title page present engraved portraits of Dr. Dee and his 'scryer' (spirit medium) Edward Kelly alongside depictions of famous men whose exploits were deemed comparable at the time of publication: Muhammad, Apollonius of Tyana, Roger Bacon, and Paracelsus. The portraits appear under the heading "The Order of the Inspirati."




    The inside book jacket for the 1974 reprint described Dee as having attempted "to aid humanity by bringing peace and reconciliation to a Europe torn by war and religious intolerance. He and his medium journeyed throughout sixteenth century Europe to Bohemia, meeting leading political figures . . . Throughout their journey the two partners called upon the guidance and help of the spirits." Dee in the book would leave no doubt that many of his travels were conducted at the suggestion and involvement of the angelic spirits.

    Also mentioned on the book jacket: "Whether these manifestations were the work of beneficent powers or whether they were the snares of Devils, is a matter for conjecture." Regarding this area of concern, Dee's pious Christian mentality and praises of God offered by Dee throughout the book were ignored — overlooked perhaps with the intention of inspiring interest in the book among latter-day aspiring wizards. To address the question raised, the development of one's morality involving intellectual and emotional capacities is integral to all of life's interactions and chronicles such as this of Dee and Kelly (also spelled Kelley in some sources) present vivid examples of men interacting with beings manifesting from another realm of existence.

    Casaubon's edition brings together thirteen of John Dee's books chronicling "actions with spirits." During Dee's life, the majority of his supernatural experiences were shared with scryers (or [de-]scri[b]ers/psychic seers), among whom Edward Kelly is most prominent. The interaction of angelic spirits with the duo has resulted in a memoir of two very different temperaments responding to supernatural revelation. The mouldering diary pages constituting Casaubon's edition was reported to have been retrieved from a field where buried by Dee.

    The first of Dee's journals presented in successive books spanning the period to May 23, 1583 weren't included in Casaubon's edition. How these books, now known as Mysteriorum Libri Quinque or 'Book of Mysteries' came to be is explained by Elias Ashmole in a preface to these works. One explanation is that Dee placed many of his cherished original manuscripts in a 'private drawer' of a cedarwood chest. Many years after his death, they were found by an English couple who didn't know what they had found. Missing volumes are believed due to the couple's maid having used them in her kitchen work. When the wife became a widow and remarried, her new husband exchanged the books with Elias Ashmole for an edition of the author's The Institution, Lawes & Ceremonies of the most Noble Order of the Garter (1672).

    The earlier spiritual journals not included in A True & Faithful Relation. . . have been published as John Dee's Five Books of Mystery: Original Sourcebook of Enochian Magic: From The Collected Works Known as Mysteriorum Libri Quinque edited by Joseph J. Peterson. For this easy-to-read revised 2003 edition, Peterson explained that he added footnotes to clarify obscurities in the language, translated Latin passages and updated the text in some particulars. One footnote about Dee's influence upon the English language states "he is credited with coining the word 'unit,' which he used to translate the Greek 'monas.' He also coined the word Britannia.'" Excerpts I've included from the fourth and fifth books of mystery are from Peterson's edition except where otherwise noted. Latin translations quoted from the Peterson edition are indicated by italics followed by an asterisk.

    Included in the fifth of these books of mystery are a description of the circumstances involving the angels dictating to Kelly the book entitled Liber Loagaeth in an otherwise unknown language. In the introduction to John Dee's Five Books of Mystery Peterson divulges about Liber Loagaeth, "This 'angelic book' was later used to extract a long series of messages (or 'calls') in yet another unknown language, called Enochian . . . Since the book is so central to these angelic communications, it is amazing that it has remained unpublished." Digital scans of Liber Loagaeth and other Enochian manuscripts had been available at the website themagickalreview.org, where I read in 2006 an unidentified commentator's affirmation that the angels dictated ". . . a complete classification of the universe based upon mathematical and linguistic principles." The commentator continued:
    The revolutionary nature of the mathematics involved (which foreshadowed the system of
    point-sphere numeration which is discussed in The Book of the Law) is today but little understood. The same may be said of the corresponding linguistic aspect of these conferences, with its unique and original "Angelic" or "Enochian" language; and although this language has been studied in greater depth, and has been found to possess its own grammar and syntax, further work on this inflected language (along the lines of Chomskayan structural analysis) is the subject of continuing interest.
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    Much more of great interest of course in the article here

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    I am reading a book on astrology by Louis Mac Neice where John Dee has been quoted several times.

    1)p.15 In the 16th century, the astrologer of Queen Elizabeth of England, John Dee stated bluntly that astrology is a mathematical art [...]

    2)p.27 But in the 16th century, although John Dee was still protected by Elizabeth of England and Nostradamus by the Queen of France [...]

    3)p.57 At the beginning of the 16th century, the famous John Dee - who also practiced alchemy and crystal clairvoyance - drew up horoscopes for the royal family of the Tudors; he later became the protégé of Queen Elizabeth [...]

    a fascinating book, which you can find in English

    A book in PDF HERE , HERE other HERE , HERE

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