Clif High Predictions

[onawah]

If you omit all the evidence that has presented itself thus far demonstrating the dramatic effect the magnetic pole reversal is already having on the planet, then the prediction sounds somewhat plausible.
But only if you assume that economics is the deciding factor, when it's actually much more to do with how rationally people think and behave in times of crisis--which isn't very...

The changes already evident in weather (we know it has nothing to do with carbon emissions), and the measurable diminishment of the planet's protective magnetic field and ozone layer, including other natural factors such as the failure of migrating animals to find their way-- not to mention the increasingly insane behavior of the population at large-- are just some of the signs that attest to the shortsightedness of ignoring such phenomena.

Add the failure of at least one large portion of the electric grid, which could happen at any time once there is a solar event large enough.
Though it would not even have to be as large as the last such (Carrington Event) in 1859, to cause a catastrophic failure of many nuclear plants, resulting in huge fires, explosions and radioactive pollution that would affect the entire planet via the air and water.
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1644067

Economics cannot prevent what is already happening, and to expect it to is like asking for humanity's negative karma of at least the last century to be somehow miraculously cancelled.

Inevitably, Nature will do what is necessary to give the planet the healing and the fresh start it needs, however arduous and long that process may take.
Without the oversight of Nature, there could be no humanity on Earth, as humanity at this point is lacking in the necessary wisdom to govern itself adequately.
Finally, it becomes logical to see Nature's process as a blessing, not only to the planet but to humanity as well, even if that means a restart to civilization itself.
(But only once the environment has been cleaned and healed of all the damage humanity has inflicted upon it.)

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
It will take a few decades (if we have that long before the first serious solar "kill shot") to reach all the way through to the hinterlands, but it's massive, truly massive.
If we're all having fun teasing Ben Davidson 30 years from now how totally wrong his pole shift and micro-nova forecasts were (I'm sure Ben would take such teasing with a smile) then we'll be a Civilization of abundance, and debt-money monetary systems will be another chapter in our long history books.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
If you omit all the evidence that has presented itself thus far demonstrating the dramatic effect the magnetic pole reversal is already having on the planet, then the prediction sounds somewhat plausible.

I didn't say I was ignoring the evidence of an imminent pole shift.

I avoided taking a position one way or the other on that question, as it was not the point at hand.

But I tried to be careful to mark the likely exit points, where a CME or micro-nova and pole shift would override any such economic forecast.

[onawah]

Acknowledged and appreciated, Paul.

However...for a much more wholistic overview of how humanity evolves, see:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1644169
Young's thinking is largely shaped by Theosophy and Anthroposophy and I don't always agree, but I think it's unfortunate to fail to at least consider it.
...And easy to appreciate how very thoroughly human evolution is explored within that contect.
Even just the first half hour of this one talk can open up one's thinking to perspectives that are usually side-lined or not considered at all, particularly in the mainly materialistic context which prevails so much today.
...And leaves a lot to be desired when attempting to accurately analyze the present or predict what might be coming, without falling victim to materialistic short-sightedness, something which I think Clif High is prone to.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
If you omit all the evidence that has presented itself thus far demonstrating the dramatic effect the magnetic pole reversal is already having on the planet, then the prediction sounds somewhat plausible.

I didn't say I was ignoring the evidence of an imminent pole shift.

I avoided taking a position one way or the other on that question, as it was not the point at hand.

But I tried to be careful to mark the likely exit points, where a CME or micro-nova and pole shift would override any such economic forecast.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
Acknowledged and appreciated, Paul.

... without falling victim to materialistic short-sightedness

There are many ways to look at things, and many levels of order to look at.

That one perspective is "bigger picture" than another doesn't make the other perspective worth less.

[onawah]

It is worth less if important and relevant information is discounted or not considered at all..though understandable if the information is new and disturbing...
Esoteric information is especially anathema to a materialistic viewpoint.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Acknowledged and appreciated, Paul.

... without falling victim to materialistic short-sightedness

There are many ways to look at things, and many levels of order to look at.

That one perspective is "bigger picture" than another doesn't make the other perspective worth less.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
It is worth less if important and relevant information is discounted or not considered at all..though understandable if the information is new and disturbing...
Esoteric information is especially anathema to a materialistic viewpoint.

So I can't discuss my weight, waist line and blood pressure, because in your view whether I discuss meditating in a certain way is more important?

We're now a half dozen posts removed from an analysis of our world's monetary mechanisms, expanding on Clif's discussion of same that I put a fair bit of thought into and hoped other's might find useful or might prompt related discussions and responses.

Good analysis involves focusing on some few specific aspects of the complex, multi-layered and multi-faceted existence we find ourselves in. If we try to talk about everything everywhere, we end up analyzing nothing anywhere. I don't try to hold my computer mouse and my paint brush in my hands at the same time I hold my Phillips #2 screwdriver when I am trying to remove a Phillips #2 screw, even though I own and value all those tools.

If you choose to discuss elsewhere on the Avalon forum, on threads that are a better fit for such considerations, other aspects that are engaging your mind at present and that you wish to share with others here, I promise not to complain there at length, in multiple posts, that you aren't also discussing Clif High's comments on debt-money and crypto-coins there. Deal? (And in some cases I might actually join in those other discussions, perhaps even in ways you find quite agreeable with your viewpoint ... or I might not join in or might not agree ... my areas of active focus and insight will often differ from yours ... we are quite different people ... which I've little doubt delights both of us .)

Meanwhile:

back to my above analysis of our world's monetary mechanisms, expanding on Clif's discussion of same, and whatever else might involve Clif High's predictions, the topic of this here thread.

(and, yes Bill, that I am complaining about off-topic posts is a bit ironic )

[Mike Gorman]

Mr Pythonic Cow, regarding that 22 trillion beats per second business, Cliff's idea concerning the wink-in/wink-out durations, I think it is related to the frequency model, like video screens, and much of electronic durations, definitely a frequency modulation kind of concept, the cosmic pulsing of consciousness: I quite like this one it has a solid engineering kind of flavour! Much of our knowledge is pure speculation and semi-educated guessing, but as you say Cliff has the master language' knack! I don't mean any offense, if people feel offended with this.

[QueenRia]

Posted by edina (here)
clif closed his X/Twitter account around the time you stopped seeing him in your feed. He said he has projects he's working on and X is distracting. He's been almost prolific in posting on his substack since then.

Clif is still on Twitter/X though, and being very active. His handle is @clif_high ("clif is antiselenite").
Proof that it must be the real Clif: He was on BeyondMystic's "Wacky Woo" show on November 3, and right in the beginning they show his Twitter account.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Mr Pythonic Cow, regarding that 22 trillion beats per second business ...

My current mental model for that level of the materium is of a fluidic like æther, that we might (I don't have a good guess) model accurately using a locally uniform frequency, but in my view ...

• The universe doesn't wink in and out at that coordinated frequency, which would be a massive violation of a principle I hold to, of locality. Rather the æther might be everywhere oscillating, and we couldn't even say that it's the same frequency of oscillation everywhere, because we have no more fundamental material "yardstick" (or stopwatch) to compare the rate of æthereal oscillation in two different places or times to determine if they are the same or not.
  
• Even saying that the æther has such a frequency is a bit of a paradox, because the way we measure frequency these days is by asserting that the frequency of microwave radiation that maximizes a particular emission of radiated cesium atoms is exactly 9,192,631,770 Hz. "This is one foot long because the King has asserted that 'one foot' is the length of his foot."
• The idea that one could move an arbitrary distance, at essentially infinite speed, just by "winking back into existence" somewhere else, after just having had one's body do its once every 22 trillion times per second wink out elsewhere ... that all sounds like mumbo-jumbo b.s. hokum to me. Clif might have had one too many of some substance that might be illegal in some localities.

[edina]

Posted by QueenRia (here)

Posted by edina (here)
clif closed his X/Twitter account around the time you stopped seeing him in your feed. He said he has projects he's working on and X is distracting. He's been almost prolific in posting on his substack since then.

Clif is still on Twitter/X though, and being very active. His handle is @clif_high ("clif is antiselenite").
Proof that it must be the real Clif: He was on BeyondMystic's "Wacky Woo" show on November 3, and right in the beginning they show his Twitter account.

ha, well that was short-lived.
When we wrote about that, his account was down, and he had emailed a few people and mentioned it while on Beyond Mystic.
clif definitely has a need to communicate.
Thanks for the update.

[onawah]

I don't think I was off-topic (as my response was in reference to subjects you introduced yourself) so much as not in agreement.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
It is worth less if important and relevant information is discounted or not considered at all..though understandable if the information is new and disturbing...
Esoteric information is especially anathema to a materialistic viewpoint.

So I can't discuss my weight, waist line and blood pressure, because in your view whether I discuss meditating in a certain way is more important?
(and, yes Bill, that I am complaining about off-topic posts is a bit ironic )

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
I don't think I was off-topic (as my response was in reference to subjects you introduced yourself) so much as not in agreement.

I responded via Private Message.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
Ok - it's taken me a couple of days to figure out where I think that Clif's "COUNTDOWN TO ZERO" video and related "Agenda : 2039!" substack essay that he posted in the last couple of days fall short.

As I listen to yet another explanation by Clif High of what he thinks is happening to the US Dollar (later part of FIGHTING THE BLUE CHICKENS with CLIFF HIGH, JORDAN SATHER & JC - DEC 4, a 2 hour 20 minute long (twice that if you fall asleep in the middle of it) three way discussion between Clif High, Jean-Claude, and Jordan Sather, ...

... I can summarize in another format my view on the collapse of the US Dollar, highlighting how I would expand on or disagree with Clif High:

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Clif notes, correctly I believe, that the US Dollar is debt-money (dollars are tokens for the receipts, loan repayments, from US Treasury debt, not tokens for something material, such as gold bars).

Clif notes, correctly I believe, that debt-money systems have a finite life expectancy. All such systems die, and the US Dollar is on its death bed, and probably has been since the financial crisis of 2007-2008.

Different aspects of the US and global monetary system will change differently.

We can distinguish between:

• [Trad] Money used in trade, and
• [Aset] Money stored as an asset.

We can also distinguish between:

• [US] Dollars within the United States, and
• [Wrld] Dollars elsewhere in the world.

Each of the four combinations Trad-US, Trad-Wrld, Aset-US, and Aset-Wrld has its own story:

Trad-US: Money used for trade within the United States:

I expect this will continue to be what us Americans think of as Dollars, in various forms, including paper dollars and digital quantities used with various institutions. We Americans will still get paid in Dollars, receive our pensions in Dollars, buy our food and supplies using Dollars, pay our monthly bills in Dollars, and hold Dollar denominated bank accounts.

Aset-US: Money used to store value within the United States:

I expect major losses in American's investments and collapses in the price of assets, for example real estate, that are usually bought using debt (mortgages). Hopefully (I say as an old man collecting Social Security) elders will continue to receive expected value on their Social Security and (most, not all) retirement funds, but the younger an American is, the less they get from whatever they've already paid in.

Many banks, debt financed institutions (overbuilt hospitals, universities, investment firms and government offices, for example) will collapse, be consolidated, or shrink dramatically. Financial assets such as stocks, bonds, mortgage backed securities, the Federal Reserve's balance sheet and a quadrillion dollars of derivatives will crash substantially or collapse entirely. Lots of multi-million dollar homes in the suburbs of New York City will go "no bid", as Wall Street shrinks dramatically.

Fungible asset storage within the United States may well be a blend of debt and hard assets such as gold and bitcoin for quite a while. Money as "debt-money" will not vanish within the United States. Some money will still be lent into existence. Some bonds, bills, notes and asset backed securities will still be sold. But that internal U.S. financial and monetary market for debt-money and its corresponding asset paper will collapse substantially and in some cases catastrophically. This monetary stress and failure mechanism afflicting national currencies serving a dual role as the world's reserve currency was explained in testimony to Congress in 1960 by economist Robert Triffin, and has become known as Triffin's Dilemma.

Trad-Wrld: Money used in trade outside the United States:

BRICS nations are already developing a network of bi-lateral agreements between nations to trade in mutually agreed to currencies or assets. I expect Ripple/XRP to be a significantly useful tool in this space, providing a fast, economical and tamper resistant platform for cross currency transactions, of all sizes, tiny to massive.

Aset-Wrld: Assets outside the United States:

BRICS nations are already unwinding their US Treasury debt portfolio as best they can with minimum (albeit substantial) losses. They are migrating both to other debt instruments, and to various hard assets, such as vaulted gold, mined minerals, or drilled oil and gas.

The role of the US Dollar as the global reserve currency, for trade and assets outside the U.S., Trad-Wrld and Aset-Wrld, is being phased out.

The role of the US Dollar as daily or monthly spending money within the United States (Trad-US) can probably be maintained. The US banking and political systems have a strong incentive to keep this working, more or less. The risk of government and banking collapse and revolution is high when currencies fail within a nation.

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In short, the global "US Reserve Dollar" is collapsing and being replaced by bi-lateral national agreements. The portion of the domestic US Dollar asset value that has been highly pumped up by the Dollar's role as the global Reserve Currency will collapse substantially and dramatically, while the US Dollar as the domestic currency of trade will limp through. This is the consequence of Triffin's Dilemma (see above link) finally being played out.

The role of the US in the global monetary system will contract to that of "just another nation", making bi-lateral trade agreements. Fortunately the US has mineral, petro, and food assets to offer in trade, and hopefully (I say this as an American) the US can rebuild its technology and manufacturing to provide other value to offer in trade.

The roles of the US as the dominant global arms dealer, political disrupter, toxic pharmaceutical producer, and war monger will hopefully (I say this as a human) shrink dramatically.

The Domestic US Dollar is not dying. The Global US Dollar is dying which will include a 90% collapse of domestic US prices (stocks, bonds, real estate, and a few globalized "industries", such as arms, drugs, covert ops and intelligence, smuggling of arms, drugs, and humans, fake news, and Hollyweird) that have been overly inflated thanks to the (dying) global leverage of the US Dollar ... the resolution of Triffin's Dilemma. The US Dollar will become "just another national currency", albeit the currency of a nation blessed with abundant land and resources.

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The above somewhat elaborate forecast has a shelf life. There are some major events forthcoming (or already underway) which are or will dramatically "change everything", perhaps in a few minutes, perhaps over a few years.

The four big events I can see that might or will or already are reshaping our future on a scale greater than the above financial/monetary matters are:

The collapse of the Khazarian Mafia, Zionist, Nazi, Neocon, Satanic, Rockefeller, Phoenician, Venetian, Luciferian, ... dark forces, driven perhaps by a dark alien force that is perhaps being defeated or departing. This may already be substantially underway, but mostly hidden from us.

The arrival in public view of more neutral or beneficient aliens, which also may already be underway and may account for some of the changes already happening here on earth.

The public introduction of Zero Point (energy) Technology (ZPT) would/will dramatically reshape the economics of production and transportation, hence rewrite what monetary system we find works well with such increased capabilities.

The coming solar CME "kill shot" and subsequent micro-nova that, as Ben Davidson has been analyzing, will first take out our electrical grid and Internet, and later on take out and re-order much of the life on earth. If per chance I'm still alive after the micro-nova, I can guarantee you that I will never again be checking the US Dollar balance in my bank account.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by edina (here)

Posted by QueenRia (here)

Posted by edina (here)
clif closed his X/Twitter account around the time you stopped seeing him in your feed. He said he has projects he's working on and X is distracting. He's been almost prolific in posting on his substack since then.

Clif is still on Twitter/X though, and being very active. His handle is @clif_high ("clif is antiselenite").
Proof that it must be the real Clif: He was on BeyondMystic's "Wacky Woo" show on November 3, and right in the beginning they show his Twitter account.

ha, well that was short-lived.
When we wrote about that, his account was down, and he had emailed a few people and mentioned it while on Beyond Mystic.
clif definitely has a need to communicate.
Thanks for the update.

Those of us who do ruminate, and actively fossick through the stuff of the universe do feel the need to unburden ourselves at times, it is as though the pressure of our conclusions and speculations become too great, and we have to see how it all looks written down and gain a response! I see this in Cliff because I experience something similar, although I see that Cliff has a more kinetic workbench, with his language bot, I think Cliff cannot help himself he is a natural teacher.

[Mike Gorman]

IF Zero point energy exists, or can be employed in the practical sense it will change everything, this is akin to a universal free ticket to fulfilling dreams - you know I am sceptical about this, it is like one of those "If it sounds too good to be true, then..." : I know 'Ontology' and all that, but I don't think we will be dispensing with Isaac Newton quite so easily.
Do I want ZPT energy to be real? You betcha.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
IF Zero point energy exists, or can be employed in the practical sense it will change everything, this is akin to a universal free ticket to fulfilling dreams

I don't quite get it. Zero point energy sounds to me like having all the electricity we want, priced as if the price of fuel was zero. The rest of our energy infrastructure would still be needed, and the portion that actually used new zero point energy technology would have to actually be built and installed.

But how does that fix everything else that has gone wrong ... the mass killings from war and big pharma genocide ... the corruption and tyranny ... the lies, deceit and fraud ... and on and on. Heck, zero point energy could just mean that tanks and bombers could carry more bombs if they could get by with smaller fuel tanks and engines.

Why does what amounts to free petro solve the world's problems?

I must be missing something.

[meat suit]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
IF Zero point energy exists, or can be employed in the practical sense it will change everything, this is akin to a universal free ticket to fulfilling dreams

I don't quite get it. Zero point energy sounds to me like having all the electricity we want, priced as if the price of fuel was zero. The rest of our energy infrastructure would still be needed, and the portion that actually used new zero point energy technology would have to actually be built and installed.

But how does that fix everything else that has gone wrong ... the mass killings from war and big pharma genocide ... the corruption and tyranny ... the lies, deceit and fraud ... and on and on. Heck, zero point energy could just mean that tanks and bombers could carry more bombs if they could get by with smaller fuel tanks and engines.

Why does what amounts to free petro solve the world's problems?

I must be missing something.

Decentralized power generation. A power module for every house, car, ship, plane etc.
All the centralized energy mining and supply structures would be redundant.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by meat suit (here)
Decentralized power generation. A power module for every house, car, ship, plane etc. All the centralized energy mining and supply structures would be redundant.

Ok - fewer wires across the landscape, and decommissioned power and transformer stations - over time - as the new power modules are built, purchased and installed. Good.

But still ... how does that lead to:

it will change everything, this is akin to a universal free ticket to fulfilling dreams

"Everything" and "universal dream fulfillment" covers a whole lot more than "a better power system".

Sure, over time, various tasks will become worth doing that would have cost too much before ... resulting in long term changes in our agricultural, industry and infrastructure. Such changes have happened before, as we went from wood to coal to petro ...

The impact of such energy changes on our monetary system over the next few years, such as Clif was discussing and we've been considering here is less obvious to me ... I do NOT yet see how such tech would magically resolve our problems with a collapsing $US World Reserve Dollar system

[Michi]

Posted by meat suit (here)

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
IF Zero point energy exists, or can be employed in the practical sense it will change everything, this is akin to a universal free ticket to fulfilling dreams

I don't quite get it. Zero point energy sounds to me like having all the electricity we want, priced as if the price of fuel was zero. The rest of our energy infrastructure would still be needed, and the portion that actually used new zero point energy technology would have to actually be built and installed.

But how does that fix everything else that has gone wrong ... the mass killings from war and big pharma genocide ... the corruption and tyranny ... the lies, deceit and fraud ... and on and on. Heck, zero point energy could just mean that tanks and bombers could carry more bombs if they could get by with smaller fuel tanks and engines.

Why does what amounts to free petro solve the world's problems?

I must be missing something.

Decentralized power generation. A power module for every house, car, ship, plane etc.
All the centralized energy mining and supply structures would be redundant.

The same thing I predicted many years ago. Any unit requiring electrical power will have it's own built-in power source lasting very, very long. Then there won't be needed any power distribution infrastructure anymore. (And I wouldn't be surprised if such patent is locked away.)

[Harmony]

Why does what amounts to free petro solve the world's problems?

Chris Martensen has made quite a few videos about the reliance of oil etc. for our food production, everything we manufacture, transport, just about everything needed in the way we now run our world.


Those energy rescources would no longer be the top priority that can lead to greed and wars and fear of survival in small and large economies. It would hopefully be a cleaner energy and maybe no carbon tax? I do believe Clif mentioned it would take over 80 years to transition to a new energy scource, and it would be quite a radical change.

Fear of not being able to provide for our needs would lessen, but only if the mentality of the populations changed along with the ZPE availability. If it continues to be used as a control mechanism to manipulate we are still going to be in big trouble.