Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[161803398]

Unlike the others, the Druze are Syrian, moreover, they are heavily armed similar to Hezbollah. I have no idea why they are revolting. In theory, they and the Israeli Druze could both secede and form "Druze Country", but I have no reason to suggest thinking along those lines.

I just heard about the Druze from some lunatic revisionist historian named Timothy Hogan who claims to be the Grand Master of the Knights Templar. I'd be interested except for the really crappy dot connection and my BS detector. He has concocted a narrative about the Knights not only finding the Arc of the Covenant but also technology (or something) from Atlantis. He says the US is the new Atlantis and he has written a number of books on that subject and the Knights Templar. He says the Druze (whose religion is a mixture of Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity and some other bits) have always been big supporters of Israel. He says he was visited by a CIA agent who encouraged him to continue his mission. (I think he also believes his girlfriend or wife is a reincarnation of one of the Marys) It reminds of the Q a bit in terms of weirdness. So is it a CIA thing....they like finding weirdos to give the guns?

[shaberon]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
He says the Druze (whose religion is a mixture of Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity and some other bits) have always been big supporters of Israel. He says he was visited by a CIA agent who encouraged him to continue his mission. (I think he also believes his girlfriend or wife is a reincarnation of one of the Marys) It reminds of the Q a bit in terms of weirdness. So is it a CIA thing....they like finding weirdos to give the guns?

The Druze are Gnostic refugees from Cairo in the 900s. For a time period, they absorbed other Gnostic remnants in Canaan, and settled on a few mountains which they have kept because they fought for them. Since then, it has been a closed community. As M. LeClerc described, they fit nothing, although in actuality they resemble Buddhists -- this is the only other venue in the world I know of where offices are held by reincarnated individuals.

The ones that are in Israel are nominally loyal to Israel; same as in Syria. That equation stops working, should either country come up with something detrimental or oppressive; of course they won't take it.

Beyond that, I am not sure; my expectation is they are self-armed, and have nothing to do with the CIA.

Europeans have been trying to describe the Druze since the early 1800s, since Europeans are "experts" about everything, like fabricious statements about the Templars and so on. The only outer Druze initiate was HPB. Aside from her, they are, of course, trained to lie to random inquiries. We have little capability of understanding the "real thing", because it is not interested in us understanding it.

As for their socio-political demands, I imagine this will come up soon; I haven't been able to access Syrian news since this re-started. The bigger problem is the Kurds -- after all, they are stuck in an Arab Republic. Hafez Assad was, as I remember, intent on erasing their culture. Bashar reversed that and, as far as I know, granted them near-autonomy. But the Syrian Defense Force is an American--Israeli proxy among them. Therefor it is not currently possible to formulate any coherent Kurdish position. They have really been given the shaft by European map-makers, and, I would say, very intentionally so.

Druze and Kurds definitely deserve a place at the table to claim the same equal rights as anyone else on the Syrian territory. I would hesitate to add very many political factions into this, and, we will probably soon be able to see who's participating. I would rather listen to an Astana format, than just go with whatever John McCain tells me. America should just shut up and pay back all the stolen oil.

[Rizotto]

A question for you all. I'm searching for a specific video where Trump says something like "They give me money, so I do what they tell me to do." with regards to the Israel lobby, or perhaps it was about the campaign donations from zionist Miriam Edelson to the Trump campaign.

I am positive I've seen that video before, perhaps on the Project Avalon site or elsewhere. I just did an internet search for that video, but cannot find it now.

Does anybody know where to find it?

[meat suit]

There is rumors on telegram that Assads escape plane has crashed.

[Rizotto]

I was just thinking that if I was in Assad’s shoes, I would turn off the airplane's transponder too… On the other hand, it is the Turks who started the crash rumours, that in itself is quite telling.
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https://en.topwar.ru/255290-tureckie...-na-bortu.html

December 8, 2024

Turkish media reports alleged crash of Syrian Air Il-76 cargo plane with Bashar al-Assad, who fled Syria, on board

The plane carrying the fugitive Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could have been shot down in the area of Homs captured by the “opposition,” according to information coming from Turkish media.
According to the information currently available, Assad took off from Damascus on a Syrian Air Il-76 transport plane, but the plane disappeared from radar screens in the Homs area. This is confirmed by monitoring resources that track flights. According to Turkish media, the plane allegedly crashed, perhaps it was shot down by the rebels, because they have a lot of anti-aircraft systems, the Syrian army abandoned everything it could. There is also a version that the plane turned off the transponder so that it could not be tracked. (my emphasis)

(article continued at link above)

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by meat suit (here)
There is rumors on telegram that Assads escape plane has crashed.

What I have seen, the tracking of his plane ended, “ADSB”. Iirc the final ground speed, or speed across the land, was way low, which would mean a straight down plummet to the ground. Dangerously steep and fast.

IMO, ruler of a warring country could get those signals fabricated. Kind of a troll move, but maybe deemed necessary for some reason.

[Jaak]

[Bill Ryan]

This seems to be a terrible, escalating situation. We can expect updates and a great deal of commentary throughout today. Turkey has a lot to answer for. How Russia and the rest of the BRICS countries will respond is anyone's guess.

This was posted 15 minutes ago:



https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132849

The presidential palace in Damascus is on fire, the reception hall has been set on fire, reports AFP.
Before this, Assad's residence was looted.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this post by Helvetic on his thread. Pepe Escober's interview was two days ago, of course, and a very great deal has clearly has happened since then. He makes a joke about being 'depressed' (and he probably is) and that the situation is 'frightening'.

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Pepe Escobar | Russia & Iran Ready to Obliterate HTS in Syria? | Dec. 6, 2024

Source: Dialogue Works youtube

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-5S5md0JsZQ

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This seems to be a terrible, escalating situation. We can expect updates and a great deal of commentary throughout today. Turkey has a lot to answer for. How Russia and the rest of the BRICS countries will respond is anyone's guess.

This was posted 15 minutes ago:



https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132849

The presidential palace in Damascus is on fire, the reception hall has been set on fire, reports AFP.
Before this, Assad's residence was looted.

It almost appears that some type of deal was made, possibly between Russia and Turkey. It's almost like Russia just stepped aside.

For "Rebels" to sweep Syria in this way with very little resistance, in less than 2 weeks, is extremely odd to say the least.

Turkey's always been the one I've been watching closely over the last few years. Seems they are now finally "busting a move".

The prophecy about Damascus becoming a pile of ruins is now ever more so possible now. Israel must be quite concerned about the huge fighting force in Damascus now.

Also, I bet Iran is keeping a close eye on their skies right now......

[meat suit]

Posted by Jaak (here)

I just cant keep up, is Israel not busy licking its wounds from the Lebanon thing?
Maybe its an opportunity too big to miss for the greater Israel plan..

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by meat suit (here)
Maybe its an opportunity too big to miss for the greater Israel plan..

Yes. But there's no way Israel can keep this all together, they're far too stretched in every way. And there's no way the BRICS nations will tolerate this, with or without Turkey. Both Russia and China are reported to be 'furious'. Something fairly major will happen soon in response to all this — but I have absolutely no idea what it may be.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by meat suit (here)
I just can't keep up

Neither can barely anyone.

Watch today for updates from The Duran, Alexander Mercouris, anything anywhere from Pepe Escobar, and (tomorrow morning) from Alastair Crooke with Judge Napolitano.

[meat suit]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
I just can't keep up

Neither can barely anyone.

Watch today for updates from The Duran, Alexander Mercouris, anything anywhere from Pepe Escobar, and (tomorrow morning) from Alastair Crooke with Judge Napolitano.

This was useful to watch, looks like Turkey made a really bad move, greedy for that oil pipeline..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5WDb2tKhcEw

[Moemers]

I'm sorry, can anyone give a tl;dr on what's going on? I just dont have time to watch a bunch of videos today

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moemers (here)
I'm sorry, can anyone give a tl;dr on what's going on? I just dont have time to watch a bunch of videos today

For anyone who can access this, RT has a live updates page (which is likely to be reliable):

• https://rt.com/news/608900-syria-damascus-live-updates

And here's RT's summary of the situation so far, a separate article:

• https://rt.com/news/608977-moscow-re...verthrow-assad

Moscow confirms Assad has left Syria

The official Foreign Ministry statement doesn’t specify the veteran politician’s whereabouts

The Russian Foreign Ministry has confirmed that Bashar Assad has stepped down as Syrian president and left the country following negotiations with armed opposition groups amid the fall of Damascus to Islamist forces.

In a statement issued on Telegram on Sunday afternoon, officials clarified that Moscow was not involved in the talks but acknowledged Assad’s decision to transfer power “peacefully.”

“Russian military bases in Syria are on high alert. At present, there is no serious threat to their security,” the statement read. The Foreign Ministry said Moscow remains in contact with all Syrian opposition factions and is taking measures to ensure the safety of Russian citizens in the region.

”We urge all sides to refrain from violence and resolve issues of political governance through dialogue,” the statement said. It also stressed the need to respect the views of “all ethnic and religious groups within Syrian society.”

Russia reaffirmed its support for an “inclusive political process” based on UN Security Council Resolution 2254, which calls for a peaceful resolution to the Syrian conflict through free elections and a new constitution.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) and other anti-government militias took control of Damascus on Sunday. Syrian Prime Minister Mohammad al-Jalali has expressed his willingness to cooperate with any leadership chosen by the people, adding that he remains at home in Damascus. The HTS offensive began last week from the opposition-held Idlib province and was led by a former Al-Qaeda commander.

[Moemers]

so correct me if I'm wrong, but HTS is former al-qaeda which makes it a CIA asset?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moemers (here)
so correct me if I'm wrong, but HTS is former al-qaeda which makes it a CIA asset?

Yes. This is all the US and Israel, with Turkey giving the whole thing a big push for its own (misguided!) reasons.

[Vicus]

ISIS Magically Returns to Syria, Still Can't Find Israel on Map

8 years after the Russian military freed most of Syria from the terror grip of Western proxy army 'ISIS', the remainders of that horde, holed up in Idlib province in northwestern Syria, last week broke out of containment - clearly with Turkish and Western approval - and re-took Syria's second-largest city, Aleppo.

First hour of this NewsReal: Joe & Niall recap the Astana peace process that 'froze' the so-called 'Syrian Civil War', resulting in this enclave of 'moderate' terrorists, why they've been unleashed now, and why 'solving Syria' is a complex problem that is easily exploited by unscrupulous hegemons.

Second hour: Russia's demonstration of its new 'Oresnik' weapon in Ukraine has game-changing implications, and not just for ending the Ukraine war. Finally, joined by Toño, co-host of the SOTT en español podcast, a sit-rep on the US-Mexico border, Mexico's new female president, and what Mexicans think of Trump's re-election.

VIDEO: https://www.sott.net/article/496530-...-Israel-on-Map

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moemers (here)
so correct me if I'm wrong, but HTS is former al-qaeda which makes it a CIA asset?

Yes. This is all the US and Israel, with Turkey giving the whole thing a big push for its own (misguided!) reasons.

One of the many issues at play here is that Russia can't easily go head-to-head with Turkey, or else Turkey, which is still a NATO member, may open the Bosporus Strait to enable NATO/US warships to enter the Black Sea next to Ukraine — which at the moment Turkey is blocking, as it's legally entitled to do via the 1936 Montreux Convention.