Grooming Gang scandal, UK

[Eric J (Viking)]

Looks like things are hotting up folks …

FEROCIOUS ROW Erupts On Live TV As Tice Slams Sky News For Not Reporting On Grooming Gang Scandal!

Short video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hPlnU9jWOOE

[jaybee]

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This GB News video features an interview with Lily Moo... an Iranian Human Rights Campaigner - she grew up in the West Midlands and experienced the situation first hand - explaining where the root of the problem lies as she understands it....interviewer Martin Daubney is emotionally overcome briefly at the end of the interview then gets himself together for the next part....

The next bit with Chris Hope GB News Political Editor... goes on to discuss, among other things that Reform UK is threatening to conduct their own enquiry if the Government won't -

re the title of the video.... I'm not sure about the claim being 'astonishing' .... it's fairly generally understood to be where the problem lies... it's just that no one wants to tackle it... (well, no one in the Uni~Party - aka Lab, Con or Lib Dem)

Grooming Gangs: Martin Daubney Driven To Tears Live On Air As Guest Makes ASTONISHING Muslim Claim(13:57)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lssocHRbiNE

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Important article from (cough) the Daily Telegraph, of all papers. Reporter Allison Pearson pulls no punches, and it's about bloody time. The article's behind what looks like a paywall, but I managed to rip it. Posted in full below.

Elon Musk has ripped the cloak of deceit off one of Britain’s most disgusting scandals

Starmer’s denunciation of Musk for ‘spreading lies and misinformation’ about Muslim child-rape gangs is an orchestra of discordant duplicity

07 January 2025 9:01pm GMT


Once upon a time there was a good and fair country and people who lived in countries that were neither good nor fair travelled to that land and made it their home because they knew it to be kind. But some men who made that land their home brought the values of countries that were neither kind nor fair with them. Such men hated the female children they found in the good and fair country. The girls were white but not chaste; they were dirty unbelievers who went about unaccompanied as if they were boys. They disgusted the men, and they tempted them, which made them hate the female children even more. The monsters, for that is what the men became over time, caused savage harm to thousands of girls – so many that no one is yet sure of the number and may never be, for some were lost or killed. And the monsters drugged and bribed them, they made them sex slaves, branding the girls’ flesh with their initials, ramming large implements into their tiny bodies the better to accommodate four men.

This may be hard to comprehend, dear reader, but the people of that enlightened land did not protect their daughters. I’m sorry to say they abandoned them to their fate. Police, whose duty it was to look after the most vulnerable, either arrested the girls, dismissed their pleas for help or left them with their tormentors. For that famously kind and decent land had fallen under a strange enchantment, which was called multiculturalism. It said that, no matter how wicked or cruel the men were to the children, you must never speak of it. The dark spell, and what a powerful spell it was (enough to vanquish justice and compassion), caused any who dared to say that Pakistani Muslim men were targeting white girls to become the bad people. Because all cultures are equal, you see, even ones that don’t believe in equality or which agree that girls who aren’t virgins are whores and deserve to be punished.

And those who struggled against the powerful spell that stifled their countrymen were called racist. And to be racist or bigoted or “far-Right” was to be far more hateful than any hatred inflicted on female children, or so the people of the good and fair country were told by their leaders.

And when the monsters swore at the children whom they were raping, saying, “White slag!” “White c—!” – well, that wasn’t at all racist. Because multiculturalism and the BBC say it cannot be so.

A few brave women (Julie, Ann, Maggie, Sarah) who woke from the enchantment and warned young girls were in danger from British Pakistani men were banished and forced to apologise for being “reckless in my choice of words”. Or they lost their seat in the shadow Cabinet.

And the evil – a vast, suppurating evil such as the land had not known for a thousand years – continued to blight that good and fair country. The authorities colluded to make sure the hatred must never speak its name, and the girls carried their lonely torment within them and their rapists got access to the babies they had impregnated them with. (Oh, yes, they did. So strong was the multicultural enchantment it made people surrender the values they had been born to.)

And the monsters were not banished from the good and fair country, not one of them sent back to countries that were neither good nor fair, in case their human rights were breached.

Then, one day, the richest man in the whole wide world came along and broke the dark spell. Elon had read court transcripts telling what those monsters had done to the female children, and he could not believe such unfathomable depravity had taken root in the good and fair country. Because of his great wealth, Elon could not be intimidated into agreeing that thousands of white girls should have been used as a peace offering to placate the gods of multiculturalism. His righteous wrath shamed the cowardly leaders of the land and in their panic they cried “Misinformation!” But the people were having none of it. For they were awake now and they saw what horrors the brutes had been allowed to get away with. As the wicked enchantment lifted, the malevolent myth of multiculturalism was unmasked, the country slowly but surely recovered its senses and demanded the guilty be found and punished, even unto the highest in the land.

As this is a fairytale, I guess it would be nice to say that they all lived happily ever after. Yet, even after it was agreed all the monsters would be deported to great national rejoicing, there was a terrible stain on the good and fair country’s history that would never quite be expunged. It stood shamed before the civilized world. And in the national memory, lodged forever it seemed, were the anguished, tortured, frightened cries of those who were allowed to suffer and die to avoid stirring up racial hatred.

The girls. The girls. The girls.

‘Shame and devastating sadness’

Sir Keir Starmer has no idea what he’s up against. Not this time. Since he entered Downing Street six intolerable months ago, the Prime Minister’s ability to strike exactly the wrong note on any given occasion has never failed him, but his denunciation of Elon Musk for “spreading lies and misinformation” about Pakistani-heritage Muslim child-rape gangs is a whole orchestra of discordant deceit. Many Britons feel deeply grateful that the billionaire owner of X (formerly Twitter) was moved to intervene in this disgusting scandal, I suspect, and Musk has certainly provoked more soul-searching in 10 days than Westminster managed in 10 years. The Prime Minister’s imputation that those who want a full-throated national inquiry into the evil gangs, and the cowardly state apparatchiks who covered them up, were simply seeking to “jump on a bandwagon of the far-Right” is obscene. Apparently, thousands of survivors who endured mass rape as children (20 men awaiting their turn downstairs, one woman recalled) are far-Right for wanting answers and accountability. Is it far-Right, Prime Minister, to object that your primary torturer was released early after a derisory sentence and now lurks menacingly outside your home?

That’s what has happened to Liz, who still lives in Rotherham. Liz tells me she wants a “collective inquiry to show the depth of what’s happened and to go after those who failed us”. Like other victims of Pakistani rape gangs, Liz is disgusted with the strange, soulless man who had the chance at his Monday press conference to speak for the whole nation. He could have expressed the shame and devastating sadness we feel that such bestial crimes should have been committed here, and for so long. Instead, Sir Keir spoke out of narrow party self-interest, only sounding vaguely passionate when addressing what really troubles him: Islamophobia.

Exactly as he did back in July after the massacre of children in Southport. Berated by a crowd of locals whom he refused to speak to after hastily laying a wreath, Starmer couldn’t wait to dash to a mosque where he vowed to “take every step possible” to keep the Muslim community safe. That meant creating a new violent disorder unit to deal with all the “far-Right thugs” who, for some reason, objected to three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class being slaughtered. Can’t think why.

People on social media who, in the heat of the moment, posted deeply unsavoury, inflammatory reactions or retweeted “conspiracy theories” were arrested and jailed with an alacrity and force that was entirely absent when it came to catching the foul fiends who committed some of the most despicable crimes imaginable. (One police officer explained to a distraught father that his daughter being raped might actually “teach her a lesson”.)

In both cases, we see the same sly, leftie-liberal playbook. Minimise the rape/killing/trafficking of young girls. Call it “grooming” and not what it is: raping children. Refuse to disclose the ethnic identity of the perpetrators to prevent “racism”. Accuse anyone who mentions the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators of bigotry and “dog-whistle” politics. Under pressure, admit that the perpetrators are “Asians” (to the understandable anger of Sikhs, Hindus and Christians). Deflect attention from the sheer stomach-churning horror of the crimes and the wild, unappeasable sorrow of the victims and switch the focus to the “inappropriate” language or “harmful rhetoric” of people who are prepared to call out the most depraved assaults and most shocking cover-up in British history.

Sir Keir genuinely seems more outraged about Elon Musk calling safeguarding minister Jess Phillips a “genocidal rape apologist” for her refusal to authorise a national inquiry into the Oldham scandal (she insists the council can have its own inquiry) than he is about the 12-year-old who was driven at night to a Yorkshire wood where she was forced to give oral sex to at least 10 men (more cars kept arriving as word spread) before being left alone in the dark.

If a prime minister can’t empathise, just for a few seconds, with the terror that child experienced then he shouldn’t be leading the country. But Starmer was clearly far more at ease saying he was “very shocked and angered” at the killing of George Floyd, a black American for whom he fell to one knee. As I have learnt since Essex police called on me over an alleged hate crime, British institutions, from Parliament to the police, are obsessed with “protected characteristics” enshrined in the Equality Act. In 2013, if you were a white working-class kid in care in Keighley, who was passed around from uncle to cousin to nephew, forget it. No characteristics worth protecting, love. In fact, in the unlikely event that poor child had ever plucked up courage to go to the council or the police, her complaint would have been viewed as unhelpful to the greater goal of anti-racism and diversity. Had the ethnic profiles been reversed – the child was black or Muslim and the bastards who pimped her out white – you can bet we would never have heard the end of it. The British Establishment had something in common with the rapists: they saw the girls as white trash.

Viewing everything through the prism of race is a disease of the elite liberal and bureaucratic class, not just here but throughout a self-loathing Western world which sees merit in every culture but its own. In a response on X to Musk and the rape-gangs scandal, the historian and Times columnist Sathnam Sanghera posted: “Of course, the vivid fear of ‘innocent white women’ being violated by brown men was one of the great drivers of British imperial racism.” Does Sanghera actually think thousands of brutalised white girls in up to 50 British towns and villages from Rochdale to Oxford made up their ordeals in order to cast racist aspersions on innocent brown men? He quickly deleted his tweet after it caused outrage, so maybe it was just fashionable posturing, but revealing for all that. Holding the opinion that non-white people are somehow always victims is a sign of social superiority, marking one out from ghastly fascist proles like Tommy Robinson. Whatever Robinson’s manifold flaws, he inspires huge loyalty among his supporters because he has fought like a lion for girls from his social class. Girls who former Labour home secretary Jack Straw admitted were regarded as “easy meat” by some of his Pakistani constituents.

Thanks to all the big-hearted, bien-pensant apologists for child rapists – including Labour politicians increasingly dependent on the Muslim vote–- our international reputation is in the gutter. In the US, The Free Press ran a major article this week headlined: “The Biggest Peacetime Crime – and Cover-up – in British History”. How did our society sink to these depths of depravity? It is clear that every tier of the system is implicated in the whitewash.

Lucy Allan, who was the Conservative MP for Telford from 2015-2024, explained to me how even those who do try to fight for the victims are thwarted and obstructed. After she’d met survivors in her Shropshire town, Allan started speaking out in Parliament. The pushback was intense. “There was a co-ordinated official response by people in positions of power. Shaun Davies, Telford Council Leader (now the town’s Labour MP), immediately published a letter to the Home Secretary stating that no inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation (CSE) was necessary. He backed up his assertion with claims that we now know were false. Multiple senior men were asked to be co-signatories to his claims and they all readily agreed.” Instead of trying to right heinous wrongs, Telford councillors set about discrediting the messengers. Lucy Allan was accused of “lying, causing division, racism, being unbalanced, irrational, stupid and motivated not by a desire to help victims but to score political points. This narrative was relentlessly pushed for as long as I campaigned on the issue. It had the intended effect of ensuring that the voice I sought to be for victims would not be heard.”


Lucy Allan, the former Conservative MP for Telford, was accused of ‘lying, racism and trying to score political points’ Credit: Andrew Fox

Most extraordinary was an unexpected visit the MP received from Anthony Bangham, then the Chief Constable of West Mercia, and John Campion, the Police and Crime Commissioner. “The Chief Constable was disparaging about Rotherham MP Sarah Champion, suggesting she was exaggerating the grooming gangs issue and was discredited,” Lucy recalls. “He said: ‘You wouldn’t want to be known as a troublemaker like Sarah Champion. It will harm your reputation and career.’” Since when is it the role of a chief constable to warn a democratically-elected MP not to campaign for her traumatised constituents?

Even Allan’s Conservative colleagues could be disapproving. “The newly-minted Junior Minister for Safeguarding, Vicky Atkins, told me not to speak to the media on the subject as ‘you do not understand the issues’. I was summoned by Conservative Peer Baroness Warsi to explain myself.”

Lucy Allan came up against the oft-repeated refrain that, as 90 per cent of child abuse is committed by white men in domestic settings, why didn’t she concern herself with that as it was a more significant problem? She saw this as “a blatant denial of the existence of groups of inter-related men of Pakistani heritage preying on young girls at school gates, in takeaways, taxis and playgrounds. They did not want to know.”

Victims were often blamed, she says, with one young girl being described by police as “‘having been in contact with 53 different Asian males’ as if it were by choice! There was complete denial that these men were related to each other through cousin marriage and were engaged in a joint enterprise.”

Now that she has lost her seat, Allan is free to deliver a brutally honest verdict. “The people in power believed that being honest about what had happened to the girls would fuel racial tensions. They pushed a narrative that hiding the problem was in the interests of the community, that looking the other way would cement social cohesion and protect society.” That line, Lucy now knows for a fact, was pushed by Home Office officials. She has watched as junior ministers, both Conservative and Labour, have spun the same lines, “almost word for word, clearly at the behest of civil servants”.

That “denial strategy” may once have been well-intentioned (a noble lie), but those who enforced it – from the House of Commons to the police stations to the BBC – became the enemies of justice, the willing accomplices of the Devil. The social contract between the state and the individual is in tatters. They lied to us, and the public knows they lied.
What now? The Government tells us there is no need for another national inquiry, instead they will implement the recommendations of the 2022 Jay report on child sexual abuse (CSA). But CSA is not the same as Group Localised Child Sexual Exploitation (GLCSE), which describes the horrendous and co-ordinated abuse by primarily Pakistani-heritage Muslim rape gangs in towns like Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford, places the 2022 inquiry didn’t even take into account. This is not about mainly white paedophiles, bad though they are. And it certainly can’t be left, as Jess Phillips suggests, to councils like Oldham to investigate themselves when many councillors are drawn from the same intensely tribal community as the offenders.

‘The failed model of multiculturalism must be opened up to scrutiny’

We must do what the girls want. They went unheard for so long. And if they want a national inquiry into the British Pakistani child-rape gangs – call them what they are, no obfuscation, no denial, no soothing words – then they must have it. Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has rightly said that she will try to insert a clause pledging such an inquiry into the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill on Wednesday – let’s see which MP is foolish enough not to support it. The failed model of multiculturalism must be opened up to scrutiny and a furious public will be entitled to hear why, if it was such a brilliant idea, it could only be maintained via orchestrated deception by the media, the police and most of the political class. All of the rapists who hold dual nationality must be deported. Millions of us would vote for that, wouldn’t we?

Thanks to Elon Musk the multiculturalism cloak of denial and deceit has been ripped off and the left are suddenly revealed to have no clothes. On the Today programme yesterday, Nick Robinson tried to demolish Robert Jenrick with talk of harmful “rhetoric” and accusations that Jenrick was seeking to limit immigration to the UK from what he called “alien cultures”. So what? Insulting and betraying the interests of the white majority doesn’t work any more, Nick. The shadow justice secretary stood his ground. In his calm, unrattled confidence, you detected that he knew now that he was talking for Britain and would not be afraid to do so. “We have seen millions of people enter the UK in recent years and some of them have backward, frankly medieval attitudes to women”.

You know, as the debate over Musk’s “interference” rages and Labour sees the edifice of diversity politics crashing around their ears, and Starmer looks more inhuman by the day, it’s easy to forget what this is about. Why it matters so very much. Over the weekend, I made myself read the sentencing remarks of His Honour Judge Peter Rook after the trial of Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Mohammed Karrar and Basam Karrar. My God. In paragraph after paragraph, the judge outlines what those Pakistani-heritage brutes did to their victims. Less like sexual abuse than the kind of atrocities you encounter only in wartime. “Years of sheer torture .. great brutality.. robbed of their adolescence… torment and distress.. apart from using her for your own sexual gratification you coerced her into providing sex to vast numbers of strangers. Up to four or five men would be invited to addresses so they could have sex with her. Customers would become angry. Strangers would burn her with cigarettes. Slapped. She said the men had a ‘pack mentality’.

Grabbing her by the ponytail and forcing her head down onto his penis. Drink and drugs to make them more malleable. One inserted a hairbrush into her vagina. She suffers from self-loathing. Nightmares, panic attacks, flashbacks, PTSD. Despite being the victim she carries with her a great burden of shame and embarrassment… one of vaginal rape, one of oral rape, one of arranging child prostitution, wilful blindness by the authorities, wicked plan to punish her for lying that she had her period, one of vaginal rape, one of oral rape, rape, rape, rape.”

It’s not bearable to read about as an adult, so imagine what it must have felt like to live through it if you were 13 years old. My heart broke when I came to this part: “Her mother describes how by the time you had finished with her there was not much left of her apart from her aggression. You took her soul. She felt as though it had been ripped out.”

We are so sorry that happened to you, sweet girl, whoever you are. And we will not rest until those responsible are brought to account. Until you have compensation. We will not allow men who hate white women and girls, who think we are lower than cattle, to breathe the same air as us. We owe you that much.

[AngelArmy]

To think that our own governments have knowingly done this to us. My heart is genuinely broken for my homeland

[Eric J (Viking)]

I see Musk has stated Starmer will be gone soon…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876486484070731878

[norman]

Posted by Eric J (Viking) (here)
I see Musk has stated Starmer will be gone soon…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876486484070731878

When Starmer is gone, what next ?

On paper, KC can close parliament and rule the country directly.

If he gives Diego Garcia to China, is China going to keep all it's wheels on long enough for that to worry Trump ?

Right now it looks like the CCP is busy trying to get a cull of China's own people going, to save it's own ass from a people's revolution 2.0.

[Mari]

Whilst listening to Talk Radio this morning, someone had phoned in to state exactly what I am starting to feel about this case, and indeed other things that the man Starmer has put into place.
That this is going to be used to foment a civil war in the UK. When you see it like that, it becomes absolutely clear why Starmer is not doing a damn thing about this scandal, why he's ignored the real reason for Southport, why he's ignoring the immigration catastrophe, why he's ignoring our Farmers, why he's stripping the pensioners of their comforts, why he's being deliberately (oh yes!) in his use of the 'far-right' and 'thugs' label to describe normal, humane outrage. And on and on it will go.

This soul-less excuse for humanity is a cabal Tool - bought in specifically to foment the conditions for a civil unrest here. The reason i feel is so that the WEF can jump in amongst the resulting wreckage to 'save' the UK, handily using the young males of fighting age (shipped over, via a rubber dingy) who are currently being housed in our hotels and being primed for their 'role' in controlling the Infidel population when they rise up. Of course, 'saving' in this case means a total reset in every way you can imagine and we all know what that will look like.

[Bill Ryan]

Start in at 31:35 on Chris Martenson's new weekly analysis video, 'The Signal Hour'.

Martenson predicts this will bring down the Starmer government.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bZ-uclJ8YDg

[Rizotto]

This is the result of the globalist cabal's agenda to use massive immigration to destabilize the west and eventually destroy western civilization, which is one of their steps towards major world depopulation.

I'm not excusing these pakistani rapists for one moment, but the focus on muslim sexual abuse of women is concerning. In reality pervasive male sexual harassment isn't observed only in muslim societies. I recall clearly reports 40 years ago from young women from Canada/USA/Europe travelling in staunchly catholic Latin American countries and being subjected to constant sexual harassment. It didn't matter how they dressed or minded their own business, they were a constant target of groping and hissing (literally). Some decided to cut their travel short for that reason.

The catholic religion does not instruct boys to behave that way towards women. I know, I was brought up as a catholic, but even in Canada in the catholic community in general we could observe that women were overall subjected to the control of family and men. And if women dared to step outside those 'norms' they were subjected to harassment and disrepute. I've seen this in action myself decades ago, although this sort of culture has drastically changed in more recent decades.

As for these nightmarish criminals raping girls in the UK, it was entirely predictable that immigrants from a 'male domination' culture would behave that way... Let's hope they all get prosecuted, punished and deported. As well as the government officials who made this happen.

[Mike Gorman]

AngelArmy, you have nailed it...I think legions of expatriates are in mourning for their homeland, in addition to the poor bastards incumbent, this multicultural imposition has clobbered Britain, for it is an imposition not a universally agreed direction - it looks to me that the entire EU/UK and 5-eyes communities are in turmoil and agony. We might point to individuals and claim they are culpable, but in the end it is the apathy and inability of people to unite and cooperate that has led to this outcome. Humanity is being taught some very hard lessons at the minute, and then of course we have WWIII/IV (or however you choose to calculate the wars) in progress: the Earth is a hot mess currently!

[Tintin]

Reposting this from the Turmoil in the British Isles thread from January 4th - this may have been missed by a great many now taking an interest:

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The X-sphere is abuzz with the appalling grooming gang disaster revelations, again, ongoing for many decades now, and a lot of predictable too-ing, and fro-ing as one has come to expect with these sorts of disgusting practices with, on one side, accusations of 'racism' being hurled by the usual suspects, and firmer commentary on the other, highly justified in my view, that, fair punishment should be meted out to ALL those complicit in the allowing of this.

This is a historical piece from 2012 where our incumbent Prime Minister is slurring and waffling his mendacious way through something that's trying to be an answer to a straightforward question.

Text from Robin Monotti:

Did Keir Starmer cover up the mass systematic rape of English white working class girls? Judge for yourself. Here he is trying to answer questions as Chief Prosecutor and head of the Crown Prosecution Service in 2012:

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This, from Katie Hopkins:

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Great to see so many people boldly speaking out about majority Pakistani grooming gangs. Now. In 2025.

Images from 2015.

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This, from 2021 courtesy of MP Robbie Moore:

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In 2021, I called a debate in Parliament exposing the rape gang scandal and launching my campaign for a full inquiry.

Just one of Keir Starmer’s MP’s decided to turn up and listen.

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A historical Sun Newspaper headline although I'm struggling to see the publishing date?



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A historical Tweet:



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It may well be a scandal such as this that will see him, Keir Starmer, dethroned

- Tintin Quarantino comment, Jan 4th, 2025

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And this must-see documentary made by Charlie Peters from GB News, in 2023.

Grooming gangs, continued, with this Charlie Peters GB News expose made last year, and in our library:

Grooming Gangs - Britain's shame



LINK: https://avalonlibrary.net/UK_Groomin...ws_2023%29.mp4

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With thanks as well to Mark/Star Mariner for the Telegraph article which is usually hidden behind their paywall, although for today at least, has been 'opened' for all. It's also saved as a PDF in the Avalon Library, here, and downloadable, as ever.

[Tintin]

Shared by Samantha Smith via X, herself a recovering victim of this abuse:

These are the names of the 111 MPs who voted in favour of forcing a government inquiry into child sexual exploitation and Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs.

Thank you.
You are on the right side of history.

Jim Allister (Traditional Unionist Voice)
Lee Anderson (Reform UK)
Stuart Anderson (Conservative)
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Victoria Atkins (Conservative)
Gareth Bacon (Conservative)
Kemi Badenoch (Conservative)
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Steve Barclay (Conservative)
Peter Bedford (Conservative)
Saqib Bhatti (Conservative)
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Sarah Bool (Conservative)
Aphra Brandreth (Conservative)
Alex Burghart (Conservative)
James Cartlidge (Conservative)
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Conservative)
Lewis Cocking (Conservative)
John Cooper (Conservative)
Alberto Costa (Conservative)
Claire Coutinho (Conservative)
Harriet Cross (Conservative)
Gareth Davies (Conservative)
Mims Davies (Conservative)
David Davis (Conservative)
Caroline Dinenage (Conservative)
Oliver Dowden (Conservative)
Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
Alex Easton (Independent)
Luke Evans (Conservative)
Nigel Farage (Reform UK)
Peter Fortune (Conservative)
Ashley Fox (Conservative)
Mark Francois (Conservative)
George Freeman (Conservative)
Louie French (Conservative)
Roger Gale (Conservative)
John Glen (Conservative)
Helen Grant (Conservative)
Andrew Griffith (Conservative)
Rebecca Harris (Conservative)
John Hayes (Conservative)
Damian Hinds (Conservative)
Richard Holden (Conservative)
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Paul Holmes (Conservative)
Nigel Huddleston (Conservative)
Neil Hudson (Conservative)
Jeremy Hunt (Conservative)
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Caroline Johnson (Conservative)
Lincoln Jopp (Conservative)
Alicia Kearns (Conservative)
Danny Kruger (Conservative)
Katie Lam (Conservative)
John Lamont (Conservative)
Edward Leigh (Conservative)
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Julia Lopez (Conservative)
Rupert Lowe (Reform UK)
Alan Mak (Conservative)
Kit Malthouse (Conservative)
Jerome Mayhew (Conservative)
James McMurdock (Reform UK)
Esther McVey (Conservative)
Andrew Mitchell (Conservative)
Gagan Mohindra (Conservative)
Robbie Moore (Conservative)
Joy Morrissey (Conservative)
Wendy Morton (Conservative)
Kieran Mullan (Conservative)
David Mundell (Conservative)
Andrew Murrison (Conservative)
Jesse Norman (Conservative)
Neil O'Brien (Conservative)
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Priti Patel (Conservative)
Rebecca Paul (Conservative)
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Jack Rankin (Conservative)
David Reed (Conservative)
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative)
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Neil Shastri-Hurst (Conservative)
Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative)
David Simmonds (Conservative)
Greg Smith (Conservative)
Rebecca Smith (Conservative)
Julian Smith (Conservative)
Ben Spencer (Conservative)
Patrick Spencer (Conservative)
Gregory Stafford (Conservative)
Blake Stephenson (Conservative)
Mel Stride (Conservative)
Graham Stuart (Conservative)
Robin Swann (Ulster Unionist Party)
Bradley Thomas (Conservative)
Richard Tice (Reform UK)
Nick Timothy (Conservative)
Laura Trott (Conservative)
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Martin Vickers (Conservative)
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Helen Whately (Conservative)
John Whittingdale (Conservative)
Gavin Williamson (Conservative)
Sammy Wilson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Mike Wood (Conservative)

[Tintin]

The House of Commons vote against opening up an inquiry: Noes 364 v Ayes 111 January 8th at around 9PM

[Tintin]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Important article from (cough) the Daily Telegraph, of all papers. Reporter Allison Pearson pulls no punches, and it's about bloody time. The article's behind what looks like a paywall, but I managed to rip it.

[from the article - TQ sub-ed | requoted]:Over the weekend, I made myself read the sentencing remarks of His Honour Judge Peter Rook after the trial of Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Mohammed Karrar and Basam Karrar. My God. In paragraph after paragraph, the judge outlines what those Pakistani-heritage brutes did to their victims. Less like sexual abuse than the kind of atrocities you encounter only in wartime. “Years of sheer torture .. great brutality.. robbed of their adolescence… torment and distress.. apart from using her for your own sexual gratification you coerced her into providing sex to vast numbers of strangers. Up to four or five men would be invited to addresses so they could have sex with her. Customers would become angry. Strangers would burn her with cigarettes. Slapped. She said the men had a ‘pack mentality’.

Again, many thanks for sharing this here and grabbing the text although by the time you've read this you will see that I've managed to grab the article direct and turned it into a PDF which is now in the library.

Concerning Dogar, Karrar et al: the documents to which Allison refers were also previously saved to the library last week and can be viewed here:

The original sentencing: sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others-june-2013

LINK: https://avalonlibrary.net/UK_Groomin...-june-2013.pdf
- the gory details clear to see in this 16 page summing up.

The appeal: Karrar & Ors v R. [2015] EWCA Crim 850 (19 May 2015) - the judge threw out the appeal and upheld Judge Rook's findings:
LINK: https://avalonlibrary.net/UK_Groomin...%202015%29.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
The House of Commons vote against opening up an inquiry: Noes 364 v Ayes 111 January 8th at around 9PM

Is that a kind of 'double negative', meaning that they have voted TO open the inquiry?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Shared by Samantha Smith via X, herself a recovering victim of this abuse:

These are the names of the 111 MPs who voted in favour of forcing a government inquiry into child sexual exploitation and Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs.

Thank you.
You are on the right side of history.

Jim Allister (Traditional Unionist Voice)
Lee Anderson (Reform UK)
Stuart Anderson (Conservative)
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Victoria Atkins (Conservative)
Gareth Bacon (Conservative)
Kemi Badenoch (Conservative)
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Steve Barclay (Conservative)
Peter Bedford (Conservative)
Saqib Bhatti (Conservative)
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Sarah Bool (Conservative)
Aphra Brandreth (Conservative)
Alex Burghart (Conservative)
James Cartlidge (Conservative)
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Conservative)
Lewis Cocking (Conservative)
John Cooper (Conservative)
Alberto Costa (Conservative)
Claire Coutinho (Conservative)
Harriet Cross (Conservative)
Gareth Davies (Conservative)
Mims Davies (Conservative)
David Davis (Conservative)
Caroline Dinenage (Conservative)
Oliver Dowden (Conservative)
Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
Alex Easton (Independent)
Luke Evans (Conservative)
Nigel Farage (Reform UK)
Peter Fortune (Conservative)
Ashley Fox (Conservative)
Mark Francois (Conservative)
George Freeman (Conservative)
Louie French (Conservative)
Roger Gale (Conservative)
John Glen (Conservative)
Helen Grant (Conservative)
Andrew Griffith (Conservative)
Rebecca Harris (Conservative)
John Hayes (Conservative)
Damian Hinds (Conservative)
Richard Holden (Conservative)
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Paul Holmes (Conservative)
Nigel Huddleston (Conservative)
Neil Hudson (Conservative)
Jeremy Hunt (Conservative)
Bernard Jenkin (Conservative)
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Caroline Johnson (Conservative)
Lincoln Jopp (Conservative)
Alicia Kearns (Conservative)
Danny Kruger (Conservative)
Katie Lam (Conservative)
John Lamont (Conservative)
Edward Leigh (Conservative)
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Julia Lopez (Conservative)
Rupert Lowe (Reform UK)
Alan Mak (Conservative)
Kit Malthouse (Conservative)
Jerome Mayhew (Conservative)
James McMurdock (Reform UK)
Esther McVey (Conservative)
Andrew Mitchell (Conservative)
Gagan Mohindra (Conservative)
Robbie Moore (Conservative)
Joy Morrissey (Conservative)
Wendy Morton (Conservative)
Kieran Mullan (Conservative)
David Mundell (Conservative)
Andrew Murrison (Conservative)
Jesse Norman (Conservative)
Neil O'Brien (Conservative)
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Priti Patel (Conservative)
Rebecca Paul (Conservative)
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Jack Rankin (Conservative)
David Reed (Conservative)
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative)
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Neil Shastri-Hurst (Conservative)
Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative)
David Simmonds (Conservative)
Greg Smith (Conservative)
Rebecca Smith (Conservative)
Julian Smith (Conservative)
Ben Spencer (Conservative)
Patrick Spencer (Conservative)
Gregory Stafford (Conservative)
Blake Stephenson (Conservative)
Mel Stride (Conservative)
Graham Stuart (Conservative)
Robin Swann (Ulster Unionist Party)
Bradley Thomas (Conservative)
Richard Tice (Reform UK)
Nick Timothy (Conservative)
Laura Trott (Conservative)
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Martin Vickers (Conservative)
Matt Vickers (Conservative)
Helen Whately (Conservative)
John Whittingdale (Conservative)
Gavin Williamson (Conservative)
Sammy Wilson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Mike Wood (Conservative)

Not a single Labour MP voted for it, no LibDems, and no Greens. But that doesn't exonerate the Conservatives, so much of this went down on their watch.

I believe them all to be equally weak, wicked, gutless, treacherous, false, hypocritical, deceitful, corrupt, reprobate, recreant, warped, and evil.

A disgrace to the people, the Crown, the country. Unfit to serve, the men, the women -- all of them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tintin (here)
The House of Commons vote against opening up an inquiry: Noes 364 v Ayes 111 January 8th at around 9PM

Is that a kind of 'double negative', meaning that they have voted TO open the inquiry?

It's a vote against opening an enquiry.

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tintin (here)
The House of Commons vote against opening up an inquiry: Noes 364 v Ayes 111 January 8th at around 9PM

Is that a kind of 'double negative', meaning that they have voted TO open the inquiry?

No, and perhaps I mis-worded it. The motion was to open an inquiry and it was voted against:

Noes (no to an inquiry) = 364
Ayes (yes to an inquiry) = 111

[Did You See Them]

As Bill points out it should have been 'voted against" - not "vote" !

I see having whipped up his cronies he "abstained" as a no show !
Creep.

[avid]

After watching yesterday’s UK Column News https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-co...h-january-2025
I realised this is a vast scenario, over decades, protecting paedophiles in all levels of society. The Metropolitan Police have lists of guilty people involved who go right to the top, ie, Edward Heath, Prime Minister and even higher…. The Cabal don’t want Pandora's box opened. It’s almost like the Epstein blackmail situation. BUT YES, we want that box opened, why is Starmer so corrupt? Et al….