Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow

[Hermoor]

Would any of our more esoterically minded members like to comment on Trump's inauguration tie and "The Apotheosis Of Washington", visible through the oculus of the dome in the rotunda of the United States Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ap..._of_Washington

[JohnColeridge]

I remember the pre-2012 truthing days. Such a milieu of ideas and enquiries, a growing movement of people seeking truth in many areas ranging from specific events (such as 9/11) to the nature of reality, and everything in between. Some people made excellent cases, presented compelling arguments supported by facts and evidence, while others indulged in wild speculation presented as factual certainty.

So many debates, discussions, analyses. There wasn't much that could be proved with a degree of certainty. Many people disagreed on this and that, all the usual heated exchanges.

There was, however, one matter on which many of us converged, something we could agree on with a reasonable degree of certainty. The facts and the evidence supported the notion that the entire political system cannot be trusted, and that the most likely solution lies beyond the flawed system we've inherited. And it was compelling. We could observe the ruling classes, the private power groupings, measure their wealth, determine their influence; we hypothesised that private power groups could use their private power to circumvent checks and balances and gain control of the entire political spectrum, left and right. We could test out that hypothesis, and we found evidence of private power groups establishing schools and universities that educate the politicians, and those politicians end up in all the political parties (and that's just the tip of the iceberg). So we had MO. Is there motive? Of course. Ruling classes depend on the socio-power structure for all of their advantages. They have a clear motive for reducing their risk. We concluded that the system is a rigged game. Think of those rigged sideshows at fun fairs, you know, the hoop game. It's been set up so you can never win - the game-runner has reduced his risk. It's a bit like that.

In all these years I have yet to see this conclusion be falsified.

So I cannot, in good conscience, get behind the Trump movement, or any political party in any part of the world, or any hero, saviour or prestigious personality. It would simply be a betrayal of not only what I believe to be truth, but also my values.

I can, nonetheless, empathise with the people who get behind Trump. They need a win, they need to feel like someone's got their back, that someone understands, they're part of something, part of a family. These are all ordinary human needs, and I understand you, I get it, I really do.

And I have no doubt that many of the Trump voters are decent people (and by the same token, I'm sure there's a lot of decent people who didn't vote for Trump).

Yet I can't help thinking that it's possible for good people to be manipulated. After all, by 2010 the power groups were aware of the 'unprecedented geo-political awakening' (Brzezinski, 2008). Essentially they were cognizant of the growing 'truth movement' that was getting ever better at running down their games. Do you really think these people of industry and ambition would sit back and take it? Or is it more reasonable to assume they'll counter-strategise, game the hell out of it, and come up with a solution: we'll give them the champion they desire and channel their dissident energy back into the system.

Now I put my hands up here, I don't know for certain. Essentially I'm just brainstorming.

However, the facts and evidence against Trump are many. And the likes of TLAV, James Corbett and Whitney Webb et al. make compelling cases. Worth checking out for some alternative angles.

As William Blake said: 'The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind'.

That works both ways, so I'm open to persuasion. Make your case, but make it good.

Many thanks for reading.

Best wishes to you all.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm as optimistic and hopeful as anyone here — but this response, full of diplomatic blunders and bad information, was not a good start.



(Do listen to the short video. Trump clearly doesn't know a thing about Russia or the war. Fortunately, Putin and Lavrov are far too savvy and sophisticated to let silly remarks like this to get in the way of a constructive meeting.)

~~~

Trump on Russo-Ukrainian War:
Putin should make a deal. I think he's destroying Russia by not making a deal.
Russia's going to be in big trouble if the conflict continues.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1881587273298522117

[Moemers]

Posted by JohnColeridge (here)
I remember the pre-2012 truthing days. Such a milieu of ideas and enquiries, a growing movement of people seeking truth in many areas ranging from specific events (such as 9/11) to the nature of reality, and everything in between. Some people made excellent cases, presented compelling arguments supported by facts and evidence, while others indulged in wild speculation presented as factual certainty.

So many debates, discussions, analyses. There wasn't much that could be proved with a degree of certainty. Many people disagreed on this and that, all the usual heated exchanges.

There was, however, one matter on which many of us converged, something we could agree on with a reasonable degree of certainty. The facts and the evidence supported the notion that the entire political system cannot be trusted, and that the most likely solution lies beyond the flawed system we've inherited. And it was compelling. We could observe the ruling classes, the private power groupings, measure their wealth, determine their influence; we hypothesised that private power groups could use their private power to circumvent checks and balances and gain control of the entire political spectrum, left and right. We could test out that hypothesis, and we found evidence of private power groups establishing schools and universities that educate the politicians, and those politicians end up in all the political parties (and that's just the tip of the iceberg). So we had MO. Is there motive? Of course. Ruling classes depend on the socio-power structure for all of their advantages. They have a clear motive for reducing their risk. We concluded that the system is a rigged game. Think of those rigged sideshows at fun fairs, you know, the hoop game. It's been set up so you can never win - the game-runner has reduced his risk. It's a bit like that.

In all these years I have yet to see this conclusion be falsified.

So I cannot, in good conscience, get behind the Trump movement, or any political party in any part of the world, or any hero, saviour or prestigious personality. It would simply be a betrayal of not only what I believe to be truth, but also my values.

I can, nonetheless, empathise with the people who get behind Trump. They need a win, they need to feel like someone's got their back, that someone understands, they're part of something, part of a family. These are all ordinary human needs, and I understand you, I get it, I really do.

And I have no doubt that many of the Trump voters are decent people (and by the same token, I'm sure there's a lot of decent people who didn't vote for Trump).

Yet I can't help thinking that it's possible for good people to be manipulated. After all, by 2010 the power groups were aware of the 'unprecedented geo-political awakening' (Brzezinski, 2008). Essentially they were cognizant of the growing 'truth movement' that was getting ever better at running down their games. Do you really think these people of industry and ambition would sit back and take it? Or is it more reasonable to assume they'll counter-strategise, game the hell out of it, and come up with a solution: we'll give them the champion they desire and channel their dissident energy back into the system.

Now I put my hands up here, I don't know for certain. Essentially I'm just brainstorming.

However, the facts and evidence against Trump are many. And the likes of TLAV, James Corbett and Whitney Webb et al. make compelling cases. Worth checking out for some alternative angles.

As William Blake said: 'The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind'.

That works both ways, so I'm open to persuasion. Make your case, but make it good.

Many thanks for reading.

Best wishes to you all.

I'm quoting this in whole because it needs to be re-iterated. I have been reading "conspiracy stuff" since my dad's friend gave me 'Rule by Secrecy' when I was 11 and I have been around this forum and the Project Camelot material for a long time, barring an extended absence, and I have been and continue to be absolutely flabbergasted at the support for any Political anything within this world, including Trump. I've seen members on here say they believe what the FBI is saying. Something that would have been an absolute anathema even 10 years ago.

Thank you John, for saying this, because it's something I have been mystified by and you said what I have privately concluded for a long time and much more eloquently than I could have.

I'm open to seeing what happens in the next 4 years because it will be different, I don't think that's a question, but what is happening that people in this realm are believing the FBI and cheering for a government?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moemers (here)
...what is happening that people in this realm are believing the FBI and cheering for a government?

I'm cheering for the executive orders, and other actions, that may make the US a better place.

[grapevine]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'm as optimistic and hopeful as anyone here — but this response, full of diplomatic blunders and bad information, was not a good start.



(Do listen to the short video. Trump clearly doesn't know a thing about Russia or the war. Fortunately, Putin and Lavrov are far too savvy and sophisticated to let silly remarks like this to get in the way of a constructive meeting.)

~~~

Trump on Russo-Ukrainian War:
Putin should make a deal. I think he's destroying Russia by not making a deal.
Russia's going to be in big trouble if the conflict continues.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1881587273298522117

Disappointing that he's being given the wrong information and concerning that his team haven't done their own homework on this very important issue. A similar outlook is being shown in this short video which is also concerning:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mIcXxO4Vnnk

As the President says, however, give him a break as he's only been in office a few hours. Are we wrong to expect that he would be better informed and more on top of these situations?

[norman]

Front seat cheer leaders or aloof observers are all spectators.

The real fix is right-way-up participation. I must stress participation as distinct from selfish 'prepperism'.

Back in their good old days when the global magician mafia thought they had it all under their control and had a full suit of strategic assets to ensure their plan would manifest for them, they too were aloof, observational and prepped to sit it all out at a safe distance without ever a hint of getting behind any one or thing involved in the clearburn/meltdown.

Are we to mimic that, or participate in opposing and stopping it ?

[ExomatrixTV]

• Media IN PANIC After Trump Does What NO PRESIDENT Ever Has:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pOiiMy6Zq1w

Donald Trump is sworn in, and he is focused, decisive, and is already delivering on promises made to the American people… He did something in his inauguration speech yesterday though that was unprecedented in American history.

• What You Probably Missed at Trump's Inauguration..:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vD45aEVJvxk

Sure, all eyes were on Donald Trump and Joe Biden but here’s some other faces that were seen at the inauguration.

[Michel Leclerc]

Bill wrote above:

I'm cheering for the executive orders, and other actions, that may make the US a better place.

I had a few sceptic remarks Bill.. but prefer to erase them after all — I do wish that the new American president is successful. For the United States – but not only for them.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Trump STOPS All Foreign Aid And Sends Message To Zelensky:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fQVO6u8BeQA

Trump STOPS All Foreign Aid And Sends Message To Zelensky ... Donald Trump has signed a decree through which he freezes all foreign aid for the next 90 days. In this episode we’ll discuss how Trump’s foreign policy will look, especially in the context of Ukraine.

[Ascension]

Is it just me or does a multi-trillion dollar project to create an AI infrastructure in the US to invent person-specific mRna cancer vaccines (the example given for a possible use) sound beyond fishy. Then, to listen to the media in the room direct questions to the president about the release of the DC riot participants rather than discuss the elephant in the room??

[norman]

Posted by Ascension (here)
Is it just me or does a multi-trillion dollar project to create an AI infrastructure in the US to invent person-specific mRna cancer vaccines (the example given for a possible use) sound beyond fishy. Then, to listen to the media in the room direct questions to the president about the release of the DC riot participants rather than discuss the elephant in the room??

It's fishy, also, that no one has yet mentioned that America is in a full blown war to preserve it's nation status (no mention of Republic), against a cartel of foreign nation states at a time when nationhood is supposed to end or dissolve away into a global corporate technocracy centred around a single hub that China has recently proved itself incapable of hosting.

[Moemers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moemers (here)
...what is happening that people in this realm are believing the FBI and cheering for a government?

I'm cheering for the executive orders, and other actions, that may make the US a better place.

hey, I agree, I'd like to see that too, but you gotta admit having been so active yourself that there has been a sea change

[Ascension]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Ascension (here)
Is it just me or does a multi-trillion dollar project to create an AI infrastructure in the US to invent person-specific mRna cancer vaccines (the example given for a possible use) sound beyond fishy. Then, to listen to the media in the room direct questions to the president about the release of the DC riot participants rather than discuss the elephant in the room??

It's fishy, also, that no one has yet mentioned that America is in a full blown war to preserve it's nation status (no mention of Republic), against a cartel of foreign nation states at a time when nationhood is supposed to end or dissolve away into a global corporate technocracy centred around a single hub that China has recently proved itself incapable of hosting.

Hey Norman, is there another thread somewhere discussing the points you are mentioning?

[Alecs]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zDo_RrzdRoQ

Well that didn't take long. The first press conference, T***p pulls in three global tech CEOs to announce the formation of Stargate a new American company to invest $500+ billion in colosal AI infrastructure, starting in Texas. T***p brags that the project will create almost 100,000 jobs almost immediately. And, he's going to issue a lot of emergency declarations because, as we know, the facilities (collosal data centers) need to have a lot of electricity and we have to get this stuff built.

Larry Ellison's talking point: "The kind of applications that we're building, to give you an idea, maybe the most charismatic and one that I think touches us all is, uh, electronic health records. Not just maintaining electronic health records but by looking at electric health records, understanding the condition of... the doctors better understanding the condition of their patients, and being able to provide healthcare plans that are much better than they otherwise would be. A doctor in Indian River Reservation would be able to see how a doctor at Memorial Sloan Kettering would treat the patient, or a doctor at Stanford would treat the patient. We actually provide all of that information, all of that guidance to the doctors who are treating cancer patients or any other kind of disease made possible by AI."

Ellison adds "One of the most exciting things we're working on ... again, using the tools that Sam and Masa are providing, uh, is a cancer vaccine. It's very interesting. It turns out all of our cancers, cancer tumors, little fragments of those tumors float around in your blood. So, you can do early cancer detection with a blood test. And, using AI to look at the blood test, you can find the cancers that are actually seriously threatening the person. So we can, again... cancer diagnosis using AI as the promise of being just a simple blood test. Then beyond that, once we gene sequence, once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person and vaccinate them against that cancer. And, you can make that vaccine, that mRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically again using AI in about 48 hours. So, imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you, and have that vaccine available in 48 hours. This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future."

The naive and obvious question: Where's the public debate on any of this? What about stopping cancer and other diseases by getting toxins out of the soil, water, food and packaging, and getting good exercise and reducing stress -- the common sense solution? What they're instead implementing is technocracy under the guise of "healthcare".

[SilentFeathers]

It is a bit disturbing that the 1st full day into Trump's Presidency a ginormous multi-billion dollar project is started with one of its main focus is mRNA vaccines. (and nano technology/electronic health records etc.).

And then there's Musk with Neuralink Corp, Starlink, etc etc joined at the hip with Trump.

Then we have all the tech giants like Bezos, Zuckyboy, Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Peter Thiel, Jenson Huang etc., kissing the ring of Trump.

I want to trust Trump and I have hope he'll fix a lot of things, but on day one I'm seeing an AI and Transhumanism demonic nightmare from hell coming together.

For now I'll give Trump the benefit of doubt, but, there's no more important time to pay attention to things than now!

[Flash]

Posted by Moemers (here)

Posted by JohnColeridge (here)
I remember the pre-2012 truthing days. Such a milieu of ideas and enquiries, a growing movement of people seeking truth in many areas ranging from specific events (such as 9/11) to the nature of reality, and everything in between. Some people made excellent cases, presented compelling arguments supported by facts and evidence, while others indulged in wild speculation presented as factual certainty.

So many debates, discussions, analyses. There wasn't much that could be proved with a degree of certainty. Many people disagreed on this and that, all the usual heated exchanges.

There was, however, one matter on which many of us converged, something we could agree on with a reasonable degree of certainty. The facts and the evidence supported the notion that the entire political system cannot be trusted, and that the most likely solution lies beyond the flawed system we've inherited. And it was compelling. We could observe the ruling classes, the private power groupings, measure their wealth, determine their influence; we hypothesised that private power groups could use their private power to circumvent checks and balances and gain control of the entire political spectrum, left and right. We could test out that hypothesis, and we found evidence of private power groups establishing schools and universities that educate the politicians, and those politicians end up in all the political parties (and that's just the tip of the iceberg). So we had MO. Is there motive? Of course. Ruling classes depend on the socio-power structure for all of their advantages. They have a clear motive for reducing their risk. We concluded that the system is a rigged game. Think of those rigged sideshows at fun fairs, you know, the hoop game. It's been set up so you can never win - the game-runner has reduced his risk. It's a bit like that.

In all these years I have yet to see this conclusion be falsified.

So I cannot, in good conscience, get behind the Trump movement, or any political party in any part of the world, or any hero, saviour or prestigious personality. It would simply be a betrayal of not only what I believe to be truth, but also my values.

I can, nonetheless, empathise with the people who get behind Trump. They need a win, they need to feel like someone's got their back, that someone understands, they're part of something, part of a family. These are all ordinary human needs, and I understand you, I get it, I really do.

And I have no doubt that many of the Trump voters are decent people (and by the same token, I'm sure there's a lot of decent people who didn't vote for Trump).

Yet I can't help thinking that it's possible for good people to be manipulated. After all, by 2010 the power groups were aware of the 'unprecedented geo-political awakening' (Brzezinski, 2008). Essentially they were cognizant of the growing 'truth movement' that was getting ever better at running down their games. Do you really think these people of industry and ambition would sit back and take it? Or is it more reasonable to assume they'll counter-strategise, game the hell out of it, and come up with a solution: we'll give them the champion they desire and channel their dissident energy back into the system.

Now I put my hands up here, I don't know for certain. Essentially I'm just brainstorming.

However, the facts and evidence against Trump are many. And the likes of TLAV, James Corbett and Whitney Webb et al. make compelling cases. Worth checking out for some alternative angles.

As William Blake said: 'The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind'.

That works both ways, so I'm open to persuasion. Make your case, but make it good.

Many thanks for reading.

Best wishes to you all.

I'm quoting this in whole because it needs to be re-iterated. I have been reading "conspiracy stuff" since my dad's friend gave me 'Rule by Secrecy' when I was 11 and I have been around this forum and the Project Camelot material for a long time, barring an extended absence, and I have been and continue to be absolutely flabbergasted at the support for any Political anything within this world, including Trump. I've seen members on here say they believe what the FBI is saying. Something that would have been an absolute anathema even 10 years ago.

Thank you John, for saying this, because it's something I have been mystified by and you said what I have privately concluded for a long time and much more eloquently than I could have.

I'm open to seeing what happens in the next ça4 years because it will be different, I don't think that's a question, but what is happening that people in this realm are believing the FBI and cheering for a government?

Trump may have shown its true colours by wanting to take Groenland by pure force and Canada by economic force (the whole ‘analysis’ on US commercial deficit is simply wrongly calculated to justify anything, a farce, the target is to put Canada to its knees in order to grab its humongous resources for a peanut. Those are dictatorial ways. And I wonder about Musk signal as well.

Now the full fledge run for AI and trans humanism through the medical information on every US citizen???? Aren’t you thinking China will be jealous? This is soooo dangerous to be misappropriate. Who trust Bezos and company? With no people people oversight! Come on guys.

It is more than scary. You would need an archangel disguise as human not to abuse such power and Trump ain’t it. Neither Silicon Valley.

I cannot believe I think like that, I never ever doubted the overall good nature of American citizenrie, able to balance out the baddies. But this won’t be controllable.

[apokalypse]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
It is a bit disturbing that the 1st full day into Trump's Presidency a ginormous multi-billion dollar project is started with one of its main focus is mRNA vaccines. (and nano technology/electronic health records etc.).

And then there's Musk with Neuralink Corp, Starlink, etc etc joined at the hip with Trump.

Then we have all the tech giants like Bezos, Zuckyboy, Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Peter Thiel, Jenson Huang etc., kissing the ring of Trump.

I want to trust Trump and I have hope he'll fix a lot of things, but on day one I'm seeing an AI and Transhumanism demonic nightmare from hell coming together.

i don't know about you guys but whole border thing just noise for me but i'm watching out these kind of stuff...big tech right now behind trump.

For now I'll give Trump the benefit of doubt, but, there's no more important time to pay attention to things than now!

i thought of creating this thread specificly about that whole tech thing as expected Trump get selected by elites for that reason entering into 21st century with AI and among other stuff dealing with technocrat...Elon is forefront of it.

[T Smith]

Posted by Eric J (Viking) (here)

Public health experts have been critical of Trump's decision to leave the WHO, warning there could be consequences for Americans' health.

Yes. There will be consequences. They will live longer.

[T Smith]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

I take exception to this one interesting statement:

We will be a nation like no other, full of compassion, courage, and exceptionalism.

Tiens, tiens, comme on dit en français.. "exceptionalism", where have I heard that before?

I don't disagree.

You might consider taking the "nationalist" rhetoric, however, with a grain salt. America has been under a brutal attack for a long time now. Culturally, psychologically, constitutionally. As in, existentially under attack--not with bullets and bombs and foreign armies--but with psychological operations and 5th dimensional warfare. Many conflate--even associate--the attacker with the American nation itself...

This speech, as I see it, is a blowback to the many years of this attack against America, dating as far back as 1963 with the assassination of JFK.

Standing up to the bully, on the playground, as perceived by an abbreviated snapshot without broader context, can--and does--come off as off-putting, self-centered, and the narcissistic characteristic of a person with an over-exaggerated sense of self importance. Who is this small person and what makes him so worthy to fight?

I'm reminded, now, of eight-year-old Billy, bloodied nose and all--beaten and pummeled by a much larger and more clever bloke--who finally pulled himself up from the dirt, skinny-armed and fist pumped, who defiantly declared proudly to the entire playground as he confronted the much larger bully, I'm an exceptional person, proud and tall! You can bloody my nose and knock me to the ground, but you can't take my dignity!

Sometimes the sheer will to survive requires a degree of annoying conceit....