WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[gini]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Smr3OHPFdxk

--5min--1/3/25-George Galloway destroying Piers Morgan

[apokalypse]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Considering that it was the USA deep state that started the Ukraine war in 2014 with their CIA regime change coup, and continued the war thanks to Boris Johnson's meddling in March 2022. Trump team should acknowledge that.

Neither Zelensky nor Trump should be arguing about who's right or wrong. They need to stop this war now to stop the pointless killing at the frontlines.

If he's serious about peace, Trump could simply stop sending weapons to Ukraine, withdraw all USA troops from Europe, and get out of NATO. But instead he's trying to extract minerals from Ukraine, minerals which are now on Russia's side, and proposing US & EU troops in Ukraine to guard the minerals loot.

Surely Trump is aware that this would only inflame the war?

so true...this whole crap is dog and pony show

[Rizotto]

Many online commentators made a similar observation: If only Trump dealt with Nethanyahu like he did with Zelensky on February 28 in the Oval Office...
That's what it would take to truly put 'America First'.

[Bruce G Charlton]

I would endorse the corrective viewpoint Rizotto puts forward here.

I think it would be a bit quick off the mark to describe what have been so far (necessarily) publicity stunts by Trump as “action”. All that has “happened” has been at the level of statements; and media reports, which certainly will not be accurate, will be distorted, and may be false.

This latest is another bit of PR; until we see what actually eventuates wrt Ukraine.

Thus far, I don’t see any serious realism wrt Russia from the DT administration. It does seem that DT wants to make “a deal” but he does not seem to appreciate that this will be a negotiation of surrender terms – and that Russia has much larger goals than a Ukr surrender (i.e. new global security and economic arrangements).


Further; we ought not to forget that Z is and always has been a puppet of the USA. He is in-place only because the US engineered a coup and installed/sustained the regime he inherited. Ukraine went to war and kept fighting only because the US wanted them to.

Consequently, especially given that Z is after all An Actor – it is far from impossible that this humiliation was done with Z’s complicity (whether willing or not – he is of course a puppet) and that it is part of some kind of exit-deal for him. Z was always going to be time-limited and expendable in his role – whether or not he realized it; and Z has (so says the media) feathered multiple luxury nests accordingly, to which he can retreat when the time comes.


I am so far completely unconvinced that the new DT administration has any genuinely positive strategy. So far, this frenzy of negative-destructive (Schadenfreude-inducing!) policies all looks to me just like a palace coup, office politics, a kind of civil war among the (all variously evil-motivated) oligarchs – replacing one lot of the baddies with another.

There is an analogous situation in Europe, in which the non-negotiable occupation of many/most European nations (and the UK) by large US military bases; is now being rhetorically re-described by Trump as the US military assistance that is now being withdrawn. The anger and angst of UK/ European leaders at this “liberation” from US control, is simply that they are Quislings who owe their position to being (at the bottom line) underwritten by the US military.


We also need to realize that for Trump (as opposed to Biden) Ukraine is a sideshow; and therefore watch carefully what actually happens in the Middle East, since DT’s major backers have their major stake in that region. I am waiting to see how DT is compelled to pay back the debt incurred by this essential support for the non-sabotage and actual awarding of the election to DT, and the (otherwise astonishing) feebleness of consequent opposition to his becoming President.

The new lot in charge may be less bad than the previous gang, in terms of wanting greater US functionality; or maybe they are just bad but in a different way – such as wanting to rebuild a more efficient and effective totalitarianism in The West?

[norman]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
I would endorse the corrective viewpoint Rizotto puts forward here.

I think it would be a bit quick off the mark to describe what have been so far (necessarily) publicity stunts by Trump as “action”. All that has “happened” has been at the level of statements; and media reports, which certainly will not be accurate, will be distorted, and may be false.

This latest is another bit of PR; until we see what actually eventuates wrt Ukraine.

Thus far, I don’t see any serious realism wrt Russia from the DT administration. It does seem that DT wants to make “a deal” but he does not seem to appreciate that this will be a negotiation of surrender terms – and that Russia has much larger goals than a Ukr surrender (i.e. new global security and economic arrangements).


Further; we ought not to forget that Z is and always has been a puppet of the USA. He is in-place only because the US engineered a coup and installed/sustained the regime he inherited. Ukraine went to war and kept fighting only because the US wanted them to.

Consequently, especially given that Z is after all An Actor – it is far from impossible that this humiliation was done with Z’s complicity (whether willing or not – he is of course a puppet) and that it is part of some kind of exit-deal for him. Z was always going to be time-limited and expendable in his role – whether or not he realized it; and Z has (so says the media) feathered multiple luxury nests accordingly, to which he can retreat when the time comes.


I am so far completely unconvinced that the new DT administration has any genuinely positive strategy. So far, this frenzy of negative-destructive (Schadenfreude-inducing!) policies all looks to me just like a palace coup, office politics, a kind of civil war among the (all variously evil-motivated) oligarchs – replacing one lot of the baddies with another.

There is an analogous situation in Europe, in which the non-negotiable occupation of many/most European nations (and the UK) by large US military bases; is now being rhetorically re-described by Trump as the US military assistance that is now being withdrawn. The anger and angst of UK/ European leaders at this “liberation” from US control, is simply that they are Quislings who owe their position to being (at the bottom line) underwritten by the US military.


We also need to realize that for Trump (as opposed to Biden) Ukraine is a sideshow; and therefore watch carefully what actually happens in the Middle East, since DT’s major backers have their major stake in that region. I am waiting to see how DT is compelled to pay back the debt incurred by this essential support for the non-sabotage and actual awarding of the election to DT, and the (otherwise astonishing) feebleness of consequent opposition to his becoming President.

The new lot in charge may be less bad than the previous gang, in terms of wanting greater US functionality; or maybe they are just bad but in a different way – such as wanting to rebuild a more efficient and effective totalitarianism in The West?

It's impossible to pick all this apart with the significant factors labelled by the names of nation states.

The enemy doesn't and never has regarded modern first-world nation states (and many others) as relevant to their goal in any other way than as process management shell operations.

[Bruce G Charlton]

@Norman - "It's impossible to pick all this apart with the significant factors labelled by the names of nation states."

I certainly agree in an ultimate sense. It depends how deep you go.

But some nations and their leaders have considerably more autonomy and agency than others. Some are active units, to some extent; whereas others (the puppets) are more like middle managers, and merely implement decisions that are handed-down to them.

For me, all life including all politics is ultimately a manifestation of the spiritual war of this world; between the side of God the creator, and the side that is against God and creation.

But in the Western politics (especially geopolitics) of 2025 that we observe and have reported in the mass media and official sources - All the participants are on the anti-God side, and the powerful among them do not make even a pretence fundamentally to be guided by religious-spiritual motivations. Quite the opposite!

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[norman]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
@Norman - "It's impossible to pick all this apart with the significant factors labelled by the names of nation states."

I certainly agree in an ultimate sense. It depends how deep you go.

Whether we see ourselves as "God's Army" or as focussed in prayer and energy, if we don't go all the way, none of this get's fixed, it will only be like a divorce and re-romancing another faithless marriage.

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[bojancan]

I was thinking quite a lot... about yesterday happening in WH.. also about all what was happening for ten years or more...
The insistence of Trump administration... to plan to acquire Ukrainian natural resources as such a way surprised me and saddened me a lot....sorry!
War with Russia was not just Ukrainian fault... but mostly western countries fault.. primarily US!!!!
They insisted for decades to expand NATO toward Russian border we know and US was/is with that... they were running over 40 laboratories in Ukraine... bioweapons.. child trafficking.. etc.. and not yet in public exposure... Trump and Co... why do not expose about that NOW????
US and allies.. / crazy Boris / also prevented Ukraine from signing already agreed peace treaty with Russia in Istanbul.... specially US kept loading Ukrainians as Israel with weapons and money so that they wouldn’t stop fighting Russians... etc.
Now that Ukraine is very much beaten and destroyed... I am so sad about average people... I know one Ukrainian opera singer, came in Slovenia with their family... mother and father are there...
Ukrainians alone are now in need of a lot of resources to rebuild... but US wants to come in... and steal those very much needed resources...
Am I wrong by calling this kind of behaviour satanic.... I really don’t think so!
Thank you for your attention...

Here is Brian Berletič analysis of yesterday ....
"Brian Berletic" Kalibrated Live #138

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mMhgwI33bAI

[JackMcThorn]

Posted by bojancan (here)
...but US wants to come in... and steal those very much needed resources...
Am I wrong by calling this kind of behaviour satanic.... I really don’t think so!

Henry Kissinger said, "To be an enemy of America is dangerous; but to be a friend is fatal."

I see your comment regarding 'stealing resources' and raise you that the world return all the financial resources Americans have provided in the past; to include all of the expenses of rebuilding after wars.

An ungrateful world continues to make its demands on America's sons and daughters for nary an opportunity to make her whole after the fact. They are so willing to take while Americans have been so willing to give.

Well, some of the evil in America is no longer - at least for a few short years. It is too early to judge this weeks old administration.

I understand, where you sit, you stand.

[kfm27917]

https://korybko.substack.com/p/zelen...dRedirect=true

[ExomatrixTV]

• George Galloway SPANKS Piers Morgan Over Ukraine!:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3okZAj5Ue_Q

[kfm27917]

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s...3/trump170.htm

shoking message to uS allies

US Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, told NATO allies on 13 February 2025 in Brussels,

The War [Ukraine] must stop

No more bloodshed, No NATO for Ukraine

No back to pre-2014 border

"We [the US] will not get involved in a war against Russia via Ukraine, no matter what"...

The latter are also President Donald Trump's words.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by bojancan (here)
The insistence of Trump administration... to plan to acquire Ukrainian natural resources as such a way surprised me and saddened me a lot....sorry!

That's not correct: the entire proposal for a deal by which US would obtain Ukrainian mineral rights was first suggested by Zelensky. Not by the Trump administration.

[Tintin]

Scott Ritter on RT yesterday comments on the fall-out from the Oval Office event. His view is that the minerals deal is just a secondary string; that this was a deliberate ambush to expose Zelensky for who/what he is following the recent barbs sent Trump's way. (In the meantime our snivelling lickspittle UK government welcome Zelensky with yet more theatre Mind you, just a brief scroll through the 10,000 or so comments gives one some comfort though )

[Jaak]

[apokalypse]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
I would endorse the corrective viewpoint Rizotto puts forward here.

I think it would be a bit quick off the mark to describe what have been so far (necessarily) publicity stunts by Trump as “action”. All that has “happened” has been at the level of statements; and media reports, which certainly will not be accurate, will be distorted, and may be false.

This latest is another bit of PR; until we see what actually eventuates wrt Ukraine.

Thus far, I don’t see any serious realism wrt Russia from the DT administration. It does seem that DT wants to make “a deal” but he does not seem to appreciate that this will be a negotiation of surrender terms – and that Russia has much larger goals than a Ukr surrender (i.e. new global security and economic arrangements).


Further; we ought not to forget that Z is and always has been a puppet of the USA. He is in-place only because the US engineered a coup and installed/sustained the regime he inherited. Ukraine went to war and kept fighting only because the US wanted them to.

Consequently, especially given that Z is after all An Actor – it is far from impossible that this humiliation was done with Z’s complicity (whether willing or not – he is of course a puppet) and that it is part of some kind of exit-deal for him. Z was always going to be time-limited and expendable in his role – whether or not he realized it; and Z has (so says the media) feathered multiple luxury nests accordingly, to which he can retreat when the time comes.


I am so far completely unconvinced that the new DT administration has any genuinely positive strategy. So far, this frenzy of negative-destructive (Schadenfreude-inducing!) policies all looks to me just like a palace coup, office politics, a kind of civil war among the (all variously evil-motivated) oligarchs – replacing one lot of the baddies with another.

There is an analogous situation in Europe, in which the non-negotiable occupation of many/most European nations (and the UK) by large US military bases; is now being rhetorically re-described by Trump as the US military assistance that is now being withdrawn. The anger and angst of UK/ European leaders at this “liberation” from US control, is simply that they are Quislings who owe their position to being (at the bottom line) underwritten by the US military.


We also need to realize that for Trump (as opposed to Biden) Ukraine is a sideshow; and therefore watch carefully what actually happens in the Middle East, since DT’s major backers have their major stake in that region. I am waiting to see how DT is compelled to pay back the debt incurred by this essential support for the non-sabotage and actual awarding of the election to DT, and the (otherwise astonishing) feebleness of consequent opposition to his becoming President.

The new lot in charge may be less bad than the previous gang, in terms of wanting greater US functionality; or maybe they are just bad but in a different way – such as wanting to rebuild a more efficient and effective totalitarianism in The West?

great take and just what i thought...question that i have ask after that whole crap zelensky in white house with Vance/Trump is why they have this show on..zelensky is puppet to US.

[bojancan]

Regarding of spending money .. giving money to Ukraine...
I was listening Trump said, that US gave/spent 300 billions for Ukraine... and EU spent only 100 billions... I think... in these numbers of EU... UK is not included.. I think so...
Just minutes ago.. I red this article from today here....

How much has the US given to Ukraine?

Has the United States spent $300-$350bn on Ukraine aid?

President Trump has made this claim on a number of occasions - including when he hosted France's President Macron in the White House this week.
Short answer: Figures suggest the actual spend is much lower.
BBC Verify can find no evidence to back up the claim. There are different calculations on US spending in or related to Ukraine - and they produce a much lower figure.

The Kiel Institute is a German-based think tank tracking support going into Ukraine. It calculated that the United States spent $119.7bn (£94.3bn) on aid between January 2022 and December 2024.
Others have reached a higher figure - but with a broader definition of what counts as spending on Ukraine.
The US Department of Defense has provided a figure looking at all spending on Operation Atlantic Resolve - a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
It says $182.8bn has been "appropriated" - a figure that covers US military training in Europe and replenishment of US defence stocks.
Either way, both figures are considerably lower than claimed by the president.
We asked the White House about the basis for the $350bn claim. So far, it hasn't provided an explanation...


Has the United States spent $200bn more than Europe?

President Trump has claimed: "We've spent more than $300bn and Europe has spent about $100bn - that's a big difference"
Short answer: Figures suggest Europe has spent more when all aid is included and, as above, we can't find any evidence for the $300bn figure.


Very interesting... more here:


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o