The Kordylewski Clouds + Plasma Universe

[RickSyzer]

Hi there

A few questions about plasma (even though I'm going to read this book, which looks so interesting)

-How do these plasma have a connection in more conventional words with the cloud discovered by the Hungarians?

-How could they be a consciousness and is this the only topic talking about it? (here)

-Is it said in the topic and further that we could not "die" and also as bad new, not die either... what could it mean? Is it related to the system that imprisons us in the current 3D density and matrix? i mean, many topics mention the fact that without the proper ascension, we could get stuck at death. can u clarify this for me?

Thank you for all you do.

[jaybee]

Posted by RickSyzer (here)
Hi there

A few questions about plasma (even though I'm going to read this book, which looks so interesting)

-How do these plasma have a connection in more conventional words with the cloud discovered by the Hungarians?

-How could they be a consciousness and is this the only topic talking about it? (here)

-Is it said in the topic and further that we could not "die" and also as bad new, not die either... what could it mean? Is it related to the system that imprisons us in the current 3D density and matrix? i mean, many topics mention the fact that without the proper ascension, we could get stuck at death. can u clarify this for me?

Thank you for all you do.

welcome to the forum (and thread) RickSyzer...

'the meaning of life the universe and everything'.... yes it would be great to get clarification on that..... ........forgive me - I jest......


deep questions -


I'll pick up on the bolded and this is a quote from my Opening Post ....

In the interview another great quote - (there are many)....@43:33....


'There's the good news and then there's the bad news - the good news is that nobody dies - the bad news is................. nobody dies.....'

I think Robert Temple has what could be described as a wry sense of humour and I consider what he said (re quote above) deeply philosophical and a deceptively simple way to convey some really big thoughts about our existence and consciousness....

I (personally) don't think it was about being imprisoned - and that's all I can say by way of an answer to that...which isn't much but it's all I've got at the moment....

cheers

[shaberon]

Posted by RickSyzer (here)
-How do these plasma have a connection in more conventional words with the cloud discovered by the Hungarians?

I would say the important thing is there are at least sixteen kinds of known plasma.

I don't get the sense that "stellar dust" is necessarily "living" as we are -- however, plasma is capable of interactions with itself. A suggestion was made that the clouds could retain memory-like impressions, similar to a hard drive.


My personal response to the acknowledgement of the "Plasma Individual" is what it says in The Mahatma Letters.

They admire the fact that Dr. Crookes "tried" and got the Fourth State of Matter; they thought if he "tried" again, he might get the Fifth. They said if he got close to the Sixth, they would take him and bind him to secrecy.

As for the Seventh, they reacted to a Materialist Philosophe in the circle around Voltaire, Baron d'Holbach. The Baron had penned -- and it may have been anonymously -- that what we call consciousness was a material substance.

Therefor, the Plasma Individual is not really the consciousness itself, but its bridge to the electro-physical brain.

Whether it exists in a way that is part of the astral body, or after death, I do not know. First I would say it is more importantly related to how such consciousness is of the Sun. There isn't death because it isn't coming from this temporary body, it's like a drop of sunlight.

[wegge]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by RickSyzer (here)
-How do these plasma have a connection in more conventional words with the cloud discovered by the Hungarians?

I would say the important thing is there are at least sixteen kinds of known plasma.

I don't get the sense that "stellar dust" is necessarily "living" as we are -- however, plasma is capable of interactions with itself. A suggestion was made that the clouds could retain memory-like impressions, similar to a hard drive.


My personal response to the acknowledgement of the "Plasma Individual" is what it says in The Mahatma Letters.

They admire the fact that Dr. Crookes "tried" and got the Fourth State of Matter; they thought if he "tried" again, he might get the Fifth. They said if he got close to the Sixth, they would take him and bind him to secrecy.

As for the Seventh, they reacted to a Materialist Philosophe in the circle around Voltaire, Baron d'Holbach. The Baron had penned -- and it may have been anonymously -- that what we call consciousness was a material substance.

Therefor, the Plasma Individual is not really the consciousness itself, but its bridge to the electro-physical brain.

Whether it exists in a way that is part of the astral body, or after death, I do not know. First I would say it is more importantly related to how such consciousness is of the Sun. There isn't death because it isn't coming from this temporary body, it's like a drop of sunlight.

What was the story behind the Mahatma Letters? One day they showed up at the Theosophists headquarters in India?

I recall Ingo Swann using an experimental setup, supposedly given in the Mahatma Letters (dark room, a magnet over his head and some kind of bronze[?] mirror) -- which blew his doors of perception too wide open, but which also resulted in his ability to see the sexual subtle bodies of people and thereby resulting in his book "Psychic Sexuality."

[shaberon]

Posted by wegge (here)
What was the story behind the Mahatma Letters? One day they showed up at the Theosophists headquarters in India?

I recall Ingo Swann using an experimental setup, supposedly given in the Mahatma Letters (dark room, a magnet over his head and some kind of bronze[?] mirror) -- which blew his doors of perception too wide open, but which also resulted in his ability to see the sexual subtle bodies of people and thereby resulting in his book "Psychic Sexuality."

Good question. It's...a saga.

For me, personally, I did not know much about Theosophy. I explored most of the "systems" that were going around, via Golden Dawn or weird stuff like Eckankar, and none of it really stuck. I wound up in Buddhism. That stuck.

I found the Letters somewhere in a used book store, and immediately noticed the difficulty as to it being the first attempt to reveal Buddhism from the "inside" into the English language.

I pored over it and realized the later "Theosophical Society" had nothing to do with it.

When A. P. Sinnett passed away, his maid found the box, submitted it, and it was a tough decision to publish. In one area it says "not intended for publication", most likely because they were personal, individual responses to certain people, not any kind of "group teaching". But elsewhere it says "may be freely quoted without attribution". The latter view was chosen for the entire collection.

The set-up you mention is in there; it includes one's feet in a glass bowl. The mirror is highly polished copper, I think.

Now of course the gadgetry is merely an amplifier, such abilities are part of the human being, I have experienced it -- in fact I had to force it to stop. The best analogy is the science articles that go over the head of "Electric Body" (which anyone can sense) because "Plasma Body" is indeed finer, more subtle or softer.

As far as the Letters, some of them were written normally, some were telegrams, others were "precipitated", that is, teleported.

On that last note, Society for Psychic Research did everything they could to discredit it, but consider the source, Mme. Coulomb. Quite highly biased. None of those reports are useful.

Precipitation works something like a fax (line by line) and is also similar to the imprints of leaves that remain on rocks for ages.

The situation was that English people would not listen to anything without "proof", and so minor exercises like the appearance of letters were done to "prove" that there is an invisible world. Of course, they wanted more "proofs", and the transference of abilities to themselves, which was far from the point. They lost the point.

Dr. Crookes discovered Plasma in 1883, and it is only since 2015 that the west has allowed themselves to research it on a human level.

Another point made is how some substances retain everything that passes before them, similar to the "stellar dust" theory, but in this case it is plainly physical. The main operative is snow, There's no shortage of snow in Tibet. A weaker example is steel. It doesn't usually cover the landscape, but it lasts longer. This is not "psychic", but just an enhanced ability of the eyes. As I posted previously, the "psychic" equivalent -- that some say may be in the dust -- is obviously not physical. HPB called it "astral light", which is why the later phrase, "Akashic Records", is wrong. The later pseudo-Theosophical system of "planes" is not just an error; for someone of my ethos, it is tantamount to blasphemy. Of course, it stems from someone wanting to be "more right" than original Theosophy, which, in general, nobody took the first step of. And so this box of "inside information" is fascinating compared to the "one side" given in all other publications.

The conclusion is that out of over eighty disciples or "chelas", only four succeeded -- none European, all Indian.

It's very dry, It won't give any more details about the exercise mentioned -- the value is almost entirely in the language and the actual chain of events that took place. The closest thing to a doctrine imparted would be Squaring the Circle.

But, comparatively, if you think about a magnet spinning over your head, and go back to the first page or two of this thread where it has Alchemical "Rotation of the Elements", adding the principle of torque, so that rotation causes an upwards force, these must be the same.

Similarly, that the real colors of living light are at "right angles" compared to our normal vision, this is another axiom.

Curiously, there was one letter from Mahatma Narayan (who lived in south India, near Madras) that was not included, because it was independently published in some local magazine. However, it reads exactly the same as the ones from those Mahatmas who frequented Tibet. Where was Count St - Germain around 1756? Near Madras.

There is a visible back story, such as a similar outreach from the Tibetan Buddhists to the Maharaja of Benares in the 1770s. The original motto of the Theosophical Society is the motto of the Maharaja of Benares.

The actual writings of HPB were planned by someone else for over a hundred years.

It has mostly to do with the difficulties of penetrating the English language and brain.

The Letters for the most part are critiques of individuals, whether in terms of writing or behavior. The concession was made for England to become a vessel of Hermetics, rather than pushing Buddhism at it. And so what happened was, the London Lodge president, Anna Kingsford, took this notion and then submitted herself to Golden Dawn, which broke the process. They are collectors of fragments. The Hermetists were rather a living tradition that never spoke out. Comparatively, the work we never received would have been a Mahatma commentary on Eliphas Levi, who they say was close to the true occult principles, but cloaked in Christian garb, as this was necessary to gain readership, if not avoid persecution. You couldn't even put your name on an atheist tract.

Oppositely, the Mahatmas collected everything from the west, from the ancient philosophers to cutting-edge science. There would have been nothing you can tell them that they didn't already know.

[wegge]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by wegge (here)
What was the story behind the Mahatma Letters? One day they showed up at the Theosophists headquarters in India?

I recall Ingo Swann using an experimental setup, supposedly given in the Mahatma Letters (dark room, a magnet over his head and some kind of bronze[?] mirror) -- which blew his doors of perception too wide open, but which also resulted in his ability to see the sexual subtle bodies of people and thereby resulting in his book "Psychic Sexuality."

Good question. It's...a saga.

For me, personally, I did not know much about Theosophy. I explored most of the "systems" that were going around, via Golden Dawn or weird stuff like Eckankar, and none of it really stuck. I wound up in Buddhism. That stuck.

I found the Letters somewhere in a used book store, and immediately noticed the difficulty as to it being the first attempt to reveal Buddhism from the "inside" into the English language.

I pored over it and realized the later "Theosophical Society" had nothing to do with it.

When A. P. Sinnett passed away, his maid found the box, submitted it, and it was a tough decision to publish. In one area it says "not intended for publication", most likely because they were personal, individual responses to certain people, not any kind of "group teaching". But elsewhere it says "may be freely quoted without attribution". The latter view was chosen for the entire collection.

The set-up you mention is in there; it includes one's feet in a glass bowl. The mirror is highly polished copper, I think.

Now of course the gadgetry is merely an amplifier, such abilities are part of the human being, I have experienced it -- in fact I had to force it to stop. The best analogy is the science articles that go over the head of "Electric Body" (which anyone can sense) because "Plasma Body" is indeed finer, more subtle or softer.

As far as the Letters, some of them were written normally, some were telegrams, others were "precipitated", that is, teleported.

On that last note, Society for Psychic Research did everything they could to discredit it, but consider the source, Mme. Coulomb. Quite highly biased. None of those reports are useful.

Precipitation works something like a fax (line by line) and is also similar to the imprints of leaves that remain on rocks for ages.

The situation was that English people would not listen to anything without "proof", and so minor exercises like the appearance of letters were done to "prove" that there is an invisible world. Of course, they wanted more "proofs", and the transference of abilities to themselves, which was far from the point. They lost the point.

Dr. Crookes discovered Plasma in 1883, and it is only since 2015 that the west has allowed themselves to research it on a human level.

Another point made is how some substances retain everything that passes before them, similar to the "stellar dust" theory, but in this case it is plainly physical. The main operative is snow, There's no shortage of snow in Tibet. A weaker example is steel. It doesn't usually cover the landscape, but it lasts longer. This is not "psychic", but just an enhanced ability of the eyes. As I posted previously, the "psychic" equivalent -- that some say may be in the dust -- is obviously not physical. HPB called it "astral light", which is why the later phrase, "Akashic Records", is wrong. The later pseudo-Theosophical system of "planes" is not just an error; for someone of my ethos, it is tantamount to blasphemy. Of course, it stems from someone wanting to be "more right" than original Theosophy, which, in general, nobody took the first step of. And so this box of "inside information" is fascinating compared to the "one side" given in all other publications.

The conclusion is that out of over eighty disciples or "chelas", only four succeeded -- none European, all Indian.

It's very dry, It won't give any more details about the exercise mentioned -- the value is almost entirely in the language and the actual chain of events that took place. The closest thing to a doctrine imparted would be Squaring the Circle.

But, comparatively, if you think about a magnet spinning over your head, and go back to the first page or two of this thread where it has Alchemical "Rotation of the Elements", adding the principle of torque, so that rotation causes an upwards force, these must be the same.

Similarly, that the real colors of living light are at "right angles" compared to our normal vision, this is another axiom.

Curiously, there was one letter from Mahatma Narayan (who lived in south India, near Madras) that was not included, because it was independently published in some local magazine. However, it reads exactly the same as the ones from those Mahatmas who frequented Tibet. Where was Count St - Germain around 1756? Near Madras.

There is a visible back story, such as a similar outreach from the Tibetan Buddhists to the Maharaja of Benares in the 1770s. The original motto of the Theosophical Society is the motto of the Maharaja of Benares.

The actual writings of HPB were planned by someone else for over a hundred years.

It has mostly to do with the difficulties of penetrating the English language and brain.

The Letters for the most part are critiques of individuals, whether in terms of writing or behavior. The concession was made for England to become a vessel of Hermetics, rather than pushing Buddhism at it. And so what happened was, the London Lodge president, Anna Kingsford, took this notion and then submitted herself to Golden Dawn, which broke the process. They are collectors of fragments. The Hermetists were rather a living tradition that never spoke out. Comparatively, the work we never received would have been a Mahatma commentary on Eliphas Levi, who they say was close to the true occult principles, but cloaked in Christian garb, as this was necessary to gain readership, if not avoid persecution. You couldn't even put your name on an atheist tract.

Oppositely, the Mahatmas collected everything from the west, from the ancient philosophers to cutting-edge science. There would have been nothing you can tell them that they didn't already know.

fascinating, thank you for sharing a bit of context!

as for the real colors of living light at a right angle...

This is very interesting.

On this website (https://fractalfield.com/fractalphotosynthesis/) Dan Winter explains some physics behind photosynthesis and how the key wavelengths of light (red with a wavelength of 700nm and violet at 420nm) are harmonics to Planck [or approximate it very closely] - green actually is not and plants "spit it out."

Along these lines, Winter also explains why a 90° angle is considered "evil" in Feng Shui, because at 90° the energy cannot implode (go down the vortex), as compared to angles found in the fractal platonic solids like the dodecahedron or the icosahedron.




On another note, here is some interesting research regarding "ether dynamics," stemming from this link: https://galacticastrologyacademy.com/stargates/

"All movement therefore from the vibrations of atoms to the orbits of our planets and stars leaves their traces in the form of torsion waves in the ether.
A very remarkable phenomenon that Kozyrev discovered by rotating gyroscopes is that they lose very small but measurable amounts of weight.
Also firmly shaking objects could make objects lose weight.

Dr. Harold Aspden of Cambridge University discovered a related phenomenon. He attached a powerful magnet to a gyroscope and spun it at high speeds.
He measured the amount of energy required to accelerate the gyroscope to full speed to be a 1000 Joules.

Now to his surprise when he stopped the gyroscope from spinning and restarted the gyroscope to spin again within 60 seconds after it stopped,
it required 10 times less energy to spin the gyroscope to the same speed. The spin of the gyroscope had added extra spin to the ether that sustains the gyroscope
that lasted for a while before it wore off, rather like the momentum stored in the tea of a teacup after stirring it with a teaspoon.
We now know that spinning magnets are strong torsion wave generators.

The counter rotating Phi spiralling electromagnetic waves in the implosion physics of Dan Winter that spiral into the nucleus of the atom,
likewise cancel the electromagnetic components of the electromagnetic waves and results in a torsion wave.
Russian science has actually many names for Dan Winter's electromagnetic energy vortexes such as spin fields, torsion fields and axion fields"


I've personally felt these field generate in my circlewalking/Bagua practice, where after a while of walking in a circle, the energy field starts to "carry" you around in the circle and you yourself have to do less.

At minute 7:10 of this video he shows whirls getting created in the water. We can imagine creating these same whirls as we walk through the air (ether), thus creating little whirls that give us a push from the back

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S7kKMvdjBuA

[shaberon]

Posted by wegge (here)
On this website (https://fractalfield.com/fractalphotosynthesis/) Dan Winter explains some physics behind photosynthesis and how the key wavelengths of light (red with a wavelength of 700nm and violet at 420nm) are harmonics to Planck [or approximate it very closely] - green actually is not and plants "spit it out."

The sun is green.

They don't *need* that much of the particular frequency.

If they absorb red and violet, that is what they "are", and the cast-off color is what they are not.

The root of this word:


Etymology
From Latin color, from Old Latin colos, from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to hide, conceal”).


having another similar derivation:


hele


Etymology 2
From Middle English helen, helien, from Old English helan (“to conceal, cover, hide”, strong verb) and helian (“to conceal, cover, hide”, weak verb), from Proto-West Germanic *helan, from Proto-Germanic *helaną (“to conceal, stash, receive stolen goods”) and Proto-Germanic *haljaną (“to hull, conceal”); both from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to hide”).

Cognate with Scots heal (“to cover, hide, conceal”), Saterland Frisian hela (“to conceal”)


So "color" has essentially the same meaning as "occult".

hele (third-person singular simple present heles, present participle heling, simple past and past participle heled)

(rare, now chiefly dialectal or archaic) To hide, conceal, and keep secret, especially for a secret society (such as the masons).
(rare, now especially in the phrase "hele in") To cover or conceal (a seedling, plant, roots, etc).


A wound "heals" because it has "covered" itself.


And so, again, I am hampered by the difficulty of expressing the ideas in this language. But it is the same as Lilac Chaser on page one or so of the thread. There is a chance some people may be aware of the Tattva symbols:






It's the same thing, but slower. If I stare at black space for a while -- what happens -- its opposite, or complement appears, then it will be white space. But then you must not be seeing the "reflected" color any more -- something subjective takes over. It's bigger and more powerful. When you transit from one type of vision to the other, then, it seems to me that you have harnessed the "Plasma Individual". Your brain has used plasma as the bridge to something that is not of this world, because you have re-aligned and harmonized the "flux" that is the source of health problems.

Having been a receiver of such arcane lights, I would still say they "look" like plasma, although I cannot be certain that is what they are.

It may, indeed, be seeing things by your own "ray", rather than an external one.


It's in this definition:


A phosphene is the phenomenon of seeing light without light entering the eye.

Phosphenes have also been reported by meditators (called nimitta)...


with a piece of nascent research:

A possible use of phosphenes as part of a brain to brain communication system has been reported. The system called BrainNet, produces phosphenes using transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS). The goal of the research is to connect thoughts brain to brain using a system where signals are detected using electroencephalography (EEG) and delivered using transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS). An experiment was conducted with five different groups, each containing three people. The subjects were split into two groups. Two subjects functioned as the senders, and were connected to EEG electrodes, and a third person functioned as the receiver, who wore the TMS helmet. Each person was stationed in front of a television screen with a Tetris-style game. The senders had to determine if there was a need to rotate the falling blocks, but without the ability to rotate them – only the receiver was able to perform this operation. At the edges of each screen, were two icons with two flashing lights in two different frequencies, (one at 15 Hz and the other at 17 Hz). The sender focused on one icon, or the other to signal that the block should be rotated to the right or the left. The EEG produced a unique signal, which was transmitted to the TMS helmet of the receiver, who perceived phosphenes which differed for the 15 Hz and 17 Hz signal, and rotated the block in the relevant direction. The experiment achieved 81% success.

but they tell me you have to close your eyes.

No you don't.

I've never not seen them everywhere, permanently.

Mainly blue, yellow, red, and pink.

Open or closed eyes, same thing, never ceasing.

Because this is hardwired to my biology, I have no idea, is this baseline normal for others?

The subtle or soft illumination that is capable of emanating from them is so powerful, I can only attempt to describe it in reverse. I don't practice what I practice these days, because you can't do it without the appropriate environment such as the Tibetan dark room. At the last house I lived in a few years ago, I got a little bit better opportunity. I did the preparations and then, when I focused on the visual field, the physical light from one tiny LED of the number lock on a keyboard six feet away felt like an infinite spear ramming through my brain. It was unbearable.

Because it never completely goes away, since then, I had a few daytime eruptions stimulated by sunlight. It was exquisite.

But you better not drive like that.

It was one of the warnings I got when I was young. You don't want to be going sixty-five down the highway and then the world melts and vanishes. That happened. It didn't scare me at all, I had to think about it later and decide to suppress it.

Aside from measuring frequencies, biologists and psychologists have no clue what color is or how vision works.

I have definite experience, which I have not discovered in any western sources.

[wegge]

This is a snippet from part 3 of Chris' rotas series (see post #86 for exmple).

He eplains how the basic ingredients for an implosion (plus cold fusion) to happen are charge separated molecules (as he shows in water) plus turbulence.

He describes this cold fusion (implosion) as a cleaning mechanism of nature, as it transmutes heavier elements into lighter ones (see quick reference in the video).

SO I'M WONDERING NOW, are we as humans living in a planetary cold fusion event? All the ingredients are here, massively polarized (charge separated?) humans plus a lot of turbulence. PLUS, in a fractal twist to the story, the science and understanding of implosion is making a comeback.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MD8WzowU5so

[Delight]

Robert Temple keeps saying in every video that we are plasma beings. I am a plasma being. Plasma can be gaseous, liquid or crystal. I am contemplating what this means. One thing that keeps coming up from my contemplation is how my relationship with PLASMA should be able to bring every quality needed for my energy body. Is it possible that what we call chakras are plasma crystals, what we experience as feeling is liquid plasma. By feelings I mean the qualia that some reference as opposed to the ideas. The gaseous aspect is spirit itself? Thoughts are things created.

And the particles are expression of plasma so all the materia is an expression of plasma? And some "non human intelligences" live close by to us. If we have no idea that we are plasma beings, we can be influenced to create the "ideas" from NHI? Questions and contemplation.

Is the Universe Conscious? Jeffrey Mishlove discusses Robert Temple's book, A New Science of Heaven.
1/26/2025

Plasma is the fourth state of matter and the other three - gas, liquid and solids - emerge out of plasma. This Live Stream Events will focus on how over 99% of the universe is made of plasma and how there are two gigantic clouds of plasma, called the Kordylewski Clouds, hovering between the Earth and the Moon, only recently discovered by astronomers in Hungary. Other revelations not previously known outside narrow academic disciplines include the evidence that in certain circumstances plasma exhibits features that suggest they may be in some sense alive: clouds of plasma have evolved double helixes, banks of cells and crystals, filaments and junctions which could control the flow of electric currents, thus generating an intelligence similar to machine intelligence. We may, in fact, have been looking for signs of extra-terrestrial life in the wrong place. This hypothesis is relevant to our understanding of UFO/UAP phenomena.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lage4oyTdJg

[wegge]

Here's a video about Dan Winter's plasma device, the Theraphi. I share my own experience with it and show a variety of wild testimonials

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kOIEN1HaYD8

[jaybee]

Posted by wegge (here)
Here's a video about Dan Winter's plasma device, the Theraphi. I share my own experience with it and show a variety of wild testimonials

{video snipped = see post above}

Great stuff wegge... thanks for sharing your presentation about 'Theraphi'....first time I've heard about it -

Maybe our Higher Selves reside permanently in the Plasma Universe and Theraphi could help us link up directly and more strongly while we are going through the time allocated for our Earthly existence - an existence that can be tough at times - a bit of a short cut to accessing the Higher Self....when we need to or just want to...

just having a ponder after watching your video...

cheers

[wegge]

I definitely think it can make us more aware of the plasma world yes. Best case would be to have something in your house so you can engage with it on a regular basis and get more of a feeling for it than just going into 1 session and hoping for the big breakthrough.