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    Default Re: Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

    Two very good articles why anti-Russian Propaganda works in the West and is firmly established but does not work - or is deliberately not applied - the other way round.

    One reason why Russian's politicians and media don't do that much anti-West propaganda on their population is because Russians prefer facts to emotions, but propaganda works solely with emotions; for this see the excellent second article by T. Roeper who also refers to the first article because he translated it into German on his informative website.

    https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/t...ian-propaganda

    Quote The Science of Anti-Russian Propaganda
    Professor Glenn Diesen


    Propaganda is a science of persuasion that commonly circumvents the rational considerations of the individual by instead appealing to the unconscious group psychology. The conscious mind tends to be rational, but human behaviour and actions are largely shaped by the unconscious, primordial instincts, and emotions. The rational individual has strong impulses to adapt to the group, thus propaganda aims to influence the irrational group psychology.

    Propaganda as a Science

    Sigmund Freud explored the irrationality of “group psychology” that overrides the rational and critical capacities of the individual. Freud recognised that “a group is extraordinarily credulous and open to influence, it has no critical faculty”.[1] Conformity to the ideas of the group is powerful exactly because it is unconscious. Freud defined group psychology as being: “concerned with the individual man as a member of a race, of a nation, of a caste, of a profession, of an institution, or as a component part of a crowd of people”, which form a collective group consciousness, social instinct, herd instinct or tribal mentality.[2]

    The nephew of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, built on the work of his uncle to develop the foundational literature on political propaganda. Bernays aimed to manipulate the collective consciousness and identity of the group to control the hearts and minds of the masses without their awareness of being manipulated:

    “The group has mental characteristics distinct from those of the individual, and is motivated by impulses and emotions which cannot be explained on the basis of what we know of individual psychology. So the question naturally arose: If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it?”.[3]

    Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman both worked in propaganda for the Woodrow Wilson administration. Bernays had assisted in convincing the American public to join the First World War by selling war as perpetual peace with slogans such as “the war to end all wars” and to “make the world safe for democracy”.

    After the First World War, Bernays used his expertise to manipulate public opinion for commercial purposes with marketing campaigns. For example, Bernays led a marketing campaign convincing women it was feminine and emancipating to smoke cigarettes with the “Torches of Freedom” campaign. Bernays paid women to smoke in the Eastern Sunday Parade of 1929, which follows the principle of source credibility, as propaganda is more efficient when people trust the source and are unaware that it is propaganda.

    Bernays used the same marketing principles for political aims as he was also hired by United Fruit Company when the government of Guatemala introduced new labour laws to protect workers. Bernays convinced the American public that liberal capitalist president of Guatemala was a communist who threatened basic freedoms. After Bernays shifted the American public opinion with deception, President Eisenhower launched a military intervention to topple the government under the auspices of fighting communism and defending freedom. In the 1920s, Joseph Goebbels, who would become the Nazi propaganda minister, became an ardent admirer of Bernays and emulated his propaganda techniques. As Bernays later acknowledged: “They were using my books as the basis for a destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany”.[4]

    As the world became more complex, the general public became more reliant on cognitive shortcuts that often rely on assigned identities to process complex questions. People have to make hundreds or thousands of interpretations and decisions daily, and completely rational choices depend on an extensive assessment of alternatives and knowledge of relevant variables. Heuristics are manipulated by constructing stereotypes based on real or fictitious experiences and patterns of behaviour.

    Most leading scholars on propaganda recognised that democracies are more likely to engage in propaganda as there is a greater need to manage the masses when sovereignty resides among the public. Propaganda is also assumed to be the instrument of state media. However, propaganda relies on source credibility as the message has greater influence when transmitted through a seemingly benign third party. American and British propaganda was more effective than Soviet propaganda during the Cold War as Western propaganda could be disseminated through private corporations and “non-governmental organisations”. Propaganda used to be considered a normal profession until the Germans gave it negative associations in the First World War. Edward Bernays renamed propaganda “public relations” to distinguish between “our” good propaganda and “their” malicious propaganda.

    Anti-Russian Propaganda: The Virtuous “Us” Versus the Evil “Other”

    Human beings organise in groups such as families, tribes, nations or civilisations for meaning, security and even a sense of immortality by reproducing the group. Conformity to the group is driven by powerful instincts to organise around common beliefs, ideas and morality, while the group also punish the individual for failing to conform. Group conformity is a survival instinct that strengthens when confronted by the out-group. The “Othering” of a people or state is instrumental in exaggerating the perceived homogeneity of the in-group and strengthening the collective identity and solidarity, while the out-group is depicted and de-legitimised as the diametrically opposite. Stereotypes are used to mask reason and reality, such as the humanity of the adversary. Propaganda entails appealing to the best in human nature to convince the audience to do the worst in human nature.

    Russia has for centuries been depicted as the civilizational “Other” to the West. The West and Russia have been juxtaposed as Western versus Eastern, European versus Asiatic, civilized versus barbaric, modern versus backward, liberal versus autocratic, and even good versus evil. During the Cold War, ideological dividing lines fell naturally by casting the debate as capitalism versus communism, democracy versus totalitarianism, and Christianity versus atheism. After the Cold War, anti-Russian propaganda was revived by interpreting all political questions through the simplistic binary stereotype of democracy versus authoritarianism, which provides little if any heuristic value to understand the complexities of relations. Portraying Russia as a barbaric other suggests that the West must civilise, contain or destroy Russia to enhance security. Furthermore, a civilising mission or socialising role of the West infers that dominance and hostility are benign and charitable which reaffirms West’s positive self-identification. All competing power interests are concealed in the benign language of liberalism, democracy and human rights.

    Russophobia is not a transitory phenomenon but has proven itself to be incredibly enduring due to its geopolitical function. Unlike the transitory Germanophobia or Francophobia that have been linked to particular wars, Russophobia has an endurance comparable to anti-Semitism. From the efforts of Peter the Great to Europeanise Russia in the early 18th century to the similar efforts of Yeltsin to “return to Europe” in the 1990s, Russia has not been able to escape the role of the “Other”. The West’s rejection of an inclusive European security architecture after the Cold War, in favour of creating a new Europe without Russia, was largely legitimised by the supposed lasting dichotomy between the West and Russia.

    Walter Lippman observed more than a century ago that propaganda is good for war but bad for peace. Propaganda strengthens internal solidarity and assists with mobilising resources against an adversary. However, the public will reject a workable peace if they believe there is a struggle between good and evil. Lippman argued that to overcome the public’s inertia towards conflict “the enemy had to be portrayed as evil incarnate, as absolute and congenital wickedness… As a result of this impassioned nonsense, public opinion became so envenomed that the people would not countenance a workable peace”.[5]

    This lesson remains true today. Selling the narrative of an evil and imperialist Russia unleashing an unprovoked attack on a thriving democracy justified fuelling a proxy war and rejecting any negotiations. The Hitler analogy is powerful as peace requires victory, while diplomacy is appeasement. A workable peace is now difficult to justify as it entails that good compromise with evil.
    https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/sind-di...er-propaganda/
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    Quote Are the Russians too stupid for propaganda?

    This week I published an article about the "science of propaganda," to which a reader asked in the comments whether Russians were "too stupid for the science of propaganda." The answer is "yes," and I want to explain that here.

    by Anti-Spiegel
    April 11, 2025 , 7:00 PM

    On Tuesday, I translated an article titled " The Science Behind Anti-Russian Propaganda ," which very well explained how and why this Western media propaganda works so well. Articles like this, which explain propaganda techniques, obviously don't appeal to a broad audience, as the click count shows, but I find it extremely fascinating because I want to understand in detail how and why propaganda is so effective.

    In the comments below the article, a reader wrote that there is no monopoly on any science and that propaganda methods can and are used by everyone. He suggested that the Russians also engage in this kind of propaganda and accused me of ignoring the topic. He concluded by asking the following question:

    “Or does Mr. Röper want to make us believe that the Russians are too stupid for the science of propaganda?”

    And the answer is "yes." Russians are indeed too stupid for propaganda. This doesn't mean they don't understand how the science of propaganda works, but they can't—or rather, don't want to—use this science. I experience and discuss this at every media conference I attend in Russia.

    I guess I have to explain that.
    Western propaganda

    Propaganda is the same as PR or advertising; it operates according to the same rules and is, in fact, exactly the same. Advertising aims to popularize a product, PR aims to popularize an organization, for example, and (political) propaganda aims to popularize a political course.

    And because it's all exactly the same, the same methods and tools are used. The goal is to appeal to the target audience's emotions, not to factual arguments. No car manufacturer would publish a dry list of its car's technical specifications as an advertisement; instead, they use beautiful images accompanied by music to create a mood. This could be the mood of an off-road adventure, the mood of a harmonious family that's incredibly happy in the car, or whatever.

    This is also how the Western media's anti-Russian propaganda works. They let pictures do the talking, write flowery texts, and thereby create the desired emotions in the reader or viewer: Russians are evil. Russian men beat their wives. Russian soldiers loot and rape because that's perfectly normal in Russia, where men beat their wives.

    In short, in their reports about Russia, just as in advertising, the media appeal to the emotions of the target audience and associate negative feelings with Russia and “the Russians.”

    Of course, Russia knows this, but it still doesn't use these instruments. Why?
    Are the Russians too stupid for propaganda?

    The reason isn't that Russians are too stupid for it; it's that Russian nature is reluctant to appeal to emotions on factual issues. In Russia, they appeal to reason.

    It would be unimaginable for the Russian Foreign Minister to stand in the UN Security Council holding up a test tube filled with a white powder to accuse Iraq of developing weapons of mass destruction. US Secretary of State Powell did just that, ultimately paving the political way for the Iraq War. It worked because it appealed to emotions, creating an image that stuck in everyone's mind: Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and he must be stopped with war!

    Instead, a Russian foreign minister addresses the UN and explains the Russian position in a dry speech, citing provisions of international law and international treaties. This sounds boring to most people and doesn't produce images that could be used propaganda-wise to stir the audience's emotions.

    Russians are reluctant to use emotions to promote their own political position; they want to argue, explain, and convince. And that's far less effective than the emotional propaganda common in the West.
    Russians don't like generalizations

    In Russia, there are also no reports portraying "the Ukrainians" as evil. Russian media draw a strict distinction between the people of a country and the policies of its government. They distinguish between the radicals that exist in every country and the masses of the people in that country. Even during World War II, Russian newsreels never spoke of "the Germans" as evil; instead, they always distinguished between the "fascists" and the Germans.

    In the West, however, propaganda demonizes and dehumanizes the people of Russia across the board. The enemy is not just Putin, but Russia and "the Russians." This one-sided approach can be emotionalized—in contrast to the differentiated approach common in Russia—and this is what is done to create the desired anti-Russian sentiment.

    And that's exactly what Russian media doesn't do. I translate many news and reports from Russian media here, and anyone can see for themselves that this doesn't exist in Russia (as always, there are exceptions to the rule). Russian television doesn't demonize "Ukrainians" across the board; instead, it criticizes the Ukrainian government and the radical movements in Ukraine, while simultaneously claiming that average Ukrainians have to suffer under them. The Russian media always distinguishes between a country's politics and its people.

    Therefore, one could say that the Russians are too stupid to use the science of propaganda. But one could also say (and this would be the correct formulation) that Russia finds these methods repulsive and does not want to descend to that level.

    Therefore, there is an old Cold War joke among Russian journalists in which two Russian soldiers wash their war-stained boots in the Potomac River in Washington and terribly regret that Russia has lost the information war.

    Russia neither won the information war in World War II, nor is it winning it today. One might regret that Russia only understands the science of propaganda but doesn't use it. But that can't be changed, because Russians find emotional manipulation in factual matters such as politics repulsive. The Russians can't overcome their fears...

    All that remains for me to do now is to wish you a nice weekend and, as is customary with “Friday Thoughts,” thank everyone who supports my work.
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)

    (...)

    The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.

    (...)
    I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

    I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.
    (...)
    I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

    I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..
    The source was Pravda, which is often quite sensational and isn't a fraction as reliable as TASS, RIA Novosti, Izvestia or RT. I doubt it's true!


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    Default Re: Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    The World Economic Forum has ordered governments across Europe to completely ban all Russians from buying or owning property outside of Russia.
    (...)
    I am puzzled. The WEF has ordered governments...

    I do not doubt that the WEFists have means to strongly persuade, compel, press local governments into deploying policies they advocate but "order"? That is more something that happens to Mr Schwab himself when, draped in his neo-Raelite robe, he is summoned by his masters..
    The source was Pravda, which is often quite sensational and isn't a fraction as reliable as TASS, RIA Novosti, Izvestia or RT. I doubt it's true!

    Yes it is fake about the WEF policy/ ordering European governments, but the Finland part is true, and the only other source that reported it that way is

    thepeoplesvoice.tv,

    https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/wef-order...ning-property/

    But according to a report by Zerohedge, Finland just passed a bill to completely ban property purchases and transactions by Russians.

    https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1911037884330553696

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    Default Re: Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

    The following is not a satire and not a joke. No, by far not. The following is - unbelievably - a broadcast by ZDF, one of the two German mainstream channels.
    I still cannot believe that they are doing this and that quite a few NPCs in my country might even fall for it (but not all of them).

    So what did their 'investigative journalism' find out about?
    They have 'found' a new scapegoat for all the terrorist islamist attacks (by car, knive) in Germany. And by this they push a 'conspiracy theory' that is so nuts you can easily put it in the category of flat-earth. Yet they still claim that the other side are still the tinfoil-hatters.


    So who is responsible for all the terrorist attacks? Who is behind it pulling the strings, orchestrating it?

    The answer: Putin!

    Yes, you read it right. It's the bloody Russians again. Who else? (Ok could have been the AfD, Trump or climate change too, but only in second place.)

    Again, be reminded this is really happening and it is really a serious report by German Mainstream "News" TV. It could (no: should) be a satire but it really is not. They are dead serious about it.

    But there's hope: I heard that even for some normies it is too far out and they are skeptical of the claims. So they got some backlash but still try to defend and push it.

    Did not find an English text version of the story yet but YouTuber "Clownswelt" (German for "Clown World" - and this is where I live in now in my country) mocks it perfectly and as much as it as I would do, he also quotes reasons by real researchers why their 'evidence' is absolute nonsense.

    (it's in German but for English subs turn on the button down to the right, translation is not perfect but works well enough).
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    Default Re: Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

    Already understood by many of us here on the forum, but, well worth a reminder I think; a historical quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn courtesy of Dmitry K on X:
    “You must understand: the Bolshevik leaders who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and killed millions of Russians without the slightest human remorse.

    The October Revolution was not what you in America call the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people.

    My compatriots suffered more horrific crimes at the hands of these bloodthirsty men than any people or nation has ever suffered in the history of mankind. This should not be underestimated.

    Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time.

    The fact that the world knows nothing about this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
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    Copying this post by Helvetic on his thread:

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    Europe is Infected with Suicidal Russophobia

    ‘The STRONGER RUSSIA is, the STRONGER RUSSOPHOBIA is in the West’

    Russophobia is Racism

    Nowadays Russian culture is being canceled everywhere. 'It is a new type of Russophobia. It’s a kind of ethnic and cultural hate. It is the same as racism.’ Guy Mettan, Swiss historian and journalist, studies how the West has treated Russians for many centuries. He believes that Europe has always applied double standards to Russia.


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    Default Re: Russophobia: why do so many people in the west hate and fear Russia?

    Excellent analysis – which verges on the real explanation when Mettan makes the link with “antisemitism” (which, as I explained elsewhere, should more properly be called anti-Jewism or, less correctly, anti-Judaism), calling Russophobia a form of racism.

    Racism being, as Wilhelm Reich has demonstrated, a psychosis, i.e. a sexual pathology – and when it appears “massively” a form of mass psychosis, i.e. a massive pathology of how sexuality is structured in the mind, felt in the soul and experienced in the body.

    As language is an aspect of our humanity that pervades our entire being, it is not surprising that racism is a disease of how we experience language as well.

    The hatred of the Russians is related to the nature of the Slavonic languages who have rich consonant clusters which are deemed “unpronounceable” to speakers of "Western" languages. But Russian is especially abhorrent because it moreover has a different writing system. In that, it shares the fate of Arabic, which has a few difficult consonants and of course its own writing – and for how long hasn’t the Arabic-speaking cheap working force in Europe been treated with racism by Western populations?

    The lack of interest in using and inclination to use their mouths to speak the language (or for love-making, for that matter) stilts the Westerners’ ability to identify with the other, preferring to de-symbolise – i.e. to diabolise – Russians.

    No wonder Westerners do not actually give a damn about the bodies of the Palestinians or Ukrainians (...or Russians).
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    The best stories often feature a villain because a compelling antagonist creates conflict, which is essential for engaging storytelling. The more masterful and diabolical the villain, the more it elevates the story and shines the spotlight on the hero, the protagonist. Today's corporate media from all over the world have scaled the villain up to cause as much fear and anger as possible. I don't think there is anywhere near the amount of hate towards Russia as some may think, people are busy with their lives, and Russia is some God-forsaken snow-bound country in the north. Media and politicians are the ones promoting the hate, and their ratings are at historical all-time lows. The legacy media channels are dam near out of business, and today's politicians are more hated than Russia.

    On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA. Some of it is obviously well deserved, but ultimately, the hate and the fear are a means of controlling the population.

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    On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA.
    Conversely is the American, UK and European media doing the same thing in the opposing direction? I believe the Roman's had an expression for it?

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    On the other hand, I do believe that the very controlled media in both China and Russia are creating anger and hatred towards the USA.
    Conversely, is the American, UK and European media doing the same thing in the opposing direction? I believe the Roman's had an expression for it?
    My apologies if I did not make myself clear. Western politicians and the mainstream media are creating fear and anger towards Russia daily, but the credibility of the media and politicians is so shattered that people are not buying it. At least in the numbers they hoped.

    On the other hand, China and Russia control their media with a very tight grip, and the propaganda towards the West is a very serious business and at times even comical. If you want to see the effect it is having on the average citizen, then choose a Chinese site that discusses world politics and read the comments towards the West that they are leaving. The anger and hate are almost palatable. It is impossible to know if these comments are from real citizens or government trolls, but it makes little difference.

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