Jesus: A dependable remedy for evil?

[Gemma13]

Having recently read John Keel’s “The Mothman Prophecies”—a remarkable book btw that has an annoyingly misleading title—I intended to post in Mike’s thread of the same name, when I stumbled upon this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1644306

OMG Mike. And all those who shared in the thread. Thank you. I recall the video, but somehow missed reading the ensuing dialogue. Or maybe I did, but it didn’t register at the time because I wasn’t quite ready. I was on the cusp of coming out of a science phase that inevitably followed an I hate everything spiritual phase, after a lifetime invested in a smorgasbord of new age ideologies and practices that offer the proverbial pot of gold at the end of their rainbows.

I’m linking Mike’s thread up front as a precursor because I’m playing catch-up, but also because the dialogue is crisp while succinctly framing what I’m hoping will complement my recent commitment to explore the power of Christ. It'd be great if those interested in this thread could read that one first.

The ultimate goal of this thread—besides all the personal stuff along the way—is to flesh out whether there truly is one, simple, spiritual command that could inevitably evict evil from our world.

Is there enough evidence to even suggest humans could become successful caretakers of each other with a precise, simple set of rules to provide irrefutable immunisation against bad policy and bad behaviour?

Are we constantly foiled with a plethora of deceptions, confusion, and distraction—the playbook of the preternatural demonic—because we succumb to powerful addictions for self-serving belief systems, complexities, and frivolities, that yield little, if any value in our practical world?

Could it really be that simple—one word—one symbol—one weapon that opens a direct line to unimaginable supernatural combatant power?

Did Jesus demonstrate this? Did he bring forth supernatural intervention to combat preternatural evil in our world of free will? And is there a way we can prove this without our heads being severed from our necks in the process?

And what of botched personalities and science and, well, all that other stuff? Can we truly sift stupidity out of good reason and care within governance, and separate wisdom and power from corrupt academia and theology, with a Word?

Evil is busy 24/7 while we slumber and gorge on the banquets it delivers. The menu is endless, yet surprisingly predictable when viewed through a specific lens. The study of demonology, for example, offers a remarkable set of guidelines that seamlessly cross over into other disciplines. In due course, I'd like to bring that lens into focus on the thread.

There's an alarm going off inside me. Although, if I’m honest, it's been ringing all my life. I just got very clever at ignoring it. Time to wake up.

[norman]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Could it really be that simple—one word—one symbol—one weapon that opens a direct line to unimaginable supernatural combatant power?

Did Jesus demonstrate this?

Personally, I don't see any indication in what we know of the life of Jesus that he ever practiced ritual or used symbolism. Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough because I'm already convinced in my own mind that those things are the things of the inversionists, the flip side.

To me his 'power' was the raw strength of his pure faith.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
Having recently read John Keel’s “The Mothman Prophecies”—a remarkable book btw that has an annoyingly misleading title—I intended to post in Mike’s thread of the same name, when I stumbled upon this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1644306

OMG Mike. And all those who shared in the thread. Thank you. I recall the video, but somehow missed reading the ensuing dialogue. Or maybe I did, but it didn’t register at the time because I wasn’t quite ready. I was on the cusp of coming out of a science phase that inevitably followed an I hate everything spiritual phase, after a lifetime invested in a smorgasbord of new age ideologies and practices that offer the proverbial pot of gold at the end of their rainbows.

I’m linking Mike’s thread up front as a precursor because I’m playing catch-up, but also because the dialogue is crisp while succinctly framing what I’m hoping will complement my recent commitment to explore the power of Christ. It'd be great if those interested in this thread could read that one first.

The ultimate goal of this thread—besides all the personal stuff along the way—is to flesh out whether there truly is one, simple, spiritual command that could inevitably evict evil from our world.

Is there enough evidence to even suggest humans could become successful caretakers of each other with a precise, simple set of rules to provide irrefutable immunisation against bad policy and bad behaviour?

Are we constantly foiled with a plethora of deceptions, confusion, and distraction—the playbook of the preternatural demonic—because we succumb to powerful addictions for self-serving belief systems, complexities, and frivolities, that yield little, if any value in our practical world?

Could it really be that simple—one word—one symbol—one weapon that opens a direct line to unimaginable supernatural combatant power?

Did Jesus demonstrate this? Did he bring forth supernatural intervention to combat preternatural evil in our world of free will? And is there a way we can prove this without our heads being severed from our necks in the process?

And what of botched personalities and science and, well, all that other stuff? Can we truly sift stupidity out of good reason and care within governance, and separate wisdom and power from corrupt academia and theology, with a Word?

Evil is busy 24/7 while we slumber and gorge on the banquets it delivers. The menu is endless, yet surprisingly predictable when viewed through a specific lens. The study of demonology, for example, offers a remarkable set of guidelines that seamlessly cross over into other disciplines. In due course, I'd like to bring that lens into focus on the thread.

There's an alarm going off inside me. Although, if I’m honest, it's been ringing all my life. I just got very clever at ignoring it. Time to wake up.

Hi Gemma13. Your main question is the key to your answer.

“The ultimate goal of this thread—besides all the personal stuff along the way—is to flesh out whether there truly is one, simple, spiritual command that could inevitably evict evil from our world.”

You have a nice idea there. Good luck.

My take is that there isn’t such a magic word. All the generations since we got boosted maybe 200k years back, all with the same potential for mental skill and spiritual works, yet evil still happens.

I say, don’t worry for others, but wish them well. And try to take that attitude for oneself as well. Move forward, do the work to make things right. Suffer if need be, meaning no choice. Turn it upward and connect with the highest vibe.

Peace, a word we can actualize. Hey Gemma and all. ♥️👻😎🥰

[Mike]

They say there are no atheists in foxholes, and I believe it.

When it comes to the greatest evils (and for me that's demons) there will be very few Jesus deniers. It's all well and good to talk about shamans and Native American smudging and so on, but when confronted with real honest-to-goodness demons, I firmly believe most people will cry out to Jesus in that moment of desperation. It's in those moments that you find out what you really believe. Show me the person who, in their darkest moment, is going to say "Universe, save me!, or "Source, save me!", or "Higher Self, save me!". When confronted with the greatest evil, no one will be appealing to their "space brothers" or "spirit guides" either. No one will toss their Bible or crucifix to the side and instead thrust an Eckart Tolle book into the chest of an advancing demon. It's easy to say it or write it on a chat forum, but when push comes to shove most people are crying out to Jesus. I'm sure of it.

Any why wouldn't you? No one has a better track record when it comes to repelling evil. Say what you want about the Catholic church, but they've pretty much cornered the market on that. I can't say I've ever heard of a single scenario where anyone other than a Catholic priest, in the name of Jesus, performed a successful exorcism. I'm not saying it's never happened, but if it has I've never heard of it.

I know where my faith lies when the sh!t is hitting the fan, and it's not with the south American witch doctor. It's Jesus all the way, and a good Catholic priest for guidance and strength.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wrong Mike.

Those with firm belief in powers greater than the Anunaki and their stories of redemption will not cry out to The Jesus of the bible.

And God will do as God does. My pleading makes not a bit of difference.

The first premise of the death cult is: For life to continue, we all must embrace death.
The secret is: Life never dies and the dead never lived.

What I am never dies. What I thought I was has never been alive.
When this lie is over the dead thing I inhabited will drop away, and when I still have consciousness I will have to reevaluate what it is I have just experienced as life...
I will not be pleading at my death, I will be greeting my authentic self and having a big laugh at the crazy antics I was up to in my 'life' of self-delusion.

To leave the death cult is the most happy experience of all. That's why it is the last experience every 'human' has. It is a celebration, a coming of age, a great milestone.


This is the world of evil, so there is no warding spell or word of power to eradicate it.
We do not belong here.
The only way out is to die because to get here we had to die too.

We died to get here, we will die to get out.

The evil is here because our small idea of life is left beggared in the world of death. How else could it exist in a place that is its opposite?
This is not our Kingdom, this is the land of chaos, our anti-thesis.
We yearn for law and order, we bring it with us in our hearts because it is what we are. We impose order in our lives but chaos overrides it and mocks our futile efforts.

It is a delaying tactic, sure to fail eventually...

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends, I've changed the title of the thread from Jesus: A dependable prescription for evil? to Jesus: A dependable remedy for evil?

The original can be misunderstood. (Badly!) For example, there's a book titled A Prescription for Evil, which is the true story of pharmacist Robert Courtney who diluted drugs and caused death to thousands of patients.

A prescription usually refers to the way something can be created or achieved. A remedy always refers to a solution.

[Mike]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Wrong Mike.

Those with firm belief in powers greater than the Anunaki and their stories of redemption will not cry out to The Jesus of the bible.

And God will do as God does. My pleading makes not a bit of difference.

The first premise of the death cult is: For life to continue, we all must embrace death.
The secret is: Life never dies and the dead never lived.

What I am never dies. What I thought I was has never been alive.
When this lie is over the dead thing I inhabited will drop away, and when I still have consciousness I will have to reevaluate what it is I have just experienced as life...
I will not be pleading at my death, I will be greeting my authentic self and having a big laugh at the crazy antics I was up to in my 'life' of self-delusion.

To leave the death cult is the most happy experience of all. That's why it is the last experience every 'human' has. It is a celebration, a coming of age, a great milestone.


This is the world of evil, so there is no warding spell or word of power to eradicate it.
We do not belong here.
The only way out is to die because to get here we had to die too.

We died to get here, we will die to get out.

The evil is here because our small idea of life is left beggared in the world of death. How else could it exist in a place that is its opposite?
This is not our Kingdom, this is the land of chaos, our anti-thesis.
We yearn for law and order, we bring it with us in our hearts because it is what we are. We impose order in our lives but chaos overrides it and mocks our futile efforts.

It is a delaying tactic, sure to fail eventually...

Ernie I agree with quite a bit of that actually. Life never dies, and the dead never lived.. I agree.

I wasn't talking about what we'll do at the moment of our natural (biological) death, I was talking about what we'll do in the face of the greatest evil while here on earth.

I know what I'll do. And I think I know what most other people will do too. And in that moment of blinding fear, I doubt anyone will be hesitating on account of what may or may not be 'Annukaki' accounts in the Bible.

Evil will always exist; I don't think Gemma is attempting some kind of warding spells or 'abracadabra' theory here. It's the exact opposite actually. She's asking if a life of devotion and commitment to Jesus is the best answer to evil in this world; that's how I interpret her thread anyway. Gemma please clarify

[Ernie Nemeth]

I see I might have misunderstood the op.

Jesus is a fantastic human archetype to emulate. Jesus resisted temptation, studied in the temples, studied further in the hinterlands, held firm to his beliefs to the point of miracles, repudiated the evil in the world, repudiated the world itself, and then died to this reality, only to live again as the truth.

One could do a lot worse than that. But that is a very hard path to follow.
Luckily, the mere contemplation of such a life is a blessing and can be used as protection against the evil forces that oppose us.

He, above all humans, understood the love of God in its intended context.

[Matthew]

Halleluiah to the opening post. Jesus of the Bible, God incarnate, is our salvation from the trap of this world. The Prince of this world thought he had a victory when God the Son died on the cross but the victory was Gods. We are granted the Holy Spirit before we're ready, before we deserve it, by the grace of God, to undermine the prince of this world and to lift us up.

The prince of this world fills this realm with counterfeit love and counterfeit divine power, and the works of Jesus undermines all of that. We aren't saved by our works, and the law of condemnation is a curse. We're saved by God's grace through the blood of Jesus. We might be judged by our works but we aren't saved by them. People don't want to believe in hell, something encouraged by the devil, and no way does God want us to go there.

It's in the Bible that Jesus didn't come to condemn us, unlike the prince of this world who would try to convince us that God does want to condemn us. No, God has judged and condemned the prince of this world (John 16:11), and that sense of guilt and condemnation we sometimes feel is exactly what the unseen evil forces feel, because they are truly judged and condemned. Not us though. Instead we are now adopted children of God Almighty, and He is ALL IN for His adopted children. His love is crazy. Jesus is the living image of our invisible God and His love for you is crazy. He died to ruin the plans of the enemy. So seriously awesome. This does take faith though, He's done everything He can do, and left us to do the bear minimum remaining. That bit is between you and God, let no man or woman, or even any Church, get in the way of your promised relationship with God Almighty who loves you like a perfect father loves His children.

Tetelestai! The bill has been paid!, it is finished!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4DtiMf1xoLM

[rgray222]

I truly believe that all humans arrive on earth with millions of strands of DNA that contain preprogrammed information, such as innate reflexes, instincts and survival skills. Much of our DNA is awash with sacred knowledge of God, the universe and the purpose of existence. From the day of our birth, we are bombarded with learned behaviors that run the gamut from hygiene to war. Over time, our conscious awareness, our clarity of life, is diminished and replaced by learned behaviors and external influences.

Some of these learned behaviors are being presented to mankind by evil external forces and entities. Evil exists outside of humans, embodied in malevolent beings like demons, spirits, or dark forces that are constantly trying to influence or tempt humans to do wrong. To say that mankind is continually besieged by evil thoughts and actions is an understatement. There is a ton of historical evidence and current living proof (in our prisons) that mankind can allow his soul to be taken over by evil forces. Once you understand this information, it is fairly easy to be present and mindful to ward off evil. When you start to view the world through the lens of good and evil, it brings everything into focus, and it becomes second nature to eliminate evil from your life.

To rediscover our knowledge of God and our true purpose, we must awaken the child within—those innocent, curious, and fearless parts that we were acutely aware of at birth. It is within these forgotten strands of DNA that we will find the key to our authentic path.

To regain our clarity of mind, we must examine our learned behaviors. We must let go of so many acquired practices such as corruption, dishonesty, intolerance, hatred, neglect, blame, war and indifference, to name just a few. The answers that we are looking for are woven into our DNA; outside validation is not necessary. Evil tells us every day that life is complex and all of our learned behaviors reside in the grey areas between good and evil, believing this basic lie sends us spiralling further away from God and our life's purpose. There is no grey area and life is painfully simple. Everything we need to know resides within ourselves.

[lightpotential]

Hello Gemma.

You raise some interesting points, and there is one thing that stands out for me in this matter. Something that I have been thinking about myself in the past few months. Are there fundamentally different types of magic?

In a famous Gnostic text known as the Pistis Sophia, there is the following passage:

"The word which thou hast spoken: 'I have taken a third from the power of the rulers of all the æons, and changed their Fate and their sphere over which they rule, in order that, if the race of men invoke them in the mysteries--those which the angels who transgressed have taught them for the accomplishing of their evil and lawless deeds in the mystery of their sorcery,'--in order then that they may no more from this hour accomplish their lawless deeds, because thou hast taken their power from them and from their horoscope-casters and their consulters and from those who declare to the men in the world all things which shall come to pass, in order that they should no more from this hour know how to declare unto them any thing at all which will come to pass (for thou hast changed their spheres, and hast made them spend six months turned to the left and accomplishing their influences, and another six months facing the right and accomplishing their influences),--concerning this word then, my Lord, the power which was in the prophet Isaiah, hath spoken thus and proclaimed aforetime in a spiritual similitude, discoursing on the 'Vision about Egypt': 'Where then, O Egypt, where are thy consulters and horoscope-casters and those who cry |28. out of the earth and those who cry out of their belly? Let them then declare unto thee from now on the deeds which the lord Sabaōth will do!'

See Link: Pistis Sophia

The key part is about men invoking the rulers in their mysteries - those which the angels who transgressed have taught them. And this is especially for horoscope casters and consulters.

I think that the angels who transgressed are the Elohim (ET’s) - a certain faction of them at least, and it is they who taught the race of men the magical arts associated with astrology.

What is interesting about this Gnostic text though, is that Jesus goes on to talk about how he is going to teach his disciples all about “The Mysteries.” The implication being that The Mysteries that he teaches are somehow fundamentally different to what the angels who transgressed taught, although both may be classed as magic.

One should note that the greatest mystery that there is is The Mystery Of The Ineffable, and Jesus says that it is very simple to understand, amazingly enough.

[Delight]

Something that has been on my mind is generational patterns in my own family. For several reasons, I think there are generationally passed on attachments. There is trauma in my family, abuse, drug dependence. Moreover a level of failure to thrive and repeated relationship patterns.

Regarding calling on the name of Jesus, many experiencers say this helps but MANY say it does NOT.

I found this an interesting presentation and something with a large application to healing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nn9YFrEV_vI

[Ernie Nemeth]

'Just' calling on the name of Jesus gives weak protection.

Contemplating 'the mysteries' calms the mind, links the soul to spirit, summons the 'forces' that control the fates, and restores the memory of our affiliation.
Such protection is formidable.

[Mike]

Posted by Delight (here)
Something that has been on my mind is generational patterns in my own family. For several reasons, I think there are generationally passed on attachments. There is trauma in my family, abuse, drug dependence. Moreover a level of failure to thrive and repeated relationship patterns.

Regarding calling on the name of Jesus, many experiencers say this helps but MANY say it does NOT.

I found this an interesting presentation and something with a large application to healing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nn9YFrEV_vI

I'm glad you posted this Maggie Thanks. I'll definitely listen. I get a lot of value out of Father Ripperger.

I can sympathize with you here because I think my family has this same sort of generational curse, if you will. Best of luck to you in sorting yours out.

As far as calling on the name of Jesus: I've heard Father Ripperger say several times that the world is much more evil than its ever been, and as a result things like exorcisms are taking much longer to complete - sometimes months or years even. So an exorcist might say "leave this body in the name of Jesus" hundreds of times before it finally gets the job done.

I mention it here because it makes me wonder how many people tried this once or twice and simply gave up because it didn't have the desired effect.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Dear Friends, I've changed the title of the thread from Jesus: A dependable prescription for evil? to Jesus: A dependable remedy for evil?

The original can be misunderstood. (Badly!) For example, there's a book titled A Prescription for Evil, which is the true story of pharmacist Robert Courtney who diluted drugs and caused death to thousands of patients.

A prescription usually refers to the way something can be created or achieved. A remedy always refers to a solution.

Ew... that book cover is just nasty. Thanks for the edit Bill

[Gemma13]

I’ll start weaving responses through these great comments, but I just wanted to thank everyone for contributing. This topic is paramount in my life, trumping all and everything preceding it.

[thirtythree]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
I truly believe that all humans arrive on earth with millions of strands of DNA that contain preprogrammed information, such as innate reflexes, instincts and survival skills. Much of our DNA is awash with sacred knowledge of God, the universe and the purpose of existence. From the day of our birth, we are bombarded with learned behaviors that run the gamut from hygiene to war. Over time, our conscious awareness, our clarity of life, is diminished and replaced by learned behaviors and external influences.

Some of these learned behaviors are being presented to mankind by evil external forces and entities. Evil exists outside of humans, embodied in malevolent beings like demons, spirits, or dark forces that are constantly trying to influence or tempt humans to do wrong. To say that mankind is continually besieged by evil thoughts and actions is an understatement. There is a ton of historical evidence and current living proof (in our prisons) that mankind can allow his soul to be taken over by evil forces. Once you understand this information, it is fairly easy to be present and mindful to ward off evil. When you start to view the world through the lens of good and evil, it brings everything into focus, and it becomes second nature to eliminate evil from your life.

To rediscover our knowledge of God and our true purpose, we must awaken the child within—those innocent, curious, and fearless parts that we were acutely aware of at birth. It is within these forgotten strands of DNA that we will find the key to our authentic path.

To regain our clarity of mind, we must examine our learned behaviors. We must let go of so many acquired practices such as corruption, dishonesty, intolerance, hatred, neglect, blame, war and indifference, to name just a few. The answers that we are looking for are woven into our DNA; outside validation is not necessary. Evil tells us every day that life is complex and all of our learned behaviors reside in the grey areas between good and evil, believing this basic lie sends us spiralling further away from God and our life's purpose. There is no grey area and life is painfully simple. Everything we need to know resides within ourselves.

Very well put.

[Gemma13]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Could it really be that simple—one word—one symbol—one weapon that opens a direct line to unimaginable supernatural combatant power?

Did Jesus demonstrate this?

Personally, I don't see any indication in what we know of the life of Jesus that he ever practiced ritual or used symbolism. Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough because I'm already convinced in my own mind that those things are the things of the inversionists, the flip side.

To me his 'power' was the raw strength of his pure faith.

Think you nailed it there Norman. And in a few short sentences, I might add. So annoying 😊

It’s well documented that Jesus was the master of exorcisms, and I think it’s crucial to recognize that his success didn’t rely on ritualistic performances but on his impenetrable faith. But faith in what?

Pre-Jesus and well into tomorrow, rituals will be practiced in every culture from remote tribes to metropolises. Flawed human imaginings and/or voices from the ethers that herald life coaching handbooks laced with sonnets of promised euphoria to repugnant betrayals and everything in between. Even unintentionally, many seemingly benign rituals invite evil into this world—well documented, but we’ll get to all that in other posts.

All these rituals have one thing in common. Not one of them has delivered us from evil. Not one. For, well, forever. Same horrible sh!t in the world, different day. And yet, there is evidence for high achievement when Jesus is summoned to evict evil from individuals, places, and objects.

We can debate proof of God till the cows come home when all we have is our subjective experience and favoured belief systems to rely on. But the greatest exorcist to ever live believed in (a) God, claimed to be the son of God, and drew on God’s power to live as one of the most courageous, flawless humans on earth. So, point taken there.

This is why the idea of Jesus incarnating to offer the world a proven and practical solution to immunise against pretty much everything to reduce the risk of accidentally summoning evil, keeps me up at night. Less is best they say, but that’s not as easy as it sounds when you start taking out the scalpel.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
[


Hi Gemma13. Your main question is the key to your answer.

“The ultimate goal of this thread—besides all the personal stuff along the way—is to flesh out whether there truly is one, simple, spiritual command that could inevitably evict evil from our world.”

You have a nice idea there. Good luck.

My take is that there isn’t such a magic word. All the generations since we got boosted maybe 200k years back, all with the same potential for mental skill and spiritual works, yet evil still happens.

I say, don’t worry for others, but wish them well. And try to take that attitude for oneself as well. Move forward, do the work to make things right. Suffer if need be, meaning no choice. Turn it upward and connect with the highest vibe.

Peace, a word we can actualize. Hey Gemma and all. ♥️👻😎🥰

Appreciate wishing well for all Johnny. I have fanciful tendencies, but I’m predominantly a realist on the hunt for solutions, and in a world full of unimaginable volumes of data, tossing it all out to start again is where I’m at.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Mike (here)
They say there are no atheists in foxholes, and I believe it.

When it comes to the greatest evils (and for me that's demons) there will be very few Jesus deniers. It's all well and good to talk about shamans and Native American smudging and so on, but when confronted with real honest-to-goodness demons, I firmly believe most people will cry out to Jesus in that moment of desperation. It's in those moments that you find out what you really believe. Show me the person who, in their darkest moment, is going to say "Universe, save me!, or "Source, save me!", or "Higher Self, save me!". When confronted with the greatest evil, no one will be appealing to their "space brothers" or "spirit guides" either. No one will toss their Bible or crucifix to the side and instead thrust an Eckart Tolle book into the chest of an advancing demon. It's easy to say it or write it on a chat forum, but when push comes to shove most people are crying out to Jesus. I'm sure of it.

Any why wouldn't you? No one has a better track record when it comes to repelling evil. Say what you want about the Catholic church, but they've pretty much cornered the market on that. I can't say I've ever heard of a single scenario where anyone other than a Catholic priest, in the name of Jesus, performed a successful exorcism. I'm not saying it's never happened, but if it has I've never heard of it.

I know where my faith lies when the sh!t is hitting the fan, and it's not with the south American witch doctor. It's Jesus all the way, and a good Catholic priest for guidance and strength.

Wow Mike, remind me, where did you say you worked? I’m tempted to call you Father Mike from now on. 😊 That post was as practical as it was invigorating. It drives straight into the heart of spiritual hygiene, which is a practice I’ve been discovering isn’t as easy as it sounds, considering my background.

It’s a little like… actually, it’s a lot like coming out of a generation that believed smoking cigarettes was good for you because predominant influencers not only said so, they regularly lit up. Heck, medical practitioners were even advertising them as stress relievers.

I’ll share some of the areas that have been extremely challenging for me a little later.