Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[shaberon]

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)

On Friday, in the skies of the northern occupied Palestine, a Shahid-136 drone was also spotted making a flight quietly without being intercepted..

Am I understanding this properly? ‘The dome’ is becoming ineffective now...

As of 3.10 in the morning:

The statement further noted that several squadrons of Shahed-136 drones continuously carried out missions over the skies of the occupied territories on Friday night and the most advanced air defense systems failed to intercept them.


The main idea is like the two red boxes here, where one of them is the vertical tubes of an Arrow 3:





The drone itself is bulky and runs a piston engine, and would probably get shredded by Russian defenses. In exchange, it's going to get rid of whatever you drive into.

I'm not saying they got 199/200 hits and there are no Arrow 3s any more, just that the fire pattern has shifted to small bursts of missiles inside drone swarms that cover the entire country. And there is a strong chance there will be more later the same day.

[Open Minded Dude]

'Israel doing the dirty work' by Friedrich Merz is not going down well with a lot of people in my country. Some well-known artists, politicians, activists, etc. filed a criminal complaint now.

https://www-nachdenkseiten-de.transl..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Criminal complaint against Chancellor Friedrich Merz

An article by: Editorial staff

We, the undersigned, hereby file a criminal complaint against German Chancellor Friedrich Merz. He has, among other things, violated the German Basic Law—in particular Articles 9, 25, and 26.

Mr. Merz, who before becoming Chancellor was Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the world's largest arms investor, BlackRock, "glossed over" Israel's illegal war of aggression against Iran on June 17, 2025, on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Canada, with the words:

“This is the dirty work Israel does for all of us.”

Even if his statement was made abroad, which would have no direct criminal effect, it is primarily intended to have an impact in Germany. If a German head of government, in his role as a role model, believes he can violate Article 26 so openly and publicly, even more people in Germany might feel emboldened to advocate wars of aggression in the future. This is another reason why he must be stopped legally and through the media.

We therefore call on the Federal Prosecutor General and the Berlin Public Prosecutor’s Office to initiate criminal proceedings against the Federal Chancellor.

Among other things, Section 80A of the Criminal Code justifies "incitement to a war of aggression" with "heightened propaganda incentives aimed at the target's emotions." This is likely to be seen as particularly effective—both with regard to the German public and the suffering populations in Iran, Lebanon, and Gaza—particularly in the case of a German Chancellor. The addition of "for all of us" to the so-called "dirty work" also constitutes the violation in a narrow legal interpretation.

Especially since Chancellor Merz has violated “the idea of ​​international understanding” (Article 9 of the Basic Law) and the “commandment of peace” (Article 20, paragraph 3 of the Basic Law), for which he is simultaneously bound by international law in his oath of office under Article 25 of the Basic Law.

The Chancellor is now citing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who claims to have hindered the development of an Iranian nuclear bomb. US intelligence denies this. It should be noted that Netanyahu has been publicly ranting about an Iranian nuclear bomb being near completion since 2002, i.e., for 23 years.

The praise of the Israeli war of aggression as “dirty work for all of us” is in blatant contradiction to this and to the UN Charter.

Article 2.3 states: “All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means.”

Article 2.4 of the UN Charter states even more clearly:

“All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”

The Chancellor's praise of the Israeli Air Force's atrocities not only contradicts national and international law, but also uses Nazi vocabulary. In early 1942, SS Obersturmführer August Häfner justified the mass shooting of 34,000 Jews within 48 hours at Babi Yar with the same cynical phrase "as dirty work."

First signatories:

Dieter Hallervorden (actor)
Albrecht Müller (editor of NachDenkSeiten and former coordinator in the Chancellery)
Jens Berger (editor-in-chief of NachDenkSeiten)
Uwe Steimle (cabaret artist)
Dr. Diether Dehm (musician, journalist weltnetz.tv)
Anette Sorg (NachDenkSeiten)
Klaus Dieter Böhm (entrepreneur)
Dr. Matthias Oehme (publisher; Eulenspiegel group)
Alexa Rodrian (singer)
Sebastian Bahlo (chairman of the Freethinkers Association)
Lukas Zeise (journalist)
Dr. Jenny Farrell (literary scholar)
Jens Fischer Rodrian (musician)
Prof. Dr. Uli Barnickel (sculptor)
Prof. Dr. Sönke Hundt (Weltnetz.tv)
Dr. Sabine Kebir (journalist)
Marion Schneider (entrepreneur)
Patrik Baab (journalist and author)
Andrej Hunko (former Member of the German Bundestag, BSW)
Michael von der Schulenburg (MEP for BSW)
Wolfgang Gehrcke (former Member of the German Bundestag, DIE LINKE)
Christiane Reymann (journalist)
Zaklin Nastic (former Member of the German Bundestag, BSW)

[rgray222]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
So the only question left without discussing right or wrong and assessing blame is should Iran have a nuclear weapon?

They publicly stated they have enough radioactive material to do it.

If they want to, the fissile trigger and weaponizing mechanism is a small matter that can be achieved in a short time, and, if that's what they want to do, they will do it.

If not, they won't.

In terms of the strategy of the Iranian nation -- to remove Zionism -- it's unnecessary. So, I don't have a lot of questions. If that was what he was going to do, he already could have. Something that might happen does not constitute a trespass or sin. That makes it a non-issue compared to actual violations that have happened. Death doesn't care. Would I necromantically summon a victim from Gaza, and say, aren't you glad that wasn't a nuclear weapon?

I guess my reaction isn't one -- having seen the whole thing as smoke and mirrors for political pressure all along, viz., Mr. Grossi in an apparent conflict of interest.

It seems a shame that the West is once again playing the Iranian, and they appear (once again) happy to oblige. One of these days, Iranian and Israeli leaders will do the bidding of their people instead of the bidding of Europe.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if you could necromantically summon a victim from Gaza, they would tell people to stop assessing blame, stop choosing sides, stop the generational hate on both sides and start living. Enough of the death and dying.

From this morning's wire

As of June 21, 2025, U.S. Air Force B-2 Spirit stealth bombers have departed from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri and are en route to the Middle East, likely bound for Diego Garcia, a strategic U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean.

The deployment comes amid heightened tensions between Israel and Iran, with speculation that the U.S. may directly support Israeli military actions against Iran’s nuclear program. The aircraft departed with only partially full fuel tanks, which is a strong indication that they were carrying MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) is a 30,000-pound (13,600 kg)-class precision-guided "bunker buster" bomb.

It appears that the decision is being taken out of the Iranians' hands at least for now.

[Kryztian]

It just gets easier and easier to spot fake war mongering news stories. This ridiculous headline as an example of war mongering mainstream media garbage from The New York Post, the newspaper whose crowning example of journalistic excellence was an article titled "Headless Body in Topless Bar" :

exclusive: Rogue states Russia and Iran attempting to destroy MAGA movement with disinformation bot army
By Isabel Vincent
Published June 19, 2025, 2:14 p.m. ET
https://nypost.com/2025/06/19/us-new...y-maga-report/

Russia and Iran are targeting the Make America Great Again movement and trying to “destabilize the right from within,” according to a new report.

Both rogue states are using tens of thousands of social media bots to amplify untrue voices and opinions “masquerading as MAGA loyalists,” to cause chaos and confusion and question US leadership, The Post has learned.

The bots are automated software applications that mimic human activity on social media.

They are used to amplify real-life influencers who post untrue “false flag” narratives designed to discredit President Donald Trump and his conservative stalwarts, according to a bombshell new report from the Network Contagion Research Institute, a politically neutral nonprofit who study extremism on the web.

The Network Contagion Research Institute is supposedly a 7 years old organization, yet they only appeared as an entity on Wikipedia in November 2024. Their website features many University Professors as being on their board but I have to wonder if any of them are active in this organization. The Post Article does not mention who the actual author of the "research" behind this latest "bot" story. Their budget is just under $1.5 million and it isn't too clear as to where this money comes from but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Open Society Foundations of George Soros.

So, where have we seen this pattern before:

• The media begins to tell Americans (and Europeans ) that we need to counter oligarchs, dictators, even popular elected leaders such as Putin and that they are "a threat to our Democracy."
  
  
• A group of Americans emerges that doesn't buy the mainstream Kool-Aid. They often come from one end of the political spectrum and they don't agree with what their designated media outlets (e.g. MSNBC for liberals, FOX for conservatives) are telling them. Often this group is motivated more by wanting a peaceful, non violent world, more than by any political ideology.
  
  
• Some shady organization suddenly has "information" that there are "bots" that are creating this more peaceful type of consciousness.

Golly gee whiz. When have we seen this thing happen before! How about:

• Russia Gate - based on the now debunked Steele Dossier
  
  
• A 2016 Washing Post story about Russian Fake news which was "discovered" by a fake shady group called "PropOrNot".

And, quite sad to say, look who has bought into this stupidity.

[happyuk]

Right now Trump is struggling to justify bombing Iran to his own base considering Israel was the one that launched the preemptive attack.
Had it been the other way around, Trump would be able to launch the wider regional conflict he's clearly gunning for with much less of an issue.
Why make it easier for him if you're Iran?

[Bill Ryan]

From Chris Martenson yesterday. He shows pretty conclusively that Iran has a Samson Option all of their own — not to destroy the world, but to destroy the world's economy. It's the best analysis of the potential closure of the Straits of Hormuz that I've seen.



https://rumble.com/v6v39qd-closing-t...s-economy.html

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6swdhj

[Ravenlocke]

Mercenary mogul and Blackwater founder Erik Prince came out against Israel’s campaign to drag America into a war with Iran, saying the US shouldn’t get involved.

“This is not our fight. Not our party. If the Israelis want to take out this Iranian site they can use their Air Force or rent planes from any country nearby. They are trying to coerce us in. That’s what this is about, and I’m resolute about it.”

Follow:
@AFpost

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1936451844039127076

[Tintin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
From Chris Martenson yesterday. He shows pretty conclusively that Iran has a Samson Option all of their own — not to destroy the world, but to destroy the world's economy. It's the best analysis of the potential closure of the Straits of Hormuz that I've seen.



https://rumble.com/v6v39qd-closing-t...s-economy.html

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6swdhj

I haven't watched Chris yet but this graphic shows just how busy the Strait usually is. Described thus:

The movement of oil tankers, cargo ships, and condensate vessels through the Arabian Gulf in a single day is documented, demonstrating the importance of the Strait of Hormuz.

From the Kepler Petroleum Institute

[Ravenlocke]

Dimitry Medvedev,
“Sometimes it’s good to ask basic questions, Does Iran have nuclear weapons?….”

https://x.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status...57759836541087

[grapevine]

From now on, most of our usual sources will probably be based on speculative probabilities, even though some of them have insider info. Any leaked information could be viewed as "loose lips sinks ships", ie treason, so they have to be careful.

I watched this video from Alexander Mercouris today and have to say I was extremely shocked that the power/force of the weapon which is intended to scupper the Fordaw uranium stores is bigger than that used on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. (at 31:48).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s17Xa8gjX0U

While on the subject of weapons, let's not forget that apart from the nuclear bomb there are some really disgusting weapons out there, which I'm loath to name.

[shaberon]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
It seems a shame that the West is once again playing the Iranian, and they appear (once again) happy to oblige. One of these days, Iranian and Israeli leaders will do the bidding of their people instead of the bidding of Europe.

Last time I checked, Resistance is an option against the Nakba, which is a grassroots movement, ejecting the Pahlavi shahs, who remain "the west's desired leader".

"People" rarely have a sole bidding, other than in Iran, it is the removal of U. S. forces from the region. They don't all like the theocratic government, but, they are not the 54 Mossad collaborators just arrested, or the nine of them caught trying to flee the country.

All resistance movements in the region have expressed support for the Iranian armed forces as they continue retaliatory operations against the aggressive Zionist entity.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia strongly condemns and denounces the blatant Israeli aggression against the brotherly and Muslim country, Islamic Republic of Iran.

That's an unusual pairing for agreement on anything, but so it is.

The French President also emphasized in this telephone that France did not participate in the Israeli military attack on Iran and did not support it.

I don't see how the two countries involved are doing anything but making independent decisions.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if you could necromantically summon a victim from Gaza, they would tell people to stop assessing blame, stop choosing sides, stop the generational hate on both sides and start living. Enough of the death and dying.

Ok. Others of us may have less confidence in this, such as the cure to oppression is not to sit back and talk peace. Gaza is Hamas. The Nakba started the generational hate that was largely unknown at the time. Since it has only gotten worse, there is no conclusion to not hate Zionism. Rather, we can find a mass of living Israelis who are not particularly happy with the extremist echelon that has taken hold of the entity. I don't have numbers, but it is not a "radical, paid-for fringe".

None of this movement are afraid of death. That's not a factor in decision-making. It's enough of the western-backed terrorist regime. Martyrs intensify the cause.

From this morning's wire

As of June 21, 2025, U.S. Air Force B-2 Spirit stealth bombers have departed from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri and are en route to the Middle East, likely bound for Diego Garcia, a strategic U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean.

The deployment comes amid heightened tensions between Israel and Iran, with speculation that the U.S. may directly support Israeli military actions against Iran’s nuclear program. The aircraft departed with only partially full fuel tanks, which is a strong indication that they were carrying MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) is a 30,000-pound (13,600 kg)-class precision-guided "bunker buster" bomb.

It appears that the decision is being taken out of the Iranians' hands at least for now.

No it's not:

Yemen warns US aggression against Iran to trigger strikes on warships in Red Sea


If they bunker bust some irrelevant enrichment facility, that won't do anything besides constitute a war crime. Like the relatively successful targeted assassinations, attacks on hospitals, ambulances, and population centers, which just enrage the public.

American saber-rattling impresses no one.

A senior US official says that Washington and Tel Aviv are just exhausting the supplies of ballistic missile interceptors, just days into the war with Iran.

It's a Paper Tiger basically to be laughed at.

Unless it can keep violent proxies in its employ, it can't really do anything.

There is no real future for the entity, other than perhaps as a de-militarized zone with a ban on apartheid and extremist policies. It might be called Palestine and ruled by Palestinians, or, at least, part of it probably will be. There could even be forgiveness for former Israelis who demonstrate the ability to live in co-operation. But not for the criminals and the regime.

Pinpoint strikes against military targets are now down to salvos of ten missiles. That's 10% of what was used a week ago. This is a deterrent phase. Again a window of time, to perhaps arrest Likud, or something like that, which, being unlikely to happen, will lead to unstoppable repercussions on all of the infrastructure.

[Rizotto]

Very interesting. (short video)
Already posted in the 'Trump' thread. Posting here as well as Max Blumenthal's comments are highly relevant to this thread as well.

Max Blumenthal: Is Trump afraid of Israel?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_pSFw6Gn4E8

[ExomatrixTV]

source

[ExomatrixTV]

• How Ted Cruz Fell into Tucker Carlson's Trap:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wgzRNEfiygY

[ExomatrixTV]

• Iran’s 'Terrifying' New Arsenal Brings Israel To Its Knees | Israel Iran War:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qs9mMH_tLrE

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Very interesting. (short video)
Already posted in the 'Trump' thread. Posting here as well as Max Blumenthal's comments are highly relevant to this thread as well.

Max Blumenthal: Is Trump afraid of Israel?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_pSFw6Gn4E8

How brilliant. Finally someone who understands that war and peace depend on something more than poker experience.

I was deeply impressed by Blumenthal’s empathic evening walk with Marandi in Tehran’s Martyrs “Arlington” Park. Also because they talked about the Iranians’ political and military psychology, resilience, as opposed to the West’s.

Leaders’ decision-making is, in my humble opinion, modulated by brutal blackmail. Is that not to be expected when blackmail has been part of their grooming from the start?

I guess they can be blackmailed through their loved ones, children.. Trump may have no fear of his own death, but of his loved ones’ death. Mafias fighting.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

source

John, the greater Tehran, like one would say the Greater London, Paris.. has between 13 and 16 million inhabitants, according to which suburbs you include.

[SilentFeathers]

US just struck Iran

https://x.com/RubinReport/status/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
US just struck Iran

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...d-trumps-intel

Trump Confirms Strikes on Iran's Nuclear Sites: Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan "Successfully Targeted"

Update (2005ET):

Hours after U.S. Air Force B-2 Spirit stealth bombers departed Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri en route to the Indo-Pacific region, President Trump announced that U.S. forces had "successfully attacked" three nuclear sites in Iran—Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan.

The president wrote on his Truth Social:

We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space.
A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home.
Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
US just struck Iran

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...d-trumps-intel

Trump Confirms Strikes on Iran's Nuclear Sites: Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan "Successfully Targeted"

Update (2005ET):

Hours after U.S. Air Force B-2 Spirit stealth bombers departed Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri en route to the Indo-Pacific region, President Trump announced that U.S. forces had "successfully attacked" three nuclear sites in Iran—Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan.

The president wrote on his Truth Social:

We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space.
A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home.
Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I'm wondering if we'll ever know exactly what the US just did?????? I image it was a huge strike.

I doubt Iran is just going to sit on their hands and do nothing about this.