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    Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara says NATO members are capitulating to US pressure—particularly from Donald Trump—by increasing defence spending despite already outspending Russia by a wide margin. He argues that Europe remains unnecessarily dependent on American protection and that Trump has used ultimatums to enforce his demands.

    Bishara emphasizes that there’s no real need for more military spending, pointing to the US’s $1 trillion defense budget and calling for investment in health and education instead...

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    Copying this very interesting post by Helvetic on his thread:

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    Source: Patarames on X

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    No friends, this was not a kind gesture by Trump to lift sanctions on Iran's oil exports to China

    ➡️ It is ONE of the concessions Iran demanded for a 🇮🇱-saving casefire

    More will come soon and some people will wonder why...


    Let's do some real-politics analysis:

    - Natanz centrifuges likely evacuated after the initial failed Israeli strikes.
    Then, this low hardened 20 year old facility was likely heavily damaged by the U.S. strike

    - Isfahan above ground UCF plant was almost destroyed by Israeli and U.S. strikes

    - Fordow enrichment plant remains almost certainly full intact

    The results will be:

    - Moving Natanz's evacuated IR-2M and IR-4 to the newly built Natanz highly hardened tunnel complex

    - As Isfahan UCF is not critical for Iran's short-term enrichment. Over the long term, an underground replacement UCF plant will be built

    - Evacuated IR-6 centrifuges from Natanz will replace IR-1 in intact Fordow site

    In summary: The U.S. strike is the perfect pretext for a civilian nuclear program that is for historical events built into highly hardened tunnel complexes.
    A hardened fissle material production chain used to be reserved for nuclear-weapon powers.

    (Maybe Iran left the legacy IR-1 at Natanz for destruction to offer Trump a face-saving exit route during negotiations)


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    Quote @realDonaldTrump
    I was shocked to hear that the State of
    Israel, which has just had one of its Greatest Moments in
    History, and is strongly led by Bibi Netanyahu, is
    continuing its ridiculous Witch Hunt against their Great War
    Time Prime Minister! Bibi and I just went through HELL
    together, fighting a very tough and brilliant longtime enemy
    of Israel, Iran, and Bibi could not have been better,
    sharper, or stronger in his LOVE for the incredible Holy
    Land.
    yesterday i talked about this with someone after saw the the topic from one of videos around here and trying to find it again, today this popup...i really thought bibi gone during the trail but war started and bibi continue to be PM..Bibi really need war for his political survival and the trail.

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    Alastair Crooke : Trump's Grave Miscalculations.
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    We seem to have missed this video from Alastair Crooke via Judge Napolitano - only two days old, which is a lot in today's fast moving climate - but he gives his sound opinion on the attacks to Iran's uraniam facilites.

    Like other sources, Alastair confirmed that he strongly suspected Trump sent messages to the Iranians beforehand, warning of the attack and said that it would be a "one-off". Tomohawks from three Submarines were fired and the damage was superficial. He added that there are pictures of three separate holes, whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uraninium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.

    It's Alastair's opinion that Russia, China and Iran are coordinating very closely and the fact that the US just went in there unchallenged suggests that the attack was pre-orchestrated. He thinks access to the Straits of Hormuz could be restricted rather than mined or ships sunk, which would have a big effect on the US and Europe and that closing it altogether is unnecessary

    Even though there's been a complete news blackout in Israel, Alastair posits that there have been many deaths and injuries to Israeli civilians which haven't been officially declared or acknowledged and, regardless of politcs or relgious divide, our hearts should go out to the affected civilians, the true victims in war. (my words - sorry, my laptop is about to crash, can't finish . . .
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    Alastair Crooke : ... whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uranium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.
    That's not how the GBU-57 massive ordnance penetrators dropped on the Iranian Fordow Uranium Enrichment Plant work The GBU-57 penetrators can, and likely in this case did, go down in pairs, the lead GBU-57 making a hole perhaps 20 feet in diameter and 200 feet deep, and the second GBU-57 following right behind, down that same hole, going perhaps another 200 feet further down, before exploding with destructive force perhaps 400 feet below the ground surface. Damage visible at the surface is just that approximately 20 foot wide, but quite deep, hole.

    I would guess that Alastair Crooke is just repeating an anti-Trump narrative in line with official British stance.
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    Alastair Crooke : ... whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uranium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.
    That's not how the GBU-57 massive ordnance penetrators dropped on the Iranian Fordow Uranium Enrichment Plant work The GBU-57 penetrators can, and likely in this case did, go down in pairs, the lead GBU-57 making a hole perhaps 20 feet in diameter and 200 feet deep, and the second GBU-57 following right behind, down that same hole, going perhaps another 200 feet further down, before exploding with destructive force perhaps 400 feet below the ground surface. Damage visible at the surface is just that approximately 20 foot wide, but quite deep, hole.

    I would guess that Alastair Crooke is just repeating an anti-Trump narrative in line with official British stance.
    That's why I've been recently so critical of most of these experts and analysts.

    Their personal bias and hatred towards Trump prevents them from seeing the bigger picture, many more angles, and the many different possibilities of the current situation and fast changing events taking place. Thus limiting and or corrupting their analysis.

    They can hate Trump all they want but until they leave their personal "feelings" about him out of their assessments, their expertise and analysis of the current events is corrupted to a large degree in my opinion.

    I quit paying attention to them several days ago when I realized they are mostly wrong about almost everything they were claiming was certain to happen.
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    The IAEA may be more badly damaged now than Fordow. They've just been formally banned from Iran.

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21145
    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21155
    • The law of ceasing all cooperation between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has been approved by the Parliament and the Guardian Council, and was officially sent to the President for his signature.
    • (Update)THE LAW WAS SIGNED.
      Iran will now officially have NO cooperation with the IAEA, meaning NO inspections.

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    Quote Posted by grapevine (here)
    Alastair Crooke : Trump's Grave Miscalculations.
    (27:26)
    We seem to have missed this video from Alastair Crooke via Judge Napolitano - only two days old, which is a lot in today's fast moving climate - but he gives his sound opinion on the attacks to Iran's uraniam facilites.

    Like other sources, Alastair confirmed that he strongly suspected Trump sent messages to the Iranians beforehand, warning of the attack and said that it would be a "one-off". Tomohawks from three Submarines were fired and the damage was superficial. He added that there are pictures of three separate holes, whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uraninium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.

    It's Alastair's opinion that Russia, China and Iran are coordinating very closely and the fact that the US just went in there unchallenged suggests that the attack was pre-orchestrated. He thinks access to the Straits of Hormuz could be restricted rather than mined or ships sunk, which would have a big effect on the US and Europe and that closing it altogether is unnecessary

    Even though there's been a complete news blackout in Israel, Alastair posits that there have been many deaths and injuries to Israeli civilians which haven't been officially declared or acknowledged and, regardless of politcs or relgious divide, our hearts should go out to the affected civilians, the true victims in war. (my words - sorry, my laptop is about to crash, can't finish . . .
    Thanks for posting this grapevine.

    Brazilian-based Iranian Nima Alkhorshid also interviewed Alastair Crooke yesterday on his Dialogue Works channel (I believe the first time he has appeared on the channel). It was basically a longer and more detailed version of the Judge Napolitano interview you posted:



    Both are worth watching - at least in my opinion. At times like this there is information overload and it can be very challenging to keep up but Alastair Crooke is never one to miss - at least in my opinion.

    He starts off both interviews by mentioning the AI-generated 'intelligence' generated by Palantir's Mosaic.

    This video that I just watched provides an overview:



    From the description:

    On June 12, 2025, Israel launched a sweeping air campaign on Iran, citing an IAEA report that flagged enriched uranium sufficient for nine nuclear bombs. But behind the report was Mosaic—an AI tool built by Palantir, originally for military surveillance—now quietly used by the IAEA. Mosaic doesn’t confirm facts but predicts hostile intent from metadata. Critics argue this turned the IAEA from a watchdog into a war enabler. Iran claimed Mosaic’s data was outdated and shared with Israel before a censure vote. Days later, Israel struck. IAEA chief Rafael Grossi admitted there was “no proof” of a weapons program. Mosaic’s opaque, unauditable nature raised alarm, with experts warning it’s built for war, not treaty enforcement. For Israel, the AI offered a timely pretext; for Iran, a tragedy. The result: a war triggered not by direct evidence, but an algorithm predicting a threat—weaponizing speculation with deadly consequences.

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    Alastair Crooke : ... whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uranium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.
    That's not how the GBU-57 massive ordnance penetrators dropped on the Iranian Fordow Uranium Enrichment Plant work The GBU-57 penetrators can, and likely in this case did, go down in pairs, the lead GBU-57 making a hole perhaps 20 feet in diameter and 200 feet deep, and the second GBU-57 following right behind, down that same hole, going perhaps another 200 feet further down, before exploding with destructive force perhaps 400 feet below the ground surface. Damage visible at the surface is just that approximately 20 foot wide, but quite deep, hole.

    I would guess that Alastair Crooke is just repeating an anti-Trump narrative in line with official British stance.
    That's why I've been recently so critical of most of these experts and analysts.

    Their personal bias and hatred towards Trump prevents them from seeing the bigger picture, many more angles, and the many different possibilities of the current situation and fast changing events taking place. Thus limiting and or corrupting their analysis.

    They can hate Trump all they want but until they leave their personal "feelings" about him out of their assessments, their expertise and analysis of the current events is corrupted to a large degree in my opinion.

    I quit paying attention to them several days ago when I realized they are mostly wrong about almost everything they were claiming was certain to happen.
    Which experts and analysts are you referring to in particular?

    Of course criticism is not the same as hate. And Alastair Crooke is very level-headed and I've never heard him sound off in a hateful manner about anyone.

    He's a proper British gentleman.

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    Alastair Crooke : ... whereas the intent to destroy Iran's uranium would have resulted in one huge bomb hole with other bombs being dropped into it.
    That's not how the GBU-57 massive ordnance penetrators dropped on the Iranian Fordow Uranium Enrichment Plant work The GBU-57 penetrators can, and likely in this case did, go down in pairs, the lead GBU-57 making a hole perhaps 20 feet in diameter and 200 feet deep, and the second GBU-57 following right behind, down that same hole, going perhaps another 200 feet further down, before exploding with destructive force perhaps 400 feet below the ground surface. Damage visible at the surface is just that approximately 20 foot wide, but quite deep, hole.

    I would guess that Alastair Crooke is just repeating an anti-Trump narrative in line with official British stance.
    That's why I've been recently so critical of most of these experts and analysts.

    Their personal bias and hatred towards Trump prevents them from seeing the bigger picture, many more angles, and the many different possibilities of the current situation and fast changing events taking place. Thus limiting and or corrupting their analysis.

    They can hate Trump all they want but until they leave their personal "feelings" about him out of their assessments, their expertise and analysis of the current events is corrupted to a large degree in my opinion.

    I quit paying attention to them several days ago when I realized they are mostly wrong about almost everything they were claiming was certain to happen.
    Which experts and analysts are you referring to in particular?

    Of course criticism is not the same as hate. And Alastair Crooke is very level-headed and I've never heard him sound off in a hateful manner about anyone.

    He's a proper British gentleman.

    Most of them.

    I'm not saying they don't ever bring something valuable to the table, it's just that lately they've been way off the mark in my opinion.

    I agree, Mr. Crooke is way more level headed than many.
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    by Daniel Alexander Zeck - June 14, 2025:

    "From the beginning, Trump was positioned as the anti-establishment savior. It’s now becoming clearer than ever “why”:
    They knew the people waking up to the system—those who value freedom, question government, value bodily autonomy, etc.—were never going to accept biometric surveillance, expanded wars, digital IDs, Palantir’s domestic surveillance, or digital currency slavery if it came from the left.
    But if you wrap it in anti-globalist language, attach it to a “freedom fighter” persona, and present him as the one taking down the deep state, millions would not only accept these things—they’d defend them. That’s how you hijack a freedom movement without ever needing to crush it directly. It’s a perfect example of controlling the opposition.
    Now here we are. The stage is fully set: Iran (and any nation supporting Iran) is the enemy. Pro-Palestinian voices (or anyone opposing genocide) are being framed as violent extremists. Anyone criticizing the Israeli government gets smeared as antisemitic or a national security threat. Trump is positioned as the one you can trust—the “anti-establishment” hero fighting the globalists while quietly pushing the very same systems his base thinks he’s dismantling. The freedom movement has been psychologically captured and it’s so freaking obvious.
    All that’s left now is a trigger.
    That trigger likely comes in the form of some type of event—a planned attack on US soil, framed as Iranian-backed Islamic terrorism, but orchestrated behind the scenes by the CIA and Mossad. And if it happens, public sentiment flips overnight. People get emotionally hijacked and start demanding action.
    And that’s when the next phase rolls out. Full support for US military involvement in the Middle East. Surveillance expansion justified under “wartime necessity.” Biometric tracking, facial recognition, and digital IDs rolled out as “security measures.” Censorship of dissent framed as “national unity.” Palantir’s full surveillance grid activated to monitor Americans under the banner of “preventing domestic terrorism.” And as the economy destabilized under the weight of war, digital currencies introduced as the “safe, stable solution” to secure the financial system and protect against “cyber threats.”
    Every piece of this is already built. They just need the emotional consent.
    And the false flag—if it happens—isn’t just about launching another war. That’s the front-facing narrative. The real objective is to activate the full centralized, technocratic, biometric, financial control grid—with full public buy-in.
    Same play every time:
    fear -> crisis -> consent -> control.
    More people are seeing it now.
    So what do we actually do?
    We withdraw consent. Physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually. We stop feeding the fear, stop reacting emotionally to their narratives, stop engaging in the left vs right dialectic. We fully unplug from the psychological game.
    We get local. Build real relationships, real community, real resilience outside of their systems. Start trading, growing, bartering, preparing. Parallel systems are the antidote to the control systems.
    We fortify spiritually. Nervous system sovereignty. Prayer. Stillness. Discernment. If we’re reactive, we’re easy to control. If we’re grounded—remembering who we are—we’re useless to their game.
    We get as independent as possible—financially, physically, mentally, emotionally. The less dependent we are, the less leverage they have.
    And we focus our energy on speaking what is true, which naturally wakes up the right people. Not everyone. Just the remnant who already feel it but haven’t fully unplugged.
    Stay grounded. Stay present.
    Remember who you are."

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    Thank you Rizotto.
    Many times excellent.

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    by Daniel Alexander Zeck - June 14, 2025:
    So what do we actually do?

    We withdraw consent. Physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually. We stop feeding the fear, stop reacting emotionally to their narratives, stop engaging in the left vs right dialectic. We fully unplug from the psychological game.
    We get local. Build real relationships, real community, real resilience outside of their systems. Start trading, growing, bartering, preparing. Parallel systems are the antidote to the control systems.
    We fortify spiritually. Nervous system sovereignty. Prayer. Stillness. Discernment. If we’re reactive, we’re easy to control. If we’re grounded—remembering who we are—we’re useless to their game.
    We get as independent as possible—financially, physically, mentally, emotionally. The less dependent we are, the less leverage they have.
    And we focus our energy on speaking what is true, which naturally wakes up the right people. Not everyone. Just the remnant who already feel it but haven’t fully unplugged.
    Stay grounded. Stay present.
    Remember who you are."

    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...W7H3KBhx0aWHA#
    Wow the Trump fear porn is palatable and the twisted pretzel logic is illogical and demonstably flawed. I suppose it is all necessary to get people to click on his site and join the club, which is only $99 for the gold membership and $249 for the platinum.

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    We’ve developed a private membership association that enables you to instantly find like-minded people in your local area: http://<a href="https://thewayfwrd.c...d.com/join</a>
    No humour intended here, but I think the problem is that he needs to seek out and discuss things with people who are not like-minded, otherwise he is operating in an endless echo chamber.

    Oddly enough, in his final paragraph, he somehow arrived back in the real world. There was no good reason for the fear porn and the speculation that Donald Trump may be operating as a double agent, to establish a new world order.

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    This is almost off-topic, but not quite!

    Donald Trump has spoken several times now about how very difficult it would be for the Iranians to have moved and hidden 500 kg of uranium. Knowing that uranium is tremendously heavy, it occurred to me it should be easy to do the math.

    Indeed it was. The density of uranium is 19.1 gm/cc. 30 seconds with a calculator reveals that 500 kg of uranium would be a small cube, just under 1 foot/ 30 cm on each site.

    With a hazmat suit, it'd be a handy thing to stand on to change a lightbulb.

    (Now try finding that somewhere in a country the size of Western Europe)

    Edit to add:

    I then got curious about how many A-bombs that could make, as a cubic foot of uranium, apparently enriched to about 60%, doesn't seem (at first sight!) to be all that much.

    But according to Wikipedia, the 'Little Boy' bomb dropped on Hiroshima contained 64 kg of enriched uranium. Most was enriched to 89%, but some was only 50%, for an average enrichment of 80%.

    What that seems to imply is that not much more work would be needed to create 7 or 8 Hiroshima-sized weapons.

    Nima Alkhorshid from the Dialogue Works YouTube channel, who is a Professor of Engineering in Brazil but is also half-Iranian, let it slip to Pepe Escobar in this interview that he had sources in Iran who had told him that Iran could do this in a couple of weeks.

    This of course explains some of the apparent contradictions and disagreements between Trump, Tulsi, and everyone else who has ever commented on this.

    It's a little like saying, 100% truthfully, that you don't have a gun. But you have all the pieces. And you could assemble them to make a working gun in 10 minutes flat.

    I posted about that here on 14 June — two weeks ago(!) — as I, like Pepe, was so surprised Nima had suddenly said that.

    Every intel analyst worth their salt must already know this. But barely any of these details seem to be discussed anywhere on the net.

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    "Wow the Trump fear porn is palatable and the twisted pretzel logic is illogical and demonstrably flawed."

    The Trump idolizing is much stronger from Trump supporters than those who "fear" him. That fear is more 'disgust'.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This is almost off-topic, but not quite!

    Donald Trump has spoken several times now about how very difficult it would be for the Iranians to have moved and hidden 500 kg of uranium. Knowing that uranium is tremendously heavy, it occurred to me it should be easy to do the math.

    Indeed it was. The density of uranium is 19.1 gm/cc. 30 seconds with a calculator reveals that 500 kg of uranium would be a small cube, just under 1 foot/ 30 cm on each site.

    With a hazmat suit, it'd be a handy thing to stand on to change a lightbulb.

    (Now try finding that somewhere in a country the size of Western Europe)

    Edit to add:

    I then got curious about how many A-bombs that could make, as a cubic foot of uranium, apparently enriched to about 60%, doesn't seem (at first sight!) to be all that much.

    But according to Wikipedia, the 'Little Boy' bomb dropped on Hiroshima contained 64 kg of enriched uranium. Most was enriched to 89%, but some was only 50%, for an average enrichment of 80%.

    What that seems to imply is that not much more would be needed to create 7 or 8 Hiroshima-sized weapons.

    Nima Alkhorshid from the Dialogue Works YouTube channel, who is a Professor of Engineering in Brazil but is also half-Iranian, let it slip to Pepe Escobar in this interview that he had sources in Iran who had told him that Iran could do this in a couple of weeks.

    This of course explains some of the apparent contradictions and disagreements between Trump, Tulsi, and everyone else who has ever commented on this.

    It's a little like saying, 100% truthfully, that you don't have a gun. But you have all the pieces. And you could assemble them to make a working gun in 10 minutes flat.

    I posted about that here on 14 June — two weeks ago(!) — as I, like Pepe, was so surprised Nima had suddenly said that.

    Every intel analyst worth their salt must already know this. But barely any of these details seem to be discussed anywhere on the net.

    They may of actually had some of the nukes built but not in any position to be launched and probably hidden deep in Fordow to avoid detection.

    There's rumors of trucks hauling things out of Fordow some days before the strikes, and then there's those mysterious Chinese cargo planes that snuck in and out of Iran.

    A lot of weird possibilities in the mix of things. It logical to assume that we are being fed mostly lies and are being steered away from what actually went down these last couple of weeks.
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    I'm a little surprised this hasn't been posted here yet, however, given the recent tone in this thread, maybe I shouldn't be.

    Posting it, if for no other reason than to offer some balance. It's been posted almost everywhere, except here.

    Briefing from earlier today, and I found it interesting, informative, educational and thought-provoking. (I've archived it offline.)



    I've mentioned in the past that I often look at ECONCHICKINTELCHICK, on issues of Foreign Policy, Military, Intelligence and Economics. In these recent events she has been way ahead of everyone else on what's happening and what it means, both in terms of timeliness, and perspective.

    Earlier this week she shared this on her TruthSocial account:

    Quote I will be back later to post a bunch, but just want to relay a very cool military fact (that is now declassified) that will wow all of you. Our submarines launched cruise missiles an entire 1 hour plus 40 minutes earlier than when the bombers got there. But were able to synchronize them to impact just minutes before B-2 bombers dropped payloads.
    The precision of this entire military team was…. can’t find the superlative word.
    This complements what Paul has mentioned earlier, operationally.
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    I'm a little surprised this hasn't been posted here yet, however, given the recent tone in this thread, maybe I shouldn't be.

    Posting it, if for no other reason than to offer some balance. It's been posted almost everywhere, except here.

    Briefing from earlier today, and I found it interesting, informative, educational and thought-provoking. (I've archived it offline.)



    I've mentioned in the past that I often look at ECONCHICKINTELCHICK, on issues of Foreign Policy, Military, Intelligence and Economics. In these recent events she has been way ahead of everyone else on what's happening and what it means, both in terms of timeliness, and perspective.

    Earlier this week she shared this on her TruthSocial account:

    Quote I will be back later to post a bunch, but just want to relay a very cool military fact (that is now declassified) that will wow all of you. Our submarines launched cruise missiles an entire 1 hour plus 40 minutes earlier than when the bombers got there. But were able to synchronize them to impact just minutes before B-2 bombers dropped payloads.The precision of this entire military team was…. can’t find the superlative word.
    This complements what Paul has mentioned earlier, operationally.
    I watched the whole thing this morning, it was extremely interesting.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I watched the whole thing this morning, it was extremely interesting.
    Here, Ted Postol takes it all apart.
    (His answer to the question posed by the video title is No, and he explains why.)

    U.S.-Iran Bombing Pentagon Briefing: Can We Believe Their Narrative? w/Ted Postol

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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I watched the whole thing this morning, it was extremely interesting.
    Here, Ted Postol takes it all apart.
    (His answer to the question posed by the video title is No, and he explains why.)

    U.S.-Iran Bombing Pentagon Briefing: Can We Believe Their Narrative? w/Ted Postol

    Kind of what I was referring to in a few previous posts, that is doesn't matter if these targets were completely destroyed or not. The narrative they cemented in place right away (and not to be argued about) is that they were destroyed. Hell, this narrative was basically put in place before the bombers were back in US airspace, before the important intelligence reports were even written.

    This morning I also noticed Hegseth made a blunder trying to justify that the site was obliterated, he, in frustration told a reporter if she really wanted to know how bad it was really obliterated you would need a big shovel. That was a dumb thing to say.

    Another really strange thing I thought of is; Why is Khamenei still alive. We all know if Netanyahu wants someone dead, they almost certainly end up dead. For some odd reason Khamenei is still alive.

    I'm more and more leaning towards my wild conspiracy theory I mentioned in a previous post. (and others I blurted out over the last couple of weeks)
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