Is Ben Davidson starting to run a Doomsday cult?

[neutronstar]

Posted by onawah (here)
Being far from a fault line won't matter that much when whole continents are moving and brand new faults suddenly form, which is what occurs when there is not enough magnetism to keep the continents locked in place.
That happens overnight, not over a long period of time, so it causes huge tsunamis as well.
Continents which are near the poles will suddenly be near the equator and vice versa.
Lands which were dry will suddenly be underwater, other lands will be rising.
True, some DUMBS may be safe, but it's a lot more of a gamble than being at a high elevation which will be dry and a warm climate once the Shift is over.
Something I remember now which Ben clearly said re Doug Vogt's work is that he didn't at all agree that it is possible to pinpoint exact dates of when such events would be occurring by consulting the Torah, though he was in agreement with much else that Doug proposed.

Posted by neutronstar (here)
The fact that he says DUMBs are not the place to be is another reason I have pause with him. You would rather be in a submarine in a hurricane than on the surface, the same thing applies for land. You just don't want to be on a fault line. That is just the kind of message the military would want to put out there to keep people from storming the DUMBs.

Not all DUMBs will be safe but when you have hundred maybe thousands all around the world, many will survive. I would rather be in a DUMB far from a fault line than on the surface. With that being said, I don't want to live through this. I'm too old. If I don't die before it happens it will be one hell of a way to go out.

I heard a geologist say many years ago the best place to survive is deep underground. Plates move in unison and for the most part you wouldn't feel much. Where they collide is a different story. The Gov. is preparing to live in self contained DUMBs for hundreds of years. If we do get a Micronova the surface will be basically unlivable for years. The planet will be covered in a ball of water vapor for years before it all falls back as snow and rain at the equator. Good luck trying to survive that. Any place at a high elevation will be covered in hundreds if not thousands of feet of snow.

If we do get a micronova, I don't want to survive. I don't want to live underground for years and most definitely I wont survive on the surface.

[onawah]

The geomagnetic excursion when the poles flip and the continents relocate overnight are not normal circumstances when "plates move in unison".
They will not just be relocating, but colliding and breaking, rising and sinking, and all in just one day or night, with huge tsunamis inundating coastlines and flooding far inland.
I doubt that geologist from many years ago was referring to those particular circumstances.
Anyone alive during that would definitely be feeling it, no matter where they were on the planet!
Anyone planning to survive the micronova would be well advised to listen to Davidson's talks about what the planet's surface will be like after the micronova, as he has done his homework, collating and corroborating and connnecting the dots from all the credible scientific data he has been collecting for years, and so probably has a pretty good idea.
It's interesting that the reason the Zeta Reticulans have reportedly travelled here is because they lived so long underground after badly polluting and destroying the surface of the planet in the past that they were rendered unable to reproduce, and had to resort to cloning.
Their hope, we are told, was that by retrieving and utilizing human DNA from this time period, they could begin to reproduce again. (Or at least, DNA from before the Covid jabs...)
All in all, not a good recommendation for living deep underground...
It won't be easy obviously, but Ben thinks survival will be possible on the surface in part, but timing and Prepping have to be right.
Observer Ranch should be a good place to learn all about Prepping and activities are ongoing there now; but just getting a basic understanding of what is coming is covered well by the documentaries and playlists now on Davidson's online sites.
The new one coming out in the Fall will contain the most current data, so that should fill in a lot of remaining gaps.
Logically, most souls will be relocating from Earth for the duration (though few seem to be aware of that as yet).
It will be a long time before life on Earth approaches anything like "normal"; there just won't be many bodies available for incarnating into for one thing, unless a lot of ETs decide to relocate here.

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Being far from a fault line won't matter that much when whole continents are moving and brand new faults suddenly form, which is what occurs when there is not enough magnetism to keep the continents locked in place.
That happens overnight, not over a long period of time, so it causes huge tsunamis as well.
Continents which are near the poles will suddenly be near the equator and vice versa.
Lands which were dry will suddenly be underwater, other lands will be rising.
True, some DUMBS may be safe, but it's a lot more of a gamble than being at a high elevation which will be dry and a warm climate once the Shift is over.
Something I remember now which Ben clearly said re Doug Vogt's work is that he didn't at all agree that it is possible to pinpoint exact dates of when such events would be occurring by consulting the Torah, though he was in agreement with much else that Doug proposed.

Posted by neutronstar (here)
The fact that he says DUMBs are not the place to be is another reason I have pause with him. You would rather be in a submarine in a hurricane than on the surface, the same thing applies for land. You just don't want to be on a fault line. That is just the kind of message the military would want to put out there to keep people from storming the DUMBs.

Not all DUMBs will be safe but when you have hundred maybe thousands all around the world, many will survive. I would rather be in a DUMB far from a fault line than on the surface. With that being said, I don't want to live through this. I'm too old. If I don't die before it happens it will be one hell of a way to go out.

I heard a geologist say many years ago the best place to survive is deep underground. Plates move in unison and for the most part you wouldn't feel much. Where they collide is a different story. The Gov. is preparing to live in self contained DUMBs for hundreds of years. If we do get a Micronova the surface will be basically unlivable for years. The planet will be covered in a ball of water vapor for years before it all falls back as snow and rain at the equator. Good luck trying to survive that. Any place at a high elevation will be covered in hundreds if not thousands of feet of snow.

If we do get a micronova, I don't want to survive. I don't want to live underground for years and most definitely I wont survive on the surface.

[onawah]

Apologies for missing your post until now, Mike, and thanks for relating your experience with Ben.
I think a lot of that salt came from the ongoing difficult time with his wife and mother of his children, who was being unfaithful with another member of the community.
He wasn't talking about it until it had finally come to a head and the divorce was finalized, but that confession really explained a lot.
If the murals on the walls of the Denver airport are any indication, and if Colorado is the new seat of the Deep State, then Ben may be right that Denver is now more Satanic than even L.A. or NYC, which is saying a lot.
It makes me shudder to think of it. Part of my childhood was spent there, and it was such a clean and beautiful city back then.
I'm still hoping Ben will mellow out now the divorce is finalized, but that remains to be seen.
I think a lot of the bottled up angst has been coming out since that confession, making him seem quite off kilter emotionally but hopefully that will pass.
As far as the science goes, he will probably be able to keep that separate and his findings will continue to be reliable, as he seems to have always been very disciplined when it comes to the research.
I'm looking forward to the new documentary coming out in the Fall, which should be connecting a lot more dots than the previous one did, maybe more about the geomagnetic excursion.

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Ben is a genuine man of science, he is of course quite young and prone to the vanities and preening ways of the masculine culture, he says 'Denver sucks' because that city is a focal point of the Woke and the abysmal progressive culture eminating from Brussels & the EU. I had a few friction points with young Ben a couple of years ago when I challenged him on some climate points, I pointedd out the work of Tony Heller to him and also briefly discussed some of Arthur M Young's ideas, he is the only science commenatator who has deigned to discuss that material with me, so I was impressed. I am not 100% convinced of his crustal unlocking ideas, that would be an extreme outcome and yes Antarctica did used to be a tropical place, or at least a Jurassic forest it seems: I also like how Ben pushed back on 'dark matter' and some of the flimsy astrophysics of today. The universe is much older than is claimed, the human civilizations also have been around the block more times than is stated, I like Ben even if can be a bit 'salty' - if he is salty at 40 imagine how much of a curmudgeon he will be at 60, he might even reach my stage!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
The geomagnetic excursion when the poles flip and the continents relocate overnight are not normal circumstances when "plates move in unison".
They will not just be relocating, but colliding and breaking, rising and sinking, and all in just one day or night, with huge tsunamis inundating coastlines and flooding far inland.

My speculation is that some 12,000 year catastrophe's are more difficult than others ... perhaps more of us on the surface, in more locations on the earth, will survive in the years following, or perhaps only a few, hardy souls, who lucked out in their location will survive. We'll see when we get there. There is no practical way for us (at least most of us) to know ahead of time.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Jaak (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
I lost interest when I saw his live online video where every other second people were donating money to the 'cause' in some sort of competitive fashion. Ben was not formally trained in astrophysics, and he appears to be always trying to dazzle us with his special 'knowledge' fired at a rapid pace to convince us of his superiority, even without such training.

Indeed for him it is a business. He has made hundreds of thousands of dollars with it while he has been caught misinterpret data on many occasions .
All the money donated over the years for different causes always just ended up in his pocket and the causes never happened , like his doomsday APP etc.
I do suggest people to watch the video i posted . Some of the things he has done is rather shady ..
He might be genuine with his beliefs but turning his beliefs into business just adds a bad taste to it. Im skeptical of everyone these days

Same as Chris Martenson. Took me several years to figure it out. Was caught out by many on his forum, who had a bit more "expertise" than he did, fudging or purposely misinterpreting data to fit his theories. Then there is the phenom of always having to come up with better shinier doomsday stuff to sell merchandise. A total turnoff.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Same as Chris Martenson. Took me several years to figure it out. Was caught out by many on his forum, who had a bit more "expertise" than he did, fudging or purposely misinterpreting data to fit his theories.

I agree with your take on Chris Martenson. I have stopped listening to his economic material long ago; I no longer even recall what I thought of it. But I did pay close attention to his analysis of the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt on Trump ... until I was overwhelmed by the same pattern you describe, and put aside his work there too.

I've not noticed this pattern with Ben Davidson however, at least not yet. Ben remains for me the best source of material for the coming material-electro-magnetic-plasma drama in our solar system and on earth. Whether or not Ben makes a business of his work matters little to me; whether or not he has a high hit ratio with the accuracy, thoroughness, and insights of his work does matter to me.

[onawah]

Apparently you haven't ever taken a look at the Observer Ranch online site, which is where a lot of those funds went.
Then there is the Prepper community on a separate property in the same area where a number of people and kids are living and creating as safe a space as they can, and I believe that is still open to new members who qualify.
See: https://observerranch.com/
The Ranch is quite a large, growing facility with classrooms where noted experts teach, and kids have their own space for study and play, there is a library, a very nice RV park with RVs to rent and hookups for those bringing their own, cabins to rent, a cafeteria, and more, including lots of varied, scheduled events for visitors.
Ben does fund raising on his Q&As, which is standard practice these days, so I don't see how blame can be laid at his door for that.
He is an attorney, but his minor was in the sciences, and if you listen to his updates, he is obviously quite learned, has a high IQ, a very retentive memory and has been extremely dedicated to his scientific research for many years.
He has written a peer-reviewed book and is recognized as credible by many in the field.
I imagine he will be more in the spotlight as time goes on, and has been on quite a few online, notable shows already.
He is obviously very knowledgable when being interviewed verbatim.
He has lots of detractors, no doubt many of them funded by Deep State shills who don't want too much information disseminated about the solar cycle.
He's taken a lot on his shoulders and he's not perfect, so the strain certainly shows at times, but his mission is worthwhile, and I hope that he succeeds.

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Jaak (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
I lost interest when I saw his live online video where every other second people were donating money to the 'cause' in some sort of competitive fashion. Ben was not formally trained in astrophysics, and he appears to be always trying to dazzle us with his special 'knowledge' fired at a rapid pace to convince us of his superiority, even without such training.

Indeed for him it is a business. He has made hundreds of thousands of dollars with it while he has been caught misinterpret data on many occasions .
All the money donated over the years for different causes always just ended up in his pocket and the causes never happened , like his doomsday APP etc.
I do suggest people to watch the video i posted . Some of the things he has done is rather shady ..
He might be genuine with his beliefs but turning his beliefs into business just adds a bad taste to it. Im skeptical of everyone these days

Same as Chris Martenson. Took me several years to figure it out. Was caught out by many on his forum, who had a bit more "expertise" than he did, fudging or purposely misinterpreting data to fit his theories. Then there is the phenom of always having to come up with better shinier doomsday stuff to sell merchandise. A total turnoff.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
Apparently you haven't ever taken a look at the Observer Ranch site, which is where a lot of those funds went, ...

So ? I take it that you're observing that Ben Davidson is making some serious change from his work ... not Warren Buffet or Elon Musk change, but more than likely either of us has, that's for sure.

Ben presents lots of good data and insight, in a tight format, that I find well worth my present time (not much) and money (none) budgets.

Whether or not he's offering a fair deal for the customers of his more lucrative services I've not examined closely, as I'm not presently in that market. However I can, and have, imagined that if I was in that market, then his more lucrative services would be something I considered more closely. When I once had a wife and family and more zero(s) in my cash flow, those are the sorts of services and accommodations that it might have taken to engage my family in serious consideration of relocation to "higher ground".

[onawah]

I'm not sure who you are addressing, or what your comment means. Please explain. Thanks.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Apparently you haven't ever taken a look at the Observer Ranch site, which is where a lot of those funds went, ...

So ? I take it that you're observing that Ben Davidson is making some serious change from his work ... not Warren Buffet or Elon Musk change, but more than likely either of us has, that's for sure.

[Delight]

It seems an observable fact from the various types of residual architecture that building styles are both similar across the globe AND from apparent different eras. (think of the difference betwen the massive stones, the seemingly melted together deliberately styles, the underground chambers which seem to have all material sucked away except for the desired siophisticated or plain construct desired.). This was global continuity in "time past". We don't know what happened to the builders and when we see vitification of stone as if blasted (by the sun?) we surmise something. Models can be built with confirming data. These models can contradict or support others. When we see massive earth changes, we can tell cataclysm of kinds did disrupt the landscape.

I think there is control of weather, earthquakes and "energy" on massive scales. I too see my own confirmations. However, I don't know what happened or happens except MAYBE here in my own small life.

I am interested and overwhelmed by the information that is available. People take on various explanations and stake their reputation and livelihood to the model that use. The inability to cooperate intellectually with all the people who have their own spin is at a tremendous crescendo.

If someone like Ben is given a big voice in shaping what we think, IMO we are developing the basis of cult-ure where we will be effected. The narration of nature as the cause of inevitable doom seems very OPPOSED to my own story. It is just opposite of what I experience. What I see is how human behavior has been thwarting nature. Behind this I perceive a kind of infernal intelligence with an intention to so DAMAGE nature as to make the ECOLOGY unlivable. IMO underneath the actions is INTENTION. Call it the "death cult".

MOREOVER, I look at the evidence of the architecture left behind of epochs where there seem to have been distinct styles and objectives. Those were VERY intelligent beings in those times. What REALLY happened? Was there PERHAPS global catyclysm from NOT NATURE but technology weilded by beings in those times? Did THEY self destruct due to an INVERSION force?

Since I suspect this could be true, just based on the devolving I see now... where poison is in all our creations, where people can actually still hold war as a value. I just see the possibility that it is very IMPORTANT to know JUST what the technology OF THE MIND VIRUS does. A natural ecology is ALL aound us. This is a much more spiritual ecology that supports LIFE as WE know it.

I feel that there have been resets couched in stories like the flood myths. They SAY GOD caused it? God acting as nature? Or is this just a spin on using infernal technology to obliterate an epoch of LIFE? I say if it is technology, WE CAN DEFEAT IT and turn our attention to cooperating with the FORCE of Source and the iNTELLIGENCE of Mother God with her elemental children, and the INTELLIGENCE of father god which is in rhythem with Mother. I see no catyclysm but a sudden metanoia creating KINSHIP with all life. I feel faint when I imagine the joining forces of creation which is shining out Source in our single refractions TOGETHER. From there, we do NOT reset to the iteration of death.

I don't want to be in any CULT-URE which has nihilsim, SELF defeating programs and the wish to control the "future" for one's aims. I am not acusing Ben of being a nihilist but feeling nature is the threat where we ARE part of nature is dark IMO. Business always has the commercial interest. That is a great tool of the INVERSION.

One observation I have is that fearing nature is a trap to steal our innate power as a CHILD of Souce in the world of Source expressing. I choose this vision... I am, God IS and I am meeting the rest of us so we may share our authentic expression and it IS home. I have no idea what it looks like. It just FEELS whole-some and there is no room for the INVERSION of the mind.

Since I am sure many feel this is their intention, who is to say that when "half" the world devolves, we will perhaps EVOLVE with the earth. For those in the cult-ure of death, The whole shebang repeats with new avatars.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm not sure who you are addressing, or what your comment means. Please explain. Thanks.

My fault ... I responded to an interaction between you and AutumnW, thinking it was a response to something I posted earlier. When I realized I later that I had things confused, I left my response, hoping it would make sense anyway.

It clearly didn't.

[onawah]

It's clear from just these current webpages what kind of facilities and events are available at Observer Ranch; not like what the detractors would have anyone believe.
This is not intended as an advertisement but just to give an idea of what is actually there.
https://observerranch.com/events/
https://observerranch.com/learning-center/
https://observerranch.com/campground/

([I]Note: cults are generally not open to the public[/I])

Here is the events calendar just for June and July-- (geared more toward kids and families in the summer months):


Some photos of the facilities:




And just adding this for good measure from Paul who I think has taken a fair measure of Davidson's scientific work:

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Ben presents lots of good data and insight, in a tight format, that I find well worth my present time (not much) and money (none) budgets.

Whether or not he's offering a fair deal for the customers of his more lucrative services I've not examined closely, as I'm not presently in that market. However I can, and have, imagined that if I was in that market, then his more lucrative services would be something I considered more closely. When I once had a wife and family and more zero(s) in my cash flow, those are the sorts of services and accommodations that it might have taken to engage my family in serious consideration of relocation to "higher ground".

[Ascension]

Posted by onawah (here)

It would be difficult to find any threads on the forum these days that aren't part of what you seem to be unwilling to admit to your reality, Delight.
It makes me wonder why you haven't abandoned Avalon for some much more New Agey venue.

As an observer, I viewed your comment to Delight about abandoning Avalon for a "more New Agey venue" as an attack. You pointedly aimed your apparent disdain for what you classify as new age in the direction of Delight, implying she might want to go elsewhere for refusing to arrange her life around doom scenarios.

I've been here for many years, not that it matters, but have substantially limited my visits in the last few years as I feel the forum has devolved over time. Whether it's because the world has changed, or the mindset of active members has changed, I don't know. What used to be a continual plethora of new ideas, and in-depth discussion on a vast array of topics has dried up. Heh, maybe it's because I've seen it all now, or at least seen enough to not to be interested anymore. My point is that just because I don't choose to wallow in gloom, doesn't mean I should leave Avalon.

While I don't think my thoughts, or even collective thoughts can change calamitous outcomes, I do tend to try to stay in observer mode and not settle on anything as a belief. I find that the lack of emotional attachment to events makes it difficult to connect with people, but at the same time, my life seems very even keeled.

I've watched Ben for many years. His material has merit and the cyclical destruction he preaches is a likely outcome. Does this mean I wish to defend him to the extent of putting others down, or even dwell on it in any way? Whether I put four more cans of tuna in my stockpile for the pole shift, or get hit by a bus on the street tomorrow, my physical existence will come to an end at some point.

It doesn't matter.

I'm not attacking you Onawah, as I appreciate your views on many topics. I simply wanted to point out that your comment, whether intentioned as an attack or not, seemed to be one.

[Dumpster Diver]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Bill, I thought you might like to weigh in on the thread here:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1672192
And please don't miss Casey's informative post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1672235

Yes. The new thread asked: Is Ben Davidson starting to run a Doomsday cult?

I'm going to quote Casey's post here, because I entirely agree.

Posted by Casey Claar (here)

It is opportune to say something at this point.

Ben began reporting daily, and I want to emphasize this - DAILY - in roughly 2008.

Back in the beginning, it was just REPORTING, no live-streaming or "salt". No-one really knew who Ben was, his age, or what he looked like, he was just a voice, - a voice reporting HIGHLY INTERESTING things about the sun's daily activity. He had his eye on something, but I couldn't say for sure when the moment came that even he knew exactly what that was. But when he was sure, when he felt certain, he stepped out in front of camera and began to let everyone know. Goodness -he is barely 40 now, to think he was in his very early 20s when he began his daily reports (which used to be much longer and pure raw data) it blows my mind. Anyone with this kind of discipline has my genuine respect. When, just recently in the last year or two Ben started the live-streams, and people SO easily began donating to him I felt he had earned this, every single penny. Again, I will say, he has a decidedly certain skill. He observed the patterns religiously, hours on end, day in and day out for decades and a potential, and even probability presented to him. He has honed his skill for decades, his dedication to collecting incoming data consistently in real time is to me quite clear (regardless of the in front of the camera persona he also began sharing). His work had at this point gained a foothold of deep appreciation in me. I am far more alert to the sun, the magnetic poles and magnetosphere than I ever would have been otherwise. I have been able to use this data to quite successfully help myself, as I age, and also my elderly care clients. I won't go into details, but what the sun is doing is very important to our health, notably our heart health and increased incidence of stroke (all highly important to those I care for).

The entire body of Ben's work is online and on his youtube channel. If it were not important, this work, I would not point this out. Like the man or not what he is doing is important. He is young, and like the rest of us he will make mistakes. The most beneficial thing any one of us can do for him, our fellow man, is see him in the highest light, for the greatest good of one and all. This is what will bring just this more out of him. It is not an easy experience, being known to millions of people, his life experience is now connected to everything we think and feel of him. Help him be more successful/beneficial than not, while lifting yourself in the process by sending nothing but the best in thought-streams out into the ocean in which we all swim.

I am sending my advance gratitude out to you all

Casey

I'll say it more simply (and far less elegantly!): I have no concern about Ben's personality, his personal affairs, or what he may or may not be doing at the Observer Ranch.

I'm only interested in the data he reports, which I'm as sure as I can be might be very important. As some of you may be aware, 6 months ago in November 2024 I received a strong clear message — twice! — from an unknown invisible source, that a major solar event would strike and incapacitate the US in (I believe) early 2029.

While I can't possibly know for sure if that will happen (let alone prove the 'reality' of my experience!), it all felt extremely vivid, real and plausible to me. Moreover. it's 100% consistent with the level of increased solar activity Ben Davidson has been predicting for a while now. That's why I follow his updates daily.

I’ve been away, so apologies for this late note on an important point Bill made: my analysis shows danger in 2029 as well. This is derived from a lot of info as I do a lot of math modeling and follow a number of folks over the years (I tend to data dredge this site and many others thus my Avatar name).

A few other points:

-I do follow Ben’s analysis almost every day. And I do contribute to his newsletter/magazine so I do think he has valuable information.

- I have first person confirmation of Contrails (yes, I’ve seem them being formed with my own eyes…wife seen it as well.)

- I do NOT believe a major pole shift is survivable. There is evidence the Earth was repopulated after earlier shifts. The one coming up with be a major one. So, prepping for one may be a waste of time, best prepare for a Carrington Event type of flare that wipes out the electric grid. I do not think the pole shift will happen in 2029…I think it will be the “grid killing” Carrington flare.

- I do think Observors Ranch (OR) is a money maker for a hidden project. OR is a PR project. (About 60% convinced of this)

- watch Ben’s long form videos…he likes wearing wife-beaters…btw, I wear them as well when I’m in the gym.

Finally, thanks for all the feedback back on this topic. Very, very helpful.

[onawah]

My comment was not meant as an attack on Delight, but her posts are often mystifying to me, even though I used to think of myself as a New Ager, and am familiar with the language.
I do understand the power of positive thinking and I have had spiritual experiences myself, so I am neither a cynic nor an athiest, but at some point New Age thinking can just become denial , such as when it is used to deny obvious scientific facts.
My question to Delight was not couched in terms of disdain, as far as I am aware, but was simply an inquiry, as I don't quite get her POV.
I became more of a realist as my dreams of a wonderful New Age being ushered in miraculously within my lifetime dwindled the more I did more actual research, instead of just looking at what I wanted to believe.
One thing that has awakened me is my own growing sensitivity to the toxic frequencies that the new technology is flooding the planet with, which seems to me to be the harbinger of even more manmade destruction in the making.

The more I research, the more it has become obvious to me that the 12,000 year solar cycle which Davidson and more and more credible scientists are warning us about (even the MSM is beginning to warn us about it now, though in a very limited, obfuscating way)...is what is actually occurring in the here and now.
...With the failure of the electric grid possibly coming long before the denoument, the micronova, the latter of which looks to be coming within the next 2 decades at latest.

Delight's posts in what appears to be rebuttal to that POV seem to be in complete denial of the evidence about the solar cycle, and her language is so much like what staunch New Agers use to paint a rosy picture of what the future holds, but which seldom really deals with the facts, that I wondered why anyone with that POV would even want to acknowledge that there are threads on Avalon about such things as pole reversals, Carrington Events, etc., not to mention deadly vaccines, chemtrails, GMOs, WW3, etc. etc.
But those are becoming more and more obvious, as the depopulation agenda unfolds.

I don't think her rebuttals are convincing to anyone who has actually looked into the solar cycle data sufficiently to have a valid opinion, and I've wondered if perhaps she is really just trying to convince herself.
Or perhaps it's just that she is saying it doesn't matter somehow if you just switch your POV, or that you will just ascend to an alternate reality if you so choose.
It's really not very clear and appears all the more so when it's posted on a thread that is largely based on scientific data, and her posts on this subject appear to be more or less off topic to me, designed to distract from the topic at hand.

So much of the discussions on the forum now are about the things that the puppet masters (whoever or whatever they may be) are undeniably doing to depopulate the planet in whatever ways they can, so that a natural, partial extinction event is in some ways the least of our concerns.
The overtaking of what seem to be human beings by what seem to be Archons (I am referring to soul possession), who seem to want nothing more than to destroy the planet and humanity both, is actually what I find more concerning.
I've come to see the solar cycles for Earth as Nature's cyclical solution to the messes that have regularly been made of the planet, and a restart coming that will enable the planet to heal and humanity to reconnect with Nature again.
Though it will be a long and painful process (which is part of the lesson--3D life isn't easy in this Age).

I agree with Davidson's frequent assurance that he sincerely hopes he is wrong, and I believe him; I think he is sincerely on the side of humanity, and of living in harmony with God and Nature.
(He doesn't suffer fools gladly, but I think he is anxious about how much time is left to accomplish what he has set out to do.
Even just surviving the failure of the electric grid will take a lot on the part of his community, and there is no knowing when that might take place.

I don't see signs that humanity is rising to the occasion in time to undo or stop all the damage that has and is being done.
There doesn't appear to be enough united and determined purpose in humanity as a whole, at the rate it is being sickened and destroyed, to disarm the puppet masters.

As for what path each individual will take, that is up to where each person is in their individual evolution, but as for 3D Earth, it's clear to me that there won't be many people incarnating here before long, or for some time to come.
However, I don't see that as a cynical, gloomy doomsday scenario, I see it realistically as a natural cosmic progression and actually a step up on the cycle of Ages, as we begin to move out of the Kali Yuga and gradually upward into an Age of more Light.
(Though that progress is slow, in God's eye, it's just a blink.)

In summary, Earth is a living being too, and Gaia deserves better treatment than she is receiving now.
Humans are her children and will have to learn more respect if this planet is going to remain one on which humanity can live and prosper.
It seems clear that humanity as a whole has not evolved enough yet to fend off the attacks of ill-intentioned beings who hate humanity and would prefer to see the race wiped out.
There is still a long way to go before humanity as a whole ascends, though perhaps in some distant future, something like that will be possible.
There are some highly evolved beings on the planet who may be ascending to a higher plane now and are doing what they can to mitigate the damage done, which is evidence that things can change for the better.
But the clock is ticking, and many are beginning to realize that something is coming soon that not only scientists, but also prophets and visionaries have been warning us about for a long time, and is finally at hand.
I think for many, it's better to face the facts and prepare psychologically, spiritually and physically as much as possible.
Wearing rosy colored glasses might help make that temporarily more bearable, but it cannot change it.

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Posted by onawah (here)

It would be difficult to find any threads on the forum these days that aren't part of what you seem to be unwilling to admit to your reality, Delight.
It makes me wonder why you haven't abandoned Avalon for some much more New Agey venue.

As an observer, I viewed your comment to Delight about abandoning Avalon for a "more New Agey venue" as an attack. You pointedly aimed your apparent disdain for what you classify as new age in the direction of Delight, implying she might want to go elsewhere for refusing to arrange her life around doom scenarios.

I've been here for many years, not that it matters, but have substantially limited my visits in the last few years as I feel the forum has devolved over time. Whether it's because the world has changed, or the mindset of active members has changed, I don't know. What used to be a continual plethora of new ideas, and in-depth discussion on a vast array of topics has dried up. Heh, maybe it's because I've seen it all now, or at least seen enough to not to be interested anymore. My point is that just because I don't choose to wallow in gloom, doesn't mean I should leave Avalon.

While I don't think my thoughts, or even collective thoughts can change calamitous outcomes, I do tend to try to stay in observer mode and not settle on anything as a belief. I find that the lack of emotional attachment to events makes it difficult to connect with people, but at the same time, my life seems very even keeled.

I've watched Ben for many years. His material has merit and the cyclical destruction he preaches is a likely outcome. Does this mean I wish to defend him to the extent of putting others down, or even dwell on it in any way? Whether I put four more cans of tuna in my stockpile for the pole shift, or get hit by a bus on the street tomorrow, my physical existence will come to an end at some point.

It doesn't matter.

I'm not attacking you Onawah, as I appreciate your views on many topics. I simply wanted to point out that your comment, whether intentioned as an attack or not, seemed to be one.

update: I should add that my intention is not to supply those who are "wallowing in gloom" with yet more muddy material, but to help clarify the information that is the basis of Davidson's work, as it can easily get misinterpreted or misrepresented.
One of my motivations for posting on Avalon is to be in service to others, to help more people (largely non-members--I'd rather not preach to the choir anymore than necessary) to become aware of what important information that the MSM is not only not supplying, but is distracting from deliberately or obfuscating.
As the earth changes progress and as survival becomes more difficult to achieve, more and more people are going to be questioning the "official" narratives.
So credible scientific data is going to be more and more necessary for those who want to survive or at least avoid suffering anymore than they have to.
For those individuals, it really does matter, particularly the young and those with children.
Recording such vital "wake up call" information on Avalon that is generally hidden is one of the original intended purposes of the forum, and continues to be so, as far as I am aware.
So I don't really feel that I need to apologize for providing precisely that kind of information here, for those who are ready to hear it.
For those who aren't ready, there are still threads on Avalon that are not dealing with such heavy issues.

[onawah]

I had never heard the term "wife beater" shirt until recently. (I think it was used at one point to insinuate that Ben Davidson is a wife beater, which I took exception to.
But I looked the term up, and for others who are not familiar with it, it doesn't mean that wife-beaters wear a particular kind of shirt advertising their violent behavior.
There is an explanation of how the term came about here:
https://www.dictionary.com/e/take-of...ater-put-tank/

Observer Ranch is meant to be a center for educating, networking and gathering together people who are interested in preparing for both the failure of the electric grid and the micronova, and for forming Prepper communities.
A separate site in the same region is where Davidson's own Prepper community is located.
Both have probably been the object of Ben's fundraising efforts.
He is open about the existence of both, though he and no doubt the other members prefer to keep information about the Prepper community as private as possible for obvious reasons, that being that when conditions overall become dire, remaining inconspicuous will be essential for surviving possible raids.
(Another good reason for initially having shelter far enough underground that it is not visible to intruders.)

[QUOTE=onawah;1672620]Electric grid failure

Posted by onawah (here)
I just recalled something important that Ben explained recently about a solar "killshot" big enough to take down the Earth's electric grid.
He corrected the assumption that such an event would only target the side of the planet facing the Sun when it occurred.
He said it would actually take down the grid planetwide because of the manner in which the energy encompasses the whole planet once it hits a certain layer of the planet's normal atmosphere (I use that term loosely), whereupon it would distribute itself evenly around the planet.
If it was sufficient to take the grid down on one side, it would have an equal effect on the other as well.
So if there was a failure of the electric grid in the US due to a solar event (which is what I was thinking would be a likely example of what Bill describes from his vision), it would be not a local, but a planetary disaster.

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
I’ve been away, so apologies for this late note on an important point Bill made: my analysis shows danger in 2029 as well. This is derived from a lot of info as I do a lot of math modeling and follow a number of folks over the years (I tend to data dredge this site and many others thus my Avatar name).
A few other points:
-I do follow Ben’s analysis almost every day. And I do contribute to his newsletter/magazine so I do think he has valuable information.
- I have first person confirmation of Contrails (yes, I’ve seem them being formed with my own eyes…wife seen it as well.)
- I do NOT believe a major pole shift is survivable. There is evidence the Earth was repopulated after earlier shifts. The one coming up with be a major one. So, prepping for one may be a waste of time, best prepare for a Carrington Event type of flare that wipes out the electric grid. I do not think the pole shift will happen in 2029…I think it will be the “grid killing” Carrington flare.
- I do think Observors Ranch (OR) is a money maker for a hidden project. OR is a PR project. (About 60% convinced of this)
- watch Ben’s long form videos…he likes wearing wife-beaters…btw, I wear them as well when I’m in the gym.
Finally, thanks for all the feedback back on this topic. Very, very helpful.

[onawah]

I agree that the it's the failure of the electric grid that needs to be the focus at this point.
More about the Carrington Event of 1859 following, which was traumatic enough even at that time, when there was no electric grid.
Today such a solar flare would result in utter chaos and in the predicted cycle of recurrence, is already overdue.
In any case, it seems very unlikely there is time or inclination on the part of the puppet masters to prevent the damage it would cause, rather, they seem hellbent on eliminating as much of the population as they can by various manmade means.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kgV1rwMY4yg

You may be right in that the coming solar cycle may not be survivable, though I think the planet could be repopulated, once conditions are safe, by ET races.
...Which seems to have happened before, though I doubt that it would be a case of going back to stage one again.
In any case, I don't think that would be the right fit for the stage the planet is in, in its own current evolutionary cycle.
Rather, that ETs might bring enough supplies and tools for survival to support them in relative comfort while reconstruction began.
But I think Preppers should not be discouraged from doing their best to survive it all.
If they do prevail, all the better and a big high score for the tenacity of the human race (those who are still actually human and have not succumbed to Archontic influence).

Posted by Dumpster Diver (here)
I do NOT believe a major pole shift is survivable. There is evidence the Earth was repopulated after earlier shifts. The one coming up with be a major one. So, prepping for one may be a waste of time, best prepare for a Carrington Event type of flare that wipes out the electric grid. I do not think the pole shift will happen in 2029…I think it will be the “grid killing” Carrington flare.

[Arcturian108]

Ben Davidson definitely has a corner on the doomsday market. I bet he will have a fist-fight with anyone trying to move into his space.

[onawah]

I doubt that many Preppers have the stomach for coming up against the MSM and the other forces who are behind the puppet masters.
Ben has determination and fortitude, and may yet succeed in his goals if he can keep his ego in check, and can get the kind of support such a venture needs.
Which is pretty much the challenge for any who put themselves into the role of a leader pitted against the System, which no doubt has become as poisonous as it has ever been though its tactics now are probably a lot sneakier than they ever were in the distant past.

Doomsday market? I would call the doomsday market:
the self-replicating nanobots and gene altering chemicals in so-called "vaccines" as well as in food, air, water and other pharmaceuticals;
toxic frequencies, AI and mind control that are becoming ubiquitous in the dumbing down technology in general, particulary in cell phone tech;
chemtrails that have been dumping innumerable toxins on everything ongoing for years now;
many other toxins (including plastics) inserted directly into food, water and pharmaceuticals and making everyone toxic;
poisonous pesticides sprayed directly onto crops and other growing things, and drifting everywhere;
contaminated oceans and waterways;
The list goes on and on...

I imagine Davidson and his community are probably very grateful to find allies in their quest to survive all that, and he has said repeatedly that his Prepper community is open to new members.
The responses to his online presentations on his own sites and on other sites where he has joined the discussion and been interviewed have been favorable, and the comments in the chats on those sites are largely very supportive.

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Ben Davidson definitely has a corner on the doomsday market. I bet he will have a fist-fight with anyone trying to move into his space.

Anybody else?

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D5Df191WJ3o

[Jaak]

Posted by onawah (here)
I imagine Davidson and his community are probably very grateful to find allies in their quest to survive all that, and he has said repeatedly that his Prepper community is open to new members.

Can you join his prepper community for free or only if you pay him ? Is he seeking new members or customers ?
I think one has to be rather rich to stay in his observer ranch for long periods of time because it aint cheap.
He likes to refer his viewers as his students . Is it same in his community where he is the all knowing leader and rest are his flock/cattle ?
That gives a cult vibe where you are not allowed to disagree with your cult leader ..
Maybe if he was more humble and positive but that giant ego of his makes me want to stay far away from him .
I do agree with Ben more than i disagree and been watching his videos for years .
Just watched his latest video , 1/3 of it is advertisement to buy his swag ...