The UK Swamp: Order of Precedence & Who is the Boss?

[Brigantia]

Posted by shaberon (here)
It was, I believe, King Edward who delivered the whole kingdom of England into the possession of the Pope in the 1300s.

Just curious - which one? There were three kings called Edward in the 1300s. Possibly Edward III, he was so indebted to Italian bankers - even defaulted and brought down one Florentine banking house as a result - that it may have been some sort of deal with the Italians in relation to that.

[Hermoor]

Posted by Le Chat (here)

Posted by Hermoor (here)
One thing is certain. The pope didn't give QE2 a regular handshake.

It looked like a regular handshake to me. Am I missing something?

I'm glad you didn't ask how we get three different colours of neatly striped toothpaste out of a tube. I'm out of my depth with questions like that.

Certain secret societies don't do regular handshakes. They do "grips" instead. It's part of their secret (esoteric) language and culture.

Maybe have a go with "Queen Elizabeth handshakes" in the images section of your search engine. You'll see her engaging in regular handshakes and plenty of grips too. Typically whoever is gripping her hand will be pressing their thumb between the gap of her middle and third knuckles. Some of the images are funny for me because the person gripping her hand has fluffed their lines somewhat with a slightly wayward thumb placement.

Here's the former monarch exchanging grips with Martin McGuinness. If we think we know what "The Troubles" were all about, then many of us (including myself) need to think again.



If you're interested in more of their culture and belief system, then reading the likes of Albert Pike, Albert Mackey and W. L. Wilmhurst will be helpful to your research. L. Fouquet isn't so well known, but he packs the kind of punch I'll never forget.

In the public (exoteric) domain the most powerful secret society member on the planet is likely Prince Edward, the Duke Of Kent? In the esoteric domain I've no idea who the main man really is.



Prince Edward is currently about 41st in line to the British throne. He is a first cousin of both the former monarch and her consort. Incest. A game for all the family.

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British kings and queens were small potatoes to Julius Caesar. He saw them as military speedbumps or opportunities. He broke them or made them to suit his own agenda. The Brits Caesar feared most were the druids. They were the most esoterically gifted people of ancient Britain.

The most esoterically gifted of all druids studied in the ancient mystery schools of Egypt and elsewhere. They were the keepers of the ancient knowledge of Britain, the wisest of all Brits. A large part of a senior druid's job was keeping the knowledge required to survive a devastating cataclysm and rebuild a civilised society from the rubble. Similarly Caesar feared them and killed a lot of them because they were effectively the leaders of the underground resistance and good at it.

Druidic symbolism fascinates me.



Freemasons love their black and white squares. Druids are rather fond of their black and white triangles. This is not a coincidence. Also in there are the zodiac wheel; the T and O map of the ancient world; a tau cross (consider the Egyptian Bennu bird, the ankh, the tree of life and the phoenix too); masculine fire; a trilithon; gold symbolising the sun; a secret grip; shepherds' crooks; oak leaves; acorns (aka the pineal gland) and more.

There's more to the zodiac wheel than first meets the eye. And the rest. The night sky was an aide memoire for the druids' secret knowledge. They modelled their knowledge on the observations, allegories and anthropomorphism of heavenly bodies. That way they didn't leave any notebooks or hard drives lying around for enemies and the profane to stumble across.

The ancient mystery schools are still very much alive and kicking today, as are many other secret societies.

Secret societies run the world. The most secret society of them all is atop the human part of Earth's totem pole.

[shaberon]

Posted by Brigantia (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)
It was, I believe, King Edward who delivered the whole kingdom of England into the possession of the Pope in the 1300s.

Just curious - which one? There were three kings called Edward in the 1300s. Possibly Edward III, he was so indebted to Italian bankers - even defaulted and brought down one Florentine banking house as a result - that it may have been some sort of deal with the Italians in relation to that.

I did not remember it correctly. This is the
question:

In 1213, King John surrendered England to the papacy making it a Papal fief where the Pope would be paid annual tribute. However King Edward I did not act as a vassal to the Pope because he got into conflict with Pope Boniface VIII when he taxed the clergy and defied the Pope’s orders to end the war in Scotland.

Did England formally stop being a Papal fief by that time?

Not quite. In brief, the answer is:


In 1365 parliament debated the latest papal request and concluded that John’s original surrender of the realm had been invalid since it had lacked the assent of the bishops. This marked the formal end to English recognition of the pope’s sovereignty.

The papacy, on the other hand,

has never formally resigned its claim to tribute, census or overlordship.


In the link are more details about how "Catholic" England or her kings were, prior to the "surrender". A huge chunk of that would be:

Since Anglo-Saxon times, a levy known as Peter’s Pence had been paid by England to Rome, described as ‘census’ and implying subjection to the papacy, albeit collected from the English church rather than from the king.

This ‘census’ was still being paid as late as 1534, on the very eve of Henry VIII’s final breach with Rome.

No, the English aren't exactly taking orders from the Pope like the Jesuit General, although it was, in fact, at least temporarily "owned", for whatever that may amount to. In this case, the Catholics would be more in the right to take a Zionistic approach, i. e., this "belonged to our ancestors", and, *you* have attempted to simply break the treaty. Most principles of honesty would say you can't "un-transfer" ownership by changing your mind. In this sense, the occupant of the Throne of England has what would legally be called "constructive possession", or, maybe in a coarser sense, "squatters' rights". The other way out is to defeat the Pope and force a surrender.

The Pope is a vampire, waiting for these secular governments to fall, and, of course, come in as the solution.

[Hermoor]

^ Thank you for your post Shaberon. You have a potent intellect. Reading your posts often fills gaps in my own knowledge which help me further understand the bigger picture.

Here follows some more on the druids and the theme of ancient mystery schools and secret societies. The druids would appear to be a lesser and more fringe component of the establishment swamp of today. I'll proceed to demonstrate why they are still an esoteric force, the nature of which may surprise some people.

The shepherd's crook in druidic symbolism means they were the religious and spiritual leaders of their era. Controlling the human flock was their boots on the ground daily work. In private they worshipped the most powerful gods, goddesses and spiritual beliefs known to them. That spiritual system was strictly off limits to the general public, they were taught a much watered down version of it.

Wherever we see members of the "Christian" church in today's order of precedence it's fair to say the druids filled similar positions in ancient Britain. Royal courts were often dangerous places. They were full of power mad royals and nobles and power mad courtiers on the political gravy train. Most druids preferred to keep as much distance as possible between themselves and the belly of that beast. One of the main reasons for this was druids were telepathic. As such they were a prize catch for any monarch and a prime target for plotters seeking to cheat or even overthrow the monarch. In plain speak a gifted druid was the best early warning security system money could buy. Emotions and intents can not be hidden from telepaths.

If a druid worked directly for a monarch, then they were effectively emprisoned in a golden cage. As well as threats from lesser courtiers, druids of the court were often the first victims of paranoid monarchs going off the rails.

This documentary about the Irish druid Ben McBrady was a BBC production, so considerable discernment must be taken with it. However there's plenty of truth in the mix too.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FIrYD7djFH8

Here's Winston Churchill in the company of druids and freemasons.



This is the former UK monarch at a druid ceremony and dressed in druidic garb.



When a person is familiar with the grading rituals of ancient mystery schools and secret societies they are introduced to life changing experiences and knowledge. The effects of such rituals are mind blowing. The opening of the pineal gland and access to the spiritual realm sometimes feature in these gradings. The initiate effectively learns that humans and the Cosmos run on a certain type of software and the secret hacks in this sytem are paradigm shifts of enlightenment.

This book is as good as any for getting one's initial bearings with grading rituals. All ancient mystery schools and secrect societies run on similar templates. The initiates are just learning slightly different recipes that all come out of the same cooking pot.



Here's the most recent sign of the importance of the druids to the UK swamp. Druidic symbolism is all over the coronation invitation from the current UK monarch and his second wife.





Talking of the current UK monarch. We all remember his decades long close friendship with currently the worst known paedophile in UK history. It's in the public domain that Jimmy Savile was buried in a coffin pointing in a certain direction and inclined at a certain angle. Amongst other things this means 100% that Savile was an initiate of the greater mysteries. He was likely an advanced master or grand master of something I'm very happy to know little about.

[shaberon]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
^ Thank you for your post Shaberon. You have a potent intellect. Reading your posts often fills gaps in my own knowledge which help me further understand the bigger picture.

Here follows some more on the druids and the theme of ancient mystery schools and secret societies. The druids would appear to be a lesser and more fringe component of the establishment swamp of today. I'll proceed to demonstrate why they are still an esoteric force, the nature of which may surprise some people.

Let's notice the 150-years-later English "change of mind" about their Papal fealty and compare it to the experience of Scotland, who had surrendered and pledged to England:

John's father, Henry II, had forced William the Lion to swear fealty to him at the Treaty of Falaise in 1174. This had been rescinded by Richard I in exchange for financial compensation in 1189, but the relationship remained uneasy. John began his reign by reasserting his sovereignty over the disputed northern counties.

Richard drew up a new charter on 5 December 1189, known as the Quitclaim of Canterbury, that nullified the Treaty of Falaise in its entirety. This new written agreement restored Scottish sovereignty, reverting to the previously vague and ill-defined personal traditions of fealty and homage between Scottish and English kings, rather than the direct subjugation that Henry demanded.

So, I am responding from a Scottish view that goes back to this. And yes, it was based around Kilwinning Abbey:







In terms of "druids", here's the thing. All of the current ones are basically offshoots of the Golden Dawn. With this, I have nothing to do. We are talking about an order that was basically exterminated, re-processed through the hands of those people.

In any society, what we might call a "priest" is an office that has to do with education, rites of passage, well-being, and social and personal issues generally. I would say there is a need for that. Without guidance, without a basic set of standards for civilization, human beings readily revert to a vicious condition. So we need a high quality person, someone who displays wisdom earned from difficult experience, to take care of this, they have to be competent.

Druids were culled for "state" reasons, that is, yes, of course they were in a position to leverage rebellion against the Roman Empire. This tactic is nothing new; potential rebels have usually been crushed by anyone able to do so. However, it is very different from a "Crusade", which is to attack someone for the sake of belief. That is not what happened here; the druidical knowledge was highly regarded. But it came from a twenty-year apprenticeship, not a Golden Dawn theory.

It's not quite the same as a "wicca" or "wise", natural empath or perhaps psychic person.

The nearest surviving cousins of the Druids would be the Bards. Using a "symbolic" language leading to playwrights. That is how we can tell that Chaucer is warning England about the "internationalist" Venetian Web. Dante repeats this from Italy. No names are used. But you can actually trace not just the intra-British quandry of uniting its kingdom, but also this foreign plebiscite which is even older than the union. Trying to do what? Rival the Pope, mostly.

[Hermoor]

The oldest freemason lodge in Scotland is in Kilwinning. It is called the Mother Lodge Of Scotland and dates back to around 1140 and the construction of Kilwinning Abbey.

Freemasons are fond of using red and blue colours in particular. Blue is symbolic of the Scottish Rite and red is the colour of the (English) York Rite.

Some years ago now I watched a BBC history documentary on the knights templar presented by Tony "Baldrick" Robinson. He stated that the knights templar died out after their Grand Master Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake in 1314. This is why we have to be discerning with the Baldrick Broadcasting Corporation. Balders was speaking with a most forked tongue. A relative of mine is quite a senior mason and also a knight templar. The knights templar can also be joined from the senior ranks of the York Rite. They Live, Mr. Robinson and he damn well knows it too.

Just before and after 1314 the surviving knights templar in France fled the country. Many of them re-established themselves and their order in Scotland. Their ships carried them to Mull on the west coast of Scotland.

The Isle of Mull is a special place for freemasons and knights templar. When they visit there it's something of a pilgrimage for them. Another regional place of note is Mull of Kintyre. 'Kin' means 'family of' and 'tyre' means Tyre. Tyre was the most important port of the hugely influential Phoenicians. They were a Semitic people and Tyre is in modern day Lebanon.

The Phoenician empire peaked around 900 BC. It was based around far-ranging maritime commerce. The Phoenicians were the top merchants, boat builders, mariners and navigators of their era. The British empire was established in a similar enough fashion.

An obvious historical trend is forming here, especially when we consider the Roman empire and the subsequent merchants of Venice. Dominant commercial and naval maritime fleets. Empire building. Vast amounts of money. The global banking system. The City of London (and elsewhere).

The templar knights were heavily involved in banking. Muscling in on that racket with too many muscles was likely a big reason for de Molay being burned at the stake.

The history books are riddled with propaganda; lies; mistakes; bias; censorship; outright omissions and so on. Their writings tend to shift with the agendas of the dominant ruling classes over the shifting sands of time.

All of our books from our holy books down to our school books come to us via the big club. One of the toughest lessons I ever learned from books was from a history book on the Jacobite rebellion published in the 1780s or 1790s. It was very different to what I had been taught in school and quite an eye opener.

[Tintin]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
The oldest freemason lodge in Scotland is in Kilwinning. It is called the Mother Lodge Of Scotland and dates back to around 1140 and the construction of Kilwinning Abbey.

Freemasons are fond of using red and blue colours in particular. Blue is symbolic of the Scottish Rite and red is the colour of the (English) York Rite.

Some years ago now I watched a BBC history documentary on the knights templar presented by Tony "Baldrick" Robinson. He stated that the knights templar died out after their Grand Master Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake in 1314. This is why we have to be discerning with the Baldrick Broadcasting Corporation. Balders was speaking with a most forked tongue. A relative of mine is quite a senior mason and also a knight templar. The knights templar can also be joined from the senior ranks of the York Rite. They Live, Mr. Robinson and he damn well knows it too.

Just before and after 1314 the surviving knights templar in France fled the country. Many of them re-established themselves and their order in Scotland. Their ships carried them to Mull on the west coast of Scotland.

The Isle of Mull (Mull of Kintyre) is a special place for freemasons and knights templar. When they visit there it's something of a pilgrimage for them. The highlight is really on the 'tyre' part of the island's name. 'Kin' means 'family of' and 'tyre' means Tyre. Tyre was the most important port of the hugely influential Phoenicians. They were a Semitic people and Tyre is in modern day Lebanon.

The Phoenician empire peaked around 900 BC. It was based around far-ranging maritime commerce. The Phoenicians were the top merchants, boat builders, mariners and navigators of their era. The British empire was established in a similar enough fashion.

An obvious historical trend is forming here, especially when we consider the Roman empire and the subsequent merchants of Venice. Dominant commercial and naval maritime fleets. Empire building. Vast amounts of money. The global banking system. The City of London (and elsewhere).

The templar knights were heavily involved in banking. Muscling in on that racket with too many muscles was likely a big reason for de Molay being burned at the stake.

The history books are riddled with propaganda; lies; mistakes; bias; censorship; outright omissions and so on. Their writings tend to shift with the agendas of the dominant ruling classes over the shifting sands of time.

All of our books from our holy books down to our school books come to us via the big club. One of the toughest lessons I ever learned from books was from a history book on the Jacobite rebellion published in the 1780s or 1790s. It was very different to what I had been taught in school and quite an eye opener.

Ah, this is a perfectly timed post: just yesterday I watched Bloodline, a documentary directed by Bruce Burgess, and based on the Prieure de Sion (Priory of Sion) well known to us on the forum of course from Baigent, Lincoln, and Leigh's "Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" worldwide bestseller from the early 1980s.

It contains fascinating interviews with Gino Sandri, and Nic Haywood, both representing the Priory in modern times, one a General Secretary, the other a spokesman.

Amongst other fascinating 'revelations' are filmed escapdes of a chap calling himself Ben Hattom (an anagram of 'The Tombman'), who following some of the clues from Berenger Sauniere claims to have discovered the tomb of Mary Magdalene. I have my own doubts about that being the actual tomb, or resting place, but, it just may be.

Featured as well is a short segment referencing Kilmore Parish Church, Isle of Mull, which depicts the following:

Margaret Starbird the authoress of "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar" commented on this in this film, saying, that the joining of the right hands here denoted a marriage litany (spousal union), and that the image in the stained glass appears to depict a pregnant "Magdalene".

This was put together in 2008, and I can highly recommend it as compelling viewing. It's right up there with "Dark Clouds over Elberton" in its presentation of a detective story

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In our library, here: https://avalonlibrary.net/Bloodline_%282008%29.mp4

Bloodline (2008)



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Comment on druidry and Templar Knights:

I too have a very good friend who is an active Templar Knight, and another who is a practising Druid. Well and truly active, despite protestations to the contrary. More than that, one cannot say, at least as far as the 'Temple' goes, for obvious reasons.

[Hermoor]

It's fascinating how the diverse rhythmic patterns of our very ancient world history appear to be connected to undeniably similar sources, or even possibly the same big source.

Ben McBrady talks of how his druidic order was formed after a devastating planetary catastrophe. Great electrical storms and meteor showers all but wiped out the civilisations of the world. Before this catastrophe all humans were telepathic. The turmoil and chaos left few survivors and only a few of them retained their telepathic abilities. Most of the survivors could only communicate again through the vocalisation of sounds and the evolution of spoken language. McBrady said since the onset of significant electrosmog in the 1930s and 1940s telepaths have all but lost their telepathic abilities.

Dr. Lee Brown of the Cherokee nation gave a remarkable presentation in the 1980s. It mostly concerns the prophecies and teachings of the Hopi Indians. It ties in with what McBrady said and even brings us right up to the very uncertain times we find ourselves in now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lr_oLVMReHw

Brown said long ago the Great Spirit came down and gathered the people of Earth on an island. The Great Spirit sent the people in four directions and told them over time they would be changed to four colours. Each of the four races were also given two stone tablets each upon which were the original teachings. Their destiny was to reunite the four races as one great, peaceful and wise civilisation. After time the island sank beneath the waves in a terrible catastrophe.

The red people went east as guardians of the earth. Their responsibility was to learn about the food, plants and healing herbs of the earth.

The black people went west as guardians of the water. Water is the principal of the four elements. It is the most humble and also the most powerful.

The yellow people went south as guardians of the wind. Their responsibility was to learn about the sky and how breathing can be used for spiritual advancement.

The problem seems to be with the naughty white people. They were sent north to the lands of snow as guardians of the fire.

The problem with fire is being irresponsible with it. The nature of fire is that it moves and consumes. It's obvious the white race lost the plot with consumerism. Who was the boss of that agenda?

Ultimately it is the responsibility of the white race to reunite the four peoples so they may become one again and enter a golden age of humanity. Through the element of fire comes technology. Fire is found in the hearts of steam trains and ships. It is also found in spark plugs and internal combustion engines. So the white race started to move around the Earth to fulfil their responsibility to the Great Spirit.

Unfortunately they seem to have gone way off script before they barely even began. Everywhere they moved across the Earth they brought colonialism and the genocide of the other three races with them. Who was the boss of that agenda?

Similar to the druids, the four guardians of the stone tablets all settled in very mountainous regions. The reasons are threefold and obvious. Mountainous lands are the easiest to defend and the most difficult to attack. They also offer the best protection from biblical floods and catastrophic tsunamis.

The Hopi are the keepers of the stone tablets of the red people. The yellow people settled in Tibet with their tablets. The Hopi word for 'sun' is the same as the Tibetan word for 'moon'. The Tibetan word for 'sun' is the same as the Hopi word for 'moon'. What are the chances of that being completely random?

The Kikuyu tribe of Kenya keep the black people's tablets in the foothills of Mount Kenya. The black, red, yellow and white beading patterns of Kikuyu ceremonial objects are identical to those of the Hopi. Wow.

The Swiss are the keepers of the tablets of the white people. The colours white and red are on their national flag. The red is symbolic of the element of fire. Further interpretation of the white symbol on their flag could be very inspirational or disturbing. Take your pick. The masks in the annual Carnival of Basel (Basler Fasnacht) are actually symbolic of them being the keepers of the tablets of the white people. Where is the centre of world banking located? Who guards the Pope? Now the ancient breadcrumbs are really getting us somewhere.

It's mind blowing how many of the ancient Hopi teachings and prophecies have come true. Following Hiroshima and Nagasaki Hopi elders felt forced to break with tradition and rules and share some of their esoteric secrets with the world. They were trying to save all of us from global destruction then and still are now, bless them.

To reinforce how pertinent and widespread the teachings of the Great Spirit are, here are the ancient colours and some of the symbols and teachings from the South American continent.

[shaberon]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Ah, this is a perfectly timed post: just yesterday I watched Bloodline, a documentary directed by Bruce Burgess, and based on the Prieure de Sion (Priory of Sion) well known to us on the forum of course from Baigent, Lincoln, and Leigh's "Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" worldwide bestseller from the early 1980s.

Is this understood as a hoax?

I too have a very good friend who is an active Templar Knight, and another who is a practising Druid. Well and truly active, despite protestations to the contrary. More than that, one cannot say, at least as far as the 'Temple' goes, for obvious reasons.

I bet they are.

Where did they get it from?

Let me try to adjust what is erupting here.

What we call the Mother Lodge or MK0 is honorary, the number, zero, being used because it pre-dates the written records of Lodge 1.

What "lodge" means is, at a certain point, "meetings" became open to persons other than in the masonic guild. If you were English, you weren't there, and if you were Scottish but Glencairn and others of that ilk, you definitely weren't there.

Skip a few generations.

In the 1700s, a guy who would eventually be called Chevalier Ramsay grew up around Rosslyn. From viewing Rosslyn Chapel, he decided that masons and Knights Templars were one unit. He went down to London in 1736, and publicly announced this. They swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

The idea spread.

What seems to be overlooked is that, at the time of the Bavarian Illuminati, Europe held continent-wide "Masonic Congresses", with, one of the main questions being, who are we? Do we descend from the Templars?

The answer is no.

In fact, they couldn't figure out any kind of heritage at all. Asking for something that isn't there.


The remnants of the Knights Templar became the Knights of Christ in Portugal. The last "leader" was King John VI. We said the Jesuits assassinated him. No one listened. Around 2012, the Chinese exhumed the body for autopsy and found enough arsenic in the heart to kill two people. End of the line.

That does not prevent the English (and others) from re-enacting Templar degrees if that is what they choose to do.

Now, in England, if you wanted to speak your mind publicly, you had to be a Bard or a playwright and use symbol and allegory. If you wanted to speak it privately, you could go somewhere like a masonic lodge, or a coffee house. That is why coffee was called "the devil's drink" and there was a motion to ban it. Nevertheless, even if the Masonic Congress says "there's no such thing", some people are never satisfied, and something about the Templars is taken seriously.

The best way I can explain it, is, that in opposition to the English system, were the people who developed Egyptian Masonry. This is exemplified by Marquis de LaFayette, Thomas Paine, and the Americans. Through time it drifted into the Italian and Greek Carbonari. Those were relatively "new" organizations which served little purpose other than recruitment, by way of shaping a contra-English mentality. In the long run, Greece permanently sacrificed Constantinople to Turkey, and was given a Bavarian government. That was a loss, obviously the English system "took" most of Europe.

In either case, a Masonic Rite is a doggerel, a concocted syllabus of its own design. A Lodge is a real building or institution, which may or may not offer any rites.

There is nothing "freemasonic" about Kilwinning Abbey whatsoever. The closest thing the masons are related to is the "avoirdupois" system of weight and related matters.

In actuality, if I were to dread a crusading order of knighthood, it would be the Teutonics. They actually *do* resemble the character usually imparted to the Templars; but they were not suppressed and dissolved, and instead, remained intact around their home field and have descendants more recently known to us as Junkers.


With respect to the UK, the matter I would suggest taking into serious consideration appeared a few years ago in a blog in France.

The Ghost of Oliver Cromwell:

If Oliver Cromwell is the ghost of the Israel Lobby and the Neoconservative movement, not to mention the Bolsheviks, how do we séance him? I’ve got questions. And I know he’s dying to visit us. Cromwell is shrouded in so much mystery that what appears in British history is an apparition of pure gossip.

It's mediumishly-long and takes a few minutes to go through it. In terms of mentality, I would say yes, this is thoroughly pervasive.

It keeps seeming to me we are stuck on a hamster wheel of the 1600s.

It is only recently that the blob pushed by The Bank, failed, I think, in Ukraine.

If that effort represents some kind of genius-in-charge, I would say they have simply found a way to bury their head in cement. Not impressed. At this point, I would be curious to find *any* British enterprise that is blooming, whether that's because it knew Ukraine would lose, or, any reason. Maybe they have discovered a "new world". I'm not sure. Any sign of a pulse, that might indicate it was somehow relevant. Maybe even something that is of benefit at home where they live. Do they know where that is?

[Tintin]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Tintin (here)
Ah, this is a perfectly timed post: just yesterday I watched Bloodline, a documentary directed by Bruce Burgess, and based on the Prieure de Sion (Priory of Sion) well known to us on the forum of course from Baigent, Lincoln, and Leigh's "Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" worldwide bestseller from the early 1980s.

Is this understood as a hoax?

'Ben Hammott' later came out and admitted that the tomb, and artefacts were indeed fabrications, and planted, which is a real pity. Admittedly there was something a little 'off' about some of the production most notably with the 'Ben' character. It still made for fascinating viewing though, and is still well worth it. My sense is that at least one of the 'Priory' personnel were the real deal though but the entire production team were clearly had by 'Ben'. Here's his statement:

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"It has been a long time coming and something that is long overdue. And to tell the truth, for once, I am glad it has all finally come out and I thank Andrew for being the intermediary that facilitated this outcome. I have thought many times about coming clean and telling the truth, but lacked the guts to do so.

Everything I said I discovered is a hoax, planted by me and only me.

Sandy, Bill, Pat, Rene and Bruce, my brother, and everyone else were unwitting pawns in my game, for the lack of a better word. I have no idea why I did it, or carried on what was at first a stupid prank that escalated out of control. My intention was never to deceive, but then of course it was by doing what I did.

Perhaps I did it for the money, though very little was ever forthcoming and realised early on that it probably never would.

Did I do it for fame and attention? Perhaps. I did enjoy it at times but it wasn’t the driving force behind it.

Maybe I just carried on to see what I could get away with. I really don’t know.


I know saying sorry to the many friends and acquaintances I have made and deceived over the years, can in no way make up for what I have done. There is probably nothing I can say or do now to right the wrong. But I am very, very sorry and know that many of them I will lose, which apart from the deceit, is perhaps the worst thing about this sorry and despicable act of mine.


Have I made money from my exploits, yes, a bit through book sales, but nearly all the money I have made has paid for further research and my many trips to rlc to try and find something real that I still believe to be there, to in some way hope to make up for my past deeds. I do believe Saunière found a secret, something hidden in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Chateau, and there is something truly amazing to be found. It is something that I will continue looking for.


I have had nothing since bad luck since I become involved with the Rennes-le-Chateau affair, bad karma, almost certainly. Today I have no money, no family life, no home and now probably very few friends. It is perhaps a well disserved outcome.
I apologize to everyone who has supported me over the years, everyone who bought my book, but most of all I apologize to my friends and family for letting them down. I cannot say sorry enough to Sandy, Bill, Rene and many others for being my friends and supporting me all these years. I have lied to you and let you down in such a big way I cannot even hope for your forgiveness.

Anyone who would like to return my Lost Tomb of the Knights Templar book can contact me for a refund and when I have the money I will reimburse them.*

I wish I could explain why I started it or why I let things steadily spiral out of control. I am not even sure myself at this stage. The solving of the clues in Sauniere's church to find the cave where I staged the tomb, (See my Secrets of Rennes-le-Chateau books for varification) and some of the other locations, were all real, it was just someone had always been their before me, so I just used these locations to stage my hoaxes. I had been hoping I could find the real secret of Rennes-le-Chateau, whatever form that may take, in the belief that it would in some way make up for the hoax I had committed. But after many years had passed involving many trips to the area searching for this secret, I finally realised that perhaps I would never find it or if it was still there to be found, just like before perhaps someone had already beaten me to it.

My Lost Tomb of the Knights Templar book also contains a lot of original research that includes an in depth look at the brutal murder of the Abbe Gelis and lots more. All of my other Rennes-le-Chateau publications, except for my Discoveries album, are all based on fact and are not affected by my hoax.

*Refund only applies to books purchased before 2nd April 2012

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Of course not everything in the film is a hoax: in fairness, Bruce, the director, was a little skeptical in parts.

And we do at least get to view the area, and some of the sites, at least from behind a screen.

[Tintin]

Posted by shaberon (here)


With respect to the UK, the matter I would suggest taking into serious consideration appeared a few years ago in a blog in France.

The Ghost of Oliver Cromwell:

If Oliver Cromwell is the ghost of the Israel Lobby and the Neoconservative movement, not to mention the Bolsheviks, how do we séance him? I’ve got questions. And I know he’s dying to visit us. Cromwell is shrouded in so much mystery that what appears in British history is an apparition of pure gossip.

It's mediumishly-long and takes a few minutes to go through it. In terms of mentality, I would say yes, this is thoroughly pervasive.

Yes, that's a great blog: I visited it a year or so ago and printed out some of it.

Recommended

[Hermoor]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)


With respect to the UK, the matter I would suggest taking into serious consideration appeared a few years ago in a blog in France.

The Ghost of Oliver Cromwell:

Yes, that's a great blog: I visited it a year or so ago and printed out some of it.

Recommended

It was an excellent read, thanks Shaberon. It gave me a valuable perspective on a pivotal era of history that needs further investigation. Unless someone else wants to give it a go, I'll get there in a few centuries time (!) after the following.

To understand how the UK swamp really works it's just as necessary to look outside the UK as within it. It appears we haven't been in control of ourselves for a very long time indeed.

Arguably the most important document in Scottish history is the Declaration of Arbroath. It was dated the 6th of April 1320. It was sealed by and written for 41 Scottish nobles. The letter was addressed to pope John XXII. It was authorised by Robert the Bruce, king Robert I (1274-1329). Accompanying it were separate letters from the king and also the bishop of St. Andrews. Both of them are said to be lost.

The Declaration of Arbroath was written on sheep skin in the Latin language and is about 1000 words long. It was dated at the monastery of Arbroath. Bernard the abbot of Arbroath was king Robert's chancellor.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/...preads_WEB.pdf

There is a lot to unpack within the Declaration of Arbroath.

For starters it mentions that the kingdom of the Scots is ruled by nobles originating from Greater Scythia. Roughly speaking that's modern day Ukraine! They journeyed from there to the Tyrrhenian Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and Spain before continuing on and finally settling in Scotland.

They claim to have "dwelt for a long course of time in Spain". From this one might infer that they eventually got their arses handed to them on a plate and journeyed onwards to regroup and pick on less hostile natives elsewhere.

The translation linked to above is dated to 2005. I'm healthily sceptical of it and trying to find the oldest possible translation in the public domain. Essentially what the Scots are doing is giving their ancestral rap sheet to the pope so he can rummage around in the Vatican library's crime files and positively ID them.

The other historical dog in this fight is Scota, the daughter of the Egyptian pharaoh Akenkheres. Having been exiled from Egypt Scota lived in Spain for a time before settling in Ireland. Eventually ships were sailed, battles were fought and Scota's people began ruling parts of Scotland.

The Declaration of Arbroath states that the Scottish nobles arrived in Scotland 1200 years after the Israelis crossed the Red Sea. The problem with the translation is was this 1200 years after they left Spain or Greater Scythia?

St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland. Historians tend to agree that Andrew preached in Scythia after his time as a disciple with Jesus.

The crux of the matter here is that king Robert I and his court are sucking up to the pope big time and asking for his formal recognition and protection. The Declaration of Arbroath is declaring that the pope is the most powerful man on Earth, the boss of all human bosses and the king(maker) of all kings.

According to the Vatican the pope's official title is "father of kings, governor of the world and Vicar of Christ".

The big question is does the pope still rule the world today? If not, then who does? Did he ever?

Kings and queens wear crowns on their heads. The pope's crown is formally called a papal tiara. That's rather slippery of them. Things got slippier in 1963 when pope Paul VI was said to be the last pope to use the tiara.

There are different meanings and symbolism surrounding the tiara. It's best to cut to the chase.

This is the T and O map of the ancient world. Jerusalem is the centre and the T divides the world in to the three continents of Asia, Europe and Africa.



The papal tiara has three crowns because the pope rules all three continents, i.e. all of the 'known' ancient world.

Notice on the coat of arms of pope Francis, for example, there are five silver sections on the "papal tiara". They symbolise the five continents of the modern world, North America and South America have been added.



Returning to the Declaration of Arbroath. King Robert I's nobles effectively 'fess up to the colonialism and genocide of the native Britons and Picts. But it's okay because they are good Christian men. Where else have we heard that before?

They are crying to the pope to call off the English king Edward II lest he succeed in doing to them what they did to the Britons and Picts.

The sooner humanity is done with all these mad rockets, the better.

[shaberon]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
For starters it mentions that the kingdom of the Scots is ruled by nobles originating from Greater Scythia. Roughly speaking that's modern day Ukraine! They journeyed from there to the Tyrrhenian Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and Spain before continuing on and finally settling in Scotland.

They claim to have "dwelt for a long course of time in Spain". From this one might infer that they eventually got their arses handed to them on a plate and journeyed onwards to regroup and pick on less hostile natives elsewhere.

The translation linked to above is dated to 2005. I'm healthily sceptical of it and trying to find the oldest possible translation in the public domain. Essentially what the Scots are doing is giving their ancestral rap sheet to the pope so he can rummage around in the Vatican library's crime files and positively ID them.

I am not familiar with that Declaration, but it doesn't sound right.

"Scythia" is an indefinite term from a lot of writers, and just as likely refers to the Saka of Central Asia, if the real meaning were used.

Everyone in England is supposed to be still mad about William the Bastard. Remember that one? 1066. Up until around 1100, there were Norman-favoring kings of England, and, most of the fiefs were simply handed out. During that time, the area of focus was Wales, and, that never worked. After that era, we discarded English places like Liverpool, because most of Scotland was being handed out. This is a major graft. I suppose it amounts to a "foreign takeover", just like the Romans, Angles, and Saxons. If England wasn't French Norman, it would have been Norwegian. Most of the Normans are Danish. But the Scottish Lowlands are Normanized in the same way.

The real situation was, at the time, Edinburgh was considerably "advanced" of London. Much cleaner and had a university. Moreover, it was in what is called the "Auld Alliance" with France. In most respects, Scotland and France have been allies, rivalrous or inmical to England, from the earliest records up to the post-revolutionary change.

So of course Scotland was admirable of the Pope. Curiously, Pontius Pilate had a Caledonian guard corps, so, there is reason to suspect Scots were present near the formation of Christianity.

Secondarily, it was also tied to other Catholic countries. Northern Ireland was started over some Spanish wine. Kilwinning Abbey was built by French and Italians. Medieval Scotland was definitely continental, there is little that suggests that anything particularly friendly was ever going on with England.

The picture of "new", non-Norman nobles being given the keys to the kingdom in the same way, does not seem to fit. I would have to say it is entirely possible someone could cook up such a scheme and try to press it through a king, although it has no significance in my recollection.

The other historical dog in this fight is Scota, the daughter of the Egyptian pharaoh Akenkheres. Having been exiled from Egypt Scota lived in Spain for a time before settling in Ireland. Eventually ships were sailed, battles were fought and Scota's people began ruling parts of Scotland.

Similar. Never thought of it. There are a lot of Egyptian records available, although some of it is vague. Linguistically it is correct that "Scots" refer to the sea-going Irish, who drove the Caledonians to the highlands in order to form Dalriada, the first known native "kingdom of Scotland" in the 600s.

The only reason Scotland was particularly interesting was because of how close it is. It hasn't got anything to offer. Whereas you could say, not really England, but Exeter and Cornwall had been important since 1,200 B. C. E. (and perhaps earlier) because of Tin. It's not because they "discovered" tin and went across the Channel to try to sell it. It only figures there was a standing connection which formed a market with this important technological change.

Then if you want to give Stonehenge an estimate, and it is 1,800 B. C. E. or whatever it is, and, it was made by the same masonic guild that made the pyramids, and, well, everything, it might make sense. They went to all these different nations and had big parties. There were lavish sums of beer and meat, people would have a job for ten or twenty years, and then they would have to go somewhere else. So that is why it has that flavor, is because that is what it actually was.

I would have a hard time believing anyone's personal story that anyone could concoct by fishing around in the background.

The crux of the matter here is that king Robert I and his court are sucking up to the pope big time and asking for his formal recognition and protection. The Declaration of Arbroath is declaring that the pope is the most powerful man on Earth, the boss of all human bosses and the king(maker) of all kings.

That would be Europe.

The only exceptions are the Baltic States.

Well before the Protestant movement, the silver tongue of Venice is the first known power to place an ambassador in every kingdom.

This is what ultimately grips England or the United Kingdom as an anti-papal vehicle, and, therefor, mushrooms from the actions of Cromwell. In a lot of popular literature, "Jewish bankers" form a cover on this, but I think we could just consider them indifferent and blended together. Who was he removing, Scottish Catholic Stuarts, who were Normans.


Here's the thing.

Instead of the Knights Templar, the issue in Masonry is that it is required to be non-denominational. It can't give you any guidance as to whether to be Catholic or Protestant, and, it has to accept any kind of person.

So that is true in the rules, but, in practice, if it does resemble a form of social club, then, what happens, like-minded people drift together.

But this was a Christian institution, and, along comes the issue of, what about Jews?


So, of course, it was heavily objected at first. You can perhaps find records of Jews joining Lodges, or even founding their own, in the 1700s, but these are all isolated, temporary examples. It basically wasn't tolerated.

That was changed post-Napoleon around Frankfurt, to a permanently-open door.


Again, it is like still being stuck in the same discussion. One doesn't want to be automatically "unfair" to the Jews, but, one may not automatically wish to grant power to Zionists.


I, myself, have no clue how to design kingdoms and equal rights from within that bundle of religious understanding. I don't even think it would work.

But yes, that was a major issue, in the time when lots of freemasonic lodges were being opened, were the Jews considered as having souls invoking the same deity. If it was that different, shouldn't you oppose it? What is Christianity? Aren't you supposed to convert these people? What is their problem??


Well, the Templar threat was really another angle on that discussion.

I would maintain the Templars came in contact with Mandeism.

I don't think the papistry understood it, even as recently as around 1879 it was suppressed in inaccurate language such as "St. John Christians". This is wrong.

Whatever they may have known or had to say was silenced, however, on the next look, approximately the same thing is true of the Knights Hospitallers. And they became headquartered on Malta for centuries. They were defeated by Napoleon and replaced with a shill on the Italian mainland. Its tradition survived temporarily in the Alchemists and original Rosicrucians up to Isaac Newton.

Aside from them, there was nothing in Europe besides this narrow Christian and Jewish confusion and clash.

If it was me, in England, I would totally try to revive Newton over Cromwell, or "Why Newton was a Natural Philosopher and You're Not", and go Hunting the Greene Lyon.

[shaberon]

From looking at the "Declaration" document, it makes sense.


It comes from the wake of this snafu:

The pope had recognised Edward I of England's claim to overlordship of Scotland in 1305 and Bruce was excommunicated by the Pope for murdering John Comyn before the altar at Greyfriars Church in Dumfries in 1306.


And, among the signatories in 1320, we see:


Walter, High Steward of Scotland (King Robert loyalist)


Stewart, or Stuart, is this office, which was created for them, which is already more or less a second king. Here it is about two hundred years old, and, it will take the throne of England.

The reason it meant nothing to me personally is because no one is there from Kilwinning Ayrshire. In fact the closest representative we see has a suspiciously non-Norman name:



Fergus of Ardrossan


They remember who it is:

The castle and estate passed to the Barclay family (also known as Craig) and through successive heirs until the 14th century when it passed to the Eglinton family on the death of Godfrey Barclay de Ardrossan, who died without an heir. Sir Fergus Barclay, Baron of Ardrossan, was said to be in league with the Devil and in one of his dealings, set the task for the Devil to make ropes from sand; on failing to do so, the Devil kicked the castle with his hoof in frustration and left a petrosomatoglyph hoofprint.

So they say. I don't know who that is.

The "author" is from Kilwinning, although he disappeared for a decade and there is no direct evidence of his authorship. Concerning the textual claims, the first and easiest reason to know they are full of it, is because they deny ever having been subjugated by England, which is obviously not true, because, that had just happened, and, this whole Declaration is an argument against the English king re-asserting the same dominion. I guess there is no dispute the line about Scythians says something like:



...migrating via Spain to Great Britain "1,200 years from the Israelite people's crossing of the Red Sea"


If no Israelites crossed the Red Sea, then, when did this happen?


Also, the Scottish kingdom of Dalriada:

..was destroyed and subjugated by the Pictish kingdom of the 8th century under Angus I


Angus is where this document is being signed.

The author has either lied twice, or just doesn't know.


Human origin and migration can be fairly easily traced and identified, which is usually a little embarrassing for these tales.



As for the Pharaoh:

Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten was a woman who reigned as pharaoh toward the end of the Amarna era during the Eighteenth Dynasty. The royal succession of this period is very unclear. Manetho's Epitome, an ancient historical source written in Egypt during the third century B.C., mentions a certain Akenkeres who was a "King's daughter" and ruled Egypt for twelve years and one month. This information is confirmed by the rare epithet, "Effective for her husband", which was used to refer to her in Egyptian records.

The epithet establishes that a female king, who was the daughter of a king (presumably Akhenaten), assumed power as pharaoh toward the end of the Amarna era. Akenkeres or Achencheres is probably the Greek form of her prenomen, Ankhetkheperure, as Rolf Krauss and Marc Gabolde have previously argued.

No one is sure who she is. It may be Nefertiti, or one of her daughters. There are multiple references that such a person exists, and, absolutely nothing about any kind of exile.

Her funerary relics are considered to have been re-purposed for Tutankhamen:






Since it has nothing to say about any daughters, we are relegated to the fact that "Scoti" is a Latin name.

It's not Gaelic.

There appears to be an effort to internalize it:

Edward J. Cowan traced the first mention of Scota in literature to the 12th century. Scota appears in the Irish chronicle Book of Leinster, in a redaction of the Lebor Gabála Érenn. The 9th-century Historia Brittonum contains the earliest surviving version of the Lebor Gabala Erenn story (centred on an unnamed Goídel Glas), but this earliest version does not mention Scota even indirectly.

As a source of historical information, the Declaration is less than worthless.

As to its significance, Scotland has a signed Quitclaim, so they are at least in the right to repudiate the English king. Later, England denies its own papal pledge.

If I was in Scotland, I'm not sure why I would any longer see the relevance in an inherited medieval throne that once was united to England. Not sure I would exactly want London as the boss. It's just gotten a bunch more wars to lead to where you are now.

As far as I know, the Welsh are probably one of the best examples of a truly independent nation that has retained something close to its ancient tradition, without re-inventing itself according to Hebrew or Latin. They have that because they fought for it.

Reading the full document with the "tribal history" near the front, and, in a very "declaratory" tone, again makes it seem that people are easily pleased by being told something about themselves. I have no idea if this caught on to where many people believed it. Not like the Lost Tribes. That idea is definitely a driving force that gives momentum to Zionist concepts.

[Hermoor]

Upon starting this thread I intended to probably focus on the bankers from slightly before the time of Cromwell to the Napoleonic wars and then see where the breadcrumbs took me.

For now at least, the breadcrumbs are mostly taking me back to ancient history and times before that.

The Hopi elders talk of the Great Spirit coming down and gathering the people of Earth on a small island before a global cataclysm would otherwise scatter them to the four corners of the world. Might that island have been Earth, a small island in the vastness of the sea of space? Was the 'garden of Eden' on the small island, so to speak? Might that island have been 'Atlantis'? Is it relevant to the time of Noah and the great flood? Dr. Lee Brown's timeline information is vague in that regard.

Going back to the Irish druid Ben McBrady, a terrible cataclysm devastated the Earth. In the Irish part of the world the European coastal areas were the hardest hit. Great floods came with the electrical storms and meteor impacts. Was this the druid timeline equivalent of Atlantis and/or Noah? At any rate, the few survivors were effectively scattered to the four corners of the Earth too.

McBrady was of the bloodline of the 'Order of the Telepaths'. He stated that the order was formed 3000 years ago. The order was eventually formed as the few surviving telepaths regrouped many years after the cataclysm. In the aftermath of the cataclysm the few survivors fled east. Over a long time they gradually returned to the west. Ireland was the last place to be settled. When the telepaths finally arrived in Ireland, they found a civilisation controlled by a widespread druid network. The telepaths infiltrated that network for their own safety and became druids too whilst maintaining their old order in secret.

For what it's worth John Lennon was supposedly fascinated by the story of Atlantis. So much so he purchased Dorinish Island off the west coast of Ireland to explore the matter further for himself.

If you think the druids are irrelevant nowadays, then why was their symbolism all over the coronation ceremony invitation for Charles and Camilla? It was the single biggest event for the UK establishment in 70 years!

McBrady's description of the etymology associated with 'druid' is both fascinating and mind blowing. The best I can do for now is writing it as I remember McBrady saying it. "Doch Ruad". He translated that as "The Red God". Over time 'doch ruad' became 'druad' and 'druid'.

So like virtually all ancient peoples and mystery schools, the esoteric druid spiritual and religious belief system was one based on a sun god and solar worship.

The Irish druids had a similar yet different belief system to their continental brethren. McBrady specifically stated the Irish druids worshipped the setting sun. The sun sets in the west. The druids considered the setting sun to be red in colour, hence their name is derived from the red sun god they worshipped. Also think of the T and O map here and geographical symbolism, Ireland was pretty much as west as one could go in the ancient world.

Then I thought "Wait a minute. Where have I seen red sun god worship before?"

That would be Ra in Egypt, god of the sun.



Things get even more profound when the Egyptian goddesses enter the fray.

For example this is Hathor.



Here is a depiction of Isis.



So what's with the bull horns on their heads? The zodiac is the main key to sun worship. The horns are symbolic of the constellation of Taurus.



The red sun is shining between the horns of Taurus. What does the red sunlight shine on first? What is closest to the shield of Orion?

So I guess Orion's shield might be kind of red then? Talking of red and shields....





"You know nothing, Hermoor. Do run along now and keep your trap shut."

Breadcrumbs are fun. They often lead to curiously unexpected places.

cont.

[Hermoor]

cont.

The most dominant exoteric religion in our world today is arguably Christianity's Roman catholicism. The main point here is the esoteric religion of the controllers is always different to the exoteric religion they insist the general public should believe in.

In their pomp the Romans controlled the biggest empire the world had known. Julius Caesar's "De Bello Gallico" is a valuable insight into how that empire was created. Interestingly enough one of Caesar's chief advisers was a Gallic druid called Divitiacus. The Roman empire was founded on colonialism and genocide. Military force and brutality established an empire and held it together whilst mind control governed over it. One of Caesar's biggest tactics was to get rid of the native spiritual and religious belief systems and replace them with Roman ones. They weren't allowed to worship their own gods and goddesses any more, they had to worship Rome's.

Roman scholars meddled with genealogies, timelines, history books and even our calendar. Before long hardly anyone even knew what month or year it was anymore. Native languages, cultures and traditions followed suit as the conquered peoples became more lost, confused, divided and compliant.

Again, the mainstay of Roman social mind control was religion. So let's have a further look at the workings of it.

Ancient mystery schools of all flavours were to be found all over the world and still are. Interestingly enough virtually all of these diverse flavours came out of practically the same global cooking pot. They were all based on solar deities and sun worship. The Roman mystery schools predominantly taught Mithraism. I say predominantly because it had a lot of Zoroastrianism in it as well as the teachings of other mystery schools from Greece, Egypt and more.

In days when practically none of the general public could even read or write, you had to be one of the top parasites to get in to a mystery school. The ruling class were always at the pinnacle of them. Their next generation kept the novice ranks full and the whole machine turning.

Every mystery school also had its constant share of privileged wandering scholars. There was a lot of churn and cross-pollination going on. The general apprenticeship from novice initiate to master was said to be 18-20 years. It's no coincidence Jesus went off the radar from the ages of about 12-30. The Bible is telling those of us with eyes to see that he was an adept of the mystery schools. Ben McBrady claimed Jesus studied in Ireland and I could well believe it. There is also compelling evidence he studied in at least Egypt, India and Tibet too. Take a deep dive into the constellation of Virgo. You'll find a manger there and also a house of bread in Bethlehem. Everything is written in the stars. Initiates of the mystery schools know how to decode these things, it was them who established the code in the first place!

Here's a telling taste of Mithraism. It's replete with sun worship, the zodiac and esoteric symbolism.



Mithras is slaying the bull in an act called 'tauroctony'. 'Tarot' cards are a derivation of that. Mithras is in red whilst the bull is white. The pharaohs of lower Egypt wore red crowns whilst those of upper Egypt wore white ones. Pharaohs also wore blue crowns for ceremonies and war. Look at the colours of the Union flag, Old Glory and that of France, for example. They are telling us something. Also consider the triangles atop the image and refer back to the image of druidic symbolism at the foot of post #22. They are telling us something too.

I tend to think Jesus was a highly gifted spiritual master. He likely caused the Romans a pile of trouble as an activist and freedom fighter of his day. So they hijacked his story and following before it got way out of control in their empire. Jesus' exoteric story and the Bible were the ultimate 'media brainwashing campaign' to keep the peasants stupid and compliant. He was the next cab off the rank for the evolution of solar worship and belief systems. And what a cab it was. Look at the miles it's done and still has left.

So who do the top parasites worship in private? Why do British monarchs; archbishops; heads of law and order; prime ministers; military chiefs and every other top establishment figure engage in grips as well as regular handshakes? They worship something we don't because they know something we don't. They've been schooled somewhere we haven't. Look at the world around us. I don't see the workings of a loving, benevolent Christian god. I see the very opposite.

I'm perfectly happy to have very little idea of who they worship in private. I like it like that. Suffice to say genocide; adrenochrome; child trafficking; usury; avalanches of taxes; servitude; pillaging and poisoning the entire planet and all the rest seems to keep their god very happy indeed.

Just say a peaceful and firm "No!" to devilry in all of its guises. We'll get through this and make a righteous Creator very proud.

[shaberon]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
Upon starting this thread I intended to probably focus on the bankers from slightly before the time of Cromwell to the Napoleonic wars and then see where the breadcrumbs took me.

It's a sick marriage.

By putting it that way, you have highlighted the two kinds of "crime syndicates".

One is Finance which is banking which was not majorly institutionalized prior to Cromwell; the other being Corporatism which arose in Toulouse in the 800s. Napoleon turned a country into a war factory, in other words, dealing with "stuff", as property and assets. It is effectively this Napoleonic machine that grew into The Steel Cartel that ran both world wars.

The financiers invited into London were the Venetian and Jewish influence via Netherlands and Belgium, and the early diamond market.

Not much past Napoleon, France and England are on the same side and become The Entente which has to do with the removal of Monarchy. After a thousand years or more of constantly hating each other, suddenly they find peace in this way, and who could be more Zionistic other than both of them.


Medieval Europe's finances were the consequence of Catholic law. They definitely marginalized Jews into only five or six professions, such as banking, which put them in a position to do usury.

It's a very awkward and unnatural conversation to try to work it out between such extremist religious beliefs. I can't answer for that part, which means nothing to me, I can only try to understand how the course of events flowed from particular ideas.

So what's with the bull horns on their heads? The zodiac is the main key to sun worship. The horns are symbolic of the constellation of Taurus.

Not quite.

The key to sun worship is that beings are qualitatively identical to the sun. We can find this medically as The Plasma Individual.

The Zodiac is *only* a Chaldean construct from around 600 B. C. E.; there is nothing intuitive about it. In fact, it's very cumbersome. See if you can even find Aries. Then check out Scorpio. Then explain to me how the sky is sliced into twelve imaginary wedges centered on nothing.

By contrast, Indian Lunar Mansions are the belt of stars the Moon actually travels across, marked off on a daily basis. There happen to be approximately twelve of these cycles per year. It's not exact, but, anyone could watch and say, yes, that's about twelve.

Prior to Chaldea, only a limited number of star signs had any meaning, and planets were basically ignored. There were *certain* stars and perhaps constellations that were highly regarded, but it was nothing zodiacal.

The Sun and Moon on their own were by far a much greater fixation.

A Horned Deity is therefor unlikely to have anything to do with Taurus.


I would suggest the archaic form of communication is based in Animal Petroglyphs. For example, as Egypt relied on the Nile, many civilizations relied on irrigation. However the "Rain Belt" covers Iran and projects out both ways, and, the stock Iranian animal is an Ibex. That is because there are only two seasons, wet and dry. Male Ibexes are usually solitary and remain distant, but they go in rut once a year and come out in droves and challenge each other. Soon after they are seen, the rains come in. So an Ibex with two Stars-of-David is just an observance of two sixth-month seasons.

You can look at these, and an astute person will soon come to the conclusion that a Bull or Cow is almost the same everywhere.

So, there is a common, or universal, solar belief, with regional variants such as different animal symbols and different ways of grouping the stars.

One of the most important "common" stars is unstable, the Pole Star.

Around 3,000 B. C. E., it used to be Thuban in Draco, then it shifted to something else, and then it went blank until Polaris entered the position around the year 500.

This is our "mythological problem", or why in some cases names or symbols change and perhaps violently, because nature does that.


When Thuban was the Pole Star, it was used to navigate from India to Egypt. So the stars as an observational science have certainly been critical throughout recorded history. If it had been an easily-intuitive divine symbol, it got dethroned.

The Cow or Bull is a divine symbol just based on itself.

It has to do with the fructifying force in nature.

I recently found that the inquiry into Zoroastrian theology is asked by Gaus Urvana, Soul of the Cow. The reply is spoken by what is translated "Creator", but in the original Avestan, it is Tvashtr, the Vedic deity.

Bull El is the native Canaanite deity.

Hathor at Aswan was involved with the applique' of Collyrium, a form of "anointing". To me, that implies an apostolic transmission, because in India, the word, anjana, doubles as "command" in this manner. If I recall correctly. It may have been Cinnabar.

A lens into Druidic culture can be found in translations from Gaulish. This piece is the same as a Vedic Yuga -- five years -- although the way they perturb it is their own:






It counts five consecutive years. Months are lunar and months of 30 days (MAT "good") alternate with months of 29 days (ANMAT "bad"). The lunar calendar is spread over the solar year, which is why this calendar has leap months (one at the beginning of the first year and one in the middle of the third year).

Written in 16 columns, it has 4 months per column. There are no phrases (perhaps only one in the heading of the first leap month).

The names of the months can be read as follows (with many graphic variants):

I-SAMON

II-DVMAN

III-RIVROS

IV-ANAGAN

V-OGRONN

VI-CVT-

VII-GIAMON

VIII-SIMIVIS

IX-EQVOS

X-ELEMBIV

XI-AEDRINI

XII-CANTLOS




In general there are no "druidic writings" but random finds including curses and the risque'. There is enough to partially reconstruct the language, which is the closest sibling to all the native dialects in the British Isles.

I have no idea what those terms mean, but it is unlikely to involve the Zodiac.

Another thing that is detectable is that while there are famous names like Shammash, Assur, etc., in some cases we see a format like "sun god of x town", and, this same convention is used by the Gauls. A deity may just be associated with a place, without further identification.

[Hermoor]

In starting this thread I ultimately wanted to dig into the banksters and see what developed from there.

What I would say off the cuff with a reasonable degree of certainty is that the "boss of the UK's swamp" does not actually appear on the UK's orders of precedence.

Yes or no to that, dear Avalonians? Please discuss.