What is Zionism?

[shaberon]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
Maybe Wikipedia, and for heaven’s sake, NOT Artificial Intelligence, could provide one with sufficiently objective ideas.

On this, here's what I have noticed.

We used to get a lot of "I don't trust Wikipedia", which is not a valid argument, because it's just a denial.

Wiki is weak in the sense that it omits information from biographies, like some Zionist dirt will not be posted on a person. The page won't actually commit the faux pas of substituting something false or misleading, it will just be incomplete.

On the other hand, it does have some complete and well-informed articles on "dirty" topics, but breaks in terms of the presentation. For example, these pages are not linked and have no clue of each other:

Zionism and Christian Zionism

British Israelism and French Israelism



So, yes, it really only takes a few hours of digging around, and the stray hints will come together. You just have to figure out how to pull up the right page, and deal with the fact that information on someone like Beza will be posted on one page but not another. If you just read "Zionism" it will not give you any clue as to the greater web drawn by the unlinked pages.

"Ivrit" comes across as plain old social engineering. I suppose it is effective in gaining willing accomplices in the way that Esperanto did not.

[shaberon]

Here is today's quick re-cap of disingenuity:


09:44 Netherlands bans Ben-Gvir, Smotrich over settlements, Gaza remarks

10:10 Smotrich accuses the Netherlands of “surrender to radical Islam” for declaring him persona non grata


As a personal anecdote, I'll say I have changed from someone who had a profound dislike of Islam to someone who finds Iran, a "stranger" I have nothing to do with, earning a place at the Diplomacy Table.

I didn't like it because it wiped out Indian Buddhism and acted like a Caliphate in many places. Those historical concerns don't trouble me much any more, partly from learning enough about it to see that modern extremists are easily recognized as Takfirs and people have a way to distance their philosophy from that. That plus meeting a few cultural Muslims from places other than Iran, and no, of course most normal people don't care anything about restoring some empire.


Zionist is a term that was specifically coined in the late 1800s out of phrases such as lover of Zion, because there was an idea that had been circulating for a couple of centuries.


And there is a page that will fail to give any dirt on The Pilgrim:






It is supposed to be a guy from the 1600s which of course there isn't any picture of.

St. Gaudens made a career of replicating it, so, several near-copies have been made of this thing in Massachusetts.

We don't know if he looked exactly like that, but, you can find out what was going on at the time.

Oliver Cromwell's bosom buddies.

In America we basically still have that.

Moreover, it is that sinister octopus that no one talks about, The Pilgrims' Society.

It's not modern Zionism, because that involves actual Jews.

They care about them to this extent, they can repent or die, doesn't matter. Israel is just a "phase".

But, yes, if you look into what was going on, it included early presidents of the Ivy League as well as our second actual president and the Wall Street faction generally. And so I have a problem with American Thanksgiving. I don't like this particular character. I'm not sure there is anything I like less. These guys still did the Salem Witch Hunts. This is a particularly disturbing aspect of humanity. But it seems to have grown, continuously, like a whale.

[Gemma13]

When I read some of the responses I feel I'm in a foreign land of gobbledygook where no one speaks bloody English.

Some of this nonsense is like wading through the Woke lunacy mindscape, only a much older version.