What would have to happen to reduce the world's population to 500 million?

[grapevine]

There are currently 8,045,311,447 (8bn) people in the world (including China's current population of almost 1.5bn) . What has to happen to reduce this number to the 500m written on the Georgia Guidestones?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Miller (here)
What has to happen to reduce this number to the 500m written on the Georgia Guidestones?

Ha. A very interesting question.

I'd guess a combo of war, famine, supply chain and energy grid collapse, disease (real pandemics like cholera and tuberculosis caused by a severe breakdown in infrastructure, including lack of clean water and medical facilities), and maybe a major solar event thrown in as well.

And factored into all of that is the weakening of the human immune system in maybe several billion people, with birth defects and infertility added to the mix.

If we consider all this as a wildlife biologist might, looking at (e.g.) fluctuating populations of deer or rabbits or mice, it's part of the natural cycle that an apparently thriving population can shrink quickly and significantly once a few of the balancing factors suddenly go right out of whack.

Humans are just sophisticated animals, subject to the same issues — but in some ways much more vulnerable now than they were even a few hundred years ago. We always need to remember that our current civilization, just one of dozens that have risen and then fallen in the past, has absolutely no divine right to exist forever in its current form.

[Satori]

As of this day and time in 2023, India’s population is 1,429,483,014 and rising every 2 seconds by 1 more person. India’s population is greater than that of China. Yet, India has a fraction of the land mass to put its people.

Since I started this post, India has 160 more people. Source www.Worldometers.info.

It’s going to take one hell of a series of calamities, man-made and otherwise, to get the world’s population to 500,000,000.

Just saying.

[rgray222]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Miller (here)
What has to happen to reduce this number to the 500m written on the Georgia Guidestones?

Ha. A very interesting question.

I'd guess a combo of war, famine, supply chain and energy grid collapse, disease (real pandemics like cholera and tuberculosis caused by a severe breakdown in infrastructure, including lack of clean water and medical facilities), and maybe a major solar event thrown in as well.

And factored into all of that is the weakening of the human immune system in maybe several billion people, with birth defects and infertility added to the mix.

If we consider all this as a wildlife biologist might, looking at (e.g.) fluctuating populations of deer or rabbits or mice, it's part of the natural cycle that an apparently thriving population can shrink quickly and significantly once a few of the balancing factors suddenly go right out of whack.

Humans are just sophisticated animals, subject to the same issues — but in some ways much more vulnerable now than they were even a few hundred years ago. We always need to remember that our current civilization, just one of dozens that have risen and then fallen in the past, has absolutely no divine right to exist forever in its current form.

As well as all the things Bill mentioned above we would have to assume that decreasing the population by such a drastic amount would be sinister in nature.

• Legislation that outlaws having any children. Young families are already afraid to bring children into the world because of the false threat of "Climate Change." Many people would openly and eagerly accept this legislation.
• Legislation that would only allow for one child per family
• Forcing young people into cities would make it prohibitively expensive for young families to have children.
• Outrageous worldwide inflation making housing and food prices too high for most families
• Keeping wages low and prices high would destroy families.
• Destroy the elementary and middle public (government) school system and prevent minorities from any type of school choice.
• Make universities indoctrination camps would discourage prospective parents.
• Abortion clinics on every corner and payment by the government
• Worldwide emigration.

Much of the above list looks and sounds very familiar

[shaberon]

Posted by Satori (here)
India’s population is greater than that of China. Yet, India has a fraction of the land mass to put its people.

True, but a lot of China is sparsely inhabited, and they dis-incentivize rapid growth.

The two places are superficially similar, and also like Iran, if we look for the last time they tried to attack/invade somewhere beyond their present boundaries, it has been centuries.

As far as the total population, I believe it took until about 1800 for the human species to amount to one billion. That, perhaps, is like an "unassisted" population cap, i. e. without rapid transport and cheap energy and so forth, they either cannot breed that much, or mortality is too high for it to ramp up.

I think the Georgia Guidestones are about as useful as a miniature golf course, which is where they belong.

That is not to say there are not some who believe in a "depopulation agenda", just means they believe in it, not that they can do anything (unless someone else does it for them).

Nuclear strikes on all the defenseless countries would do it. Russia would be mostly intact, and there could be a few pockets of survivors, amounting to perhaps 500 million overall.

[onawah]

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(The first part of the video is an appeal for funds to finish the documentary that the Epoch Times is making about the NWO's depopulation plan/ plan to enslave the remaining population via food shortages, poisoning humanity via eating insects, forcing people into "smart cities" etc.
The rest of the video is comprised of talks from various expert forum members who go into more detail exposing the globalists' inhumane agenda and how it is manifesting around the world.
It ends with a photo of a 2021 news story from Politico about how Washington is taking action to stop China from buying up farm lands in the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...urchase-499893
...so I imagine the Epoch Times documentary will be going into the most recent developments on that score. )


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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XFZUTlsNKoA

[Eagle Eye]

There will be similar problems even if we were 1000 people. Until year 1600 there were less than 500 million people, what happened then?! Wars, conflicts, greed, fight for power, for territory.

That's why humanity need to understand that, to live in peace and harmony, must first be aware of the consequences of every action. Things need to be understood to it's core, not superficially, like this fake equality that is heavily promoted.
People need to understand that there are degrees even in a small group. The Creator has created everything in ranks. It's not the same someone wise and someone ignorant, nor someone who works hard and a lazy one, nor someone who sacrifices things for a higher purpose and someone who follow it's desires. Even if in appearance they look the same, they are spiritually in different ranks.

[ExomatrixTV]

Maybe a large part of the answers can already be found on this Project Avalon Forum Thread ... see:

• The Depopulation Plan

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Many of the things mentioned could and would do it, but I think the big one will be famine.

The climate has gone nuts, there's no denying that. Sooner or later that's going to have an impact on crop yields. One wonders what this summer has already done to them in parts of Europe with the triple-digit temperatures and wildfires.

We know for example that most of the UK's food is imported. When those imports fail to arrive there's going to be shortages. Then prices will skyrocket. People are already suffering trying to make ends meet as it is. The scarcity of food will be the first domino to fall -- and that's in one First World nation. It be the same for all the others. God only knows about the Third World. But I fear for all those kids being born right now in India, a new one for every word I type. Many will not see their tenth birthday. Maybe not even their third.

And regarding the Georgia Guidestones -- a worthy (and interesting) conversation by itself. However they no longer exist. They were destroyed last year-
The Georgia Guidestones have been blown up

[Dorjezigzag]

Ok so its the usual 4 suspects riding a horse, War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death.

But we can resist many of these horrors with the right mindset. Some who have practised fasting know that we can go for long periods without food but many people will riot and turn to cannibalism in no time.

So an important factor is how we rise to the challenge of life and increasingly people are not rising to this challenge and walking in the shadow of death.

[ExomatrixTV]

• depopulation.news

[Satori]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)


Ok so its the usual 4 suspects riding a horse, War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death.

But we can resist many of these horrors with the right mindset. Some who have practised fasting know that we can go for long periods without food but many people will riot and turn to cannibalism in no time.

So an important factor is how we rise to the challenge of life and increasingly people are not rising to this challenge and walking in the shadow of death.

Zombies....

[aledum]

There is no need to rush time, because it's sequential. Remember that the movements and reactions of "Them" do not have exact dates. The younger generations (current and future) under 21 years of age will be the ones that will receive the full impact.

[rgray222]

Stephen Shaw joins Neil Oliver to discuss ‘harrowing’ figures that show the world's population is on the brink of crisis as people decide not to have children.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4DIQXjE0IgI

[Vicus]

Well... as funny relief if you whish...: periodically research world wide say there are no more as 5% gay people
and 3% trans in each country...so, only 8% world population is the right population...accord to our wannabe "Masters of the Universe"
"insert here---- the rainbow flag emoji"

When you do the math, 500 millions plus ,minus is what you get

that is called ELE : Extinction level Event

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

We can't blame war, famine, disease, or natural disaster for depopulation in the West, but depopulation is happening, happening in real time, and fast. In my opinion, a combination of factors is responsible for this. Top of the list, probably, are radical shifts in the social milieu.

Women are under attack. What it even means to be a woman is under attack.

Unrestrained hedonism and sexuality. Shame no longer existing.

'Body count' becoming a competition.

Abortion being celebrated.

In a world where opening a door for a woman can be considered sexual harassment, you can see why women are becoming less desirable to men. The dating pool is growing thin. What was once the norm for a woman: fall in love, get married, have children, is now considered a form of "far-right" rebellion. The word 'tradwife' is a new entry in the Oxford Dictionary.

Men meanwhile are criticised, demeaned, beat down, and feminised. One statistic I recently saw claimed that the average 20-year old male today has the same testosterone level as a 68-year old in 1970.

Maleness itself is in rapid decline, meaning diminished fertility rate and masculinity in general -- which makes men less desirable to women. In addition to all this, women have been told for two generations now that they don't even need men ("women need men like a fish needs a bicycle," etc). They don't need men, they don't need children. What they need to be happy is a career.

All that adds up to a population crash.

https://x.com/DavQuinn/status/1957763046572527714
David Quinn
@DavQuinn
In the EU last year, deaths outnumbered births by a stunning 1.26m people. Our societies have become incredibly child-unfriendly.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It's the great culling.
We've had them before.
Best not to have billions dying and competing for limited resources when the the Cyclical Catastrophe strikes again...

[Vicus]

After the Cyclical Catastrophe, there will be billions people NO more...only with great luck maximal the 500 millions and possible less

World wide... and some "wanna be Master of the Universe" in the mix...again...

[sdv]

I have mixed thoughts about the ongoing conversation about population collapse, especially in the West.

As we move into the age of AI and robots, a large working class becomes redundant. The conundrum is that drastic population decline is not a feature of countries with a high percentage of poor people. The tragedy of the Holocaust and Gaza is that it shows that it is not easy to wipe out entire populations, and the more evil your methods become, the more likely it is that a group of countries in the world will band together to stop you.

Capitalism requires an ever-increasing market ... population increase. If American-style capitalism collapses, that might open the way to sustainability being the predominant philosophy informing economics and social development. Many on this forum have embraced that philosophy.

Recently in my country, a billionaire embarked on a remarkable undertaking ... he decided to use his money to buy out all shareholders of a company and turn it into a non profit. The company is the owner of a chain of private schools. Turning it into a non-profit means all profits can be used for bursaries, extending facilities, and building more schools, i.e. making quality education available to more people. This is a glimpse of what may be possible beyond the capitalist model.

Capitalism and the aspiring billionaire culture require population increase. AI, robotics, and a move away from capitalism make human progress alongside a drastic population decrease possible.

My thoughts are scattered and not backed up by data and detailed analysis, but overall I think that population decrease could be a natural result of progress in technology and upcoming major political changes. In history, the opposite has happened, but perhaps we have reached the end of population increase being sustainable.

Of course, what I am afraid of is major catastrophes causing population collapse rather than a natural population decline. The psychological damage of major catastrophes invites extremism. There is already a doom narrative in discussions of population decline in developed countries. One prolific commentator went on a rant about the problems for society of old people living for too long. I wonder when the ire will turn on the large population of children in the world ... kill old people and get the young working productively from a younger age!

Clarification of terms
Non-profit: I used this term incorrectly. The chain of schools will still make a profit, but the company will be an NGO and not listed on the stock exchange or privately owned. So, profits are re-invested in the schools rather than paying shareholders.
Private schools: In the UK, they would be called public schools. They are not owned or run by the government.