Zionism, Ufology, the Apocalypse, and the Dawn of the Messianic Age

[Kryztian]

This is a well ground, and clear video about some of the world's craziest people, and their quite likely secret belief system. I often ask myself "What really is the agenda with Zionism? It isn't about making a safe haven for Jewish people? What could possibly justify the horror and violence that has been done to make the nation state of Israel a reality?" This video might help to answer why the crazies in Tel Aviv and Washington DC are committing genocide and other atrocities.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mctwXf22saY

49 minutes, almost no ads, and very well made video.


You may be familiar with the Collins Elite, a shadowy group of Christian conservatives in the Pentagon who believe that ufology is essentially a demonic phenomena and we should not be communicating with it. You might also be familiar Dispensationalist Christianity and the crazy Christianist U.S. Congressmen who think supporting Israel is going to bring about the rapture.

This video takes these pieces of the puzzle and throws in even more to show that from the Pentagon and Capitol to the IDF , there is a "Biblical" agenda driven by belief is derived from both Old Testament prophecies, the Book of the Revelation, and messages given to UFO experiencers interacting with non-human intelligence.

Some of the cast of characters in this video

• The Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the leader of the Chabad movement, who addressed congress, befriended Ronald Reagan, and told a young Benjamin Netanyahu that he would become Prime Minister of Israel, not just any prime minister, but the very last one, and he would hand over the power of the country directly to the Messiah. Schneerson would repeatedly urge Netanyahu to do what he had to do to expedite the Messiah's arrival.
  
  
• Tom DeLonge and the other cast of characters that were once "To The Stars Academy" who have talked to many in the Pentagon and CIA who believe they may be in communications with a group of non human intelligences . There doesn't seem to be a religious agenda here, but DeLonge is a Free Mason and it would seem that many of the high ranking generals he has talked to also share that world views. DeLonge says that many world leaders believe that the "world is magical" and that many of the ancient scriptures about Greek and Sumerian gods are true, and some of these gods represent "real people."
  
  
• Benjamin Netanyaho, who claims to be a secular Jew, but his language about events in Israel is becoming increasingly "Biblical." He is in touch with Yuri Geller, remote viewers and many others in the UFO community.
  
  
• Many "Christians" whose talk about the end times and the nation state of Israel being their fulfilment: Mike Pompeo (speaking about the rapture), Ted Cruz (typical dispensationalist Christian) Gen. Michael Flynn (wow, never realized how heinous this guy is! ), Rev. John Hagee, George W. Bush (43), Moshe Feiglin.
  
  
  
  
  President George W. Bush (43) talking to French president Jacques Chirac about Iran (aka "Gog and Magog" in biblical terminology).
  
  
• Weird apocalyptic statements from Lue Elizondo, Leslie Kean, Jim Semivan, and John Ramirez
  
  
• Chris Bledsoe, studied by CIA, military intelligence, etc. Made a prophecy that Iran would be bombed when the constellation of Leo is rising and the star of Regulus turns red. When Netanyahu announced that Israel was bombing Iran, the project was called "Operation Rising Lion!"
  
  
• Dan Smith - in an interview, Smith indicated that there is "an escatological emergency" which is "a threat to national security" which is why the CIA is interested in this, and that these "escatological" issues are related to the Book of Revelation. (There is speculation that Smith's source is a "mysterious doctor" whose name should not be said on Youtube or it might cause trouble. Is he talking about Dr. Kit Green?")

[Edit: Now I am pretty sure that the the "mysterious doctor" he is talking about is Dr. Ronald Pandolfi, who is a good friend of Smith.]

Many of the political figures on Capitol Hill working on the "Disclosure" issue are also the biggest beneficiaries of AIPAC and strongest supporters of Zionism.

[Kryztian]

Lubavitcher Rebbe: “After Bibi comes the Messiah”

Will Benjamin Netanyahu be Israel’s last prime minister before the Messiah comes?
Aviel Schneider * Nov 1, 2023 at 3:30 pm
https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/l...s-the-messiah/



The situation is only getting worse, and that has been made abundantly clear the past three weeks. War, apocalyptic sentiment, Benjamin Netanyahu (Bibi) is Prime Minister and the State of Israel is about to celebrate its 80th birthday. Never in its history has the nation of Israel ruled and lived freely and independently in its biblical homeland for more than 80 years. And so I would like to remind you of something a famous rabbi said regarding the coming of the Messiah.

About 30 years ago, the late Lubavitcher Rebbe told a young Netanyahu that “he, Benjamin Netanyahu, will be Israel’s prime minister, who will pass the scepter to the Messiah.” The Lubavitcher Rebbe said this during the election campaign in the 1990s, before Netanyahu’s first term in office. Today, Israel is in a kind of apocalyptic mood, Bibi is prime minister and the scepter is in his hand. Will Netanyahu, the nation and the world soon welcome the Messiah?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rHBiT6eJaQQ

Rabbis believed at the time that Netanyahu would be Israel’s last prime minister and after him would come the reign of the promised Messiah! But then his first government fell in 1999. The next year the Second Intifada broke out and in 2005 Israel evacuated the Jewish settlements in Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip and handed the coastal enclave over to the Palestinians. A year later, Hamas seized control of Gaza. In 2009, Benjamin Netanyahu became Israel’s prime minister for the second time and ruled until 2021. His voters, in part, saw in Bibi God’s anointed one, the Messiah and King David, a hero who has no competition among the people. Not only in the country but also abroad, Christians rave about God’s messengers on earth, especially in the USA. From their perspective, Bibi was not replaceable, and that was true for a while. This of course angers his opponents, who cannot handle the fact that Bibi is being glorified like a messianic figure and messenger of God despite his political shenanigans. In Israel, too, many people saw Benjamin Netanyahu as a savior.

Bibi eventually slipped into opposition for about a year until he was elected for a third time in November 2022. And now there is war under Netanyahu’s government and this can expand into a multi-front war or even a regional and global war. This is not a crazy idea, but a political perception of current reality. Anyone who doesn’t want to see and believe that probably lives in a different world. Now people are talking about the old prophecy of the Lubavitcher Rebbe again and are seeing a possible situation in which everything will come to a head. Will Bibi really be Israel’s last prime minister before the Messiah comes?

[jaybee]

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Rebbe.....".......after Bibi comes the Messiah...."

One has to pose the question.....'then what...?'

It's like that saying...'before enlightenment (aka the Messiah) chop wood, carry water ----- after enlightenment (aka the Messiah) chop wood carry water...'

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Thinking something really great could be just round the corner that will make EVERYTHING different seems to be a human trait - that comes with the love of stories - and the way out minds are wired - the first video in the OP was interesting (thanks).....

Let's hope the Satanists and/or Globalist Elite haven't created some crazy hybrid that they're going to bring out soon and go........'behold the Messiah...' lol - gulp....

But what ever happens or doesn't happen people, in general, will carry on their merry way as normal...

You can see, though, how strong belief in a coming Messiah (saviour)....whether it be truly believed or simply an exploited belief - is an extreme motivating force for a lot of people re what's going on in the State of Israel at the moment - :/ -

[sdv]

Hamas did not seize control of Gaza. They got the most votes in an internationally monitored democratic election. They thus formed a coalition government, in which they had the majority. 🤗

[Mike]

Hey Chris, I'll watch your video and offer my thoughts after. I'm open to being wrong about some of this.

My question for you (in good faith) is this: do you ever seek out and listen to videos that might be contrary to your point of view?

I've been pretty good over the years about watching videos offered by people I disagree with (Dennis once sent me a 10 hour series on Zionism and I watched every minute of it). Ive always politely asked if people would watch my videos as well and when I do they get very quiet.

I think a great intellectual exercise would be the following: we all have to do our absolute best to steel man the position that our ideological opponents take. I think that would be by far the most interesting and enlightening approach to this topic, instead of mulching over the same stuff over n over again.

My 2 cents.

[shaberon]

Okay. You all can report on the wonky behavior of people who hold these beliefs, and I'm going to chop them off at the root.


I noticed a big screaming announcement about "Gog and Magog". This reveals their general character:


Illiterate.


We can go through this step by step, and tell me if you find any exceptions.

The old texts do not speak about some two demonic kings ruling over the end times; actually the phrasing is more like "Gog from Magog", i. e. a region. In context, this is talking about the "north", i. e. around Zaphon, in today's Lebanon.

The author would have been talking about current and *near future* events. What would give anyone the idea they would talk about something thousands of years in the future?

Why would you do that?

No one really did, until, again around the 1700s, theologians decided these names must refer to modern Germany and Russia, so, you get the demonizing of these two countries who have been...subject to reprisals ever since.

It doesn't say that in the Bible.

For the "Messiah" fans, riddle me this.

The Messiah was Cyrus the Great.

The Jewish Messiah was neither Jewish nor Israeli. Moreover, when cherishing his memory, they wrote it in the "Greek Torah" called the Septuagint around 300 B. C. E.:


Cyrus Christos


There you have it. It's a done deal, those titles were attached to the region's most well-known figure for centuries. How can you suddenly peel them off and twist it around?


Those ideas appear to be invalid. Obviously, that stops no one from living their whole life based on some maniacal opinion about it, but, that reflects the mind of the reader, not the actual meaning of the terms or philosophies.

And yes, modern Israel has an open door for over a million Messianic Jews who are quite close to or are para-Christians, while I, at least, would be affected more by the pragmatic philosophy that the Messiah never comes.

The similar Christian Millennialism had movements as early as the 1,000s, obviously not a direct outflow from any Biblical setting, but, I would say, probably the most dangerous idea to ever erupt from the mind of man.

It's not strictly Zionism, but a huge motivation for the extreme facets of it.

Umbrella-like, the idea might capture the minds of those who are not even involved with Abrahamism; an atheist could be troubled by a "UFO Apocalypse". This is horribly insidious.

That it seems to be terribly important to many people does not make it important. The consequences of their actions are.

[Kryztian]

Posted by Mike (here)
My question for you (in good faith) is this: do you ever seek out and listen to videos that might be contrary to your point of view?

I got interested in ufology because I accidentally watched a video about crop circles (I thought it was about something else) and thought I could debunk it. I couldn't. (Although I did watch videos critical of crop circles, I decided that they didn't counter the important issues.

When the Obama Birth certificate hit the mainstream and many of my lib friends immedtiately dismissed it as "racism", I thought it was an interesting issue, mainly because I was becoming a genealogist and wanted to know more about authenticating documents and proving facts (like birth). After some research, I (rightly) concluded that all the documents of Obama being born in Kenya were fake and the whole think was a hoax. (I thought it was a political hoax then with the purpose of hurting Obama, but now think the intention of the hoax was just to divide left and right, and to smear conspiracy thinking. I thought it was case closed and then Bill Ryan started a thread on Obama birth certificate. I thought, good lord, isn't this a done issue? Bill then explained that this was just to document the conspiracy and he changed the title of the thread to make that clear. And I was okay with that. A year or two later, someone posted some new research about the birth certificate by someone who worked for Joe Arapaio in Phoenix. Their facts, analysis and evidence was impeccable, and the only logical conclusion was that the birth certificate was fake. That didn't really tell you where Obama was born or that it wasn't Hawaii, but it did say something very strange was going on. I also looked for information that would debunk the research of the people in Phoenix, but never found anything of substance. It also leaves me with a lot of questions - these guys clearly had a lot of tips about this story and knew where to find the evidence - they never revealed what led them to that info. There is clearly more to the story and it could implicate Obama, or Trump or anyone else. I am only interested in the evidence where it points.

I looked at 9/11 conspiracy literature for at least three years before I concluded that yes, it was an inside job. I looked for good evidence to support the official story. I couldn't find it, and it really was not my desire to become a 9/11 truther, but you have to go where evidence and truth lead you too.

I also have some Jewish friends in Israel with family there, a friend there. One of them had wonderful stories about going there in the 1950's and living on a Kibbutz. I really didn't want to become an anti-Zionist. But research and looking deeper leads me to change my views.

But the video on this thread is not a pro-Zionist or anti-Zionist theme. It is about the strange combination of religious esoteric ism that is driving these events.

I see you've been following me on different threads and asking me questions directed toward me and I've pretty much ignored them and I will probably continue to do so because conversing with you doesn't seem to raise the bar intelligence wise. When I talked to you about certain details of your idea of "wokeism" the only answer you could give me was "Well, it's obvious" and expected me to agree with your strongly held beliefs, and congratulated yourself on having the courage to accept these bitter truths. Then when we were talking about the rapes by Pakistani cab drivers you said "go look it up on the internet" and I did, and I came back to the thread with actually specific information and your only reply was basically "that's not it - go look it up on the internet" which might was well be saying "go jump in a lake." I have far better ways to waste my time than to continuing that discussion.

Mike, you've written a lot of intelligent and insightful posts on the forum, but some of your ideas are so black and white, especially when you write about some people (e.g "the woke", Moslems, new agers). I'll just say I think the world is a complex, especially where people are concerned and you just don't learn anything by trying to reduce them to some lowest common denominator.

[DNA]

Kryz
I'm of the opinion we can speak on personal opinion, quick, easy and rational.
To the point without flooding the post with too much content.
Keep the message simple is my only suggestion to your writing style.
For instance I would like to reply to your initial post but I didn't get a personal digestion and an actual personal opinion from you on the matter.

I love the journey of personal revelation and discovery. As such I want to hear your take on the matter.
Wrong, right or bat **** crazy.

Do you believe in the Zionist God? Jehovah?
Do you believe in the Tom Delong Gods alluded from his books and meetings with joint Chiefs of staff generals?
Are UFO occupants demons?
Are the Collins Elite in possession of some true information on all of this or are they bat **** crazy?

Are there gods, real gods, demanding human sacrifice and granting matrix altering benefits to their benefactors?

[Mike]

I've always liked this sort of weird occult/UFO connection stuff, and I enjoyed the video on that level. There's a strong argument to be made for political leaders appearing to be fulfilling prophecy (or exploiting it for power), but it's gets very murky when we get into the UFO stuff (I know, when is UFO stuff not murky lol)

I think as we abstract higher and higher up the food chain of the "controllers" the religions get more and more esoteric and less and less God-centered and good. They become downright demonic if much of what I've read and seen are true. I sort of trend towards these so-called UFO's being more demonic than alien in nature. I realize I'm painting with a big brush here but it's such a massive topic that it would have to be dissected one bit at a time.

The video is mostly about extremest religions and prophets but it weirdly never explores the most extremist "religion" or it's demented pedophile "prophet". Which is strange.

And even if Netanyahu was as diabolical and messianic as the video suggests, and even if Judaism was as extreme as it's presented here, it's still 2 billion Muslims worldwide vs 15 million Jews; the fixation as usual is on one tiny sliver of land, all at the expense of what's going on nearly everywhere else in the world. Once again I'm left scratching my head. Who is bullying who here exactly?

But I digress...

Religion and the religious can get very wonky, but it's a Judeo-Christian foundation that keeps the world from going insane. It's the soup we're all swimming in and have been swimming in for a long long time, so much so they we've actually forgotten it's there. It's responsible for almost everything good and true and beautiful you've ever been exposed to or enjoyed. But like fish who slowly become unaware of the water they're swimming in, we've done the same. This Judeo/Christian foundation (plus enlightenment values, classical liberalism and a smattering of other stuff, or what we call the west) is what gave you the moral foundation you now possess to criticize it. It's what offers you the luxury you now enjoy to speak ill of it. It's the only reason we're freely exchanging words here on this forum.

That wasn't very nice what you said about my intelligence, Chris. I don't know whether to embrace this new victimhood, vanish for a week or so, or go tell on you in Bill's Q and A thread. Maybe I'll start a poll.

But I am heartened that you're willing to explore ideas that you've been committed to for a while. I think that's vital. I do it too all the time, even with the "woke" stuff that you claim I'm so one dimensional about. Without even going back to look at that exchange you mentioned I already know what happened, because you do the same thing every time

Ya gotta understand, (and I'm smiling when I write this, and there's no animosity at all, truly) what you often do, maybe unknowingly, is the following: you have a habit of saying spectacularly naive things or asking spectacularly naive questions when your back is against the wall and you have nowhere else to go. And when people get predictably exasperated with you (like Matthew did recently or like I likely was in that "woke" discussion) and say something like "sheesh, it's obvious!", you will conveniently interpret this as intellectual surrender and then ride off and claim victory as a kind of face-saving strategy.

So, you're right, the world is very complex! But you're often leaning into a kind of silly nuance when it's convenient (I have a nice Muslim friend!) and then ignoring real nuance when it's not (by ignoring the rest of the world in favor of one small slice of land in the middle of nowhere).

[shaberon]

Posted by Mike (here)
it's a Judeo-Christian foundation that keeps the world from going insane.

That's a thread title.

Could you start one and supply the thesis such as might not have been seen in this OP?

I'm not sure the things said after that snip are sequiturs. That was a broad brush. There are probably millions if not thousands of ideas under that hood that may lead to some fireworks appearing in a thread.

It's like this. I know what an Orthodox is, and, although I don't agree with him, I can accept his ethos as a valid partner in the world.

When it comes to opinions on "Christian", I'm completely lost. I don't know what it is, and I don't really agree with anything that appears to sprawl forth from the corresponding social engineering. I'll defend anyone to say or believe whatever they want, until such engineering has negative consequences on other beings. If a train of thought leads to unacceptable policies, rebuking starts.

There are miles and miles between disagreeing with someone on a few minor points, and stopping them with unlimited force. This is diplomacy. I'm marking a territory about what would be taken as unacceptably dangerous, and anyone who violates that is stopped with unlimited force.

That's what I meant by the "indifferent to prison" remark a couple weeks ago. All anyone can do is decide where they stand in relation.

Millennialism is an extraordinarily dangerous belief. Similar to doctrines of Revenge, if less palpable. I won't agree with anything like that sponsored by a social contract I am involved with. I might agree to Treatment Centers for it.

[DNA]

Damn Mike, you wax poetic even in the midst of being called a dumb a$$ and having to defend yourself.
The extent you manage to not take things personally never ceases to amaze me.
Thank you for that.
You are an inspiration on that account.
Thank you.

Kryz I asked you some d@mn questions earlier.
Why don't you get off your @ss and answer them.
Why the hell are you going to go through the trouble of starting a thread and then not participate in proper dialogue?
Who are you John Exomatrix?
I kid I kid.
Nothing but love.

[Mike]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
it's a Judeo-Christian foundation that keeps the world from going insane.

That's a thread title.

Could you start one and supply the thesis such as might not have been seen in this OP?

I'm not sure the things said after that snip are sequiturs. That was a broad brush. There are probably millions if not thousands of ideas under that hood that may lead to some fireworks appearing in a thread.

It's like this. I know what an Orthodox is, and, although I don't agree with him, I can accept his ethos as a valid partner in the world.

When it comes to opinions on "Christian", I'm completely lost. I don't know what it is, and I don't really agree with anything that appears to sprawl forth from the corresponding social engineering. I'll defend anyone to say or believe whatever they want, until such engineering has negative consequences on other beings. If a train of thought leads to unacceptable policies, rebuking starts.

There are miles and miles between disagreeing with someone on a few minor points, and stopping them with unlimited force. This is diplomacy. I'm marking a territory about what would be taken as unacceptably dangerous, and anyone who violates that is stopped with unlimited force.

That's what I meant by the "indifferent to prison" remark a couple weeks ago. All anyone can do is decide where they stand in relation.

Millennialism is an extraordinarily dangerous belief. Similar to doctrines of Revenge, if less palpable. I won't agree with anything like that sponsored by a social contract I am involved with. I might agree to Treatment Centers for it.

I've been intending to start that thread. I'm just overwhelmed at the moment with other life stuff. People are actually paying me to write on Substack now, which is what I've always wanted, but now I feel this crippling sense of obligation 24 hrs a day to entertain them like some kind of performing flea.

I absolutely will start that thread though at some point. And I'm anxious to hear your thoughts

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mike (here)
it's a Judeo-Christian foundation that keeps the world from going insane.

My first response is that I very strongly disagree — but before I say much (and I might not say much more, even later ) I'd need to see some kind of definition/description of what the 'Judeo-Christian foundation' is.

My provisional starting point is that the 'Judeo-Christian foundation' has wrecked the world. Like frogs in the pan, we just can't see it because (a) it's been happening so gradually over many generations, and (b) we're just so VERY VERY used to the entire way 'western' society is structured.

We think it's all normal and somehow optimal. But it's not.

Looping back to the 'ufology' component in the thread title here, I'm as sure as I can be that at least some of the ETs (some are concerned, and some are not) all see this crystal clearly. The ones who care are more concerned about the destruction of the biosphere than whatever human 'civilization' might eventually do to itself.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In my opinion, it's the demons in charge that wrecked the western world, not the Judeo-Christian foundation that built it.

[Kryztian]

Posted by DNA (here)
Kryz
I'm of the opinion we can speak on personal opinion, quick, easy and rational.
To the point without flooding the post with too much content.
Keep the message simple is my only suggestion to your writing style.
For instance I would like to reply to your initial post but I didn't get a personal digestion and an actual personal opinion from you on the matter.

Do you believe in the Zionist God? Jehovah?
Do you believe in the Tom Delong Gods alluded from his books and meetings with joint Chiefs of staff generals?
Are UFO occupants demons?
Are the Collins Elite in possession of some true information on all of this or are they bat **** crazy?

Are there gods, real gods, demanding human sacrifice and granting matrix altering benefits to their benefactors?

Posted by DNA (here)
Damn Mike, you wax poetic even in the midst of being called a dumb a$$ and having to defend yourself.
The extent you manage to not take things personally never ceases to amaze me.
Thank you for that.
You are an inspiration on that account.
Thank you.

Kryz I asked you some d@mn questions earlier.
Why don't you get off your @ss and answer them.
Why the hell are you going to go through the trouble of starting a thread and then not participate in proper dialogue?

Because:

1. I don't really don't have an interesting opinion on some of the questions you asked.
   
   
2. We are getting off topic here, and some of some of the other questions, which I could answer, would make this thread even more off topic. The topic here is your or my personal beliefs, they are the beliefs of the people driving UFO disclosure and driving the events bringing about Zionism.
   
   
3. Because if I did answer them, I would probably violate the writing style guidelines you are attempting to impose on me at the top of the thread, you writing style Nazi, you.

Nothing but love.

Back at ya.

[Kryztian]

Haim Eshed is (or was) a general in the IDF (one of only 24). He is the "father" of Israel's space program. At the end of 2020, he released a book in Hebrew "The Universe Beyond the Horizon" and gave an interview. He has made some extraordinary statements about "what is out there" . Quite extraordinary, considering how high level he is. His book has not been translated into English, and he has never been heard from since.

Some of his statements:

• The U.S.A. and multiple nations have signed agreements with Aliens during the Eisenhower years. They would have a secret landing base in Nevada. The would provide us with technologies like anti-gravity.
  
  
• "There is a group of partners – the Americans, the Russians, the Japanese, the English, and the Chinese – all coordinated at a level that is still not allowed to publish, and those who asked not to publish it are them." Interviewer: Who are “them”? Eshed: "The Galactic Federation." Eshed goes on to explain that they are a group of nine.
  
  
• "the corona virus has calmed everything down and is bringing us closer to them"
  
  
• "there is an underground base in the Martian mantle, and there are THEIR representatives there as well as our American astronauts."
  
  
• Elon Musk's company SpaceX is connected to "the alien issue."
  
  
• When you go into space "your consciousness changes. If you go into space, you come back different. Your image is different. Ask any astronaut who has been there. They have been waiting until today for humanity to develop and reach a stage where we will even understand what space and spacecraft are."
  
  
• "If you understand that your consciousness builds the structure of the universe, you will say: What do I have to fight with it? I contribute my part, I advances, in the end I am part of the fabric. I believe that humanity will stop worrying about pettiness and rise to the next level. Ten years from now we will see a different consciousness."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xWmhOHN1HyI

Haim Eshed December 2nd 2020 interview translated from Hebrew: https://www.disclosurecolorado.org/h...ew-dec-2-2020/

[jaybee]

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wow - that video above, from Jason Samosa, about Haim Eshed, was very thought provoking indeed....

many thanks for putting us onto his channel, Kryztian.... it was so funny when he talked about the 'Galactic Federation'...

couple of thoughts..... I was only thinking the other day....as you do ..... about whether 'UFOs' might be, a kind of portable stargate.....(it was sparked off by a video on another channel by someone else who started off as a regular preacher in The Church then moved onto a wider view of Earth's history) - I will try and relocate the video again soon)

and I have always suspected that the Ark of the Covenant could have been activated and used by Modern Man ....and maybe replicated as well..... to facilitate the controlled appearance + communication with Beings from other dimensions... the Upper Echelons of the Freemasons might be involved in that.... (perhaps) ??......a different form of movement through dimensional 'space'.....

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
it's a Judeo-Christian foundation that keeps the world from going insane.

My first response is that I very strongly disagree — but before I say much (and I might not say much more, even later ) I'd need to see some kind of definition/description of what the 'Judeo-Christian foundation' is.

My provisional starting point is that the 'Judeo-Christian foundation' has wrecked the world. Like frogs in the pan, we just can't see it because (a) it's been happening so gradually over many generations, and (b) we're just so VERY VERY used to the entire way 'western' society is structured.

We think it's all normal and somehow optimal. But it's not.

Looping back to the 'ufology' component in the thread title here, I'm as sure as I can be that at least some of the ETs (some are concerned, and some are not) all see this crystal clearly. The ones who care are more concerned about the destruction of the biosphere than whatever human 'civilization' might eventually do to itself.

Maybe I'll tempt you to say more I get your position on this entirely, btw. You can make a convincing argument for it, and I've made those same arguments myself many times until changing my position these last few years little by little, for better or worse. Like I said to Shaberon, I'll start a thread on it eventually. The issue I'm having with it is, besides time is 1) if I say everything I want to say it'll be far too long and no one will read it! and 2) if I offer up a skeletal version it'll be glib and inadequate. I don't know how I'll resolve that but i'll do my best with it when I eventually get around to it.

Getting back on topic: When I watched the video in the OP I was reminded of a chapter called 'Games Non-People Play' in a John Keel book called 'Mothman Prophecies'. I think Keel and Vallee were the 2 paranormal pioneers who really understood early on that these non-human intelligences could be separated into various categories, with aliens from outer space being only one.

The types that manipulate world leaders and offer both accurate and inaccurate predictions to the occultists that follow them - Keel called them 'Ultraterrestrials', and felt strongly they were largely demonic (which is a term I favor but I understand many don't like due to religions connotations). Anyway, these demonic ultraterestrials were akin to fallen angels, and existed mainly to mess with people and cause chaos, generally speaking. And that was the dark joke at the end of the book - that there were no great meanings attached to much of this, just nefarious entities leading humans along by the nose because it was simply in their nature to do so.

Which is why I'm inclined to agree with Mark's summation, that it's these demons that wrecked the western world and not the Judeo/Christian foundation that built it. It's being wrecked by demons precisely because it is good imo. After all my wailing and whining and bitching about "woke" and various other rotten ideologies infecting the west, I reached that same conclusion a couple years ago, that this was largely a demonic thing. It all sounds very woo-woo, but weirdly I think it's also the most logical conclusion as well.

[grapevine]

Posted by jaybee (here)
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couple of thoughts..... I was only thinking the other day....as you do ..... about whether 'UFOs' might be, a kind of portable stargate.....(it was sparked off by a video on another channel by someone else who started off as a regular preacher in The Church then moved onto a wider view of Earth's history) - I will try and relocate the video again soon)

and I have always suspected that the Ark of the Covenant could have been activated and used by Modern Man ....and maybe replicated as well..... to facilitate the controlled appearance + communication with Beings from other dimensions... the Upper Echelons of the Freemasons might be involved in that.... (perhaps) ??......a different form of movement through dimensional 'space'.....

It has to be something like that, as going the "traditional" route to space travel doesn't quite work out according to Brian Cox, unless the journey is one way.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U8uEg2HNuMM

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Posted by jaybee (here)
wow - that video above, from Jason Samosa, about Haim Eshed, was very thought provoking indeed....

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it and my thoughts are still whizzing about my head too. There are some other pieces of the puzzle that I thought needed to be connected with the idea of an upcoming event (biblical/ufological) centering on that land of "Zion", and Samosa may have tied them in here:

1) The corona virus and the vaccine - they are clearly part of some time line - - ushering in some thing that needs to be done before we get to the final stage.

2) The Telepathy Tapes - a sudden increase in telepathy in on sector of humankind, those people who are severely autistic. And since "vaccines cause autism" (putting that one in quotes because I don't want us to go off topic debating whether that's true or not) that could that explain why vaccines are being pushed on us.

3) Podesta email release / Pizzagate - (Samosa didn't dare mention the "Pizza" word on Youtube.) Wikileaks email release from John Podesta and how that led to Hilary Clinton loosing out on the "Disclosure" initiative that she and Podesta were going to launch if she had won the 2016 election.

There is only one more element that I am waiting for him to tie in to this story:

4) The Epstein Files!!!

Pretty sure that there is something here to do with the cast of characters that is trying to control the narrative here. And perhaps like Pizzagate, the Epstein Files could sabotage that control of the Earthly Powers that be over this narrative.

whether 'UFOs' might be, a kind of portable stargate.....

Not something I know a whole lot about, but here is another video from Mr. Samosa that might have some interesting ideas about what, really, are UFOs.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IlzYxRDCoFA