The White Race

[Ernie Nemeth]

I don't like how it makes whiteness sound secondary. I personally refute any idea that whiteness is an adaptation to anything. Just like I would refute any other skin color being an adaptation. Melanin regulation is a way to tell one sub-species from another. I would even venture to add that the home worlds of the white-skinned races have varying degrees of light levels requiring the ability to regulate how much melanin is released.

No humans are from this world, the Earth. This is easily proven because as far as we know advancements are not marked by a reduction in sophistication. In this case, the human family had to loose two chromosomes in order to become human: 42 instead of 44 like the big apes. That sort of 'accidental' evolution, if it had indeed occurred, would be on par with the evolution of the first eyeball - almost impossible to believe and accept as fact.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
No humans are from this world, the Earth. This is easily proven because as far as we know advancements are not marked by a reduction in sophistication. In this case, the human family had to loose two chromosomes in order to become human: 42 instead of 44 like the big apes.

That's astounding.

You really believe this?

Skin color is not an adaption, even though I can see myself getting lighter and darker every year.

Because of comparing humans to apes, the conclusion is that people are not from earth.

I can understand if someone wants to put "maybe", or, "there is a question", but easy proofs for a New Set of Facts come across as you inhabit a delusion. It's certainly not helping me fill in the blanks about what my "race" supposedly is, leaving me unable to identify with it personally, or, identify it at all.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
No humans are from this world, the Earth. This is easily proven because as far as we know advancements are not marked by a reduction in sophistication. In this case, the human family had to loose two chromosomes in order to become human: 42 instead of 44 like the big apes.

That's astounding.

You really believe this?

Skin color is not an adaption, even though I can see myself getting lighter and darker every year.

Because of comparing humans to apes, the conclusion is that people are not from earth.

I can understand if someone wants to put "maybe", or, "there is a question", but easy proofs for a New Set of Facts come across as you inhabit a delusion. It's certainly not helping me fill in the blanks about what my "race" supposedly is, leaving me unable to identify with it personally, or, identify it at all.

continuing from last post: yes, just an opinion, sorry

[Tammy]

Well it seems to me that something is going to happen to the humans here on earth. I’m trying to figure it out! U must know? Maybe or is it a secret?

[Michel Leclerc]

It is a secret Tammy. I do not know it either. I only know that it is a secret. What told me that it is a secret did not then tell me the secret. It is of the kind that does not tell secrets. By definition, as it were. Or by decision, which at its level amounts to the same.

[shaberon]

I don't have any secrets. I have other peoples' secrets. By definition, I cannot tell you them.

I only have a few clues, which are not really even mine, but just repeated versions of measurements made by others.

One is that water molecules ride around in space, encapsulated in what can become meteorites to us. Complex organic molecules are similar. That is a headstart towards life forms. The planet doesn't have to start from scratch. And, well, anywhere near this age range, we can measure a zircon crystal at about 4.2 billion years of age, the problem is that most organic material deteriorates relatively rapidly in this environment.

Correspondingly, there was limited research into ancient human genetics until around the 2000s, and so this knowledge base has grown exponentially in the past few years.

The easiest way to understand it is to think in terms of Ice Age Bottleneck. Previously, there were small numbers of people with limited genetic variety, and it is almost entirely since then that there are larger numbers, more intricate migrations, occupancy of different regions, and so forth. And so even though you find Acheulian tools at astounding ages, it seems to be that many of these communities perished, went extinct. Much like animals, modern humans are "survivors" from far more difficult times.

It turns out that there are two kinds of white races that caused large and notable migrations from around 10.000 B. C. E.:


Caucasus --> Armenia --> Semites --> Ethiopia

Siberia --> India --> Arabia --> Ethiopia



Let's take a moment to carefully assert that some Ethiopians or Bantu are of Siberian descent.

First of all, it comes in the same lineage as U4 which is Siberian:

Haplogroups U9 and U4 share two common mutations at the root of their phylogeny. It is interesting that, in Pakistan, U9 occurs frequently only among the so-called Makrani population. In this particular population, lineages specific to parts of Eastern Africa occur as frequently as 39%, which suggests that U9 lineages in Pakistan may have an African origin (Quintana-Murci et al. 2004). Regardless of which coast of the Arabian Sea may have been the origin of U9, its Ethiopian–southern Arabian–Indus Basin distribution hints that the subclade's diversification from U4 may have occurred in regions far away from the current area of the highest diversity and frequency of haplogroup U4—East Europe and western Siberia.

We have to be careful because if we follow the Makrani link, there is only a lacuna where information about U9 would be expected.


By definition, it is a mutation from U4 that took place somewhere around 5-8,000 B. C. E., except we don't know where that physically happened. If one asserts that U9 is "of Bantu origin", implicitly you are saying the Siberian gene flowed all the way there directly. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, the point is that regardless of the new mutation, it originated from Siberia.

As said in a study that finds it rare in Saudis:


Most probably, Ethiopia received its U9 lineages from the Arabian Peninsula that, in turn, received them from northern areas. The southern geographic distribution of U9 contrasts with the west-northern distribution U4, of its sister clade.


and it is also rare in:


Austria [6], England [6], Hungary [6]

The European clade U2e and the rare clade U9 could have reached the Arabian Peninsula from northern areas



So the English share ancestry with these people from less than twelve thousand years ago, possibly shortly before the advent of writing:





The English are more closely related to Pakistani negroes than Indians are to Iranians.

Obviously a single piece of genetic information has little to do with a person's appearance. It does however give a reasonable impression of the physical movement and mixing of human beings. Ethiopia doesn't have a caste of U9 white Siberians, it somehow has received a northern contribution to its prior status.

On the historical record, around 700 B. C. E. there is mass movement from Africa to Pakistan, just like Semitic ancestry and its related language *enter* Ethiopia at about this same time.


I'm not sure what kind of race theory to craft out of this.

I would tend to conclude that Semites are Caucasians, or they are in fact Japhetic.

However, I still don't find cohesiveness based on my appearance or known heritage. I find much more disagreement apparently *within* that, which is why I have an "adoptive" culture that ignores appearance, location, etc., and can only be defined by mentality.

[Ratszinger]

The entire planet appears to be dark with the exception of one race, the "Caucasians" whose name speaks to their origins in the mountains named after them. There is a repeated link that goes around Facebook and X both about a body found in the early 1900s in the ice and this man is pictured here for the United Kingdom. Turns out that even though this body has been on ice in storage since found it contained viable DNA they were able to extract and they found his living relatives today just a short walk away from where he was found. His modern day relatives however, although the same haplogroup and DNA are all light skinned or white. So it begs the question what took place to cause this skin pigment loss between them and now to lead to this condition in his modern day relatives? Let's consider underground living in places like Derin Kuyu and others now known to have once housed 60 to 90,000 people just in one small area. Imagine how many dwellings have not even been found yet that are there. They've discovered well over 240 so far in Turkey.

This wasn't just a temporary living arrangement with churches and schools, and places for the animals. They made wine, no short time endeavor. No this has to be due to climate change above, probably severe cold and they sought a steady year round temp underground. It's commonly told to us that blue eyes and green eyes and blond and red hair as well as freckles all originated here in this same area.

That causes me to wonder if maybe the underground long term living and diet changes to the new environment they lived in had something to do with all those things showing up in the genes of men afterwards. Maybe whites got their lactose tolerance into old age because of those adaptations to a new way of getting the vitamins they used to get from the sun? Maybe the fact white people can absorb all the daily uptake of vitamins they need from the sun in 10 or so min. compared to dark skinned people that take hours to uptake the same amount? Could it all be related to the simple choice once made by our ancestors to live underground for a thousand or more years? How long would it take for a dark person that wen underground to lose pigment?

[Irminsül]

The "White Race" in the Thought of Julius Evola



Introduction

Julius Evola (1898–1974) was an Italian philosopher of the far-right, known for his radical traditionalism and his staunch opposition to egalitarian modernity. He has been described as a "fascist intellectual," a "radical traditionalist," and even as "the principal philosopher of the European neo-fascist movement." His ideas blend esoteric philosophy with anti-egalitarian political theories, leaving a significant mark on traditionalist and far-right circles to this day.
In Evola's thought, the concept of "race"—and more specifically, the "white race"—plays a central role, but in a very particular way. Unlike the biological racism dominant in Nazi ideology, Evola developed a spiritual and metaphysical theory of race that must be understood within his broader worldview. This exposition presents his context, his tripartite theory of race (body, soul, and spirit), his interpretation of the white race, his relation and contrast with biological racism (especially Nazism), and the influence of his ideas in later movements.

Philosophical and Political Context

Evola intellectually matured during the interwar period, aligning with the European Conservative Revolution and collaborating with Italian fascism. His worldview was marked by a deep aristocratic elitism and a belief in a perennial spiritual Tradition, opposed to modern egalitarianism. In works like Revolt Against the Modern World (1934), he proposed a cyclical history model, where civilizations decline when they lose their spiritual principles and invert the natural order of castes. He developed the so-called "law of caste regression," where lower castes (merchants, slaves) take power over the spiritually superior ones (warriors, priests). This hierarchical, spiritual worldview defined his racial theories.
Evola critiqued Nazi biological racism for lacking a spiritual dimension. He considered the German völkisch ideology to be too collectivist and materialistic, equating aristocracy with the masses. He sought to provide fascism with a metaphysical soul beyond modern materialism. While he collaborated with fascist racial publications like La Vita Italiana and La Difesa della Razza, he remained critical of purely biological definitions of race.

The Tripartite Theory of Race: Body, Soul, Spirit


In his major racial work, The Synthesis of the Doctrine of Race (1941, also titled The Race of the Spirit), Evola proposed a three-level theory of race:

Race of the body: This is the biological level—physical features, phenotype, and genetics. Evola acknowledged its importance but viewed it as the most superficial layer.
Race of the soul: Refers to psychological and cultural traits, temperaments, attitudes, values, and the collective "style" or personality of a people.

Race of the spirit: The highest and most essential level. This represents the spiritual orientation of a people—its connection to metaphysical, transcendent principles. Evola linked this to traditional initiatory and sacred worldviews.
True racial purity, in Evola's view, required harmony of these three aspects. But such harmony was rare and found primarily among elites. A person with white skin (race of the body) could still lack the soul and spirit of the true white-arian tradition.

The White Race in Evola's Framework


Evola associated the authentic white race with the ancient Indo-European or Aryan tradition. But for him, the term Aryan did not simply mean white in the modern sense—it referred to a spiritual caste, a type of being born to embody light, order, and transcendence. In Sanskrit, ārya refers to someone "twice-born," reborn through initiation.
Thus, the "white race" as Evola defined it was not merely a biological group. It was the spiritual lineage of the Aryan, the Hyperborean, the solar man who lived according to transcendent values. The true white race was a spiritual elite, not the modern European population in general.
Evola even claimed that traditional Aryan castes (e.g., in ancient India) were not pale white, but rather golden-skinned—symbolizing luminosity and spiritual radiance. The term white should be understood symbolically, not literally.
For Evola, the Indo-European aristocracies (e.g., Roman-Germanic nobility) once embodied the white race in all three dimensions. But this race had degenerated. Only a spiritual regeneration could restore its purity. Therefore, being "white" had no value unless accompanied by inner nobility, spiritual authority, and alignment with the primordial Tradition.
Interestingly, Evola allowed for the possibility that non-Europeans could embody Aryan spirit if they were aligned with traditional warrior values. He cited examples of Indian, Arab, or Asian volunteers in the SS as cases of non-white men who were spiritually Aryan. Thus, while racial hierarchy remained, it was based more on spiritual criteria than skin color.
Evola vs. Nazi Biological Racism
Evola sharply criticized Nazi racism for its materialist and collectivist character. He argued that the Nazis reduced the concept of Aryan to a negative definition—"not Jewish or colored"—without understanding its spiritual dimension. He called this a kind of naive zoology and rejected the genetic determinism behind concepts like "100% pure blood."
For Evola, a person's value was not in their genes but in their capacity to embody traditional principles. While he did not oppose biological segregation outright, he rejected the Nazi obsession with blood purity as reductive and plebeian. He insisted that racism should serve to elevate spiritual elites, not to biologically manage populations.
His antisemitism, accordingly, was not strictly ethnic, but spiritual-cultural. He opposed the "Semitic spirit"—which he associated with materialism, egalitarianism, and mercantile values—as the opposite of the Aryan warrior-solar ethos. Though this does not absolve him of racism, it reveals that his framework was esoteric rather than scientific.
He did collaborate with Nazi and Fascist circles during the 1930s and 40s, even meeting Heinrich Himmler and writing racial education materials. But he was never fully integrated into Nazi racial theory, precisely due to his mystical, non-materialist views.

Later Influence of Evola's Ideas


Evola's racial theories influenced post-WWII neo-fascist movements in Italy and beyond. He became a spiritual reference for far-right circles, including the Italian Social Movement (MSI) and radical youth groups. His critique of biological racism and emphasis on spiritual aristocracy appealed to right-wing intellectuals looking for a more "sophisticated" racial theory.
In France, the Nouvelle Droite (New Right) took inspiration from Evola, especially in their culturalist redefinition of identity and rejection of egalitarianism. Though they often distanced themselves from his occultism, they adopted his idea of preserving distinct ethnic and cultural identities based on spiritual heritage.
Evola also inspired esoteric fascist movements, including those influenced by Miguel Serrano and the so-called "esoteric Hitlerism." His vision of a Hyperborean white race and spiritual rebirth remains present in modern alt-right and identitarian discourses. Though marginalized in academia, his books continue to circulate in traditionalist and neo-fascist networks.

Conclusion

For Julius Evola, the white race was not a simple biological fact but a symbolic and spiritual reality. It represented a tradition of order, transcendence, and warrior nobility rooted in the Indo-European Aryan past. His theory of race emphasized inner quality over physical appearance and aligned race with soul and spirit, not just body.
This made his views distinct from Nazi biological racism, but still clearly hierarchical and exclusionary. He advocated for a spiritual elite to rule and warned against the mixing of traditions that would dilute the sacred essence of the white-Aryan heritage. In this way, Evola offered a metaphysical foundation for racial elitism—one that continues to influence certain radical circles today.
Understanding Evola’s ideas does not mean endorsing them. But analyzing his redefinition of the white race helps explain how racial hierarchies can persist through spiritualized and esoteric frameworks, even after the fall of overtly racist ideologies like Nazism.

[9ideon]

Pull hairs from any Animal with fur (or feathers) and their skin is White (pinkish), including Apes etc.

White skin is the base colour of furred (and feathered) animals, therefore (if we believe in either genetic altering or "evolution) white skin is the base colour on Earth.

Brown and other skin types are either from natural "evolution", or from genetic altering of skin, but they all started out as white feckers, feel Racism is idiotic.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Base skin colour is one of those topics that has been obfuscated by "science facts" proving man came out of Africa, and so must have been black skinned.

Just like they tell us modern man is a very young species, having swung out of the trees just a few million years ago.