Is CIVIL WAR in America coming?

[rgray222]

If Trump can stay in office all four years, he may be able to destroy enough of the infrastructure that Biden and his team of progressives who called the shots from 20221- 2025 put in place. Only time will tell. This 7-minute video by Victor David Hanson gives you a good idea of what Trump is up against, and it also explains why Trump is so reviled and hated by those who support a globalist agenda.

Victor David Hanson - What Would It Take to Destroy the Country (7 minutes)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=g7FKLc0Cmec

[Bill Ryan]

[Chip]

I do not sense a “Civil War Energy” in America.
I sense
-A tired civilization
- Emotionally overloaded people
- identity issues/confusion
- A spiritual hunger rising
And at the same time:
-many people turning inward
-seeking calm
-seeking presence
-leaving noise behind
These things are not the beginning of war more so of reorientation.
These things are my perception
Not that we won’t have continued strife
But this strife will bring a profound sickness that I’ve been calling Solomon’s Syndrome
I don’t know or remember where I’ve heard that from, but it will be the result of truth breaking the false reality of many and creating psychosis’s of various natures.
This is what I see.
Chip

[rgray222]

Posted by Chip (here)
I do not sense a “Civil War Energy” in America.
I sense

But this strife will bring a profound sickness that I’ve been calling Solomon’s Syndrome
I don’t know or remember where I’ve heard that from, but it will be the result of truth breaking the false reality of many and creating psychosis’s of various natures.
This is what I see.
Chip

I am inclined to agree with you, but could you elaborate on the statement above.
Thanks
R

[norman]

A criminal investigation is not a conspiracy theory. A crime cleanup is not a civil war.

The whole world is a crime scene, sure, the cleanup is a hell of a challenge, but if the combined resources of the patriots of America, China and Russia can't get it done . . . . . . . . . ?



The Doors - The End


REST IN PEACE SCOTTY MAR 1 21 2026


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[Chip]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Chip (here)
I do not sense a “Civil War Energy” in America.
I sense

But this strife will bring a profound sickness that I’ve been calling Solomon’s Syndrome
I don’t know or remember where I’ve heard that from, but it will be the result of truth breaking the false reality of many and creating psychosis’s of various natures.
This is what I see.
Chip

I am inclined to agree with you, but could you elaborate on the statement above.
Thanks
R

In the biblical story, Solomon is given extraordinary wisdom — the ability to see many sides of every issue, many layers of truth, many competing perspectives.

And yet, over time, that same breadth of vision seems to become a burden. Instead of clarity, it brings fragmentation. Instead of peace, it brings inner division. Too many truths without a unifying center.

I sometimes wonder if modern societies go through something similar.

We now see everything — every injustice, every corruption, every narrative, every contradiction — in real time, all at once. We are highly informed, but often not deeply grounded.

When a culture holds too much complexity without a shared spiritual or moral center, it doesn doesn’t usually collapse into open war. More often it becomes anxious, polarized, suspicious, and internally fragmented.

In that sense, what we may be witnessing is less the beginning of “civil war,” and more a kind of collective Solomon’s Syndrome — a civilization struggling to integrate too much information, too many narratives, and too little inner coherence.

Historically, these periods can precede either breakdown or renewal, depending on whether a society rediscovers meaning, humility, and shared humanity.

I don’t claim this as an explanation — only as a lens that has helped me stay calm and compassionate while observing the current moment.

I’m not sure where I came across this is my reading so I did an internet search and found this:
The term has been used (not formally DSM, but academically and clinically) by:
• Rabbinical psychology traditions
• Jungian analysts
• Leadership psychiatry

To describe:

“The burden of excessive wisdom leading to moral fatigue, identity fragmentation, and spiritual disorientation.”

In Jungian language, this becomes:
• Inflation of consciousness
• Ego overwhelmed by archetypal material
• Loss of center (Self)

[sdv]

The burden of excessive wisdom ...

Rather than excessive wisdom surely the present problem is the burden of excessive information, contradictory, persuasive, fake, etc. , all competing for attention? When you look at two religious societies that draw on 'holy books' for wisdom and guidance, the Jewish and Christian Zionists, they work from the assumption that selective excerpts from holy books can be used in the place of wisdom, and thus the result is mass manipulation rather than wisdom acquired. (I have not mentioned Islam as I do not know enough about their holy books to be able to back up such an assertion, but I suspect that the same can apply to that religion.)

[rgray222]

Posted by Chip (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Chip (here)
I do not sense a “Civil War Energy” in America.
I sense

But this strife will bring a profound sickness that I’ve been calling Solomon’s Syndrome
I don’t know or remember where I’ve heard that from, but it will be the result of truth breaking the false reality of many and creating psychosis’s of various natures.
This is what I see.
Chip

I am inclined to agree with you, but could you elaborate on the statement above.
Thanks
R

In the biblical story, Solomon is given extraordinary wisdom — the ability to see many sides of every issue, many layers of truth, many competing perspectives.

And yet, over time, that same breadth of vision seems to become a burden. Instead of clarity, it brings fragmentation. Instead of peace, it brings inner division. Too many truths without a unifying center.

I sometimes wonder if modern societies go through something similar.

We now see everything — every injustice, every corruption, every narrative, every contradiction — in real time, all at once. We are highly informed, but often not deeply grounded.

When a culture holds too much complexity without a shared spiritual or moral center, it doesn doesn’t usually collapse into open war. More often it becomes anxious, polarized, suspicious, and internally fragmented.

In that sense, what we may be witnessing is less the beginning of “civil war,” and more a kind of collective Solomon’s Syndrome — a civilization struggling to integrate too much information, too many narratives, and too little inner coherence.

Historically, these periods can precede either breakdown or renewal, depending on whether a society rediscovers meaning, humility, and shared humanity.

I don’t claim this as an explanation — only as a lens that has helped me stay calm and compassionate while observing the current moment.

I’m not sure where I came across this is my reading so I did an internet search and found this:
The term has been used (not formally DSM, but academically and clinically) by:
• Rabbinical psychology traditions
• Jungian analysts
• Leadership psychiatry

To describe:

“The burden of excessive wisdom leading to moral fatigue, identity fragmentation, and spiritual disorientation.”

In Jungian language, this becomes:
• Inflation of consciousness
• Ego overwhelmed by archetypal material
• Loss of center (Self)

I believe I understand what you're getting at, excess wisdom leading to moral fatigue. It is like chronic exhaustion from having your core values persistently violated, an attack on your soul where your continuity breaks down and leaves your spirit wounded. Everything is clear but there is just too much of it with no end in sight. I think that that is a fairly good description of how most people feel today.

I can see how this condition could result in collective anxiety and polarization, which could eventually end in conflict. From everything I observe I believe that we are entering a strong period of renewal, not conflict. People are searching for meaning, and most are doing it with a good deal of humility. Not to sound too new age but there appear to be only two ways out: one would be conflict, and the other is to search and find new purpose and meaning to our lives.

Posted by sdv (here)
The burden of excessive wisdom ...

Rather than excessive wisdom surely the present problem is the burden of excessive information, contradictory, persuasive, fake, etc. , all competing for attention? When you look at two religious societies that draw on 'holy books' for wisdom and guidance, the Jewish and Christian Zionists, they work from the assumption that selective excerpts from holy books can be used in the place of wisdom, and thus the result is mass manipulation rather than wisdom acquired. (I have not mentioned Islam as I do not know enough about their holy books to be able to back up such an assertion, but I suspect that the same can apply to that religion.)

SDV, I can easily understand how and why you would use the word information rather than wisdom, but it all comes down to how you process the information that is arriving in unprecedented quantities. If you take the information in and do little with it I can understand how and why that would cause conflict. If you process the information and start thinking about what it all means, why it is arriving in such massive amounts, you might start searching for additional purpose and meaning to your life. This could easily put us on the precipice of war or renewal.

I have believed for some time now that the internet was nothing more than a set of training wheels to prepare the world for Artificial Intelligence. Our lives are about to change in almost every way possible, from health care to governance, from education to job skills and everything in between. The next 18-24 months will be very revealing. This new wisdom can either cause conflict or renewal and awakening. My money is on the latter.

[shaberon]

Posted by Chip (here)
In that sense, what we may be witnessing is less the beginning of “civil war,” and more a kind of collective Solomon’s Syndrome — a civilization struggling to integrate too much information, too many narratives, and too little inner coherence.

This was already achieved so long ago...I don't remember it not being there, just less obvious.

One of the centerings we have suggested is the diametric opposite of what you observe, Building the Temple of Solomon, or to succeed from the same disarray now obvious.


Wrt Islam, yes, you could probably say Ibn Wahhab has to do with a harsh definition of Shirk (heresy) and punishing it. And therefor, "Holy War" in any of those faiths is something that can be dialed up or down, because it is either the challenge faced by Solomon, or petty excuses to dominate.

In America, our current problem is a one-sided infinite loop of the Same Thing, which is what most of us are opposing, although the idea and form of opposition spans the board.

[Chip]

Leon Festinger coined the term “cognitive dissonance” (1957-1964 roughly).

Leon studied what happens when core beliefs collapse in the face of undeniable reality.
His most famous work:
“When Prophecy Fails” (1956 study, published in the 60’s)
He observed when a person identity level belief system is publicly or existentially disproven and cannot be reconciled, the result is not alway a calm revision but more of a panic or rage often consisting of psychotic styled fragmentation.
Not mild discomfort.
Not “I was wrong.”
But “my internal map no longer matches reality and I don’t know who I am.”
This became known as “belief disconfirmation”

Ontological Shock-
(Terence McKenna popularized this in the 80s–90s)

This is essentially:

Belief disconfirmation + ontological insecurity at once

Even though the term is newer(Solomon’s Syndrome), the phenomenon was clearly identified in the 50s–60s, just under different language.

What I mean by Solomon’s Syndrome aligns less with novelty and more with what psychologists like Festinger and McKenna described — belief disconfirmation and ontological breakdown. When foundational narratives collapse faster than inner coherence can adapt, individuals or societies don’t integrate truth — they fracture.

I needed to climb to a higher elevation by taking the religious context out of the picture as the view is much broader up here.
😁

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[sdv]

Data: Raw, unorganized facts. (Note that the LLMs being used are all biased in their programming and give opinions based on the data they are given access to and how they are programmed to process that data. Would you call the conversations on social media data? If data is a collection of facts, what is a fact?)
Information: Contextualized, organized data.
Knowledge: Applied information and understanding.
Wisdom: Evaluated knowledge, focusing on "why" to do something. (Wisdom includes an ethical framework.)

Technology may enhance access to information (processed data), but the cultivation of wisdom remains an inherently human endeavor, requiring introspection, ethical judgment, and deep learning, and human experience.

AI can never acquire wisdom. It is extremely efficient at finding and sorting data, and then processing it using multiple variables. But, it can never experience, it does not face consequences for choices, nor experience spontaneous human emotions, the pain of mistakes made and joy of discovery, sacrifice and windfalls, unforseen accidents and chance meetings ...

Civil war in the USA? Even though the USA has far more guns than people in private ownership, the government has the monopoly on the ability to use force. If mobs of Trump supporters go after groups that he and the group surrounding him have labelled as undesirables/illegals/enemies who stole an election or whatever, then the government will let the violence play out, but a government would always want to control violence, to save itself from being usurped by a revolution. In short, no I do not think there will be civil war, unless you regard the confrontations between ICE and the people as a civil war, or police violently suppressing protests. Americans, do you think the National Guard or any branches of or factions in the armed forces would use violence against the government? The USA, like most countries, has always been able to shut down any violent challenge to government control quite quickly, with a very low death toll.

[shaberon]

Posted by sdv (here)
I do not think there will be civil war, unless you regard the confrontations between ICE and the people as a civil war, or police violently suppressing protests. Americans, do you think the National Guard or any branches of or factions in the armed forces would use violence against the government? The USA, like most countries, has always been able to shut down any violent challenge to government control quite quickly, with a very low death toll.

No, it is unlikely there would be a civil war, meaning an opponent is trying to take over the same government. England has had this; the United States never has.

We have had a failed secession, meaning an opponent tried to remove the authority of Washington. This was horribly costly, ending in Federal forces committing genocide against people it claimed were its own subjects.

The big difference was the Confederacy was a strategy, an ideological platform that spent about twenty years educating the public on what it wanted to do.

We now have nothing like that, but a variety of objections to the status quo.

I am a proponent of repeals and reforms, I would prefer to make the status quo extinct by simply removing its power. Therefor, we would have to finally bring in discussion about the fundamental issues on how things work (like a medical industry run by a for-profit insurance cartel), instead of just the immediate and obvious band-aids (stopping attacks and foreign interference, surveillance and harassment of citizens here).

In that sense, pretty much everything believed about America will crash on the rocks of cognitive dissonance, because everything known is very fake and violent. It fell off the path with the Constitution, which I, at least, am prepared to discuss and re-frame, rather than upholding it like a religion in its own right. That's just me, I have no problem existentially dismissing the whole sordid affair. But this is a bit too heavy to simply be accepted at large, so, to communicate, I have to scale down to whatever level of dissent someone holds.


I don't know anything about federal forces possibly turning coat. I can say this may be one of the only places in the world where the governor can summon a volunteer militia, so, it is legally possible for us to mass and throw out any federal invasion. At most, this would be a tactic, which has nothing to do with leaving or taking over the federal government; it could only be defensive. And, of course, highly unlikely to ever be used that way. Any Sheriff can do basically the same thing, just in a much smaller area.

The counter-movements that call for the breakdown of state and local authority have gone too far in the opposite direction.

Meanwhile, my state has been gerrymandered along lines that would have caused John McCain to be president. This is the lowest level of dirt conceivable. It is a way the establishment -- specifically Republicans -- install themselves into a never-changing bloc. That actually is grounds for a revolution. It means we have a map that has already drawn out the sides for a "civil war" or at least an ideological clash. In actuality it is pure Fascism.

So, that's one for Americans to think about, at heart it is a Fascist country. Chances are, we'll get a few more years of denial and talking circles around it, unless a few specific issues lead to so much anger that it breaks itself.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by sdv (here)
In short, no I do not think there will be civil war

I doubt there will be a civil war in the form of a violent uprising ... I agree with you there.

But United States, like the European Union, risk losing their union, and dissolving more into their constituent states or nations. The legal, economic, cultural, and such bonds of large organizations formed from disparate groups, once primarily managed by those attracted to higher levels of power, become fragile.

[Chip]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
In short, no I do not think there will be civil war

I doubt there will be a civil war in the form of a violent uprising ... I agree with you there.

But United States, like the European Union, risk losing their union, and dissolving more into their constituent states or nations. The legal, economic, cultural, and such bonds of large organizations formed from disparate groups, once primarily managed by those attracted to higher levels of power, become fragile.

I agree with this as well

[shaberon]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
But United States, like the European Union, risk losing their union, and dissolving more into their constituent states or nations.

Jefferson suggested a revolution might be needed every generation.

But it was more like two generations before something similar happened. Might have been too slow of a reaction that dulled it away since then.


Dissolving the Union has at first legal obstructions, because at least some of our states were coaxed to add a "will not secede" clause in their own Constitutions. You can force a referendum but I think the threshold is really high, like 75%.


The least harmful way to do it would be regional blocs based on oil refineries.

I take it as a fact we are stuck with the stuff, and, another one, that the environment is neither infinite nor immune to pollution.

And so what I would have wanted to do is to industrially encourage alternatives to deal with these very plain facts.

Not necessarily to make up rules, or to go to some extreme like "shut down these oil rigs because it's wrong", but to try to find a work-around. That's not what we've done. So, we don't know what happens to the petrodollar, now. These outbursts of violence are supposed to sell Treasuries.

I am also not sure that a cut-out territory is a State in the way the former colonies were, i. e. actually independent. This has issues of re-distribution, if, for example, if California has to support Idaho, why should Idaho get the same two Senate seats.

One would not be terribly surprised to see insurrections or sabotage these days, but probably unlikely to be more than that.

[sdv]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
In short, no I do not think there will be civil war

I doubt there will be a civil war in the form of a violent uprising ... I agree with you there.

But United States, like the European Union, risk losing their union, and dissolving more into their constituent states or nations. The legal, economic, cultural, and such bonds of large organizations formed from disparate groups, once primarily managed by those attracted to higher levels of power, become fragile.

Isn't one of the problems in the US that federal government has too much power and control? You end up with a political class in Washington that thinks it walks on water. The US has become very bad at handling diversity, but it was meant to follow that path. Respect each others' differences, celebrate the diversity, and stick to the basic principles of freedom of religion, etc. And bring the Native Americans into the inner circle and not marginalised on the periphery.

I notice Musk says robots and AI are necessary to save America because falling birth rates mean there are not enough people to do the jobs, but productivity is much lower than in China anyway. The two ideas seem to be at war with each other? How about raising the standard of education and valuing productivity by paying workers better, and guaranteeing basic health care and housing and efficient and reliable transport? I am not suggesting a Mao type of Great Leap Forward, but invest in your people at home and you won't need to replace them with robots and AI? Because, once tech has delivered AI and robots to do most of the work, what do you think is going to happen to the majority of the population waiting for their handouts every month? What drugs will be employed to keep them obedient and no threat to the billionaires?

[Chip]

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
In short, no I do not think there will be civil war

I doubt there will be a civil war in the form of a violent uprising ... I agree with you there.

But United States, like the European Union, risk losing their union, and dissolving more into their constituent states or nations. The legal, economic, cultural, and such bonds of large organizations formed from disparate groups, once primarily managed by those attracted to higher levels of power, become fragile.

Isn't one of the problems in the US that federal government has too much power and control? You end up with a political class in Washington that thinks it walks on water. The US has become very bad at handling diversity, but it was meant to follow that path. Respect each others' differences, celebrate the diversity, and stick to the basic principles of freedom of religion, etc. And bring the Native Americans into the inner circle and not marginalised on the periphery.

I notice Musk says robots and AI are necessary to save America because falling birth rates mean there are not enough people to do the jobs, but productivity is much lower than in China anyway. The two ideas seem to be at war with each other? How about raising the standard of education and valuing productivity by paying workers better, and guaranteeing basic health care and housing and efficient and reliable transport? I am not suggesting a Mao type of Great Leap Forward, but invest in your people at home and you won't need to replace them with robots and AI? Because, once tech has delivered AI and robots to do most of the work, what do you think is going to happen to the majority of the population waiting for their handouts every month? What drugs will be employed to keep them obedient and no threat to the billionaires?

I don’t think we’re heading toward a shooting civil war either.

What feels more likely to me is slow division. Not bullets — just people losing trust in federal power and drifting apart state by state.

Big systems naturally become distant. The bigger Washington gets, the less connected regular people feel. That tension isn’t new — it’s just more visible now.

On AI and robots — I don’t think it’s as simple as “replace workers.” The real issue is who benefits. If tech just makes a few people richer while everyone else loses purpose, that’s a problem. But if it helps people build and create more on their own, it could strengthen things instead of weaken them.

To me the real risk isn’t civil war. It’s loss of trust and loss of shared direction.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by sdv (here)
Isn't one of the problems in the US that federal government has too much power and control? You end up with a political class in Washington that thinks it walks on water.

It seems we agree on that. As happened with the Soviet Union, and as might be happening now with the European Union and the United States of America, the globalists efforts to consolidate power in the hands of power hungry agents seeking to climb the power ladder the globalists define and ultimately control results in centralized governments focused more on "serving the globalists intent to govern the people" (as in "herd" us goyim, frequently to the slaughter or enslavement), rather than in various organizations formed by and seeking to serve various public needs and goals of we the people.

Posted by sdv (here)
... robots and AI ...

As with fire, language, mathematics and various sciences, agriculture, wood and metal working, swords, money, explosives, guns, printing presses, telescopes, trucks, ships, trains, water/steam/combustion engines, radio and television, computers, nuclear power, the internet, money, religions/institutions/organizations/corporations/governments/empires/...

... so also robots and AI

can provide useful means used both

by we the people seeking to serve the needs and goals of ourselves, our fellow humans, and life on this planet, and

by globalists seeking to control the herd (us) for their aims, which aims I would guess have been established by "off-worlders" seeking to colonize earth and our solar system over tens or hundreds of thousands of years.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
As happened with the Soviet Union, and as might be happening now with the European Union and the United States of America ...

I forgot to include the Roman, Vatican and British empires, amongst others, in this list of institutions that became too large, serving purposes not in our best interests, and have collapsed or seem on the way to collapsing.

I would like to think that the United States can reform and return to serving its people, rather than serving those (people?) seeking global power ... but it's too early for me to know if that hope is realistic, or fantasy.

[onawah]

Civil war in the US would be a possibility if the CCP has anything to do with it.

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