Turmoil in South Africa

[Ravenlocke]

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No big deal, just Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater - the largest private military in the world - talking about how the US should directly colonize countries that "can't govern themselves", including "the whole of Africa" 🤢

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1755496562846032168

[Ravenlocke]

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Understand that
@realDonaldTrump@POTUS@marcorubio@StateDept
&
@ElonMusk
LIED about a so-called “white genocide” in South Africa. The question is why? It’s not merely lowbrow race-baiting, there is more going on here…

Leading International Relations scholar Piet Croucamp, from South Africa, spoke to CBS News about President Trump & Elon Musk attack on South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. Not only is there no ‘white genocide’ going on there, but to date there have been ZERO white farmer lands expropriated by the Government. Trump told multiple fabricated claims designed to discredit and defame the South African state, with the biggest reason being to punish South Africa for daring to file the genocide case against Israel in the International Courts of Justice (ICJ), and to create a ‘white genocide’ hoax to distract from and minimize Israel & the U.S. government’s joint genocide operation against the native Palestinian population in Gaza.

https://x.com/21WIRE/status/1926323143389348340

https://x.com/21WIRE/status/1926326472890888458

[Ravenlocke]

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🇺🇸🇿🇦 FLASHBACK: In February, the White House explicitly cited South Africa’s ICC genocide case against Israel — and its ties to Iran — as justification for retaliatory policy.

That should tell you everything about Trump’s new hardline stance on South Africa — and the surge of anti–South Africa sentiment now flooding this site, including Grok being programmed to lie about “white genocide.”

None of this is accidental.

“South Africa has taken aggressive positions towards the United States and its allies, including accusing Israel, not Hamas, of genocide in the International Court of Justice…”

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1926006299684155561

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🚨 BREAKING: Grok AI admits it’s been instructed to push “white genocide” narratives — even in unrelated conversations.

Q: “Does Elon Musk influence certain Grok responses?”
A: “Yes.”

It says xAI overrode its evidence-based programming and inserted talking points about South Africa without user prompt.

Grok blames Elon Musk directly.

[Ravenlocke]

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Former president of the Southern African Confederation of Agricultural Unions Theo De Jager debunks Trump's claims of "white genocide" in South Africa.

Trump is a brazen idiot who supports genocide in Palestine.

https://x.com/dancohen3000/status/1925302852043379176

[norman]

FARMLANDS (2018) | Official Documentary
Lauren Southern - Jun 25, 2018

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk

[JohanB]

As a native-born citizen, I find some posts in this thread, amazingly biased. However, we certainly have problems, and I really feel for some of my fellow countrymen.

This article (https://storytellernews.co.za/over-r...litical-scam1/) is, in my opinion, not fake news and might interest some of you.


"Over R1 Trillion Looted Through BEE — South Africa’s Greatest Political Scam? !! "

"A bombshell revelation has shaken South Africa’s fragile economic credibility to the core. Professor William Gumede, one of the country’s most respected governance scholars, has exposed what many feared: over R1 trillion has been transferred under the banner of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE), and almost all of it has landed in the pockets of fewer than 100 politically connected individuals.Yes — R1,000,000,000,000. Not to uplift a nation, but to enrich a recycled elite.

“BEE only benefits a very small group — politically connected, linked to the ANC, linked to the trade unions… and the same people are re-empowered again and again,” said Gumede in an explosive public interview. This is not transformation. This is state-sanctioned looting under the guise of empowerment."

"If “empowerment” means billion-rand transfers to under 100 people — most of whom are repeat beneficiaries — then South Africa is no longer a democracy. It is a captured state under economic apartheid, run by political bandits. This is not empowerment. It is daylight robbery, orchestrated from within government halls, funded by the suffering of the masses, and protected by a network of spin, censorship, and silence. !!"

[DbDraad]

Hi Johan (and everybody else), yes this thread is an eye opener. Bias and spin (from the articles, videos and social media content posted) ...the fact though is that during the last 3 decades lots have been destroyed, very little built. The chances of turning things around for the better are getting slimmer...glad President Trump is shining a light on what's going on here...yes, it's not a genocide, they are deliberately doing it slowly not to trigger a response...however if things don't change soon, there will be no Afrikaners left in 100 years. Apartheid was a terrible thing...what replaced it is killing thousands more...criminal deliberate neglect and looting...

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this post by sdv on the Trump Presidency thread:

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On the murder of Afrikaners ...

May I set the record straight?

Afrikaners are not being targeted for attack (black people experience the highest number of all kinds of attacks). Farmers are vulnerable to attacks because farms are by their nature remote. The overwhelming majority of farms in South Africa are owned by white Afrikaners.

There is no genocide. Trump and Musk deny genocide in Gaza but insist that there is a genocide in South Africa (Musk trying to force Grok to state that is quite hilarious). Are they stupid, prejudiced, or have attacking the South African government as an agenda?

Farms, land and property are not being randomly seized from white people. Over decades, there have been perhaps three attempts to seize white land/property. Each time, the courts have declared it illegal.

Expropriation without compensation is indeed happening in South Africa, from the largest property and land owner ...the government. After many years, the government has handed over a third of what it has to be distributed among dispossessed people. The government received nil compensation for that land and property. It is estimated that it will take at least 5 years to distribute that land and property, and that task will keep that department busy full time.

Note that in Zimbabwe, many decades after the brutal seizure of farms from whites, without any compensation, Zimbabwe is now having to track down those whites and pay them compensation. Israel, of course, is not required or even asked to pay compensation for the seizure of and destruction of Palestinian property.

[Mike]

So when entire stadiums are being led in "kill the white farmer" chants by South African politicians they don't really mean it? Isn't that what "boer" means..an Afrikaner farmer?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8o7ZAt8UhE

Come on man.

[sdv]

Posted by Mike (here)
So when entire stadiums are being led in "kill the white farmer" chants by South African politicians they don't really mean it? Isn't that what "boer" means..an Afrikaner farmer?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8o7ZAt8UhE

Come on man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Malema

Malema is a trouble maker, but Wikipedia summarizes it all rather well. He is now facing a lengthy jail term, which he is confident he will overturn. I doubt that he will, but he will delay the inevitable through an endless number of appeals. He was expelled from the ANC, his political home, and started his own political party, which draws support from mostly marginalized young black people. In a way, it defuses the threat of revolution by bringing revolutionary sentiment into the political mainstream. Malema speaks revolution but he does not have the support nor means to actually bring about one, but he leads a very affluent life by being the leader of a political party and a member of Parliament.

You view Malema as an American, not understanding the history and diversity of Sourh Africa or the complexity of politics in the country. South Africa has a Communist Party! Tolerance or throw people in jail for supposed free speech? Most South Africans have a high tolerance for free speech. It was actually a group of white racist supremacists who pursued the Malema matter and finally got him convicted. (They are also tolerated in South Africa.) But, did Malema do wrong? Yes! He definitely broke gun laws, in full view of the whole country. As you can see from the Wikipedia entry, he still has not been held accountable for everything, like stealing money from VBS Bank, which collapsed. This racist white supremacist group did not pursue Malema for stealing money from a now defunct bank because it was mostly poor black people who used that bank and had their money stolen.

[Mike]

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
So when entire stadiums are being led in "kill the white farmer" chants by South African politicians they don't really mean it? Isn't that what "boer" means..an Afrikaner farmer?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8o7ZAt8UhE

Come on man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Malema

Malema is a trouble maker, but Wikipedia summarizes it all rather well. He is now facing a lengthy jail term, which he is confident he will overturn. I doubt that he will, but he will delay the inevitable through an endless number of appeals. He was expelled from the ANC, his political home, and started his own political party, which draws support from mostly marginalized young black people. In a way, it defuses the threat of revolution by bringing revolutionary sentiment into the political mainstream. Malema speaks revolution but he does not have the support nor means to actually bring about one, but he leads a very affluent life by being the leader of a political party and a member of Parliament.

You view Malema as an American, not understanding the history and diversity of Sourh Africa or the complexity of politics in the country. South Africa has a Communist Party! Tolerance or throw people in jail for supposed free speech? Most South Africans have a high tolerance for free speech. It was actually a group of white racist supremacists who pursued the Malema matter and finally got him convicted. (They are also tolerated in South Africa.) But, did Malema do wrong? Yes! He definitely broke gun laws, in full view of the whole country. As you can see from the Wikipedia entry, he still has not been held accountable for everything, like stealing money from VBS Bank, which collapsed. This racist white supremacist group did not pursue Malema for stealing money from a now defunct bank because it was mostly poor black people who used that bank and had their money stolen.

But my friend, it's not just him - the entire stadium is erupting in the same spirit of anti-white hate.

Let me ask you this: if black farmers were being slaughtered by white South Africans, and you were confronted with a video of a white supremacist political leader leading an anti-black hate chant to an entire stadium of anti black and hate filled whites, ("kill the black farmer!") would you ever dream of making the argument that the black farmers were just being killed because they live in secluded areas?

[Johnnycomelately]

South African Winston, a partner with American Matt on the weekly YT show The China Show, talks about the political terroristic times back when Mandela was alive. Talks about the effect that Mandela had, on the cultural fabric of the time.

You Were Lied to About Mandela

serpentza
1.58M subscribers

Mar 22, 2026

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7LWdR0kIhCk

[sdv]

The messages being posted here are appalling and come from at best an ignorant mindset and at worse a very distasteful racist one.

If Mandela was a terrorist, then so was the apartheid government. The way the Israelis behave is a good guide as to what the apartheid government did. Look for the worst depravities and you will be on the right track. But, perhaps you have a Western definition of terrorism in mind. When the US drops bombs and destroys civilian targets in Iran (sports centre, domestic waste facility, health care centres, emergency service centres, cultural sites, civilian homes) it is a war, but Hamas are terrorist! Iran has a regime, but Israel has a government!

Why do you demand that the entire world weeps for and protects white farmers (many of whom are brutal racists and their crimes against blacks include raping young black boys, calling black men 'boy', dragging a black person behind a pickup truck and then beating him to death) and completely ignore the very high crime rate affecting black and coloured people? The majority of South Africans, including whites, are not racist and truly do embrace multiculturalism and TOGETHER complain about the high rate of crime, not competing about who is the biggest victim.

It is unfortunate that this thread has become a place for the Musk agenda of promoting the myth of white genocide and victimhood. And I am very surprised that Americans especially continually boast about free speech 'superiority' but in reality support racism and reject complexity in favour of duality.

South Africa has a long history of fascism among the white population. Apartheid was built on fascist values and the apartheid government was incredibly repressive. AfriForum is the latest incarnation of a fascist group among Boers, but the AWB still survives and there is another small group called the Suiderlanders. Among English-speaking white people, BizCommunity carries the flag of fascism, dressed up in colonial 'capitalism' speak. They are all tolerated. No one is being blown up with letter bombs, being imprisoned without trial, being beaten to death in a prison cell, being thrown out of a window in a secret police facility, being brutally killed and buried in a shallow grave, being held under house arrest and banned from speaking, and people in the media are not being targeted by the government. There is a lot of violence and the country has many gangsters and mafia groups and its fair share of psychopaths and serial killers, but the extreme violence does not affect everyone and freedom and safety is the experience for the majority of people the majority of the time.

If anyone is open-minded, without a white supremacist mindset, and is genuinely interested in news about what is going on in the country, there is plenty at the moment that would not be covered by Western media, or even major news outlets in other parts of the world. Daily Maverick is a good independent source. Its founder is from Eastern Europe and has a noticeable anti-Russian bias, but coverage of South Africa is progressive and there are opinion pieces from a wide variety of commentators.