The Muslim Problem

[rgray222]

Posted by Losus4 (here)
Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

[SilentFeathers]

AUSTRALIANS, Your problem isn’t the firearms. I promise.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/

We seriously are in big trouble, the attacks have started and will only escalate and get worse. It's in their Holy Book and they believe they are justified in slaughtering all non Muslims.

For non Muslims it is beyond the point of wishful thinking and pretending that they do not want you dead. Even most of the Muslims that do not engage in violence and murder will celebrate the deaths of any non Muslim or infidel. The jihadist martyr becomes a hero and praised for the cold blooded murder(s).

What makes Muslims even more dangerous and deadly, is when the demonic Globalists use them as a weapon and transport them by the 100's of thousands or millions to non Muslim western nations, and populate them right in the middle of the people that they despise, hate, and want to kill.

In the eyes of many (most) Muslims, non Muslims are less than human and don't deserve to exist.

What has happened, in especially the last decade is not a migration or immigration problem, it is an invasion problem, by design. Those that orchestrated this "act of war" knew damn well that the Muslim culture will not assimilate in these western nations and only chaos and death would come of it. It's a recipe for disaster, and will become a catastrophe likely beyond imagination.

It's past the point of no return in my opinion and it's only a matter of time before it becomes rather catastrophic. Humanity has reached a tipping point.

[AutumnW]

All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.

[AutumnW]

Posted by s7e6e (here)
Although I do not encourage war, I understand it. Men against men, fighting for what they stand for, even if the reasons get distorted in time.
But shooting innocent people, is despicable. And that's what happens when we import terrorists and allow these animals to thrive.

So is dropping bombs on them. Kills many more.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.

Jess I have plenty of sympathy for anyone killed anywhere, including Gazans.

What I don't care about and refuse to emotionally invest in is the conflict itself, which is for one tiny slice of land in the middle of nowhere, and which has been in dispute for ages and hasn't shown any signs of resolving itself.

I was also highlighting (in the post you're referring to) the hypocrisy of everyone obsessing over this one conflict while ignoring most of the other tragedy going on in the world, all while congratulating themselves on their virtue and wagging a finger at anyone else who refused to join this little charade, which is what Dennis was doing. I found and still find all the alleged "compassion" for Gazans to be quite suspect.

I was led to believe the interest in Gaza was sincere and heartfelt, not politically motivated, not the result of an obsessive news cycle, and not the result of a parasetized populace conditioned to value virtue signaling above all else. We're just good caring people, right? Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why??

The entire point of the post you're referring to (in Dennis' thread) is not to withhold sympathy and compassion, but to offer it to the people closest to you first and foremost, and then your immediate community, then your country, and if there's anything left perhaps then you could extend it further. I was making the point that emotion and energy are the same thing, and you have to use it judiciously.

I'm of the opinion that people often deliberately obsess over global conflicts they can do nothing about rather than the things they can do something about because the things they can do something about would actually require them to act in the real world. Writing endless maudlin posts about Gaza is a far more romantic and public display of virtue, and why physically work for those pats on the head when you can just write a social media post or two and be applauded by hundreds or thousands of anonymous twitter handles?

Your comment about the murdered Jews in Australia is demented. I knew Shaberon was cracked, but I didn't think you'd go that low.

You are in a state of profound denial about the Muslim problem. I don't even know where to begin to respond to the rest of your post.

[Losus4]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Losus4 (here)
Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

That was f'in perfect Losus4. Thanks for that.

One spiritual attribute we all tend to neglect is an ability to fight. An unwillingness to fight is often mistaken for some kind of advanced mentality but it's usually just apathy at best and cowardice at worst.

I think even God himself will lose respect for you if you're unwilling to defend yourself when blatantly attacked. Fighting is every bit a spiritual act when justified as feeding the homeless, or comforting someone after the loss of a loved one.

Spiritual people must be warriors, and if you're sitting at home and doing nothing about the invasion of your country, all while convincing yourself it's the right thing to do, you deserve to lose it.

In the immortal words of President Trump after he was shot, "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!"

Every word true Mike. Fighting is not the actions of the primitive but something noble and essential. Lose the will to fight (whether physically or culturally) and you will be purged from the gene pool, and as you say, will deserve it.

[Losus4]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Losus4 (here)
Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

All of that is possible without losing the will to fight if and when the need arises. Shaolin monks posses those qualities but are not savages. It's about keeping the Yin/Yang in balance. The job of the Yang is to expand, repel, ward off... i.e fight. The West's problem is that it has become 100% Yin-polarised due to feminism and its demonisation of the masculine. I explain this in full in chapter "The War on Masculinity" in my book linked in sig,

[shaberon]

Posted by Mike (here)
It's a mistake to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity. Yes they are all Abrahamic but only 2 of those religions are western (Christianity and Judaism). And only one is both political and proselytizing (Islam). Actually I would argue that Islam is every bit a political movement as it is a religion. Also, Christianity and Judaism exist in almost exclusively free and democratic countries, while Islam exists in exclusively authoritarian countries. That's not a coincidence. Apples and oranges.

Palestine is in the west?

Arabia is more or less south of Palestine, not really east of it.


Islam may be a social reform or resistance against Judaic Kings. That is likely. The mission of Christianity is to eliminate Judaism by ideological subversion. Islam may have in mind proselytizing "pagan tribes" rather than Jews.

Monarchist parties in Germany tend to use the title Christian. All three of these religions are open to converts. I don't sense the accuracy of the labels.

You're right, Islam isn't taking over China or India. It's taking over the west first by design. Globalists will naturally begin by destroying countries that value their freedom and personal liberties; countries that have willfully forfeited their personal liberties have already done all their work for them.

Islam already took over India. I consider myself as involved with re-construction from devastation inflicted in the 1,200s. Curiously, the aggressor was not referred to by religion but as Turks. But, yes, it was Islamic Caliphate for a few centuries. Apparently you can get over that. Now we have British-drawn lines to ratchet the tension.

Atm Islam is infecting the west thru ideological subversion, not jihadi attacks. But just wait. When the time is ripe, that'll come too.

After doing whatever one wishes with places like Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you expect?


It's a known risk for Netanyahu to produce the most hated regime in the world because the Diaspora is vulnerable even in the irrational sense, if it is lone gunmen targeting Jews just by association. He knows this. He takes the risk. I'm not aware of that many "pogrom" style attacks in recent years until the past two, which, already happened one time in Australia and Iran was blamed with no evidence and the story disappeared.

This last one happened and I posted something intended to prevent spin one way or the other, and then I see over here this wall of polarity.


Here's the receiving end in Lebanon:

Narratives, Incidents, and the Expansion of Justification

Military pressure is reinforced by narrative pressure. Incidents far from the region, such as the attack in Sydney, are rapidly absorbed into a global discourse that conflates resistance, regional actors, and acts of violence under the banner of extremism and antisemitism.

This framing serves a strategic purpose. It widens the space for preemptive action and dulls sensitivity to violations of sovereignty. When Lebanon or Syria is framed as part of a global threat continuum, escalation becomes easier to justify, and resistance becomes harder to defend politically.

The result is a steady erosion of legitimacy-not through direct confrontation, but through narrative conditioning.

Some Lebanese person is far more likely to pay the price of these mere ideas and this has already been happening for a long time. While I think it is unfortunate that a few more civilians have been murdered as some by-product of bad ideas, that sympathy does not take the form of divisiveness. When an incident happens, I try to wait for the dust to settle to try to find what objectively happened, none of which has been posted. There seems to be a mission based from a statement about Muslim perpetrators.

Western countries have a lot of mostly self-created problems.

As a person who doesn't perceive an Islamic threat, or, much of any threat except the "creation" that goes on by our system, I'm trying to see why this labeling thing would work. These are complex issues that involve all sorts of funded organizations and individuals acting under their own devices. We have a reflection of what certain authorities once called:


The Jewish Problem


I don't think we're supposed to label a "type of person" as a thing to be "othered".

You can do it to a type of mentality, such as Zionism, which is optional or a decision, and similarly a "Caliphate" by some armed gang is opposable. It's a radical statement to bring in something like, oppose or contain Muslim people, and since I do not have this conclusion, it's an opportunity to explain it better. How do you get the swing vote, so to speak.

[Rizotto]

One major clue of false flag is that Netanyahu is trying to claim that Iran is behind the Bondi massacre, although the perpetrators were identified as ISIS supporters.
Fact is, Iran is a mortal enemy of ISIS. The creator of ISIS is the CIA-Israel axis of terrorism. In fact, Israel provided material support to ISIS during the Syria conflict.

Here’s How You Know Australian Mass Shooting Was A FALSE FLAG!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=teqZo30kvLI

[Agape]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
AUSTRALIANS, Your problem isn’t the firearms. I promise.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/

We seriously are in big trouble, the attacks have started and will only escalate and get worse. It's in their Holy Book and they believe they are justified in slaughtering all non Muslims.

For non Muslims it is beyond the point of wishful thinking and pretending that they do not want you dead. Even most of the Muslims that do not engage in violence and murder will celebrate the deaths of any non Muslim or infidel. The jihadist martyr becomes a hero and praised for the cold blooded murder(s).

What makes Muslims even more dangerous and deadly, is when the demonic Globalists use them as a weapon and transport them by the 100's of thousands or millions to non Muslim western nations, and populate them right in the middle of the people that they despise, hate, and want to kill.

In the eyes of many (most) Muslims, non Muslims are less than human and don't deserve to exist.

What has happened, in especially the last decade is not a migration or immigration problem, it is an invasion problem, by design. Those that orchestrated this "act of war" knew damn well that the Muslim culture will not assimilate in these western nations and only chaos and death would come of it. It's a recipe for disaster, and will become a catastrophe likely beyond imagination.

It's past the point of no return in my opinion and it's only a matter of time before it becomes rather catastrophic. Humanity has reached a tipping point.

Silent Feathers, I can assure you , "they don't". What you have summed above sounds pretty much the same like the Panflet passed through intellectuals 100 years ago called " the Protocols of Elders of Zion" that alleged EXACTLY the same thing about the Jewish people.

It too was a part of what we call now "psy-ops" and obviously influenced intellectual elite in Europe, their wives, colleagues and friends that "those people" are dirty ( who knows what they eat), look at the rest of humans as goyim , the lower animal like humans incapable of higher spiritual insight who are better to serve them , especially on Shabbat days.

Compared to orthodox Jewish religiosity , most Muslim people I know treat all their friends equally well , regardless their origin or faith, they mostly qualify self as "mumins" , "the good people" , not "people of God", or "Angels in disguise" like many cultures and sects do,
but say their objective is simple as being good human being while here.

Most want to live in peace and do not support terrorism.


To sum this well , we don't know who programs these vulnerable individuals worldwide including children, university students, teachers and so forth to change their mind over fortnight and unemotionally eliminate or try to, lots of other people.

Someone obviously planned them to do so,
on this specific place and ocassion and someone has got to pay for it ,
with their lives.

So eventually this global mafia has to be stopped not encouraged.



⛄

[Rizotto]

There is a viral internet meme these days, it goes along the line of 'The zionists' most successful strategy was to convince many in the west that arabs or muslims are violent extremists to be feared and mistrusted'.

Here's a very interesting analysis of how and why this psyop was instigated.

"Professor Jiang Xueqin examines the Bondi Beach event through the lenses of game theory, media dynamics, state behavior, and historical precedent. Rather than focusing on individual guilt or surface-level outrage, this analysis asks a more difficult question:
Why did this event unfold the way it did — and who benefits from how it is being framed?"

Who is behind The Bondi Beach Tragedy and Why It Happened | Prof Jiang Xueqin

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ke0nsy70khE

[norman]

Posted by edina (here)

Posted by edina (here)
Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

In thinking about what I wrote here, the bolded bit above, I'd like to self-correct a bit, or maybe clarify. In terms of who "they" were, that wanted "technological fiefdom, or feudalism". It may not have been the people Stephen/Atticus/Charles was associated with, but rather, descendants of a lineage that the people he was associated with may have been trying to counterbalance. Is that an accurate term? Counterbalance.

I remember as a kid, a young adult, and even now, in my sixties, feeling frustrated with the use of the word "they" when it wasn't clear who "they" were being referred to.

Anyway, someone of some faction, operating at levels we can hardly imagine, seemed to have a keen interest in this outcome.

When Sarah Adams talks about the Homeland Terrorist plot, she sometimes mentions some elements of this have been in planning since the 90's. I think this can be a bit surprising to people.

Later, in the Sarah Adams thread, I will share the intro to one of the books I'm reading by Jesse Petrilla, "If It Takes A Thousand Years". There is a patient, long-term planning involved in this vision for a global Islam Caliphate. It could come from the sense of time, or rather timelessness, as described in the book, or from an entity, group, or force that has a long view of time?

This is probably off-topic, but I wanted to clarify my meaning.

Looks like Lara Logan agrees with you, and she should know.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xk5y2NjjTiU

You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.

[rgray222]

Posted by Losus4 (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Losus4 (here)
Nature has a way of correcting itself. When a people or nation become weak (as white/Europeans have across the globe due to feminisation) a challenge or existential threat will arise to try to correct that imbalance. Since Europeans have lost the will and ability to fight, nature has engineered circumstances that will force us to learn to fight again. That threat is multiculturalism. We are being tested. We fight or we become extinct. It's that simple. All species must maintain an ability to fight for its own survival. If it loses that instinct then nature neither wants nor needs that species. Europeans have made the mistake of believing that being civilised is to be "above" fighting; that fighting is what primitive people do. Mistaking weakness for being enlightened is the crux of our problem. The best thing we as individuals can do is work daily to improve our health and fitness. A warrior's body is a warrior's mind.

I agree with everything you have said, but at some point, man must transcend the destructive cycle of war and embrace the virtues of compassion, wisdom and altruism. If we fail to recognize the importance of these virtues and continue down a path of aggression, war, conflict and self-interest, our inability to evolve morally and intellectually will lead to our self-destruction. At some point (much closer than we think), we are going to have to show our strength and have the courage to make the right choice.

All of that is possible without losing the will to fight if and when the need arises. Shaolin monks posses those qualities but are not savages. It's about keeping the Yin/Yang in balance. The job of the Yang is to expand, repel, ward off... i.e fight. The West's problem is that it has become 100% Yin-polarised due to feminism and its demonisation of the masculine. I explain this in full in chapter "The War on Masculinity" in my book linked in sig,

You're right, that is why I specifically chose the words strength and courage in the last sentence of my post. Hope that makes sense.

[Agape]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by edina (here)

Posted by edina (here)
Years ago, when Atticus was here as Charles. He mentioned often of how "they", meaning the people who he once worked for, wanted technological feudalism. Nowadays, you can hear Katherine Austin Fitts mention this, as well.

It's my opinion that Sharia Law is the means by which feudalism takes hold. To understand Islam, one must be willing to also give serious consideration to the role of the vision for a global Islam Caliphate drives many people within the culture and how the introduction of Sharia Law into communities plays into that.

In thinking about what I wrote here, the bolded bit above, I'd like to self-correct a bit, or maybe clarify. In terms of who "they" were, that wanted "technological fiefdom, or feudalism". It may not have been the people Stephen/Atticus/Charles was associated with, but rather, descendants of a lineage that the people he was associated with may have been trying to counterbalance. Is that an accurate term? Counterbalance.

I remember as a kid, a young adult, and even now, in my sixties, feeling frustrated with the use of the word "they" when it wasn't clear who "they" were being referred to.

Anyway, someone of some faction, operating at levels we can hardly imagine, seemed to have a keen interest in this outcome.

When Sarah Adams talks about the Homeland Terrorist plot, she sometimes mentions some elements of this have been in planning since the 90's. I think this can be a bit surprising to people.

Later, in the Sarah Adams thread, I will share the intro to one of the books I'm reading by Jesse Petrilla, "If It Takes A Thousand Years". There is a patient, long-term planning involved in this vision for a global Islam Caliphate. It could come from the sense of time, or rather timelessness, as described in the book, or from an entity, group, or force that has a long view of time?

This is probably off-topic, but I wanted to clarify my meaning.

Looks like Lara Logan agrees with you, and she should know.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xk5y2NjjTiU

You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.

But how comes they are neither the first or the only ones to believe in re-creating the Kingdom of Heavens on Earth.

There are countless names for this attempt to create "Advanced Civilisation" on Earth ,

there's always been.

Shambhala, the Zion , Planet X, the Kochab, the 4th Reich for Germans and the great Russian prophecy.

There is no fault "in the scripture" .

No scripture claims that we live in paradise or that we can create something of it that it isn't , before the dawn of the Next Cycle.

The Planet fueled by foolish human activity of last 10 000 years, the post glacial era, much time wasted on leisure parties , is bound to recycle this ecosystem at some point in order to cleanse and enable new evolutionary epoch.
While we don't know exactly when is it going to start , it's a geologically ( rather than politically ) predictable future.

The government's will never acknowledged that "till the end of the days" in order to prevent panic and/or mass human migration.

The fault is clear as a day, misinterpretation of all the Testaments, the Vedas, the Quran and so forth.

Who did suggest to build "Paradise of the righteous" on Earth ?

Read your books in original. It was not the Talmud, or any other of "Them".

They all suggest "do not try to build castle on the sand". Do not be attached to this human paradigm. Don't try to "sort it out".

Our body and mind are sovereign , complete under the Stars of Infinity .

It's His Garden and we are the Goat and the Gardener.


We are through the "beginning of the end " of our days on Earth and true ..it may take another thousand years to get there but it's because of the ginormous energy increase in planetary atmosphere we may blow it up much faster .

To the bigger Universe we are quite unimportant. In our foolishness and self belief, we destroy much of the rest of life forms here, eat them, subjugate them , call them idiots .

The Life so much bigger than we are is waiting I am afraid, can not wait till we are quite gone , washed to the sea.

Any other evolving species "in queue" can take our turn.

The dolphins, the cats, the dogs , even roaches.

So what does the scripture say again on the topic ,

don't worry about the End, no there is nothing we can do about it ,

the righteous will be saved.

Civilisation will restart self as completely new advanced model.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G0np-5xbkus

What "they " all also know is that current humanity is vulnerable and in parts dying of vitality.

While we invest lots of research and know how to slowing the process we can never completely stop it.

People on the "ideological top" however actively preach various forms of utopia to the newly waking masses, all from socialistic paradise, multinational religious states to.. immortality.

Joe Public the Fascinated , growing short of patience.

Android robot in Buddhist Zen Temple recites the scripture for us .

Agamemnon the mechanical statue of, standing humbly in the corner , performing the sward sharp cutting gesture , slaying the head of Medusae.


Like in a museum of technical toys .


Bottom line, the Prophet has advised against Takeover.


Namaskaram

🙏

[norman]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by norman (here)
You can't integrate that. Wherever that turns up, it's an invasion and nothing more or less.

But how comes they are neither the first or the only ones to believe in re-creating the Kingdom of Heavens on Earth.

There are countless names for this attempt to create "Advanced Civilisation" on Earth ,

I know at best I'll get no thanks for saying this, but I think Mohamedism was a crock religion from the get go because they were clandestinely conjured up to do the dirty work of slaughtering the people who knew what Jesus was really all about, so a snake cult could get away with launching a fake Christian religion. That was the Roman snake cult's brilliant idea to ward off the encroaching true Christian threat to their crumbling high maintenance empire, convert it to a soft power stealth empire of religiosity and other mind control tricks. They killed two birds with one stone. Pure evil genius.

I've heard two different versions of how Mohamed popped up. One version included him having a child wife. That smells like a useful red herring but could be based on a later mistress/plaything. The other version is that he married a rich Roman trader woman who set him up as the Roman's perfect solution to their "Jesus" problem. That's the version that makes a lot of sense to me nowadays as I've gathered together a lot of information into which it fits perfectly.


Here's the version that makes sense to me.

The founding and possible purpose of Mohammedism.mp3
https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l


If this story is the real one it tells me that they are still performing the same function 15 hundred years later but with extra higher ranks of co conspirators with the satanic brotherhood.


Should I now see myself out. I've just slagged off two religions in one go I haven't even started on the other varieties.

[edina]

Posted by norman (here)


I know at best I'll get no thanks for saying this, but I think Mohamedism was a crock religion from the get go because they were clandestinely conjured up to do the dirty work of slaughtering the people who knew what Jesus was really all about, so a snake cult could get away with launching a fake Christian religion. That was the Roman snake cult's brilliant idea to ward off the encroaching true Christian threat to their crumbling high maintenance empire, convert it to a soft power stealth empire of religiosity and other mind control tricks. They killed two birds with one stone. Pure evil genius.

I've heard two different versions of how Mohamed popped up. One version included him having a child wife. That smells like a useful red herring but could be based on a later mistress/plaything. The other version is that he married a rich Roman trader woman who set him up as the Roman's perfect solution to their "Jesus" problem. That's the version that makes a lot of sense to me nowadays as I've gathered together a lot of information into which it fits perfectly.


Here's the version that makes sense to me.

The founding and possible purpose of Mohammedism.mp3
https://app.box.com/s/8z3gn2lil76u3f5e0iwef6q9en1fci8l


If this story is the real one it tells me that they are still performing the same function 15 hundred years later but with extra higher ranks of co conspirators with the satanic brotherhood.


Should I now see myself out. I've just slagged off two religions in one go I haven't even started on the other varieties.

Well norm, you've got a thanks from me.

In terms of whether Islam is a crock religion, I watched several videos earlier this year where Jay Smith dismantles the keystones of Islam on a more science based approach.

I went through the comparative study of religions in stages. In my 20's I was curious as to who the 'Mahdi' was because I had read Dune and it got me thinking...

One of the things I noticed is that each of the three Abrahamic religions told essentially the same "end times" story with the twist that they end up being the "chosen" people.

The Messiah for Judiasm
The Mahdi for Islam
and the Second Coming of Jesus for Christians.

In the Dune books, the Bene Gesserit pre-seed myths into the cultures of planets that can be used to their advantage, if needed. To me, this looked like the "end times" narrative was like someone pre-seeding a myth across and embedded within the Abrahamic religions for some future potential purpose. Sort of like someone hedging their bets.

I don't really see them as prophetic, but more as social engineering.

I also noticed a shift in Muhammed's messaging when he traveled in the desert from Medina to Mecca. It became less focused on peace, and more focused on war and fighting. At the time, I wondered if his original messaging had been high-jacked with the encounter of a being at that time. There is a long history of Djinn in that region.

Earlier this year, I watched a few talks given by Jay Smith, he discusses the modern research into the Quran, Mecca, and Muhammed that essentially dismantles the main tenets of Islam. And complements the information you shared in your audio. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the timelines don't add up, geography doesn't support the Muhammad story, and that it was actually written centuries later than claimed.

I'll leave a link here for people who would like to take a closer, hopefully more neutral, look at the research he shares. Fair warning, Jay Smith is a Christian missionary, some people may be offended by that. But the research presented is religion neutral. And I think would be quite useful to have in one's knowledge bank.

It may not immediately address the concern of what Mike described as the Muslim problem. The first step is have genuine authentic conversations. If the conversation gets shut down via social judgement and pressures, people cannot move forward.

Also, I think to address the overarching concern, it's helpful to understand how FOG, affects people, (Fear, Obligation, Guilt).

FOG has always played a role in religious control of peoples. But as I'm learning more and more about it's role in the current iteration of jihadi thinking, I can see how it's been amplified, almost like a psyop on the Muslim peoples, making support of jihad an obligation and so on.

[Mike]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
It's a mistake to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity. Yes they are all Abrahamic but only 2 of those religions are western (Christianity and Judaism). And only one is both political and proselytizing (Islam). Actually I would argue that Islam is every bit a political movement as it is a religion. Also, Christianity and Judaism exist in almost exclusively free and democratic countries, while Islam exists in exclusively authoritarian countries. That's not a coincidence. Apples and oranges.

Palestine is in the west?

Arabia is more or less south of Palestine, not really east of it.


Islam may be a social reform or resistance against Judaic Kings. That is likely. The mission of Christianity is to eliminate Judaism by ideological subversion. Islam may have in mind proselytizing "pagan tribes" rather than Jews.

Monarchist parties in Germany tend to use the title Christian. All three of these religions are open to converts. I don't sense the accuracy of the labels.

You're right, Islam isn't taking over China or India. It's taking over the west first by design. Globalists will naturally begin by destroying countries that value their freedom and personal liberties; countries that have willfully forfeited their personal liberties have already done all their work for them.

Islam already took over India. I consider myself as involved with re-construction from devastation inflicted in the 1,200s. Curiously, the aggressor was not referred to by religion but as Turks. But, yes, it was Islamic Caliphate for a few centuries. Apparently you can get over that. Now we have British-drawn lines to ratchet the tension.

Atm Islam is infecting the west thru ideological subversion, not jihadi attacks. But just wait. When the time is ripe, that'll come too.

After doing whatever one wishes with places like Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you expect?


It's a known risk for Netanyahu to produce the most hated regime in the world because the Diaspora is vulnerable even in the irrational sense, if it is lone gunmen targeting Jews just by association. He knows this. He takes the risk. I'm not aware of that many "pogrom" style attacks in recent years until the past two, which, already happened one time in Australia and Iran was blamed with no evidence and the story disappeared.

This last one happened and I posted something intended to prevent spin one way or the other, and then I see over here this wall of polarity.


Here's the receiving end in Lebanon:

Narratives, Incidents, and the Expansion of Justification

Military pressure is reinforced by narrative pressure. Incidents far from the region, such as the attack in Sydney, are rapidly absorbed into a global discourse that conflates resistance, regional actors, and acts of violence under the banner of extremism and antisemitism.

This framing serves a strategic purpose. It widens the space for preemptive action and dulls sensitivity to violations of sovereignty. When Lebanon or Syria is framed as part of a global threat continuum, escalation becomes easier to justify, and resistance becomes harder to defend politically.

The result is a steady erosion of legitimacy-not through direct confrontation, but through narrative conditioning.

Some Lebanese person is far more likely to pay the price of these mere ideas and this has already been happening for a long time. While I think it is unfortunate that a few more civilians have been murdered as some by-product of bad ideas, that sympathy does not take the form of divisiveness. When an incident happens, I try to wait for the dust to settle to try to find what objectively happened, none of which has been posted. There seems to be a mission based from a statement about Muslim perpetrators.

Western countries have a lot of mostly self-created problems.

As a person who doesn't perceive an Islamic threat, or, much of any threat except the "creation" that goes on by our system, I'm trying to see why this labeling thing would work. These are complex issues that involve all sorts of funded organizations and individuals acting under their own devices. We have a reflection of what certain authorities once called:


The Jewish Problem


I don't think we're supposed to label a "type of person" as a thing to be "othered".

You can do it to a type of mentality, such as Zionism, which is optional or a decision, and similarly a "Caliphate" by some armed gang is opposable. It's a radical statement to bring in something like, oppose or contain Muslim people, and since I do not have this conclusion, it's an opportunity to explain it better. How do you get the swing vote, so to speak.

Judaism and Christianity became part of the west at an early time, in the Roman empire. The west begins in Greece, and at roughly the same time Judaism is flourishing. And then Judaism enters the Roman Empire via Christianity. That's my understanding.

I'm talking about western culture btw. Not points on a map.

It's very easy to become a Muslim. Jews will often actively discourage you of trying to join their ranks. The numbers reflect this reality i.e. 2 billion Muslims vs 15 million Jews worldwide.

I can't fathom how anyone could look at the world atm and not see the Muslim threat, especially when it's right in our faces. There is an ideological war for the soul of the world; it couldn't possibly be more clear.

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.

Islam is separated into house of war and house of Islam. In Islam the entire world is broken up into one or the other. Any land that Islam conquers and loses is forever more canonically under the house if Islam. Any land that hasn't been conquered is in the house of war, which means they will endeavor to conquer it. No matter how you cut it, if you're not a Muslim, you are an enemy of Islam.

In the middle east, with the exception of the Jews every single society that has existed before Islam has been eradicated. In Egypt the Coptic Christians were once the majority, and now it's something like less than 10%. Syria and Lebanon were also Christian countries. Not anymore. Ditto Persia. Ditto Iraq. Something like 50 plus countries have become Islamized thru brute force.

No culture has conquered or colonized or caused as much violence and death as Islam. Not even close. But we choose to ignore this 1400 history of rape and murder in favor of the latest news cycle, or the latest Zionist conspiracy. We are thinking like insects.

Islam cannot coexist peacefully at scale with western culture. This is self evident. So here's a very simple thought experiment: would you prefer the world to be ruled by Islam or the west? Personal liberties or Sharia Law? This is a no brainer (I hope). This is the decision we're all collectively making all across the world in every moment with every word and deed.

If by Zionism everyone means globalists, then yes this is a major problem, and we're actually not at cross purposes at all because the globalists are orchestrating all this Muslim chaos. If this is what everyone is referring to, then we're on the same team. But it's not obvious to me at all that most people even know what or who they're talking about when they use the word Zionism. Jess called a couple innocent Australians celebrating Hannukah "Zionists" and coldly disregarded their deaths as meaningless as a result. This is the type of brain rot that this sort talk results in most of the time.

[Jaak]

Posted by Mike (here)

It's not the Jews who are immigrating to Europe in record numbers and breeding the native populations out of existence. It's not the Jews immigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the UK, disrupting and distorting the economy and culture. It's not the Jews who gang raped several hundred thousand white Brit girls over the last 30 years. It's not the Jews committing 48,000 terror attacks in 70 countries since 2011. It's not the Jews slaughtering 50,000-100,000 Christians in Nigeria. It's not the Jews who're against basic personal freedoms and liberties. And you know I could go on and on.

All these things happened thanks to jews who have been causing mass migration to the west .

[AutumnW]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
There is something uniquely problematic with the muslims; they have developed a pattern of terrorism unparalleled in modern times. Groups claiming to represent Islamic values have been responsible for the most terrorist attacks in the past 40 years, not only in the Middle East but globally. There is no denying that Islamic religious extremism has become the dominant form of terrorism worldwide. Couple that fact with poorly thought-out muslim immigration in both Europe and the USA, and you end up with fatal consequences.

To make matters worse, Muslims are generally the least likely to assimilate into the host country. They actively attempt to influence and radically change the cultural and social values of their new countries. There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada. If immigrants are unwilling to abide by the laws of the host country, they should not be accepted as immigrants in the first place.

Many people do not recognize the issues related to Muslim terrorism and immigration as the greatest challenge facing the West. Some mistakenly believe that Israel is the primary problem. They feel they can overlook concerns about Muslims, believing they are fighting the same enemy. This misconception causes them to ignore the larger Muslim terrorism and immigration issues. Even if Israel were to be dissolved as a country, the problems caused by Muslim terrorism and immigration would not disappear; in fact, it would become even more severe.

To understand the problem, people in the West need to overcome their fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic by simply speaking the truth. By the time people get over their unfounded fears and anxieties, they will find out that their countries have changed to the point that they no longer represent the same strong family, religious or cultural values that they so loved in the first place.

There have been cases where they have successfully introduced aspects of Sharia law in countries like the UK and Canada.

Like Hell they have. Everyone is expected to follow Canadian law, in Canada. It was never even a remote threat that Sharia law would be adopted here. It's statements like this, used as clickbait on social media, most likely, that have me doubting so much you state as fact. Be more skeptical, will ya?

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
All extremists within Abrahamic religions are nuts and most use their extremism to grab power. They're psychopaths, often enough.

All of them focus on the evil of other religions and cultures, ignorant of or unbothered by their own brands of evil.

Unifying church and state isn't a good idea in Arab countries and a terrible idea for the US.

Some think heavy handed Christianity is a good antidote to "woke culture" But it would be much better to replace woke, if it's not appreciated, with something better, not equally or more problematic.

As far as treatment of women, Muslims need to *vastly* improve, as well as those, like the Jewish rabbi who owns PornHub, (who takes advantage of desperate women to churn out violent porn)

If it was up to me, I'd trash most holy books and force evangelical Christians to actually follow the lessons of Christ, pray in the privacy of their own homes, and stfu about Jesus, everywhere else. That goes equally for Muslims and Jews.

I'm f'g sick of it.

Mike, you professed no sympathy or empathy for thousands upon thousands of innocent Gazan Muslims, killed by Israel yet get on Shaberon's case for not expressing sympathy for 15 (Zionist) Jews killed on a beach.

Interesting to me that one of your concerns is how the men treat women in Muslim culture, yet you were okay with Israel murdering thousands of them.

Jess I have plenty of sympathy for anyone killed anywhere, including Gazans.

What I don't care about and refuse to emotionally invest in is the conflict itself, which is for one tiny slice of land in the middle of nowhere, and which has been in dispute for ages and hasn't shown any signs of resolving itself.

I was also highlighting (in the post you're referring to) the hypocrisy of everyone obsessing over this one conflict while ignoring most of the other tragedy going on in the world, all while congratulating themselves on their virtue and wagging a finger at anyone else who refused to join this little charade, which is what Dennis was doing. I found and still find all the alleged "compassion" for Gazans to be quite suspect.

I was led to believe the interest in Gaza was sincere and heartfelt, not politically motivated, not the result of an obsessive news cycle, and not the result of a parasetized populace conditioned to value virtue signaling above all else. We're just good caring people, right? Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why??

The entire point of the post you're referring to (in Dennis' thread) is not to withhold sympathy and compassion, but to offer it to the people closest to you first and foremost, and then your immediate community, then your country, and if there's anything left perhaps then you could extend it further. I was making the point that emotion and energy are the same thing, and you have to use it judiciously.

I'm of the opinion that people often deliberately obsess over global conflicts they can do nothing about rather than the things they can do something about because the things they can do something about would actually require them to act in the real world. Writing endless maudlin posts about Gaza is a far more romantic and public display of virtue, and why physically work for those pats on the head when you can just write a social media post or two and be applauded by hundreds or thousands of anonymous twitter handles?

Your comment about the murdered Jews in Australia is demented. I knew Shaberon was cracked, but I didn't think you'd go that low.

You are in a state of profound denial about the Muslim problem. I don't even know where to begin to respond to the rest of your post.

Well I've started a thread recently about the Muslim slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, and I've yet to see you or anyone else express all that sincere heartfelt compassion for anyone there. Nor the white farmers in South Africa getting systematically killed. Why?? ~ Mike

Because it isn't a Muslim against Christian slaughter. It's a tribal war. And no, white farmers aren't being systematically killed in S. Africa. Some have been killed and that's really f'g awful. South Africa is a terrible place to be white, black, brown or yellow, at this point.

Here's the thing though, Nigerian Muslims and S.African blacks aren't receiving vast numbers of bombs and other armaments from the US to kill whites and Christians. When that happens people will start marching in the US and globally.

You keep framing the protests against Gaza genocide as hypocritical. And each time, you ignore the salient fact that protesters are freaked out because of all the horrendous death and their being forced to support it through their tax dollars. In Canada too, we have no idea how much in the way of raw materials we export are being used for weapons by the US to ship to Israel.

As that fact undermines your central premise, you MUST mentally blow past it. So, by all means, Mike, keep on ignoring that point, just understand that the fact that you do is transparent to most.

I knew Shabaron was cracked but I didn't think you'd go that low.
~Mike

I could go much "lower" and be considered only mildly critical, by most, considering the seriousness of the problem.