The Fabian Society + Eugenics

[Merlinus]

How socialism and eugenics were jointly started by the UK elite - the Fabian Society, the Royal Society, the X Club, and more

https://steemit.com/life/@newsandvie...-club-and-more

The Fabian Society was founded by a bunch of these elitist pigs in 1884 in London. Some of the elitist pigs involved included George Bernard Shaw, Sidney and Beatrice Webb, Annie Besant, Margaret Sanger, H. G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, and even George Orwell (Eric Blair). George Orwell appears to have had a falling out with the Fabians when he exposed their real intentions in his books 1984 and Animal Farm (with 1984 indicating a 100 year vision from the founding of the Fabian Society in 1884.)

The symbolism of the Fabian society is extremely telling. It is a picture of a wolf in sheep's clothing to make clear their incredibly subversive approach. The society was named after the Roman general Fabius whose tactic was an extremely slow breakdown of the opposition until finally the right opportunity exists to strike hard, fast, and destructively. This is also the reason for the use of the turtle as another symbol of the Fabians as seen above.

Multiple links are provided with additional info on the fabians

[Merlinus]

Quotes from some of their members

“I believe that now and always the conscious selection of the best for reproduction will be impossible; that to propose it is to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what individuality implies. The way of nature has always been to slay the hindmost, and there is still no other way, unless we can prevent those who would become the hindmost being born. It is in the sterilization of failure, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies.”

-H.G. Wells in American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 10 (1904), p. 11

“We may perhaps assume that, if people grow less superstitious, government will acquire the right to sterilize those who are not considered desirable as parents. This power will be used, at first, to diminish imbecility, a most desirable object. But probably, in time, opposition to the government will be taken to prove imbecility, so that rebels of all kinds will be sterilized. Epileptics, consumptives, dipsomaniacs and so on will gradually be included; in the end, there will be a tendency to include all who fail to pass the usual school examinations. The result will be to increase the average intelligence; in the long run, it may be greatly increased. But probably the effect upon really exceptional intelligence will be bad.

Eugenics has, of course, more ambitious possibilities in a more distant future. It may aim not only at eliminating undesired types, but at increasing desired types. Moral standards may alter so as to make it possible for one man to be the sire of a vast progeny by many different mothers. … If eugenics reached the point where it could increase desired types, it would not be the types desired by present-day Eugenists that would be increased, but rather the type desired by the average official. Prime Ministers, Bishops, and others whom the State considers desirable might become the fathers of half the next generation…

If we knew enough about heredity to determine, within limits, what sort of population we would have, the matter would of course be in the hands of State officials, presumably elderly medical men. Whether they would really be preferable to Nature I do not feel sure. I suspect that they would breed a subservient population, convenient to rulers but incapable of initiative.”

–Bertrand Russell, “ICARUS or the Future of Science” (1924)

Political unification in some sort of world government will be required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

-Sir Julian Huxley, UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. 1946

[Foxie Loxie]

So glad you joined, Merlinus!!!

[Satori]

G. Edward Griffin and many others have written and spoken of the Fabianist and other esoteric organizations bent upon "forging the world nearer to the hearts desire" for decades. This is not the least bit new. But it's good that more and more people are becoming aware of things such as this.

[Cardillac]

"Sir Julian Huxley, UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. 1946"

if my read sources are correct Julian Huxley was the brother of Aldous Huxley, author of "Brave New World" and mentor/teacher of Eric Blair (alias George Orwell)-

wife of Julian Huxley was Margaret Sanger, the founder of the very dubious organization known as "Planned Parenthood"; Sanger was THE high-priestess of eugenics (the 1st sterilizations of "undesireables" began in the early 20th century (not in N**i Germany but in the US) and stated "black people are like weeds and need to be rooted out"- nice lady, right?-

a great fan of Margaret Sanger has been...

Hilary Clinton who has admired Sanger's "tenacity"-

nice lady, right?

be well all-

Larry

[grapevine]

“Started Doing Some Digging” | Alex Phillips ‘INVESTIGATES’ The Fabian Society

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o6TKF94tEaI

(22:25)

"Alex Phillips is joined by political strategist Joseph Robertson and barrister Steven Barrett, to discuss that many senior Labour figures, past and present, have been Fabians, who have proudly carried the tortoise badge of incremental socialism. Founded in 1884, the Fabian Society has presented itself as a harmless “think tank,” but critics suggest it’s been one of the most influential drivers of socialist ideology in Britain. Alex says: “Loads of people are connected to this - and they have pretty radical ideas.”

I know there are loads of videos on the forum but please mark this as one to watch; you won't regret it . . .


Link to wiki membership list (might not be up to date)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...Fabian_Society

[shaberon]

This is a worthwhile necro.

I would hold it out that the first few years, not more than maybe five, actually were a "friendly neighborhood think tank" consisting of "Socialists" which was a rather new and hence loose idea.

Then you look at how certain members migrated it to become the backbone of the London School of Economics. At that point you truly get your Howling Wolf.

Huxley for instance was in the Condor Legion of Spain, which was totally a trial run of genocide performed by the new German bombers.

The Fabians initially didn't really have "sponsors", and so it was more or less co-opted and diverted from its humble beginnings until it goes to the high office as sort of a "different voice" of Fascism. Aside from political offices, do not underestimate its strength in the LSE.

Eugenics means "good breeding" and in classical times was exactly that.

This make-believe kind from around 1900 is the "advanced consensus" of the important doctors around London and America's Ivy League.

One of the things they did was revive the obsolete words "idiot" and "moron" to apply them to "Mediterranean" people, Italians and Greeks. Suddenly the doctors just called you all lazy and stupid. What had been happening is that there was huge Italian immigration to America in the 1800s, because they were given a free ticket compared to other countries, because of the Pope. America was releasing subjects from whatever morass papal power had been causing. Italian unification is complex. Suddenly around 1900 they're spontaneously blocked, while the international Fascist machine as we know it is started by Rockefeller and Standard Oil partnering with Fiat and Italian National Oil.

The aspect of "Eugenics" known as mandatory sterilization was avidly pursued by Sweden. At least in terms of belief, this place or at least its government was surprisingly as harsh as Germany.

I wouldn't blame Annie Besant or George Orwell for that stuff. If you trace other members like the Webbs and Mr. Russell, it's like a vortex of social engineering, with, eh, unfortunate consequences basically built into it.

[Tintin]

An interesting short piece here via Michael O'Fallon. I haven't really properly dug into the Fabians, so although not an entirely new subject it's an area of research I'm interested in exploring further nonetheless:

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Michael O'Fallon

I hope you will find this helpful:

HG Wells was a member of the Fabian Society for several years but then left in a bit of a huff over a number of disagreements with key members. This is why George Bernard Shaw depicted Wells as a fool in his design of the Fabian Window (which I have taken @ConceptualJames to see in person at the London School of Economics (
@glennbeck as well but the two women attending the library would not allow Glenn to enter)).

-In 1918, William Bullitt used the term "new world order" in his correspondence with Woodrow Wilson (Library of Congress) but Wilson claims to have been the first to use the term "New Order of the World".

-In 1919, Progressive Baptist Minister Samuel Zane Batten published "The New World Order" in which he proposed world socialism under the social/progressive "gospel." Batten was also a member of the Brotherhood of the Kingdom with fellow social gospel advocate Walter Rauschenbusch - who was heavily influenced by the Fabians. You will find many of the concepts of the WEF's "The Role of Religion" were sourced from Batten and Rauschenbusch (along with Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Jacques Maritain, and Dom Helder Camara)

-In 1940 HG Wells publishes "The New World Order" which incorporates some of his concepts from his 1938 book "The World Brain" and writes of the need of international, scientifically planned, socialist world government (technocracy).

All this being said, the term has floated around Freemason and Rosicrucian (and later) Theosophic circles for centuries.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
An interesting short piece here via Michael O'Fallon. I haven't really properly dug into the Fabians, so although not an entirely new subject it's an area of research I'm interested in exploring further nonetheless:
[ ... ]

In 1940 HG Wells publishes "The New World Order" which incorporates some of his concepts from his 1938 book "The World Brain" and writes of the need of international, scientifically planned, socialist world government (technocracy).

All this being said, the term has floated around Freemason and Rosicrucian (and later) Theosophic circles for centuries.

Here it is, now in the Avalon Library:

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/H_%...ld%20Order.pdf

[Bruce G Charlton]

It may be somewhat misleading to focus on the Fabians wrt eugenics; because it was very much the norm among the intellectual elite of England across the board - with the exception of the Roman Catholics such as Chesterton and Belloc.

And when eugenics was rejected in the mid-1960s, it was part of a dishonest denial of the significance and heredity of biological traits such as intelligence and personality - which continues.

This seems to have been related to the Old Left to New Left transformation (beginning in the USA and then worldwide) - from the class and economics focus of Old Leftism, to the present grievance-based New Leftsm - which began with antiracism, moved to feminism, then "Gay Lib", and the transagenda.

Now the global totalitarian policies are based on outright denial and suppression of obvious biological reality.

[grapevine]

One of the panel in the video I posted previously, Joseph Robertson, has written a great post on Substack, which is partially copied below:.

The Fabian Shadow: How a 140-Year-Old Socialist Conspiracy Captured Britain (And How We Take It Back)
By Joseph Robertson on Substack

https://jrtypes.substack.com/p/the-f...how-a-140-year
Imagine an enemy that does not declare war. An enemy that does not storm the gates but is invited into the halls of power. An enemy that wears the face of a friend, speaks the language of progress, and offers the promise of security, all while methodically placing the shackles of tyranny upon a nation. This is not the plot of a political thriller. This is the story of modern Britain.

For 140 years, a secretive and profoundly subversive organization has been patiently executing a plan to transform a free nation into a socialist state. It has operated not through revolution, but through infiltration; not with bombs, but with pamphlets; not by seizing power, but by poisoning the wells of culture, education, and government from within. This organization is the Fabian Society, and its long march through the institutions is now complete. The government of the United Kingdom is led by its members, the bureaucracy is its army, and the collectivist state it envisioned is no longer a distant threat, but a present and suffocating reality.

This is the story of how they won. More importantly, this is the blueprint for how we win back our country.

The Wolf’s Disguise

To understand the scale of the deception, one must begin with the society’s own confession. Founded in 1884 by a coterie of London intellectuals including George Bernard Shaw and Sidney and Beatrice Webb, the Fabian Society rejected the overt violence of Marxism for a more insidious strategy. They named themselves after the Roman general Fabius Maximus, the "Delayer," who defeated Hannibal not in pitched battles, but through a slow, grinding war of attrition. Their first pamphlet declared their intent: "For the right moment you must wait, as Fabius did… but when the time comes you must strike hard."

This was a strategy of conquest, and its primary tactic was "permeation"—a deliberate plan to infuse every key institution with socialist ideas. They targeted the universities, the press, the civil service, and all political parties, seeking to change the system from within. It was, in effect, a form of intellectual guerrilla warfare designed to be so gradual as to be imperceptible.

The most damning proof of their intent was their original coat of arms: a wolf in sheep's clothing. This was not a metaphor; it was a brazen admission of their method. The wolf was their rapacious socialist ambition; the sheepskin was the disguise of "gentle reform" used to lull the public into a false sense of security. The society later adopted the image of a tortoise, retaining the symbolism of their slow march while shedding the explicit confession of their predatory nature.

The founders’ ultimate vision was not benign. George Bernard Shaw, the celebrated playwright, was a radical eugenicist who openly admired the dictators of Europe. He praised Mussolini as "the right kind of tyrant" and, after meeting Stalin, declared of the Soviet regime, "I have seen all the 'terrors' and I was terribly pleased by them". His ideology reached its horrifying conclusion when he wrote that "we must exterminate the sort of people who do not fit in" to a planned civilization.

The Webbs, the master strategists of the movement, followed the same trajectory. After decades of shaping the British left, their disillusionment with democracy led them to embrace the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union. Their 1935 book, Soviet Communism: A New Civilisation?, was a wholesale endorsement of the Stalinist state, revealing the iron fist that had always been waiting inside the velvet glove of Fabianism.

The Conquest of a Nation

The Fabian strategy was ruthlessly effective. While their opponents looked for a frontal assault that never came, the Fabians quietly seized control of the commanding heights of British society.

Their first great victory was the creation of the Labour Party. The party was not a grassroots movement the Fabians merely influenced; it was an entity they were instrumental in creating to serve as the political vehicle for their agenda. The proof is written in Labour’s DNA. Sidney Webb authored the party's original 1918 constitution, including the infamous Clause IV, which committed the party to the "common ownership of the means of production"—the core tenet of socialism.

Their second victory was the creation of an intellectual engine to legitimize their ideology. The London School of Economics (LSE) was founded in 1895 with a bequest left to the Fabian Society for the explicit purpose of "propaganda and other purposes of the said Society and its Socialism." The LSE was designed to launder radical political goals through the wash of academic rigor, transforming partisan objectives into "expert" social science. It became the primary training ground for the administrative class—the civil servants, economists, and planners—who would build and manage the future socialist state.

With their political and intellectual arms in place, the Fabians began to implement their blueprint. The pillars of the modern British welfare state are the direct outcomes of their long-term planning. The National Health Service, the national minimum wage, and the abolition of hereditary peerages were all core components of their vision, lobbied for decades before they became reality. Most critically, they seized control of the education system. The 1902 Education Act, which nationalized education in England, was based directly on a model outlined by Sidney Webb in a Fabian tract.

Each new program, from healthcare to education, massively expanded the size and scope of the state, creating vast new bureaucracies and fostering a culture of dependency. The welfare state was not a safety net; it was the scaffolding for a new, collectivist social order.

. . . / entire article: https://jrtypes.substack.com/p/the-fabian-shadow-how-a-140-year"]https://jrtypes.substack.com/p/the-f...how-a-140-year[/URL]

[shaberon]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
It may be somewhat misleading to focus on the Fabians wrt eugenics; because it was very much the norm among the intellectual elite of England across the board - with the exception of the Roman Catholics such as Chesterton and Belloc.

That's true. It's an over-simplification to confine an idea to one "group" when it is a shared idea.

The less-technical term for the rather medical Eugenics might be called:


Racist Supremacy


I vaguely recall a conversation with a British officer involved in the occupation of India. He was questioned along lines that proved, in general, that he "accepted" natives, or was willing to give them a fair chance, all the normal stuff. But then when asked what would happen if his servant made a rude or disobedient gesture:

"I'd kill him."

Why?

"He may be Her Majesty's subject, but he will never be English."


No shortage of dirty thoughts held by whoever.

Robertson's article contains a gem:

The London School of Economics (LSE) was founded in 1895 with a bequest left to the Fabian Society for the explicit purpose of "propaganda and other purposes of the said Society and its Socialism." The LSE was designed to launder radical political goals through the wash of academic rigor, transforming partisan objectives into "expert" social science. It became the primary training ground for the administrative class—the civil servants, economists, and planners—who would build and manage the future socialist state.

Have you all ever met anyone from there?

Yes, there is this ideological gestation until the Wilsonian era when the Fabians manifest as an arm of vested interests, considerably above and beyond an 1880s tea club.

The name taken by themselves for themselves is Capitalism. This is just a description from a newspaper editorial; it isn't anything. Obviously this "goal was laundered" and made into something. Unless you are sitting on an inherited pile of loot, you are not a capitalist. Capital hates Labor. Therefor it is in their best interest to pretend they love Labor.

Economics is the School of Genocide. It is the art of moving violence down the street so you don't see it. Instead of an "English Civil War", you find causes in Ukraine or Vietnam or somewhere and apply the solution. Then you can rest feeling supreme over these "primitives".


I tend to agree with the basic premise, public infrastructure is a public affair, but I would not say these movements have found a particularly good solution.

[Mari]

Very interesting short piece (5.39mins) from Gareth Icke featuring a clip of George Bernard Shaw, one of the founders (chairman?) of the Fabian society, mouthing off about how certain parts of the population should be killed off, that 'large' portions of society (ie: us) 'need to justify their existence') and if 'your' (ie: us) life doesn't benefit us (the elite) then your life 'is of not much use' ...among other tasty little revelations.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VepU9A1BbX4

[mountain_jim]

Concerning Eugenics, there is some (circumstantial?) evidence that the Georgia Guidestones had a Eugenics-influenced creation

(And I watched this video a few years ago - posted about it in the Guidestones thread, where there was debate about whether blowing it up was a good thing or not, and whether the video was fairly presented.)

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024...cec-cnnphotos/

Did the producers of “Dark Clouds Over Elberton” unmask the man behind the Georgia Guidestones? Producer J. Michael Bennett told me he was not aware of any serious challenge to the film’s accuracy. Herbert Kersten died in 2005, and it wasn’t certain that he agreed with Shockley on race and eugenics or whether he changed any of his views later in life. I reached out to Kersten’s children, hoping for insight, but managed to speak with only one: former Iowa State Senator James Kersten. In a brief phone conversation, I asked Kersten about his father’s possible connection to the Georgia Guidestones.

In interviews with me, Elberton’s leaders were not eager to grapple with what the filmmakers found. They did not know Herbert Kersten.

Mayor Daniel Graves first said he’d never watched “Dark Clouds Over Elberton,” and then said he’d seen part of it, and then dismissed it as some “hogwash thing.” Finally, he said the views of such people as Shockley and Duke “have absolutely no place in our community.”

Lee Vaughn, chairman of the Elbert County Commission, said he had watched the film.

“I think it’s just sensationalism,” he said, but didn’t elaborate.

When I asked if the filmmakers found the truth, he said, “Maybe.”

Wayne Mullenix was interviewed for the film, and said he had watched it. When I asked if he thought its conclusions were accurate, he said, “I don’t know. And it didn’t bother me one way or the other.”

It was obviously unpleasant to imagine that the Granite Capital’s most famous granite monument was commissioned by someone who bragged about his friend the eugenicist and wrote favorably about a Klansman and neo-Nazi. As I finished writing this story, I called Lee Vaughn again and put the question to him explicitly: If these allegations are true, does it change how you feel about the Georgia Guidestones?

“I certainly hope that’s not true,” he said. “But if it is, then I’m glad they’re gone.”

[grapevine]

Having picked up on the Fabian Society only recently and now hearing the name every day, I wondered whether it operated in different countries, so I asked chatgpt:

Are there Fabian Societies/equivalents in other countries?
Yes. Here's a comprehensive list of think tanks and organizations globally that are modeled on or inspired by the Fabian Society's principles of gradualist socialism, social democracy, and progressive reform. These entities often serve as intellectual hubs for policy development, research, and advocacy, typically affiliated with or aligned to center-left political parties.

🌍 Global Fabian-Inspired Think Tanks

🇬🇧 United Kingdom
Fabian Society – The original Fabian think tank, founded in 1884, is affiliated with the Labour Party and focuses on gradual socialist reform.
Compass – A progressive think tank promoting democratic socialism and social justice.
Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) – A leading UK think tank that develops progressive policies across various sectors.
Demos – A cross-party think tank focusing on public policy and social issues.
Centre for Labour and Social Studies (CLASS) – A think tank advocating for social justice and economic equality.

🇦🇺 Australia
Australian Fabian Society – Established in 1947, it is closely affiliated with the Australian Labor Party (ALP), promoting social democratic policies.
Per Capita – An independent think tank focusing on social justice and progressive policy solutions.
The Australia Institute – A progressive think tank conducting research on various public policy issues.

🇳🇿 New Zealand
New Zealand Fabian Society – Founded in the mid-20th century, it has historical ties to the New Zealand Labour Party, promoting gradual social reforms.
The New Zealand Council of Trade Unions (NZCTU) – While not a think tank per se, it conducts research and advocacy on labor and social issues.

🇨🇦 Canada
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) – An independent, non-partisan think tank that promotes progressive policies and social justice.
Broadbent Institute – A think tank named after former NDP leader Ed Broadbent, focusing on progressive policy research.
Douglas Coldwell Layton Foundation – A foundation supporting progressive policy research and education.

🇺🇸 United States
People's Policy Project – A think tank advocating for socialist and social-democratic economic ideas, founded by Matt Bruenig.
Third Way – A centrist think tank developing policies representing modern center-left ideas, often associated with moderate Democrats.
Center for American Progress (CAP) – A think tank focusing on progressive policy solutions across various sectors.

🇫🇷 France
Terra Nova – An independent think tank considered close to the French Socialist Party, producing reports and analyses on political issues.
Fondation Jean-Jaurès – A think tank affiliated with the French Socialist Party, promoting social democracy and progressive policies.

🇩🇪 Germany
Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung (FES) – A think tank affiliated with the Social Democratic Party of Germany, focusing on social democracy and progressive policies.
Hans Böckler Foundation – A foundation supporting research and policy development in labor and social issues.

🇪🇸 Spain
Fundación Alternativas – A think tank promoting progressive policies and social democracy in Spain.
Fundación Pablo Iglesias – A think tank affiliated with the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, focusing on social democracy and progressive reforms.

🇮🇹 Italy
Fondazione Italianieuropei – A think tank promoting European integration and progressive policies in Italy.
Centro Studi Internazionali – A think tank focusing on international relations and progressive policies.

🇧🇪 Belgium
Foundation for European Progressive Studies (FEPS) – A European think tank promoting progressive policies and social democracy across Europe.

🇸🇪 Sweden
Arena Idé – A think tank focusing on progressive policies and social democracy in Sweden.
Katalys – A think tank affiliated with the Swedish Social Democratic Party, promoting social democracy and progressive reforms.

🇳🇱 Netherlands
Wiardi Beckman Foundation – A think tank affiliated with the Dutch Labour Party, focusing on social democracy and progressive policies.

🇳🇴 Norway
Fridtjof Nansen Institute – A think tank focusing on international relations and progressive policies in Norway.

🇩🇰 Denmark
Think Tank Europa – A think tank focusing on European integration and progressive policies in Denmark.

🇫🇮 Finland
Sitra – The Finnish Innovation Fund, focusing on sustainable development and progressive policies.

🇸🇰 Slovakia
Institute for Public Affairs (IVO) – A think tank focusing on public policy and social issues in Slovakia.

🇭🇺 Hungary
Political Capital Institute – A think tank focusing on political analysis and progressive policies in Hungary.

🇵🇱 Poland
Institute of Public Affairs (ISP) – A think tank focusing on public policy and social issues in Poland.

🔍 Summary
These organizations share a commitment to gradual social reform, evidence-based policy, and inclusive democracy, often through think tank activities, research publications, and policy advocacy. While they may not always be formally affiliated with political parties, many are aligned with or support center-left or social democratic movements in their respective countries.

Given the chaos today in the countries mentioned above, it's clear to see the Fabian tendrills wrapped around policies, choking everyone's opportunities and ambitions. Why are they so set on making life miserable when they could just as easily lift everyone up and inspire a better future for all?

[jaybee]

Posted by grapevine (here)

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🔍 Summary
These organizations share a commitment to gradual social reform, evidence-based policy, and inclusive democracy, often through think tank activities, research publications, and policy advocacy. While they may not always be formally affiliated with political parties, many are aligned with or support center-left or social democratic movements in their respective countries.

Given the chaos today in the countries mentioned above, it's clear to see the Fabian tendrills wrapped around policies, choking everyone's opportunities and ambitions. Why are they so set on making life miserable when they could just as easily lift everyone up and inspire a better future for all?

re the bolded paragraph above...... very good question.....

perhaps something happens spiritually (ie an easier entrance for demonic energy..?)....when 'they' (ie the Fabians) cease to care about unhappiness and suffering of the individual when it comes to advancing policies etc for the proposed 'greater good' for societies as a whole...like it all goes pear shaped and good turns to bad and the saying - - ' the road to hell is paved with good intentions...' comes to mind.....

take Tony Blair for example..... the death, destruction, suffering and unhappiness that he helped bring about re. Iraq...... well that has to 'count' and it kind of removes his ability to make 'things' better... the demonic forces became nourished by his words and actions....whether he likes it or not....he will never recover from that....

I won't go on any more for now....just trying to address the question you posed....

In a nutshell....the ends don't justify the means.... ever....

cheers

[Mari]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by grapevine (here)

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🔍 Summary
These organizations share a commitment to gradual social reform, evidence-based policy, and inclusive democracy, often through think tank activities, research publications, and policy advocacy. While they may not always be formally affiliated with political parties, many are aligned with or support center-left or social democratic movements in their respective countries.

Given the chaos today in the countries mentioned above, it's clear to see the Fabian tendrills wrapped around policies, choking everyone's opportunities and ambitions. Why are they so set on making life miserable when they could just as easily lift everyone up and inspire a better future for all?

re the bolded paragraph above...... very good question.....

perhaps something happens spiritually (ie an easier entrance for demonic energy..?)....when 'they' (ie the Fabians) cease to care about unhappiness and suffering of the individual when it comes to advancing policies etc for the proposed 'greater good' for societies as a whole...like it all goes pear shaped and good turns to bad and the saying - - ' the road to hell is paved with good intentions...' comes to mind.....

take Tony Blair for example..... the death, destruction, suffering and unhappiness that he helped bring about re. Iraq...... well that has to 'count' and it kind of removes his ability to make 'things' better... the demonic forces became nourished by his words and actions....whether he likes it or not....he will never recover from that....

I won't go on any more for now....just trying to address the question you posed....

In a nutshell....the ends don't justify the means.... ever....

cheers

Before reading your reply Jaybee, I had the thought, too, that it was demonic energy that is able to step in when a person trades his Humanity for an ideal. Wetilko, some are calling this.
It explains so much.

[shaberon]

Posted by grapevine (here)
Why are they so set on making life miserable when they could just as easily lift everyone up and inspire a better future for all?

Given the upbeat nature of the 1920s, they went into the business of selling ideas.

Who was the main competition? Well, that would have been the Fascists! Look at the British Union of Fascists, and what do you get, the Illuminati scare from the likes of Lady Queenborough.


The Fabian way is similar with a different spiel, forming a specter of Soft Kill Communism.

In the nuts and bolts terms of military doctrine, the U. S. and UK have been under Soft Kill for generations.

Human lives are merely statistics.

I tend to think what is "running" is a big machine that just crunches numbers, and it doesn't have any mercy on its own operators either. This is a coy way of talking about the Bank of England from 1694. And you will notice in that fake literature it is called a Rothschild enterprise, which is completely false because, for example, some of the opening investors were William and Mary of Orange at ten thousand Pounds each.

There's no question about the monolith and its grip on a government which has persistently supported Zionist policies.


Although they had benefactors, Fabians were more or less nobodies. Comparatively, for example, the Jesuits were given the keys to the greatest kingdom at the time overnight. Similar to their motto and symbol, I would suggest most of the Fabian success results from being better at propaganda, talking their way into it.


Here is a moderately heavy piece of what would now be classical music about it from England's Skyclad.


Master Race (New Model Army cover)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AClnB7xRnzg

Well we all learned how to use a fork and knife
How sometimes we have to wear a suit and tie
And understand these things are what give us this right
To go around the world acting superior

We live with missiles and the armaments cache
With rewritten histories and a fictional past
And though some of us still have questions to ask
The ship she sails without a captain

Goddam the master race
that we're born in
Goddam the howling wolf
that we're serving

I've had it up to here...

The opposition, we ain't doing so well
Our understanding is weak and our knowledge is small
And though kids scrawl frustration on the back street wall
Most of them can't even spell basatard

Goddam the master race
that we're born in
Goddam the howling wolf
that we're serving

Sometimes all I know is that cold wind blows
Down the valley from the mountain snows
On these muggy nights I lie awake
waiting for the thunder and the skies to break
But they are god and they are strong
And the can name the right and the wrong
And they reclaim the things they own
They call us now...

So can you please forgive these things that I've done
When the master race calls I know sometime that I run
And you mean more to me now than you ever did before
As I try to stay away from their clutches

Goddam the master race
that we're born in
Goddam the howling wolf
that we're serving

[grapevine]

Every One of Us is Affected by This...The Fabian Society

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J81dd9imJ1M

(6:48)

According to June Slater "We're all affected by The Fabian Society it's Patient Extremism and more dangerous than revolution."

I'm so glad that June, an influential YouTuber, has cottoned on to the ministrations of The Fabian Society and hope word starts spreading to every country in the world with a Fabian Society branch.

Although The Fabian Society is international, its registered headquarters is at

61 Petty France, London SW1H 9EU

which some of you may recall used to be the UK Passport Office, along with parts of the Home Office. The Constituion Society (a cross-party educational foundation focused on constitutional law, democratic accountability, and governance) is on the top floor of the same building. According to chatgpt the same address is also currently used by:

• Ministry of Justice (Wikipedia)
• His Majesty’s Courts & Tribunals Service (Wikipedia)
• Crown Prosecution Service (Wikipedia)
• Government Legal Department (Wikipedia)

The more we know about The Fabian Society the better.

[grapevine]

The Fabian Plot: How Tony Blair and the Elites DESTROYED Britain

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oq3npc3d8ys

I haven't listened to this yet, just the first few minutes, but interesting taken in conjunction with The Duran's video today (entitled "Conflict with all three great powers") about Trump's intention to take Greenland and thus weaken the UK/EU where the majority of members are.

"Are the Fabian Society quietly reshaping Britain from behind the scenes?
In this explosive episode of Heretics, barrister Steven Barrett lays out a chilling, historically grounded case that connects Tony Blair, elite technocrats, and a long march away from trial by jury, democracy, and national sovereignty.

This isn’t “conspiracy theory” — it’s constitutional history, Fabian ideology, and the uncomfortable reality of how “moderation” can become authoritarian control.

We explore:

The Fabian Society’s origins and its obsession with population control
Why Tony Blair may have done more long-term damage to Britain than people realise
How trial by jury is under threat — and why that matters more than voting
The quiet replacement of citizens with state employees
Why “professional experts” always seem to gain power when freedom disappears
The disturbing parallels between modern Britain and the Weimar Republic
How extreme moderation becomes a tyranny of endless compromise
Why today’s political class believes it is morally superior — and therefore unaccountable

Barrett argues that Britain is drifting toward a continental, elite-run system, where citizens are managed rather than represented — and where dissent is increasingly criminalised.

If you’ve ever felt something is off — but been told you’re imagining it — this conversation puts names, ideas, and history to that feeling.

👉 Subscribe to Heretics for long-form conversations that challenge orthodoxy, expose ideological capture, and ask the questions the mainstream won’t.

⏱️ CHAPTERS

00:00 They’re Not a Conspiracy They’re a Fact
03:12 The Elites Who Think There Are Too Many Humans
06:44 Tony Blair Started This
10:02 Why Trial by Jury Is Our Last Real Defence
14:35 From Citizens to State Employees
18:10 The Lie of Professionalism
22:48 Plato Philosopher Kings and Fabian Power
27:30 Extreme Moderation Is Insane
31:55 Weimar Britain
36:40 Making Laws Against Everything
41:18 The Emotional State
46:02 Blair Ego and Immortality
50:40 The Illusion of Safety
55:10 Don’t Judge England by the Present Administration
59:45 What Happens If This Continues"